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Activision defends MW2 on PC
Author: Joe MartinPublished: 6th November 2009
According to Activision the decision to remove dedicated server support in MW2 PC was for the best.
Those decisions include removing all dedicated servers and user-generated content, as well as halving the maximum number of players supported in the game.
"We're watching it very carefully and paying attention to it," said Griffith when asked in a conference call about what Activision thought of the player reaction against these changes and the 180,000-strong online petition.
He also claimed that the move to axe dedicated server support was one which would "improve the consumer experience overall by a significant margin", according to Kotaku.
"But we're not overly concerned about it...One of the problems with our PC SKUs in the past is that it has not been as friendly a consumer experience in terms of matchmaking and online play as the consoles have allowed it to be," he said.
Activision also reckons that the benefits of having a comparable system shared between PC and consoles, rather than having a seperate PC and console SKU, will far outweigh the negatives.
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yeah, that solves all the problems!
Agreed...
I was fine with the matchmaking to be honest, but reducing the number of players down to 9 a side... What the hell. If I wanted to play a gimped version I'd get it on the consoles and play with the silly sticks.
And then the price! £34.99? How does that work? If that's to pay for another rap song I'll be irritated.
Anyway, my purchase is now going to have to wait for the bargin bin...
y not just quit reading the posts?? too hard for ya? this game is sounding more like a console port everytime i see an article on it...
agreed, still can't believe the fact they've left out lean and dev console in the pc version... complete mess.
This. I wouldn't mind the change so much if this was the case and I'd probably actually buy it as my friends are probably going to get it on the 360. In it's current state it's just BS.
In the article i read on Ars, I think the guy pretty much admitted the only difference was keyboard support. There is also no console commands (think ~ in Valve games), no leaning (as in you lean over to see around a corner). Also if the host rage quits the game pauses for five seconds while switching to a new one.
Thats because console players are "lemmings" and do anything the game commands them to do or gratefully accepting the console limitations. PC users don't like being forced into a corner, they are bright loving exploring people that want to do all things what their PC's can offer them and if not they expand their horizons by adding some more hardware. Why? because PC users can!
It's amazing how many euphemisms there are for "console port", eh?
although the SP on cod4 was amazing, you will not play it more than 2 times at most. MP is like you say "the heart and soul" of this game, and their just shooting them selfs in the foot with this madness (madness?.... THIS IS SPARTER!)( sorry, had to be done :D)
let me point out that somebody's intelligence cannot be derived from the fact that he/she owns a console or a pc... and what about those who own both? they are only half-stupid? for the record, i'm a pc only gamer. in this logic that makes me a 'bright loving exploring horizonexpanding guy'. and yet i do not think console owners (i admit know a few of them, heresy!) are any more stupid or smart than i am...
but in the end, i do agree that MW is doing the wrong thing by tailoring the pc version to console limits....
Console players aren't lemmings (I own all 3 consoles btw and a Gaming PC) its just that the majority of players of COD4 came to the series, on console, and at the time COD2 came out. So all they've ever known is the pared down online system on xbox 360, and more recently, PS3. If they had ever experience how much smoother it is to play on dedicated servers, they'd understand, but they haven't, so they don't, and you flame them, so they flame you, and everyone ends up hating each for basically no reason other than not understanding the other person's position.
'Sparter'? dear oh dear....
PC gamers spend a lot more on the hardware. In return they get a far more customisable experience, especially in online play. I can choose a Bolt action only for COD5, a no arty and claymore server for COD4 etc. Also, I can favourite these servers if I like them and the 'regulars'. No chance of that with IW.net.
If PC gamers really craved the matchmaking and hosting systems from consoles, they would spend less than £200 for an Xbox to play on. Far cheaper and ultimately much more plug and play. BUT they don't, that's one reason they spend MUCH more on the hardware and put up with the odd flaky bit of OS or Driver issue.
One last comment, in an interview IW stated that lean was removed as the game was no balanced for it. Now, I may be being thick here, but if every play can lean and take advantage of it, how is it unbalanced? There were more glaring idiocies in the interview, but that one sticks as I stopped reading at that point...
Thinking about it, it's going to be like a PC version of Halo3 matchmaking, lolerz, I can't wait to see this, shall prove entertaining.
Wow, it looks like PC version had a budget of promptly zero, requiring a direct port with no added features. It looks like PC gamers should be "happy that they even got mouse and keyboard support", so I can imagine Activision possibly even saying "Just make PC players use a 360 gamepad"....
Games have just gotten too expensive to develop, which castrates publishers and makes them fear any risk. When will we see more efficient (cheaper) development tools and development strategies? (As technology improves, shouldn't it get *cheaper* to get games, not more expensive?)
Now that, is funny. GG IW.
1 day before release there will be a press statement saying the PC version will no longer support mouse or keyboard, because cutomers no longer demand this and it will make a more balanced, friendlyer consumer experience.
BIBLICAL FAIL!
This is the type of MBA suit that should be kept away from the PC Gaming industry. He is talking out of his aft thruster. The problem with MBAs is they think they can manage in any industry because they know how to due to their silly degree. Well as we can see in gaming this is not the case.
+1 on muppet comment.
Yours in Muppets should be on TV only,
Star*Dagger
Activision president Mike Griffith has spoken out in defence of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, saying that the controversial decisions made around the PC version of the game were made in order to benefit the consumer experience as much as possible. "
No No No No No... Wrong "utter arse gravy of the worst kind"
menu/multiplayer options/ 1, open sever/dedicated.
2, Matchplay server.
Problem solved everyone gets a choice .
I dont want to be forced into a server where everyone is the same skill lvl, how is that a benefit to anyone, oh and i dont want to have to read umpteen mother jokes from numpty's half my age!!.
185000* the £55 it costs totals up to about a measly £10.2 mil
Obviously nothing to be overly concerned about here >.>
But I guess thats the best he can say really. Its not he can say the truth, which is they dont give a damn about PC gamers and now want to only spend the bare minimum porting a 360 game with as few changes as possible. This is consolification taken to a new level.
I personally will never know whether it is improved like he says or not.. Im not buying it on either PC or console now, and I encourage you all not to either... as its a bit costly for a single player only game! (MP = joke)
They just keep kicking me... they think were stupid now.
However, reading the interview, I don't think I will even be doing that. For two reasons:-
1. It sounds like they have completely ignored the control system of keyboard and mouse and that we are lucky to have any buttons work at all. for example 'removing' lean (can't be arsed to put it in as difficult to incorporate in a console pad).
2. by pirating, I would actually support IW's claim that it is a good game and add to the 'everyones pirating our game as it's so good, but they will still have to buy it for MP', justifying the use of IW.net and making them think they have a good PC game and it was the correct route to take.
don't even pirate the game, let it fade into obscurity with the only note to it's death 'consult your customer or you will follow this demise'. Plenty of other games around. Oh, and if you can resist buying it for a console that would be great too :-)
http://www.canardpc.com/img/upload/unlink/18bf80add3231a510d5310385b1d1726_84130.png
No, by pirating the game you give them even more reason to keep shafting PC gamers with lazy console ports. As a PC gaming community, by tolerating people in our midst who pirate we are just screwing ourselves. It is a shame the mods don't take a much harder line on it.
If what this table say is true, I can foresee a HUGE fail. This is clearly a console port and it is very abusive considering its successfull past. Looks like Activision and IW are pushing their luck against the pc players.
Damn you money grabbers!
The only reason I bought MW was because of the MP.... now that's gone! No dedicated servers, user mods and now player limit of 18/18!!!!!!!! This is just laziness!!!!!
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No, by pirating the game you give them even more reason to keep shafting PC gamers with lazy console ports. As a PC gaming community, by tolerating people in our midst who pirate we are just screwing ourselves. It is a shame the mods don't take a much harder line on it.[/QUOTE]
Dude, that damage has already been made! Specially now that A-hole Griffith has confirmed everything! The game will launch next week! All my hopes of this being an Activision / IW marketing tactic to create hype around the PC version have been thrashed!
I WILL TORRENT THE DAMN THING!!!!!! They had their chance! I have bought all CoD games so far for the PC and I have love them all! But now the want to screw me, and I will not take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking forward to EA's BF:Bad Company 2.... a real multi-player game
If you're going to crap on our heads at least have the decency not to laugh at us afterwards
And using Babelfish to translate this gives me the following:
I support Activision's decision. I just wanna play the game both single player and multi. I prefer the decrease in players cause it means I won't die as soon as I spawn, I don't care about the no dedicated servers and user content is usually lame (except for "Rats" on CoD2) but then again I do understand where everone else is coming from so I'm not against you.
This is probably due to my lack of knowledge on games cause I just play lots of them and don't really care what happens to them and I'm always open for new directions.
I see the 1st and foremost problem as being the lack of a regular place to play. What I mean by this is that I enjoy gaming in one place with regular gamers, and this ALWAYS means a dedicated server. With the recent changes to PC MP gaming going the same way as consoles I see SOCIAL PC MP gaming going down the pan.
PC MP gaming has always been (to me) about settling in a dedicated server and becoming a regular, whether I decide to be vocal ("NEED BACKUP Now! ... pretty please"), noisy ("RAAARRRGH DIE DIE DIE BASTERDS"), bossy ("BACKUP FFS"), quiet (" ... ") .... however I play it, it's always about (using CSS as one eg. from many) 32 regular players, gaming together, knowing that it's going to be fun due to previous playing times.
PC MP = SOCIAL EXPERIENCE
CONSOLE MP = RANDOMNESS minus social
And thats just my personal view, please, no 360 or PS3 owners shoot me down either :P
I just skimmed that and all I have to say is quote this
I think that says everything that needed to be said, I mean comeon! PC has custom stuff like mouse control, text chat and graphic settings?! THEY MAKE PC GAMES PC GAMES! What is wrong with IW lately, seriously, I was never THAT fussed about the game to start with but now I can't even think of a reason to pirate the thing nevermind actually buy it, I mean what's the point? The whole lead up to the game just feels rotten to the core. I'd rather just pick up a copy of battlefield 2 or something and play that than this.
I would mind it. I already get angry at the noob campers that annoy me on current Modern Warfare servers. Last thing I want is to mix it up with noob console gamers too.
I signed the petition and I will NOT be buying this game.
Battlefield 2 just got a nice 1.9GB patch that opened things up a little and that game is 4 years old. I think I'll add it to my mix of FPS games that I'll actually play.
Great comment, definitely makes companies like EA and Activision really think:
I know lets spend millions of dollars on PC games, so people can pirate them. It's your attitude that makes them spend less on PC games on more on Consoles...
Modern Warfare 2, or Assassin's Creed 2 and Force Unleashed Sith Edition? I know where my money is going, and it's not on another bloody shooter.
1. Dedicated Servers - There's no reason why a PC game can't have dedicated servers. It's a middle finger to our face by IW that they're not adding it.
2. Player Count at 16!? - Probably a byproduct of the no dedicated servers thing.
3. Custom Content - How can allowing custom content be anything but a good thing. They're shooting themselves in the foot with that one. Again, probably a byproduct of not allowing dedicated servers.
Basically include at least the same features as CoD4... you're supposed to add to a game in the sequal, not gimp the damn thing.
Penfold was right. Something as simple as a menu option to change how you want to play multiplayer would make just about everybody happy.
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can't stant this random server thing
i think ill stick to amercas army for a little while longer
casue at least it has dedicated dervers and you can host your own