No new Nvidia GPU this year
AMD was first to launch a 40nm graphics card - it looks set to do the same for 28nm
Things have been very quiet on the next-gen GPU front recenty, as we mentioned in our recent podcast . However, the news, which is sure to disappoint Nvidia fans hoping to ask Father Christmas for some new shiny silicon before the year is out, was confirmed by Ken Brown, a spokesman for Nvidia over on Techspot.
Keplar - the codename for the successor to Nvidia's current GPU architecture, Fermi, and Nvidia's effort at nailing the 28nm manufacturing process, will not be landing on shelves until 2012
Mr Brown stated 'Although we will have early silicon this year, Kepler-based products are actually scheduled to go into production in 2012. We wanted to clarify this so people wouldn’t expect product to be available this year'
Meanwhile, the rumour mill hasn't exactly been hard at work regarding AMD's Southern Islands HD 7000-series GPUs. We reported earlier this year about production beginning this summer, and that the new GPUs will include PCI-E 3 however there's little to go on to confirm a 2011 launch for the red team either.
Are you waiting for the next generation of graphics cards or are you happy with your current hardware? Do you think this will change with release of games such as Battlefield 3? Let us know in the forum.
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Discuss in the forums Replyeven if AMD can push out new generation, it'll not be highest end due to manufacturing limitations. likewise, if AMD does manage high end, expect a very fast refresh cycle for that GPU, and wasted investment.
I want better card's but really the only game that will tax them is going to be Battlefield 3 because all the rest are just simply put Console trash so even now, my current pc will cope with Battlefield 3 with no problem's but nothing out there at the moment even stresses it.
I mean Crysis 2 with the DX11 patch etc at 1920x1080 with maximum detail setting's I am still hitting well over 100fps.
Basically put it doesn't matter whether they release it this year, next year or the year after because 99.99% of games are developed for the consoles and the only thing possibly that could use it better is none gaming software like Badaboom and F@H etc and even just for them it's not that important.
What's powering your system? Sellerfield?!
I'm of course going to assume that with the texture pack as well yes?
Yeah I have the texture pack as well.
I am running a Core I7 2600k @ 4.8ghz and 2x GTX 580's Overclocked aswell to 950mhz for the core, can't remember the mem speed of the card's etc are as I am at work.
But yeah it doesn't struggle with any game out there, but I want the Sandy Bridge E because of video converting etc otherwise I wouldn't bother as it won't make much difference for gaming.
2 Points:
Your moaning because nothing taxes your computer, yet your computer represents 0.00001% of the market since it is pretty much the highest spec you can currently get.. Why do you think game developers don't produce games/spend large amounts of money implementing features that would bring this setup to its knees :)?
Secondly, why are you only gaming at 1080p if you have that setup!? Surely you should invest in a higher resolution monitor if you have that sort of money to spend on hardware :) You might find it taxes it a little more then :)
Hit the nail on the head really. I have Radeon 5870's in Crossfire with an i7 930 setup gaming at 1920 x 1080, and nothing really taxes it either tbh. Although I haven't played Crysis 2 - Can't imagine there'd be a problem.
AMD's performance should not suffer to any noticeable degree by making their next gen GPUs on the first-available process from TSMC. The only real limitation should be the switching speeds of the transistors, which should not affect AMD unless they move to a similar design to NVIDIA's where the shaders are run at twice the clock of the rest of the chip.
Absolutely no basis to it what so ever, I just do.
Thank you, goodbye.
Not really wasted if the refresh is minor, say speed bump, memory clock bump.
They used to call it Windscale :)
Chucklez
hmmm, think I'll settle for a GTX560Ti as a "filler card" then.
Was going for the 570, but the price is just too high for not enough performance gain. (same as the 6970)
I'm definitely looking forward to replace my good ol' 4770 with some new 28nm power efficient mid-range GPU...
Add the fact that the whole gaming business is changed the last couple of years, not to mention the greedy bank managers causing a worldwide crysis that had and still has a great impact on consumers worldwide.
Also add, that we do not have the 'need' for a more powerful graphics card. For example; I can play all current games with my quadcore AMD and GTX460 in full HD with all options high. (for example crysis2 with dx11 and HQ texture patches) and I do not think this will change in the near future.
So it probably is a wise decisions to delay new cards.
I'm pretty optimistic about Tahiti, the high end Southern Island chip. It should be a nice Christmas present. Dunno when the midrange cards will be out.
I know we like games here, but 'crysis' is a game and 'crisis' is a moment in time where an important decision needs to be made :P
Pushing graphical fidelity will only make games more and more expensive to make, and frankly I think most people on this planet would like not to have to upgrade their system once a year just to play games at max settings. Better gameplay, not better graphics is what we should be looking for.
For example if you've skipped Fermi all together I could understand why you'd be disappointed.
My current setup is a 965 Extreme (bloomfield) and 580GTXs in SLi. More then enough power for all the titles scheduled to be released this year (including running in 3D at 1080)
As for the comments above, if you wanted something to push your so-called super computer ..see how your Sandybridge middle of the road e-peen new toy copes with Witcher 2 and uber sampling at a decent resolution. ;)
Lots of factors can cause this difference in the timelines.
1. Most obvious is the timescale. If AMD taped out it's design in February, then 6 months later there's definitely pre-production silicon being tested right now. If Nvidia taped just recently, then yeah, add about 9 months from now to get full production started on this new process.
2. Design: If AMD's design is more manufacturable than Nvidia's, like how Nvidia's shaders need twice as fast a clock as AMD, then sure, AMD silicon can be brought up faster.
3. Politics: Neither AMD nor NVidia own TSMC. Is it so unreasonable that AMD has scratched TSMC's back the right way, and they're getting priority to bring up 28nm?
I doubt TSMC is the problem, especially with #1 there. AMD got there first, TSMC won't want to spin much NVidia silicon if they're making good process debug with Southern Islands.
EDIT: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphics/display/20110726103803_AMD_Expects_to_Be_First_GPU_Designer_with_28nm_Graphics_Chips.html If you doubt AMD has Southern Island silicon
I'll get my coat...
Agreed, it's not like we need much more performance until the next round of consoles anyway..
PC graphics cards are so far ahead of consoles it's ridiculous.
As for me, the gtx600 series will be my next upgrade, if it's gonna be mid 2012 then good, more time to save, and less waste for my current system.
Plus I can't see SLI 460s struggling even with BF3
There really isnt a reason to upgrade GPUs anymore.
You always needed more GPU power to climb from 640x480 to 800x600 to 1024x768 to 1280x1024 to 1680x1050 and finally to 1920x1080. For most, there is no reason to go beyond 1920x1080. Some can go the dual monitor route but they will be a minority.
And the consolification hasnt helped.
Well all I will say about nothing taxing my system is that developers should be utilising the hardware available using, the engines that are currently out there and not just tweaking existing old engines to try and make them look better, and then people with pc's like mine won't be so annoyed about it.
As for the monitor comment, I only run at 1920x1080 because I am yet to find something that offer's a higher resolution with atleast 3 HDMI connection's and VGA connection and also a Scart connection, so that I can use my PC and Xbox as well as Tivo box, then also use my laptop on it when I just want to watch something and decide it's not worth turning my pc on for it, and also a scart for my DVD Recorder.
I can tell you this instance theres already a few things that will "tax your system". Try 3D for a start (don't call it a fad either, that's not an acceptable excuse) ;)
I raise your speculation and add
The partial truths:
1) AMD will have 28nm product this year - should they decide to release it of course.
2) Nvidia's 28nm will be a Q1 2012 release.
on a lighter note - I hope these guys can integrate tri-gate manufacturing to their silicon ASAP as even with a 28nm gpu, the top end products will still be hungry and toasty.
those type of transistors have existed for ages, trigate is only an intel marketing term.
If only they developed some sort of 3-1 HDMI Port adaptor which would allow you to connect 3 devices to a box that would allow easy switching between devices to your monitor......... behold I bring you the future....today!!
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Google is your friend
I read they they would be easier to cool and generate less heat anyway right? - but I accept that I don't have an in depth knowledge on this subject to comment beyond what I read elsewhere.
trigate is only a marketing jargon used by Intel. nothing special at all.
Because as any true PC enthusiast knows, performance is one thing, appeal is another. :D
you could have sold the 480 awhile back.. the cards are way too power hungry for what they do
Its like saying i want a twin turbo v12 in my car to go down to the shops to get some milk. WHY?
BF3 may change things :P
I actually got the GTX 480 from a GTX 295 RMA, so once I bought a Zalman VF3000F, I decided to stick with the card for a while. The GTX 295 was very power hungry for what it did and only in certain games with profiles made. Now I have one of the top 5 single GPU cards available and I have pushed the card over 950mhz on core; the card is a cherry and I have no need to sell it just to save a little power. If I wanted to save power I would upgrade my Mobo/CPU/RAM.
Already know about those thing's but that still leaves me unable to use my DVD Recorder and Laptop on it, without buying TV card's etc to do it all.
3D is a fad and guess what 4D is coming out now as well.
3D was brought out simply because the tv manufacturers were not making enough money so they brought it in to your home to make, everyone suddenly think "oh my shiny new HD tv is old and useless must buy 3D"
I have tried 3D and didn't like it, simply because I ended up with a headache after using the Nvidia 3D glasses etc, and to be honest it's fine at the cinemas watching film's as I don't get a headache but it's add's nothing to the film and I actually think it's makes films and games worse using than not, because you see the 2 images overlapping each other constantly as in tearing around people and object's.
3D is no where near ready yet for home use or at the cinemas in my oppinion and until it is I will not spend the money on it, as I might as well just set it alight and watch it burn.
Dell U2711:
1 HDMI + 2 DVI for PC and laptop (or HDMI to DVI cable) + VGA connection + Scart (well, the video yellow port is there) + Displayport for future proof + component
you are just not looking hard enough.
get 3 U2711's for nvidia surround. and i'd like to see how your system do, at 3x2560x1440.
This. 3D is a horrid fad-tastic tech. 4K will be the next big step; shame it'll take 10 years to see free to air in 4k broadcasts!
Doesn't give me a headache, maybe you need glasses.;)
The fact you actually mentioned 4D in relation to Nvidia 3D Vision automatically made me stop reading what you were saying.
Would you like me to tuck you in under that blanket statement?