Activision: "We may have to stop supporting Sony"

Finally, someone standing up to Sony.

God bless Activision Blizzard. I don't think sony can sit on their arrogant throne for much longer. Losing the likes of CoD and Guitar Hero would be unthinkable.

good, screw off then. COD sucks compared to mostly every other FPS on the market and GH lost versus Rock Band.

Act-Blizz support Macs? Surely PS3 sales are better than Mac sales of their titles? Maybe not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Mac user and I love that we get titles like WoW, StarCraft II and Diablo III at the same time as PC, but I'd assumed that PS3 must sell more than Mac.

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I don't see how CoD could suck compared to most other FPS games... I could understand if you don't think it's the best, but to say it's the worst, especially on consoles ? That's nonsense

^ it normally does. just don;t release trash and sales will be good. And the Xbox 360 isnt selling much better then the PS3 at the moment. 10 - 20k a week more isnt something to be impressed by.

PS3 is very expensive to develop for. You literally have to develop the game engine twice: once for Everything and once for PS3. The problem with having different purpose cores, is that they have to be cared for, and that makes coding for PS3 very difficult. The best you can do for porting is just to take advantage of the one general purpose core and ignore the rest, which makes for slow and ugly games.

Sony made an expensive console that's even more expensive for developers. Me thinks Sony lost this round, especially since regular BD players have come down in price now.

Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
Finally, someone standing up to Sony.

+1 to that, Sony can't afford to loose them.

Originally Posted by ssj12
^ it normally does. just don;t release trash and sales will be good. And the Xbox 360 isnt selling much better then the PS3 at the moment. 10 - 20k a week more isnt something to be impressed by.

True, but the Xbox 360 has been on sale a lot longer. This is the bottom of a sales curve for them, but the top for Sony.

ssj12 is angry! haha

we keep hearing this time and time again, followed by people claiming the developers are lazy, stupid, their games are crap anyway etc
there has to be something in it if we hear the same thing from developer after developer. Valve said that some of the architecture decisions Sony made were just stupid and counter-productive.
If my job was to create games and a system designed for that purpose was actively causing me trouble, excess cost and stress then i'd want to ditch it as well :(

Originally Posted by rembo666
PS3 is very expensive to develop for. You literally have to develop the game engine twice: once for Everything and once for PS3. The problem with having different purpose cores, is that they have to be cared for, and that makes coding for PS3 very difficult. The best you can do for porting is just to take advantage of the one general purpose core and ignore the rest, which makes for slow and ugly games.

Sony made an expensive console that's even more expensive for developers. Me thinks Sony lost this round, especially since regular BD players have come down in price now.

Care to explain how Electronic Arts has managed to gain the most revenue off selling games on the PS3 then? Activision is the only one complaining about losing money.

Both EA and Capcom has made tons of exclusive content for the PS3 and PSN. They realize they make the most off of Sony's consoles.

The realistic view on the market is that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are both selling poorly versus the Wii. For the cost the PS3 is selling extremely well consider the Xbox 360 arcade is half its price. If Sony dropped the price of the PS3 though it would gain sales but lose any chance at profit for years. Sony is no willing to do this.

I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

Originally Posted by CardJoe

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Originally Posted by ssj12
^ it normally does. just don;t release trash and sales will be good. And the Xbox 360 isnt selling much better then the PS3 at the moment. 10 - 20k a week more isnt something to be impressed by.

True, but the Xbox 360 has been on sale a lot longer. This is the bottom of a sales curve for them, but the top for Sony.

Actually the Xbox 360's sales have been increasing YOY so it is by far not at the bottom of its sales curve yet. Sony has just been outselling the Xbox 360's past sales which is why the PS3 is about 7.8 million behind the Xbox 360. This sounds like a lot but it by far isn't. Sales are low at the time of the year every year. We are still feeling the post-Christmas, pre-holiday season sales dip.

Originally Posted by pimlicosound
I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
Finally, someone standing up to Sony.

+1 to that, Sony can't afford to loose them.

lose - please jump from a high building.

Hmm, can anybody say scapegoat..... Activision looking for a fallguy for its poor performance, just last year they were saying how they would have a competitive advantage in the market with PS3 due to strides with proprietary tools from its central technology group that "address the PS3 architecture in efficient ways," and says Call of Duty 4's number one selling status on the platform was proof of its progress.

Looking at their financials the PS3 has been increasing in revenue quarter on quarter they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot if they ahve made this multiplatform 'advantage' to then pull the plug on it.

I say they are full of hot air, they can probably see that the Wii revenues are dropping and know that they could make up the difference with PS3 and can see a lower PS3 price would get more units shifted and its trendy to say the PS3 needs a price cut,

Originally Posted by harveypooka
Act-Blizz support Macs? Surely PS3 sales are better than Mac sales of their titles? Maybe not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Mac user and I love that we get titles like WoW, StarCraft II and Diablo III at the same time as PC, but I'd assumed that PS3 must sell more than Mac.

Their issue isn't only about which platform sells the most, but how relatively dificult the PS3 is to code.

A mac, a PC and an XBOX 360 are relatively simple to code for. If you have a multiplatform game, it is easy to produce for xbox, pc etc. But porting to the PS3 is almost like creating a whole new game code. This takes time, staff resources and money.

What they are saying is that they could justify going through the hard work of coding for PS3 only IF the sales were on a certain level. So if PS3 games sold as much as xbox 360, then they would be much happier.

Many games these days are multi-core. This is not the issue. However, people should understand the main differences between multi-core coding on the 'general purpose' PC cpus and XBOX cpus compared to the PS3 'non-general purpose' SPE units. The PS3's SPEs are NOT 'cores' they are specialized units that rely on the PS3's single general purpose core.

As usual, Sony have to be different to everyone else, creating a product that is not widely supported. This mentality usually eventually kills their own products. Microsoft, on the other hand, gave developers what they asked for.

Thank god Activision-Blizzard are telling arrogant Sony where to go.

PC and 360 Cheesecake!!!

Originally Posted by ssj12
why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

Other way round for me Console gaming > PC gaming, I upgraded my PC about 2-3 months back and the only games I've bought for it since then have been DOW2 and Plants vs Zombies.
In the same time frame I've bought a lot more for the 360 and had great fun playing them. Before I would have said it was because my PC wouldn't play 90% of the games I wanted to play but tbh, I think actually sorting games out to play on the PC has become the biggest turn off (ensuring you have the latest drivers, sorting out crashes because of the DRM etc...).

Joe, I posted this in the Games section lunch time - might as well lock it 'cos this thread is more active ;)

Originally Posted by Blademrk

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Originally Posted by ssj12
why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

Other way round for me Console gaming > PC gaming, I upgraded my PC about 2-3 months back and the only games I've bought for it since then have been DOW2 and Plants vs Zombies.
In the same time frame I've bought a lot more for the 360 and had great fun playing them. Before I would have said it was because my PC wouldn't play 90% of the games I wanted to play but tbh, I think actually sorting games out to play on the PC has become the biggest turn off (ensuring you have the latest drivers, sorting out crashes because of the DRM etc...).

Joe, I posted this in the Games section lunch time - might as well lock it 'cos this thread is more active ;)

TBH whenever I am faced with a multiplatform choice, PC wins for me all the time without a single exception.

It doesn't take long to update a driver. In fact, it's almost always unnecessary anyway. My overall gaming experience is greater on PC, such as with higher resolutions, graphics, framerates and up to 16 x AA ( 16 x Q ) .

Originally Posted by ssj12

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Originally Posted by pimlicosound
I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

PC gaming isn't necessarily "better" than console gaming. Are you intentionally trying to wind people up with that statement? Hehe.

On the off-chance that you're being serious, I put it to you that console gaming, on the whole, is:

- cheaper (unless you want to bill me for my TV, my sofa, and, you know, my living room)
- more reliable
- more compatible
- more comfortable
- blessed by more exclusive titles
- blessed by titles released months before the PC versions

Of course there are counter-arguments, and I'd freely make them, having been a PC gamer for years. But this is just to disprove your assertion that PC gaming is so obviously superior.

PC gaming is superior, mainly due to the Hardware upgrades....
Games are made for Windows, MS, so they are also compatible on every platform.
x86 is a standard....remember ?

I can't stand Joypads, haven't used one since the Amstrad ( a joystick in fact) and even then preferred QAOP and Space.
Now we have Mice too ;)

Not all console games are released months before the PC versions, but I don't mind waiting a bit for them to come out with something good than rushed to get to the exclusive availability date...

I have no consoles.

Each to their own I guess.

Looks like overracting to me. I could see if the PS3 had half the user base of the Xbox but it doesn't. Some of Activisions strongest games tend to target Western audiences, who tend to favor the Xbox over PS3. Nothing wrong with that, but I can't see how 3 million sales of CoD4 turns them off to the PS3.

If you read the times article I think you'll see the reasoning for the whining, its not really much to do with the PS3 costs etc, they are just an excuse, instead it is in fact about the royalties, this is a bullyboy tactic, threaten to drop support because 'ooh its PS3, its hard' (lets forget most of the engine work is all in place from the first titles, that investment has already been done ) in the hope that Sony come back and offer slightly lower royalties prior to the release of their next multimillion PS3 seller CODMW2.

Originally Posted by pimlicosound

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Originally Posted by ssj12

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Originally Posted by pimlicosound
I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

PC gaming isn't necessarily "better" than console gaming. Are you intentionally trying to wind people up with that statement? Hehe.

On the off-chance that you're being serious, I put it to you that console gaming, on the whole, is:

- cheaper (unless you want to bill me for my TV, my sofa, and, you know, my living room)
- more reliable
- more compatible
- more comfortable
- blessed by more exclusive titles
- blessed by titles released months before the PC versions

Of course there are counter-arguments, and I'd freely make them, having been a PC gamer for years. But this is just to disprove your assertion that PC gaming is so obviously superior.

I say no to format wars :)

I know you did not start this, but I just wanted to politely touch on some points you made:

1) "more reliable"? It depends on your experience. I personally haven't found PC games to be less reliable than console games.

2) "blessed by more exclusives"? it depends on whether the individual person has any interest in those exclusives.

Also, the fact that Microsoft, for example, consider exclusive titles to be so important is because consoles have a fundamentally 'failed' business model which relies on FORCING an extremely high rate of sales in order to stop the company from losing money on the hardware and then, at least, breaking even after many years after release. By the time of breaking even, the console hardware is outdated and poor compared to PC hardware. Look at Sony talking about how they want a ten year life cycle for the PS3 before a new console is released. Are they joking???!! Look at Microsoft's Halo titles and how they are so reluctant to release on PC, which means that many PC Halo fans are FORCED into buying the game on console because they don't want to wait any longer even though they prefer to have the game on PC.

3) blessed by titles released months before the PC versions? This is rare. The worst case would be the Halo example above. In some cases the short wait is worth it in the end, in terms of quality. However, most PC multiplatform games are released at the same time as the console versions.

4) quote: "unless you want to bill me for my TV, my sofa, and, you know, my living room"
This implies that only consoles are situated in living rooms and used from a sofa and connected to a TV.

i have experience of console and PC gaming in the living room via the same TV, so I can 'objectively' measure the quality differences between multiplatform games. For me PC wins everytime.

The irony of this idea is that Guitar Hero and Call of Duty most certainly have the sales power to still be lucrative on the PS3. So even if Activision did officially stop PS3 development for most of their titles, I'm sure those two would be the exception.

In general though, the sentiment is correct. Sony has to stop marketing the PS3 (and pricing it) as if it were the still the #1 top dog. They are at a distinct disadvantage compared to the 360 at the moment and need to start acting accordingly.

I thought it was the pc gaming market that was going down. This is just the most recent example of how the pc market is the only one who is truly stable and worth investing in. Could you imagine a pc game company saying computers are too expensive and we are not going to support them anymore. But it is reasonable for a developer to drop a console because they think sales are too low,

Originally Posted by tron
For me PC wins everytime.

Thank you, I would have made similar counter-arguments. My point was not to settle the score, it was simply to demonstrate that the matter is entirely down to personal preference and experience, and that by no measure was it objectively, scientifically, and beyond-all-reasonable-doubt obvious that PC gaming is "better" as ssj12 claimed. Judging by my very selective quote from your post, I'd say that you agree.

Originally Posted by pimlicosound

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Originally Posted by tron
For me PC wins everytime.

Thank you, I would have made similar counter-arguments. My point was not to settle the score, it was simply to demonstrate that the matter is entirely down to personal preference and experience, and that by no measure was it objectively, scientifically, and beyond-all-reasonable-doubt obvious that PC gaming is "better" as ssj12 claimed. Judging by my very selective quote from your post, I'd say that you agree.

agreed :)

Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
I thought it was the pc gaming market that was going down. This is just the most recent example of how the pc market is the only one who is truly stable and worth investing in. Could you imagine a pc game company saying computers are too expensive and we are not going to support them anymore. But it is reasonable for a developer to drop a console because they think sales are too low,

PC developers don't whinge about money and cost, but they do whinge about piracy. Just look at Epic and Crytek's shift towards console centric development.

I would love to know if we (PCowners/Consoleowners/ITworkers/Techheads/whatever) are the most opinionated people on the planet or is there another group that out-does us?

;)

Originally Posted by

there are certainly none that can expose their opinion as much as we can thanks to the internetZ and the way we exploit it. It's not always a good thing however

Originally Posted by ssj12

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Originally Posted by pimlicosound
I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

Dude so are you a PS3 Fanboy or a PC Fanboy please explain. Jesus you have about twice as many posts in this one section as anyone else does. Why the hell are you defending Sony so much? Do you work for them or something? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however we don't need the same dipsh*t explaining to us a million different ways why Sony is superior. We get your point now move the f*ck on please! Oh and for my 2 cents on the subject I owned a PS3 for about 3 months before selling it. Didn't like the way the controller felt in my hand and didn't like the games available. Not to mention none of my friends had one because they all had 360's so I couldnt play with any friends online either. Just wasnt a very good experience for me.

Originally Posted by pimlicosound

On the off-chance that you're being serious, I put it to you that console gaming, on the whole, is:

- cheaper (unless you want to bill me for my TV, my sofa, and, you know, my living room)

Of course there are counter-arguments, and I'd freely make them, having been a PC gamer for years. But this is just to disprove your assertion that PC gaming is so obviously superior.

On a cheaper point, A general trend ive found is that pc games are cheaper than most console counter parts. I got far cry 2 for £10 while it was £35+ on consoles, mass effect was only £3 (god rest zavvi) while still £20 at cheapest. Although I dont have it L4D is also a good £5 cheaper for pc.

While I agree that pc gaming is superior both in looks and cost, I just wish it could cater for when mates come round. Consols are great in that sense. The only reason im here posting this is casue fallout 3 crashed for the 5th time today and recently other games have started doing the same in sympathy. Pc gaming really is a love hate thing but im willing to stay commited to it.

back to the topic, its a shame if they do. I was looking at getting a console for those summer nights friends are over but why get a consol that developers are dropping. Valve make great games but alone isn't ground breaking enough to effect my decision, activison on the other hand does make me take a double take. ATM I would still consider ps3 but not get one there is a small reduction (price is solid tho IMO but less is always better), guarnenteed future support from developers and more of my friends get one (most are xbox gamers).

Originally Posted by tron
Look at Sony talking about how they want a ten year life cycle for the PS3 before a new console is released. Are they joking???!!

TBH, the 10 year life cycle doesn't mean that there won't be a new console. Microsoft said the same for the Xbox 360, till 2015, it just means it'll be supported till then, just like how the PS3 was released during the 6th year in the PS2's 10 year life cycle.

remember when song said people would get second jobs to afford a ps3... Yeah, they aren't doing that LOL

Originally Posted by Ape
I would love to know if we (PCowners/Consoleowners/ITworkers/Techheads/whatever) are the most opinionated people on the planet or is there another group that out-does us?

;)

hmm. I absolutly sure politics-science, lawyers, law-school goers takes the cake:p

what I wish is that MS release a 360 with a blu-ray drive that would be a nice excuse to pick that up lol but that Natal thing if its all that its cracked up to be will probably be another nail in the PS3 coffin as that will grab me to go 360 over PS3 if it works as well as it looks

Originally Posted by paisa666
hmm. I absolutly sure politics-science, lawyers, law-school goers takes the cake:p

Politics and Religion.

And possibly pro-sports.

(You tell me you soccer fans. ;) )

EDIT: @HourBeforeDawn -- Yeah, after the end of the format wars, Microsoft really should have jumped on BluRay. Especially by now. I'm sure it will obsolete DVD's in the next 4 to 5 years.

OFFTOPIC: I legally own like 90 movies and a few TV series.
A) Do all BluRay players play DVD?
B) Is there a hassle-free legal way to rip and reburn my DVD's to BluRay
C) Is AnyDVD legal if you aren't using it to burn pirated media?

Originally Posted by Faulk_Wulf
Politics and Religion.

And possibly pro-sports.

(You tell me you soccer fans. ;) )

EDIT: @HourBeforeDawn -- Yeah, after the end of the format wars, Microsoft really should have jumped on BluRay. Especially by now. I'm sure it will obsolete DVD's in the next 4 to 5 years.

OFFTOPIC: I legally own like 90 movies and a few TV series.
A) Do all BluRay players play DVD?
B) Is there a hassle-free legal way to rip and reburn my DVD's to BluRay
C) Is AnyDVD legal if you aren't using it to burn pirated media?

HMMMMM.. i can talk about football (soccer) all day long!!! EL DEPORTE MAS BELLO DEL MUNDOOO!!!!

Is ps3 overpriced not really , is it aimed at the higher paid workers. Yes ,I own All 3 never really use them at all pc gaming all the way .want to buy new consoles already as this gen is outta date , natal not gonna be well suPpoted I dout

I think both Sony and Activision know that Activision won't stop making PS3 games. This is probably just to scare Sony into providing better developer support for them and getting them to share the expertise of the 1st and 2nd party developers with them.

About all the posts about PS3 vs. PC gaming, to sum it up, console is for the Average Joe and PC is for the more enthusiast gamers :-)

so much wrong with just about everything this ...person says...

Originally Posted by ssj12
^ it normally does. just don;t release trash and sales will be good. And the Xbox 360 isnt selling much better then the PS3 at the moment. 10 - 20k a week more isnt something to be impressed by.

i'd say around 100k units more a month in the US is pretty significant, dont know where you got 10 to 20k....maybe in florida...

Originally Posted by ssj12
Actually the Xbox 360's sales have been increasing YOY so it is by far not at the bottom of its sales curve yet. Sony has just been outselling the Xbox 360's past sales which is why the PS3 is about 7.8 million behind the Xbox 360. This sounds like a lot but it by far isn't. Sales are low at the time of the year every year. We are still feeling the post-Christmas, pre-holiday season sales dip.

a:u r right on that, xbox has pretty much been increasing its sales yoy....what do you think that means?

b:sony hasnt outsold anything the xbox has done yet...research these things before you act like you know something


advice, try google...makes you look a little more intelligent than you are sometimes.

Originally Posted by themax
Looks like overracting to me. I could see if the PS3 had half the user base of the Xbox but it doesn't. Some of Activisions strongest games tend to target Western audiences, who tend to favor the Xbox over PS3. Nothing wrong with that, but I can't see how 3 million sales of CoD4 turns them off to the PS3.

they did have about half the user base (maybe not now). last time i checked, which was last year granted, xbox had hit 29 million, sony still looking for 14 million...

Originally Posted by rollo
Is ps3 overpriced not really, is it aimed at the higher paid workers. Yes ,I own All 3 never really use them at all pc gaming all the way .want to buy new consoles already as this gen is outta date , natal not gonna be well suPpoted I dout

yes, they are over-priced...you sit in on ceo board meetings, do ya? they specifically stated in their last meeting that who cares what 90% of the population wants as long as the richer 10% buy it we'll turn a profit?

Originally Posted by ssj12
good, screw off then. COD sucks compared to mostly every other FPS on the market and GH lost versus Rock Band.

another great comment by this guy. your opinions are obviously one-sided, but they dont represent the vast majority of public opinion. CoD is a top seller, and last i checked, which was after christmas, gh outsold rockband 2:1. so how exactly did they lose to rockband?

Originally Posted by trig
they do have about half the user base. last time i checked, which was last year granted, xbox had hit 29 million, sony still looking for 14 million...

What? Last time I checked, Microsoft only recently (as in this year, I think it was pre-E3 tbh) announced 30 million, and Sony was at 23 or 24 million I believe. Unless you're not talking worldwide then wooops.

Originally Posted by RedDethX
What? Last time I checked, Microsoft only recently (as in this year, I think it was pre-E3 tbh) announced 30 million, and Sony was at 23 or 24 million I believe. Unless you're not talking worldwide then wooops.

xbox hit 28.59 million units as of dec 31, 2008. around that time i was looking to get one, but walmart...gotta love em...had a deal on ps3's where you bought the $399 version and got a $100 walmart giftcard. essentially getting it for $299. i know they had a big spike around that time, but i had no idea they hit 20 million units by e3. but that would be about right for 30 million for the xbox 360 as sales are bad post christmas usually. especially these days.

it would kill sony ps3 if they lost the games from activision, especially if it happened before the release of MW2, i used to own xbox 360, i now have ps3 and i must say there is no real difference between the two, if im completely honest i think i enjoyed the 360 better but im hoping that in the future the ps3 will begin to overtake the xbox.

www.customgamingrig.com

Originally Posted by ssj12

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Originally Posted by pimlicosound
I have an X360 and PS3, and it's the X360 that gets all the gaming love. 95% of the games I want to play are available on both systems, but I always choose X360 given the choice. I have only 2 games on PS3 compared to around 20 on X360, which I play repeatedly. I just find it more enjoyable, with a greatly superior controller (bar the D-pad).

Having said that, the PS3 does get all the music, TV and film love, but that doesn't really benefit Sony.

why? most 360 games are on PC. Why get them on console when we all know PC > console gaming.

because with microsoft development tools, they only have to write the code once, and they can compile two version with one click.... thats why mass effect. left of dead, splinter cell are 360 and pc only, because developers can make two games from one.... it just makes good business sense and dont forget that a windows PC is a microsoft platform too

Well I think Activision should stay with supporting SONY because you've only just started to support (Crash Bandicoot) And it would be Excellent if you could keep Crash Bandicoot.

Jason Rubin would be surprised like me as he thought you'd do a good job on Crash.

Your new Crash forum is very good. So just keep Sony's Crash to help the series stay popular.

activation wont drop ps3 support no matter what as it would be suicide from a business stand point. Its not even that far behind for such an over expensive console as people think it is ( its not overpriced for what you get).

sony and microsoft as companies both have there bad points. im glad nintendo is destroying both. Hope it continues.

Originally Posted by rollo
activation wont drop ps3 support no matter what as it would be suicide from a business stand point. Its not even that far behind for such an over expensive console as people think it is ( its not overpriced for what you get).

sony and microsoft as companies both have there bad points. im glad nintendo is destroying both. Hope it continues.

Good job it doesn't include Modern warfare 2, imagine the uproar if that ended up being Pc/Xbox 360 only :P

Originally Posted by Faulk_Wulf

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Originally Posted by paisa666
hmm. I absolutly sure politics-science, lawyers, law-school goers takes the cake:p

Politics and Religion.

And possibly pro-sports.

(You tell me you soccer fans. ;) )

EDIT: @HourBeforeDawn -- Yeah, after the end of the format wars, Microsoft really should have jumped on BluRay. Especially by now. I'm sure it will obsolete DVD's in the next 4 to 5 years.

OFFTOPIC: I legally own like 90 movies and a few TV series.
A) Do all BluRay players play DVD?
B) Is there a hassle-free legal way to rip and reburn my DVD's to BluRay
C) Is AnyDVD legal if you aren't using it to burn pirated media?

A) Yes
B) Yes but it wouldnt improve anything so you might as well leave them on the DVD
C) Yes if it wasnt they couldnt sell it but man is it bloody expensive ~_~