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Leopard spotted with more problems

Leopard spotted with more problems

Flaws abound in the latest Mac OS X offering from Apple.

Following shortly after installation issues, more problems are arising about Apple’s newly released OS X upgrade. Leopard, which came hailing hundreds of new features apparently has some features Apple failed to disclose. Heise Security, a private UK security firm, has found multiple leaks in the Leopard firewall that may give viruses and other malware direct access to your system.

One major issue is that when upgrading, even users who had the firewall activated on their previous install will find it deactivated once they fire Leopard up. Worse than that is that even once activated, the Leopard firewall has many holes that can allow outside sources to access both system data and user data.

The Apple firewall, similar to newer versions of Windows firewalls, is also capable of ground-level virus scanning. Unfortunately the Leopard firewall failed to detect viruses that infiltrated the system while the firewall was disabled, even after it was reactivated. Basically, users who haven’t noticed their firewall deactivated may potentially already be infected with malware that won’t be caught by Apple’s software, even after you reactivate it.

This isn’t the first time OS X has had serious security flaws. It has always had comparatively sub-par virus protection, and companies that provide additional virus scanning software don’t tend to focus on OS X nearly as heavily as Windows. This could be due to a few things – not the most subtle of which is market share.

Though Apple has made great advancements in the market since OS X was first released and has been gaining popularity even more rapidly since the company partnered with Intel, it still doesn’t have anywhere close to the saturation of Windows. OS X holds around 6.5% of the OS market currently, with all versions of Windows holding over 90% (statistics sourced from here).

Apple fans will always bring up two points to establish OS X’s seniority over Windows: how foolproof it is to install, and how secure it is. In the last few days we’ve seen news contradicting both of these points.

Are you considering OS X and having second thoughts in light of recent news? Tell us your thoughts over in the forums.

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ArtificialHero 1st November 2007, 13:44 Quote
I can't comment on the firewall issues, I've haven't even had my PowerBook switched on for long enough to check if it's switched on since I installed Leopard, but the install went absolutely swimmingly. It seems that installation problems are only occurring for a very small minority of users (not that that excuses Apple).
iwog 1st November 2007, 14:00 Quote
It never rains but it pours. Now if only the fan boys could stop claiming superiority then the world would be a better place, especailly if every OS user would accept that they are inferior to every other OS user in some way.
woodshop 1st November 2007, 14:04 Quote
Still no word on the Java .6 issue... issue being the lack of it.. It's making me put off my upgrade..
/me stares longly @ leopard box
sotu1 1st November 2007, 14:08 Quote
i've not been around long enough to really know, but surely every OS upgrade comes complete with it's share of bugs? i think that leopard seems like its getting some bad pres atm, but didnt vista still have virus problems which hadn't been sorted since windows 2000/ME or something silly like that?
Firehed 1st November 2007, 14:18 Quote
TBH, I don't trust any software firewall - for reasons like this. I leave it to my router which does a much better job of everything, doesn't waste my system resources, and is on across all connected systems.

The firewall in OS X does seem to suck as far as I can tell from poking around the settings for it, although the built-in Windows one seems only the tiniest bit better.
Bluephoenix 1st November 2007, 15:21 Quote
Cisco ASA 5515 F T W!!

no need for performance-sucking firewalls here,

though it is worth noting even the most expensive hardware firewall still needs to be backed up by a decent antivirus program, AVG (payware) does the job nicely, and doesn't choke the system.
Cobalt 1st November 2007, 16:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
AVG (payware) does the job nicely, and doesn't choke the system.

Unless you play any source based game in which case you could be in for a world of hurt. (Sorry for the OT post, sore issue:()
ChiperSoft 1st November 2007, 16:11 Quote
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users who haven’t noticed their firewall deactivated may potentially already be infected with malware that won’t be caught by Apple’s software
And just what malware would they be infected with? That britney spears porn trojan is the first piece of real malware to show up on the mac, and even it relies on stupid horndogs installing a foreign codec.
Atomic 1st November 2007, 16:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by ChiperSoft
And just what malware would they be infected with? That britney spears porn trojan is the first piece of real malware to show up on the mac, and even it relies on stupid horndogs installing a foreign codec.
It's the same as a windows user running a dodgy program!

It doesn't come in via the network like the article seems to think and it needs the user to run it and give it admin privilidges too.
Rocket733 1st November 2007, 16:38 Quote
Leopard spotted with more problems. :D hehe...
Bluephoenix 1st November 2007, 16:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Unless you play any source based game in which case you could be in for a world of hurt. (Sorry for the OT post, sore issue:()

actually, there are ways around it

I'm on my laptop which has company required norton; but I'll dig up the settings for you when I get home.
RTT 1st November 2007, 17:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Firehed
TBH, I don't trust any software firewall - for reasons like this. I leave it to my router which does a much better job of everything, doesn't waste my system resources, and is on across all connected systems.

The firewall in OS X does seem to suck as far as I can tell from poking around the settings for it, although the built-in Windows one seems only the tiniest bit better.

Woah, that's the last thing I expected someone to post! Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, you do realise OS X's firewall is ipfw? For the uninitiated - thats FreeBSD's firewall! It's an incredibly powerful, reliable, tried and tested, widely used firewall and runs in the kernel (where it belongs) and so the impact on performance is next to none. You can play with it via terminal (obviously) :)

The firewall was actually the first thing I went to check when I enabled Leopard, i was surprised to see it turned off :o
Da Dego 1st November 2007, 18:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Rocket733
Leopard spotted with more problems. :D hehe...

At least SOMEONE got Phil's subtle joke. I personally found it entertaining. :)
Rocket733 1st November 2007, 20:23 Quote
Yeah, it made my day actually.
Firehed 1st November 2007, 20:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by RTT
Woah, that's the last thing I expected someone to post! Without wanting to sound like a fanboy, you do realise OS X's firewall is ipfw? For the uninitiated - thats FreeBSD's firewall! It's an incredibly powerful, reliable, tried and tested, widely used firewall and runs in the kernel (where it belongs) and so the impact on performance is next to none. You can play with it via terminal (obviously) :)

The firewall was actually the first thing I went to check when I enabled Leopard, i was surprised to see it turned off :o
I think it's off in Tiger by default, too. Honestly, I have no idea - it may normally be fantastic. All I can say for sure is that it appears to be less configurable than the Windows firewall or anything you'd find on a router last time I checked in it's spot in System Prefs (I'd VNC home to double-check but something's gone funny on that end, so I'll comment with more certainty in a couple hours).

Maybe the firewall config is the one thing I really haven't quite switched over to expecting Mac-like simplicity yet since I'm so used to playing with all of the port forwarding rules and such in my router. Normally that simplicity works really well for me, but with something as complex as a firewall, it just seems overdone.
ChiperSoft 1st November 2007, 20:56 Quote
Like many *nix systems, the GUI for OSXs firewall doesn't touch on it's full potential. You have to dive into the .conf files to really configure it. OSX Server's GUI is much more powerful, but that's because they want you to pay for it.
The_Beast 2nd November 2007, 01:56 Quote
there isn't any surprise here

Apple release this OS too soon
dyzophoria 2nd November 2007, 02:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by iwog
It never rains but it pours. Now if only the fan boys could stop claiming superiority then the world would be a better place, especailly if every OS user would accept that they are inferior to every other OS user in some way.

I find this the comment with the most sense.
Gravemind123 2nd November 2007, 03:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
there isn't any surprise here

Apple release this OS too soon

And yet it was already delayed. I really wish I had a Mac that I could try this out on. I've used Tiger enough to get a feel for it, and have enjoyed using. Sure there are issues, but that's true of any OS, but it goes to show that not even Apple is perfect, despite what fanboys say. I'm sure they'll have a fix for these issues soon, unless they really want to look more like Microsoft usually does!
Woodstock 2nd November 2007, 05:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da Dego
At least SOMEONE got Phil's subtle joke. I personally found it entertaining. :)

i got it to, but i groaned alot
RTT 2nd November 2007, 15:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Firehed
All I can say for sure is that it appears to be less configurable than the Windows firewall or anything you'd find on a router last time I checked in it's spot in System Prefs (I'd VNC home to double-check but something's gone funny on that end, so I'll comment with more certainty in a couple hours).

Maybe the firewall config is the one thing I really haven't quite switched over to expecting Mac-like simplicity yet since I'm so used to playing with all of the port forwarding rules and such in my router. Normally that simplicity works really well for me, but with something as complex as a firewall, it just seems overdone.

Ah yeah, sure, there's no front end to speak of other than what is in Sys Prefs, but there are a number of apps you can get hold of that provide a GUI.
Like I said, it's fully featured so there's nothing you can't do with it that you can with windows/routers/whatever - it's the basis of m0n0wall, for example. Of course you can skip the GUI stuff and just edit the rule sets via CLI, but a lot of people wont want to do that ;)
rhuitron 3rd November 2007, 16:09 Quote
Hey, do you guys/gals remember when All the Apple Idiots started tagging Microsoft Vista like it was the corner Bird/Whore?

It's like watching the Apple spoofs all over again, but this time, Apple ass hats cant say a damn thing, because their "Superior" OS now is in the Shits.

Apple Sucks. I hate with a Passion that of the intensity of a thousand suns. :(:(>:(
The cheapskate 5th November 2007, 15:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by rhuitron
Hey, do you guys/gals remember when All the Apple Idiots started tagging Microsoft Vista like it was the corner Bird/Whore?

It's like watching the Apple spoofs all over again, but this time, Apple ass hats cant say a damn thing, because their "Superior" OS now is in the Shits.

Apple Sucks. I hate with a Passion that of the intensity of a thousand suns. :(:(>:(

You sir, Are an Idiot.
rhuitron 5th November 2007, 19:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by The cheapskate
You sir, Are an Idiot.

I couldnt expect much from a guy that has A signature that only says "VAIO".

Hey, have you ever played this awesome game called..............Oh wait. That's right.
You havent. Becaue you own a sony. And support the next thing to it, which is as useful for gaming as a desk lamp.
And you can't say you dont support Apple casue you called me and idiot.
Also you cant say that SONY computers are supper good at Pc gaming.
Believe me, I know. Sometimes I have to fix those great designs (Flaws) that sony has. :(


And if you want to argue office apps, I'm sorry, but even a stupid palm pilot can do apps. So I would'nt be impressed.

So all together, Apple still sucks and Sony goes along with it.
Heck, I'll even go as far to say, that Microsoft, Who is mainly a software company, made a console that beat the siht out of sony. Xbox.
I dont own one, becasue I play games on Pc's, but it really is a good Console. And kicks sony in the balls.
I still find my self giggling at the crap they tried to pull with that stupid card game they want to make for the console. :o
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