Leopard boasts over 300 new features over Tiger and previous OS'

Leopard boasts over 300 new features over Tiger and previous OS'

Well, if you're a devout Apple fan boy then you probably already know the news, but we'll post it all the same. That's just how we roll here at bit-tech. Leopard, AKA Mac OS X v10.5, has finally been released.

Leopard is the sixth major release of the Mac OS X operating system and is the successor to Tiger, the previous version. It will go on sale for around $129 or £85, though student and family pack versions will also be available.

Impressively, Apple is offering a cheap upgrade option for anyone who has bought a new Mac between October 1st or December 29th this year, allowing them to upgrade to Leopard for just $9.95, or around £5.

Apple reckons that Leopard contains over 300 new features and enhancements over previous versions of the OS, including 64-bit support on all applications, which should run on all Tiger-supporting Macs.

One of the most disappointing new features however is...The Time Machine!, which turns out to actually just be an automated back-up tool which regularly runs to prevent you losing files. Early reports that this function would require flux capacitor hardware were unveiled to be utter rubbish.

Most obvious among the changes is the new desktop however, which uses a new menu bar on the bottom of the screen and 'stacks'. Stacks do what they say on the tin and allow users to create piles of icons and documents, keeping everything tidy. The system automatically collects your downloads in one stack by default though, so you may want to fiddle with that option if you're downloading stuff you want to keep...uh, private.

Will you be picking up a new version and, if so what license? Do you use a Mac regularly, or are you a PC user through and through? Let us know in the forums.
Quote BioSniper 26th October 2007, 15:13
Apple's OS pricing schemes are one that MS could learn from IMO. Lower costs are a GOOD thing.
Quote cjoyce1980 26th October 2007, 15:15
all i need is a new mac book and i can download pron at full speed
Quote Firehed 26th October 2007, 15:29
Headed out around 4:30 today to get some pics of sweaty geeks before I join the line myself. On second thought... maybe I'll skip the first step. Well, camera's already in the car, so we'll see :/
Quote kylew 26th October 2007, 15:31
"Leopard boasts over 300 new features over Tiger and previous OS' "

That would be "OSes" apostrophes aren't used for plurals ;), Good article though. :)
Quote Bursar 26th October 2007, 15:33
Bio: Are the precies really lower? Is having to pay for fixes and a few new features every 6 months better than buying an OS once and getting your patches and updates for free?
Quote woodshop 26th October 2007, 15:36
i pre ordered off amazon for $20 off, should arrive monday which is fine cause thats when the USB drive arrives that i need to do the backup before nuke and pave. lol.

I to found the Time Machine rather disappointing... but my #1 feature is "RSS in Mail" FINALLY.
Quote Jamie 26th October 2007, 15:39
The new version of Safari is excellent! In all, the user experience is much improved over Tiger.
Quote Firehed 26th October 2007, 15:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Bio: Are the precies really lower? Is having to pay for fixes and a few new features every 6 months better than buying an OS once and getting your patches and updates for free?
Six months? It's been two years, and the new features are actually functional. Unlike waiting 6 years for Vista, getting some transparencies and a flawed and irritating UAC system.

Now I'm not going to pretend that the 300+ features are all worth mentioning, but the top ten alone are worth $15 each which covers the cost of the OS and then a bit. And you can buy the family pack if you've got multiple users and pay only $40/user.
Quote RTT 26th October 2007, 15:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Bio: Are the precies really lower? Is having to pay for fixes and a few new features every 6 months better than buying an OS once and getting your patches and updates for free?

Whaaa? :? OS X 'updates' are major revisions and the last time a major revision was released (10.4 Tiger) was over two years ago, and 10.3 was two years before that!

In the time between XP and Vista, upgrading through 10.1 to 10.5 will have cost you less than buying (retail copies of) XP Pro and then Vista Ultimate, FYI :D
Quote pillow 26th October 2007, 15:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Bio: Are the precies really lower? Is having to pay for fixes and a few new features every 6 months better than buying an OS once and getting your patches and updates for free?

my macbook updates itself for free. wasn't tiger released 2 years ago, thats a lil more than 6 months. so what are you talking about? so yes the prices are different.
i think the student discount should be more than 15 dollars, but thats just me.
Quote Da Dego 26th October 2007, 15:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bursar
Bio: Are the precies really lower? Is having to pay for fixes and a few new features every 6 months better than buying an OS once and getting your patches and updates for free?

Being as Tiger (10.4) was released almost 2.5 years ago to the day, I fail to see what you're asking...It's been patched and fixed regularly for the whole period via a system quite similar to Windows Update (minus the breaking itself thing)?
Quote RTT 26th October 2007, 15:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by pillow

i think the student discount should be more than 15 dollars, but thats just me.

Depending on where you are, check if your school has its own Apple Education Store - it will often cheaper than using the 'Global' Apple Education Store. Schools can actually set their own pricing for certain Apple products and Apple software is one of those :)
Quote Firehed 26th October 2007, 15:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Dego
Being as Tiger (10.4) was released almost 2.5 years ago to the day, I fail to see what you're asking...It's been patched and fixed regularly for the whole period via a system quite similar to Windows Update (minus the breaking itself thing)?
Too true. Most Windows users think of the major revisions as service packs of sorts, but that's really not the case. Service packs are really supposed to be collections of patches, which is what the minor revisions really are. It's more like Panther had through SP9 released, and Tiger is coming up on SP11. They're just smaller and more frequent. New features aren't supposed to be service pack things (firewall settings in XPSP2 notwithstanding, as that's really a security thing more than a feature), and Leopard is about new features, not bug fixes. Unless you consider UI irritations to be bugs.
Quote Bluephoenix 26th October 2007, 16:33
I'll still stick to my PC and Vista, where I actually have control of the hardware.

only way I'll ever use leopard is if I really feel the urge to buy a copy to run as OSX86 (perfectly doable using VMs as long as you have a licensed copy)
Quote TheVoice 26th October 2007, 16:34
My housemate got Leopard today, and has installed it on his two Macs. Says he's not hugely impressed, quite underwhelmed, disappointed there aren't more new (and obvious) features and little additions. Vista was more impressive, apparently.
Quote Ramble 26th October 2007, 16:36
New menu bar at the bottom? Don't you mean either new menu bar at the top or new dock at the bottom.

Leopard, not really worth asking me, of course I wont get it, Vista already does it all already.
Quote sotu1 26th October 2007, 18:27
the multiple desktops looks to be the most useful thing for me. means i can use one for web browsing, one for photoshopping, another for media. less clutter per desktop and a lot more tidyness :D major bonus. really major bonus.
Quote Robotrix 26th October 2007, 19:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by BioSniper
Apple's OS pricing schemes are one that MS could learn from IMO. Lower costs are a GOOD thing.
Really? You mean Microsoft should start charging for their service packs?
Quote pillow 26th October 2007, 20:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robotrix
Really? You mean Microsoft should start charging for their service packs?
apple charges for updates i did not realize that? on my macbook everything has updated for FREE. the last update (os) was tiger over two years ago. so unless your calling updating the operating updates, they come out every 2 years and are new os, like vista, but much cheaper. also, you may not have complete control over the exact brand of motherboard or videocard that goes into the macbook, but you can still decide on ram, processor. You can still choose different processors, and amount of hd space or ram that goes in.

the school im at has no apple store, although were i live there is one, and my parents work at the university there so i might be able to get it cheaper back home, ill be back for thanksgiving.
Quote Fr4nk 26th October 2007, 20:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
I'll still stick to my PC and Vista, where I actually have control of the hardware.

only way I'll ever use leopard is if I really feel the urge to buy a copy to run as OSX86 (perfectly doable using VMs as long as you have a licensed copy)

I'll still stick to my PC and OSX86 :p

Speaking of which - gonna try to port the kernel/kext's from 9A257 onto the final - should be fun! xD

/Fr4nk
Quote K 26th October 2007, 21:56
Been on it a lot today. Had A LOT of people buy it. Think that the interface in general is greatly improved over Tiger, which is an achievement in itself. The new Finder with Quick Look is just ridiculously useful. Spaces has to be the best implementation I've seen of virtual desktops so far, to be blunt, it's fast-as-****. Get my copy on Monday. Can't wait. If I wasn't getting it for free I'd definitely have bought it today, and been more than happy it.
Quote Cabe64 26th October 2007, 23:46
I'm planning on picking it up tomorrow. According to my reciept I got my MacBook on the 9th of October so I should get the £5 upgrade.
Quote K 27th October 2007, 00:01
You have to do the Up-To-Date programme through the Apple Online Store, not in a Retail Store. Just to save you the journey if that's what you were expecting by dropping in to Buchanan St. I mean.

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/uptodate/
Quote wuyanxu 27th October 2007, 00:31
can i just ask a question: (i had a long arguement with a very good friend, who is a Mac lover, about this while waiting for Crysis to download)
how does Leopard manage to run 32bit in 64bit kernel?

i thought, from the 64bit article, that 32bit requires some sort of emulation. but on Wikipedia, they said no need for emulation software.

my friend said they are run in universal mode, which i said is another word for "32bit emulation". but he just refuse to believe me instead of the Apple marketing websites.
Quote OleJ 27th October 2007, 02:44
Writing this from a MBP: Look you mac-loving fanboys wetting your pants. Stop it already!

The price of Windows XP (2001): approx. $200
The price of Windows Vista Ult. (2007): approx. $200
We are of course talking OEM licenses as this is only a fair assumption.

Of course it should also only be a fair assumption that XP came with your PC just like you got OSX 10.0 with your mac. So that's $200 in total on the PC.

Let's even say you bought Vista Ultimate Retail... That would be around $500? Giving you a total of: $500 (Org OS, Service packs, new OS, etc. included)

Lets say you were upgrading according to Apples release scheme:
I presume the price has been the same each year. At the moment it's $129.
We are fair and assume that you got X 10.0 with your hardware so that's $129 saved there.

Then there has been five more iterations of "Big Cats". Each running at $129
Hmmm... 5 times 129... can it be? Could it be that it is more than "Vista Ultimate Super Deluxe 2000+ Extra Special Double Glacing"?

Lets even pretend that the Mac guy has been studying for the full 6 years (he must be darn close to a candidate degree soon we hope) that would amount to: 5x129= 645 x0.85 = $548.25

So stop the fanboying. It doesn't look good on anyone.

And yes I do really like my MBP and I think OS X does some things better than Windows :)
Quote Fly 27th October 2007, 15:39
No Flux Capacitor!!! Great Scott!!
Quote Kipman725 27th October 2007, 20:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
can i just ask a question: (i had a long arguement with a very good friend, who is a Mac lover, about this while waiting for Crysis to download)
how does Leopard manage to run 32bit in 64bit kernel?

i thought, from the 64bit article, that 32bit requires some sort of emulation. but on Wikipedia, they said no need for emulation software.

my friend said they are run in universal mode, which i said is another word for "32bit emulation". but he just refuse to believe me instead of the Apple marketing websites.


A 64bit cpu is fully capable of proccesing 32bit,16bit and 8bit instructions and if used as a genral purpose pc will spend almost all its time doing as such. As for the kernal I know nothing about them but just because a cpu is 64bit dosen't mean it loses the capabilty to proccess shorter instructions.
Quote Ramble 27th October 2007, 20:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipman725
A 64bit cpu is fully capable of proccesing 32bit,16bit and 8bit instructions and if used as a genral purpose pc will spend almost all its time doing as such. As for the kernal I know nothing about them but just because a cpu is 64bit dosen't mean it loses the capabilty to proccess shorter instructions.

But in leopard all the libraries, Cocoa and such are fully 64-bit. It'd be kind of confusing for a 32-bit application to rely on 64-bit libraries?
Quote aon`aTv.gsus666 27th October 2007, 22:01
The next person to say Tiger was 2 years ago should be banned and/or beaten up...

Got some friends telling me like every day how unbelievably godlike OSX is but I still don't feel the need to get an IMO (and please no flaming, it's just MY OPINION) overpriced piece of hardware to run an OS I don't really see to be that much better than Windows.
Quote desertstalker 28th October 2007, 02:00
I suspect OSX would handle running 32 bit apps on a 64bit kernel and libs in the same way that Linux/Unix does. You have 2 sets of the key libraries one for 32-bit and one for 64-bit so that any legacy apps can still access the 32-bit libs. There would also need to be provisions in the kernel to allow 32-bit execution (simple option in Linux kernel, I don't know for sure but suspect it is the same for Unix)
Quote Ramble 28th October 2007, 10:08
The only thing I hate about Apple is the rabid fanboys.
Quote Cobalt 28th October 2007, 13:23
Forgive me for my ingorance but there seems to be an argument over when Tiger was released. What the hell is that about?
Quote mikealex 28th October 2007, 13:33
I'm suprised that the Mac vs. PC debate hasn't gotten violent on this forum yet. Although it's a matter of taste, I personally prefer Mac and I think that Leopard is great. Apple took a good thing and made it better.
Quote CardJoe 28th October 2007, 15:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikealex
I personally prefer Mac and I think that Leopard is great. Apple took a good thing and made it better.

Hm. You're lucky we have a mac user in charge of the ban-hammer. ;)
Quote mikealex 28th October 2007, 17:24
I'm not trying to knock windows. It certainly has made plenty of people very happy. Windows, OSX, I also use Linux, they all have their ups and downs. But out of them I prefer OSX. That doesn't mean that I think Windows is bad. For one, it is MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to program for.
Quote Cobalt 28th October 2007, 17:50
Ironically for a new media business we have 2 macs in use (a couple of others which are being used as coffe table legs at the moment). One in the office is used for the few applications which we absolutly cannot get a decent windows equivalent of, and the other the boss takes to customers and the conferences we run to make all the executives feel more comfortable about us.

Macs were just too expensive when the business was getting setup, so PC waas the way to go. We actually have some original Dell PCs floating around. Since we have always used PCs there was no motive to change even as we got bigger. When I compare the prices of PC worksations to the equivalent powermac, I still can't justify the price premium. Especially when we get such cheap windows licences thanks to our ties to MS.
Quote chrisuk 28th October 2007, 21:44
I just got leopard and finished installing and playing around. Not overly impressed, there isn't that much thats really obviously and the dock feels slightly more sluggish. Time Machine is VERY cool and I haven't noticed it working away in the background which is a bonus. Still, I felt EXACTLY the same about Vista - a whole lot of meh. At the end of the day an OS should do what it says on the tin, which OSX does, as does Vista (to some extent, r.e. performance ratings, turning effects on/off automatically/by default etc.)

I prefer the mac experience to the windows one, and don't mind the slight premium to have that. At the end of the day if I'm pleased with my mac, and someone else is pleased with there dell/hp/asus machine then everyone's a winner, right?
Quote Nikumba 29th October 2007, 07:43
Ive not used OSX for a while now, but it sounds like this new one is much the same as Vista a pretier GUI, tweaks under the hood and some new toys.

I also think the problem is in terms of OS dev we have reached a platau of sorts, back in the early days there was a lot of innovation to be had and the desktops started to get prettier more functional. But now regardless of which OS you use, you have a start button, a task bar and a desktop. As a population I think we have got to lazy to learn a new interface and a new way of using our PCs. People now just want to switch it on and it to work they dont want to have to learn a how new way of operating a PC.

Kimbie
Quote Jamie 29th October 2007, 09:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikumba
But now regardless of which OS you use, you have a start button, a task bar and a desktop.

I don't have a start button :?
Quote RTT 29th October 2007, 09:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
I don't have a start button :?

What? OS X has always had a start button! :?
Quote Garside 29th October 2007, 12:51
I got my mac book pro from Apple refurb, does that mean I am entitled to the cheap upgrade?
Quote Firehed 29th October 2007, 14:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by K
Been on it a lot today. Had A LOT of people buy it. Think that the interface in general is greatly improved over Tiger, which is an achievement in itself. The new Finder with Quick Look is just ridiculously useful. Spaces has to be the best implementation I've seen of virtual desktops so far, to be blunt, it's fast-as-****. Get my copy on Monday. Can't wait. If I wasn't getting it for free I'd definitely have bought it today, and been more than happy it.
Wanna know a sweet secret? The show-all-windows Expose' (F9 by default?) works when you're in the spaces overview. It's window management on steroids. And yeah, I don't even understand how they get that kind of stuff to run as smoothly as they do - not that I'm complaining.

All these people saying they made it more pretty like Vista clearly haven't even contemplated trying it. Don't get me wrong - Vista has its upsides and I still think it handles network shares a lot better (as far back as I can remember this has been the case... even Win98 or so handled network shares better than Leopard) which is a pet peeve of mine, and let's not forget gaming. But stuff like quick look, in-icon document previews, and all that good stuff is just SO much better than any previous implementation on any platform.

I must say that my wireless connection seems a touch less stable than before upgrading, however I've been pushing a LOT more data through it in the last week or so and recently replaced my router, so that may not be the fault of the new software. And TBH, Vista was exactly the same way for me when I'd upgraded my PC.
Quote K 29th October 2007, 17:40
Sweet tip mate, I'll have to try that on Wednesday with hundreds of windows open in all 16 spaces on the Mac Pro :D
Quote sotu1 29th October 2007, 18:43
already got windows XP boot camped on my OSX, anyone know if upgrading to Leopard will affect my original installation?

for the sake of argument, thery're pretty much both as good as each other in terms of daily use, but max OSs provide me a helluva lot less hassle and grief. mac for daily use, windows for games :D make peace, not silly platform wars (sorry, far too tired to come up with a suitably funny ending line...)
Quote K 29th October 2007, 22:03
sotu1: All you'll need to do is install some new drivers in XP from the Leopard disc once you've upgraded from 10.4 to 10.5. No problemo.

And I totally agree with your end point. I'm on an XP machine right now after about 3 hours of Counter-Strike. Dunno what I'd do without it.
Quote Jamie 30th October 2007, 17:10
I only ran boot camp for steam :)
Quote marscay 1st November 2007, 14:12
in terms of desktop candy, i'll take Compiz-Fuzion anyday of the week over OSX or Vista.

it's free and smoking fast and stable with the latest build....what's more you can tinker to your hearts content.

Vista/XP for gaming and linux for destop suits me just fine.
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