Valve looking at L4D1 and L4D2 crossplay

That was an awful pun, Joe. Awful :(

Side note: this is the very least they could do here. Hinting at maybe more content is still not what was promised.

I'd feel better if they just came out and said "We're breaking that promise. STFU and buy the new game, or STFU and GTFO."

^ Nothing to add.

If they did some sort of L4D account system similar to the system employed by CoH or Guild Wars where you add products to your account and can move between that content freely, that might not be bad. I bought the campiagn-a-year for Guild Wars at the same price of the origional because it did not split the game up and I could still play with everyone.

Its good to see that they aren't completely ignoring the hardcore fans who have raised their concerns and may be trying to reach a middle ground.

Greetings!

I am genuinely impressed by the damage control Valve is practising these last days.

Can a valve stop a flood of disappointement?

"The boycott can't be hurting Left 4 Dead 2 too much either, with pre-orders already double those for the original game."

pre-orders available?

To be honest the only annoying problem i foresaw with L4D2 was that there would be the community would be split between the haves and the havenots, allowing a form of cross-compatability would help resolve that one problem. The way i see it working is the cross compatability would work more as a backward compatability allowing L4D2 owners to play on L4D1 maps with L4D1 owners, and not L4D1 being able to play on L4D2 maps or with the L4D2 AI director.

Wouldn't this just be far easier to add this as premium DLC? Steam has the capacity to do this now so I don't see why they're bothering to make it a sequel.

Also, it's not really that surprising that L4D2 has more pre-orders than L4D. Not a whole lot of people had really heard of L4D and when most people looked at it they saw the graphics first. Now more people have played it, more people are aware of how awesome a game it is and the majority of people who are pre-ordering it aren't the people who followed the development of L4D and know what valve promised their customers.

Just what I wanted!

If the really manage to do this, this would be tottaly awesome!

they should just release it as an add-in for pc and new game for xbox, problem solved

They won't do it as DLC, not now they've commited to a sequel.

They should have, yes, but they won't and probably can't.

I can't remember whether it was Lombardi or Faliszek that cited the size as an issue, but apparently he's not been made aware of Steam or the Xbox Market Place..

No wonder they work together, what with L4D2 being just an expansion :p

Tired of all this L4D2 is "just an expansion".

Do you know what it is? Have they done any serious previews, reviews, insights into the game? Does anyone really appreciate what features and new mechanics they're creating?

Hold fire - see what actually is released then judge it!

Originally Posted by harveypooka
Tired of all this L4D2 is "just an expansion".

Do you know what it is? Have they done any serious previews, reviews, insights into the game? Does anyone really appreciate what features and new mechanics they're creating?

Hold fire - see what actually is released then judge it!

Quoted for speaking the truth. Have some rep :)

Also the new one looks like it has more variation than 'hit them with the gun' when it comes to hand to hand combat - so at least something is new - or at least that's that the trailer on Xbox Live shows...

LOL, is this a case of SPOILED gamers or just a bunch of generally bitter and miserable, or even cognitively challenged people?

The point is, 99.9% of all the anti L4D2 bitchers likely complain about everything in life regardless of facts; L4D2 is just the flavour of the month to them.

As far as I'm concerned Valve are just taking this as a great opportunity to communicate as directly as possible with their audience, but odds on most of the nay-sayers have concluded some slight victory here in apparently forcing Valve to explain...

... THEIR RESPONSE WOULD HAVE EMERGED IN SOME FORM OR OTHER AT SOME POINT ANYWAY!!

Most likely post-release just as every other seminal Valve title to date.

There isn't a shred of historical evidence to support the notion that Valve have ever, or will ever "abandon" gamers or any of the other ridiculous inferences made by the boycotters.

That boycott list may as well be referred to as a list of very "special" people, if you get my drift.

Oh how soon have some people forgotten the CONSTANT twaeking to perfectly balance the game - How many oter titles from other devs are tweaked to perfection like this?

What about the frankly large survival update and rest of the campaigns?

Valve have categorically exceeded expectations with L4D already, but there'll never be any pleasing the boycotter types...

... The more they get, the more they complain, moan, bitch, and whine.

The most frustrating thing is their utter noobness compounding the issue.

I'm refering to those online I've had the pleasure of sharing opinions with on this matter. Almost 100% have been the worst players in the match concerned... Charging off alone to be rescued again and again, leaving team-mates to fend for themselves, shouting at other players for nothing and so on... Generally unpleasant people.

OK, rant over... I promised myself not to pipe up, but after recent in-game debates and some of the responses on this thread, I couldn't help myself ;)

same graphic engine, tweaked AI director, different characters, day-light missions, melee weapons & a bunch of new zombies... sounds more like an expansion than a new game (sorry L4D fanboys but it's the truth!) Even after I saw the gameplay videos and the interviews, I barely saw a difference between both games... in the end you are just killing zombies

I bet the have already worked the crossplay issue between both games since, well... it's the same game!

Booooring

Originally Posted by Burnin'
/snip

I barely saw a difference between both games... in the end you are just killing zombies

/snip

That's probably the most moronic comment I've read today, sorry.
Killing zombies is part of 50% of all shooters [the rest being soldiers, preferably in WWII, and aliens]. So what you're saying is that all these games are the same?

Yes, slightly exaggerated and out of context but seriously, that is just... but I already said that.

i have had the game for 8 months and barely played it... not because its bad but because i am still waiting for friends to aquire it haha. I guess that'll never happen

Originally Posted by perplekks45

Killing zombies is part of 50% of all shooters [the rest being soldiers, preferably in WWII, and aliens]. So what you're saying is that all these games are the same?

Yes, slightly exaggerated and out of context but seriously, that is just... but I already said that.

dude if all the FPS you play have zombies on them, then let me tell you that you are missing A LOT OF GOOD GAMES out there... However, I understand your point of view... It's got to be a lot easier to kill mindless zombies with your Xbox gamepad than to play a REAL multiplayer game

too bad my harmless post crashed against your subjective fanboyism... but then again, Valve's marketing dept loves people like you. Ready to buy the next big "sequel'' without ever questioning if what your are really buying is worth it (just because is "new")

way to go bro

I don't even own L4D.
I don't play multiplayer games on my 360.
I'm definitely not a Valve fanboy. I owned HL [lost], own HL2. That's it.
I still play QuakeII, CS:S, WC3 and other games in multiplayer.
I was part of the WarRock beta, as well as the Quake Wars beta.

I don't know what triggered you in my post [maybe the part about your post being moronic?] but your reaction shows that you classify people very quickly without knowing anything about them. I don't even know how the hell you got to think I'm a Valve fanboy!
All I said was that you can't say two games are the same just because they have one or two things in common. Okay, L4D 1 and might essentially be main game and expansion respectively but you said that they're the same because you kill zombies.
According to that logic Quake and Doom would be the same. And if you'd said that you'd be in real trouble. All the big bad guys with long hair and black leather coats, listening to Death Metal all the time, they'd beat you up no time.
Don't we like stereotyping every now and then? Well, I do. :p

Originally Posted by Burnin
same graphic engine, tweaked AI director, different characters, day-light missions, melee weapons & a bunch of new zombies... sounds more like an expansion than a new game (sorry L4D fanboys but it's the truth!) Even after I saw the gameplay videos and the interviews, I barely saw a difference between both games... in the end you are just killing zombies

I bet the have already worked the crossplay issue between both games since, well... it's the same game!

Booooring

Doom 1 to Doom 2:

Same engine. Bunch of new enemies. Bunch of new levels. One new gun.

By that logic, L4D to L4D2 is MUCH more of an update, so it has to be okay to be a sequal.

Besides, L4D2 has more levels than L4D one had. No expansion pack can be longer than the original, that wouldn't make any sense at all.