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Bit-tech launches Android app

Bit-tech launches Android app

The bit-tech Android app in action

Today we're excited to announce the launch of bit-tech's first mobile app. Available for Android phones, the app makes your favourite site easy to read on the go, and and has a host of mobile-focussed features.

Most exciting is that it optimises the forums for easy use on your phone, thanks to Tapatalk integration, something that previously you had to buy the Tapatalk app for. This means you can keep up to date with the latest discussions as well as being able to join in and add your comments on news stories and browse an Android-optimised version of the site, all from one app. Incidentally, you can do all this for the same price as the standalone Tapatalk app.

You can also add sections of the site to your favourite list so that you can easily follow the areas you're most interested in, or favourite individual articles if you want to come back to them quickly at a later point. As you'd expect it's easy to share bit-tech content via Facebook, Twitter, email and all the other social network services the cool kids are using these days. The app also features built-in support for the mighty bit-tech and CPC podcast.

You might remember we ran a beta test for the app back in the spring; since then we've worked hard to improve the app both in terms of features and performance. Unlike a lot of apps, which are developed by third parties, Dennis Publishing has decided to build its own internal team to create apps - and it's lead by ex Custom PC and bit-tech editor Alex Watson. We think having an internal team will make for higher quality apps that serve the readers better.

The bit-tech app is the first product of this new team and we're hoping for it to be a big success. If you've got an Android phone, please do check it out, and if you like it, leave us a nice review. It's the best way for new people to discover the app and bit-tech content.

The app is on sale in the Android marketplace now for £1.79; please check it out and let us know what you think.

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wuyanxu 7th July 2011, 14:28 Quote
cue the iOS backlash....

(oh wait, iOS users don't troll posts that have nothing to do with them)


nice on bit-tech ;)
SighMoan 7th July 2011, 14:30 Quote
£1.79? Ha ha.
will_123 7th July 2011, 14:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
cue the iOS backlash....

(oh wait, iOS users don't troll posts that have nothing to do with them)


nice on bit-tech ;)

Out of interest what OS are you using currently?
do_it_anyway 7th July 2011, 14:30 Quote
Quote:
£1.79.

This might be your stumbling block
proxess 7th July 2011, 14:31 Quote
It's a bit much, bit-tech...
steveo_mcg 7th July 2011, 14:34 Quote
I often think this is the difference between iOS/Android users. (Almost) Every thing in the App store costs at least 80p so iOS users think nothing of paying whilst Android users have been conditioned to expect ad supported so paying is a slightly alien concept.

£2 isn't dear to use the site with out ads.
Lance 7th July 2011, 14:34 Quote
Good idea. Will be interested in a iPhone version if it works for the android.
reflux 7th July 2011, 14:34 Quote
Hmmm, it's not free? :( I'm not one to moan, but competing apps from other tech sites (e.g. Engadget) are.
EvilMerc 7th July 2011, 14:35 Quote
Well considering Tapatalk costs roughly the same, it's not too bad. I'm undecided as to whether I'll get it as my Desire is just about capable of browsing the forums directly. Those with lower end Androids might appreciate the convenience more.
Sc0rian 7th July 2011, 14:36 Quote
wow, i'm a bit shocked it costs..
Floyd 7th July 2011, 14:36 Quote
If it was free, sure.
I dont pay for apps. Free Apps for life!
coolius 7th July 2011, 14:39 Quote
Glad you've finally appreciated Android, but not many people will pay for the right to access free content!
You need an ad-support version!
Boogle 7th July 2011, 14:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floyd
If it was free, sure.
I dont pay for apps. Free Apps for life!

I don't pay for whatever it is you work on at work. Whatever you work on, free for life!
docodine 7th July 2011, 14:42 Quote
$.04 cheaper than the actual Tapatalk app..

Hmm....
BradShort 7th July 2011, 14:43 Quote
Got to echo the sentiments above, If you want footfall on the forums, and you chose an app to help with that, then that is a marketing ploy and thus should be ad supported or budgeted from within,
GamingHobo 7th July 2011, 14:43 Quote
£1.79 isn't much to ask. It's a one-off payment for content without ads. Consider what else you've spent £2 on recently and then ask whether it's good value or not.
Zurechial 7th July 2011, 14:44 Quote
Judging by the screenshots, this delivers bit-tech content to our phones without the standard ads, right?
In that case, the price seems fair; even if the "SUBSCRIBE TO CPC" button on the main menu is a bit obnoxious and reeks of bit-tech being used as a platform to sell CPC to us; but I'm slowly getting used to that, for better or worse.

I don't find myself away from a computer that often lately though, and when I am away I don't find myself in dire need of bit-tech access on-the-go. Maybe if my circumstances changed I'd find this more appealing for the price.
I don't think £1.79 is unreasonable for what amounts to an ad-free subscription to bit-tech in mobile format.
tonyd223 7th July 2011, 14:47 Quote
I pay a subscription to the mag and you sent me a crappy tool kit
You publish on the web site what I pay to get in the magazine
- now you want me to pay for an app when engadget is free?

- eat my balls!
oatey4519 7th July 2011, 14:50 Quote
For months myself and others have been asking where's the App with no reply......
Then wham here it is and it's going to cost cost you £1.79

Is it an App that will improve my phone or help me out if i need it to...? No
So no thanks i'll stick to the same info in your Mag and website.
For the amount of people that will actually use it after a certain time it should of been Free.
and no i'm not tight, just gutted.
tonyd223 7th July 2011, 14:51 Quote
and worse - you don't even have joined up customer management - you can't link my login here with the fact that I do pay for the magazine - or how often I hit the site which you generate ad revenue from - and because you have no total customer view you can't even offer your most valuable customers the app for free - because you don't know who we are...
Almightyrastus 7th July 2011, 14:52 Quote
So when does the beta version stop working?
oatey4519 7th July 2011, 14:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyd223
I pay a subscription to the mag and you sent me a crappy tool kit
You publish on the web site what I pay to get in the magazine
- now you want me to pay for an app when engadget is free?

- eat my balls!

I forgot about that - i agree!!
I forgot i've cancelled your magazine last month because you publish it on the website.
This is the way of the world now.
Very disappointed.
Lizard 7th July 2011, 14:57 Quote
I've just added a small ammendment to the second paragraph that hopefully will help to explain better why the app costs what it does; specifically the built in Tapatalk forum support.
Stelph 7th July 2011, 14:57 Quote
Not wanting to cause offence/flaming but TBH Bit Tech this is the standard Response to bringing out an Android App which costs anything more than free!

Any news on an iOS version?
coolius 7th July 2011, 15:02 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizard
I've just added a small ammendment to the second paragraph that hopefully will help to explain better why the app costs what it does; specifically the built in Tapatalk forum support.

Thanks for the clarification, I for one will be happy to buy the app to show my support for the site and the mag!
Fingers66 7th July 2011, 15:02 Quote
Well I thought that for £1.79, I'd try it out.

No marketplace support? WTF?

Tapatalk supports access to the MP...guess I'll continue using that instead.
Zurechial 7th July 2011, 15:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by oatey4519
I forgot about that - i agree!!
I forgot i've cancelled your magazine last month because you publish it on the website.
This is the way of the world now.
Very disappointed.

I don't mean to say that your complaint isn't justified - But there are plenty of long-time bit-tech readers from before the CPC days who feel similarly bitter over the strong impression that content is being witheld from the site in favour of the printed magazine.

I think we're really starting to see the bitter fruits of what some of us expected/predicted when the merger was announced - That neither the existing CPC subscribers nor the bit-tech faithful really benefit from the merger at all in the long-run.
Who are the winners here? Felix Dennis and the other financial decision-makers/beneficiaries, of course.
Bauul 7th July 2011, 15:05 Quote
To be honest, even though I often browse the site on my Desire, the small screen size and ads have never bothered me.

In fact, even though I downloaded the beta, I barely used it after the first few days.

I appreciate if there are no ads you'll need to charge for it, but remember Android is a Google platform, it's all about being free and ad supported.
steveo_mcg 7th July 2011, 15:15 Quote
Does the integrated Tap talk work on other sites? It might help to sweeten the deal so to speak if Tap talk was effectively thrown in.... ;)
chrisb2e9 7th July 2011, 15:20 Quote
Being one of the last few people on the planet earth using win mobile 6.1 this doesn't change anything for me. But I don't understand how it isn't ad supported and free at the same time. Would make more sense to have a large base of users bring in revinue over time then a small amount of users one time buying the app.

Its like this, I will give you a penny a day for life. or 10.00$ right now in a one shot deal. which would you rather?


I will get an android phone at some point, or a win7. But either way I'll just browse from the browser.
oatey4519 7th July 2011, 15:21 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zurechial
I don't mean to say that your complaint isn't justified - But there are plenty of long-time bit-tech readers from before the CPC days who feel similarly bitter over the strong impression that content is being witheld from the site in favour of the printed magazine.

I think we're really starting to see the bitter fruits of what some of us expected/predicted when the merger was announced - That neither the existing CPC subscribers nor the bit-tech faithful really benefit from the merger at all in the long-run.
Who are the winners here? Felix Dennis and the other financial decision-makers/beneficiaries, of course.

Oh no i do agree with you.
I to am a long term subscriber/Buyer of Custom PC.
But i'm an also out of work at the moment & my subscription had to go due to costs and the repeating of material.
By looking at the App page for this it's the same:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.dennis.bittech
I have an App on my Desire for XDA Dev which uses Tapatalk - it's free or .62p for a non Ad version. (i use the free one)

If it's money the publishers wanted to make then then why not go with the flow/OS people who pay through the nose for their Apps/phone.

Shame really.:(
x5pilot 7th July 2011, 15:22 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
I often think this is the difference between iOS/Android users. (Almost) Every thing in the App store costs at least 80p so iOS users think nothing of paying whilst Android users have been conditioned to expect ad supported so paying is a slightly alien concept.
.

Agree with above....
However... well done Bit-Tech - this is the first Andriod App I've ever bought since owning the phone over a year now ;)
tonyd223 7th July 2011, 15:23 Quote
at least you haven't tried to hack my mobile voicemail...

My Desire doesn't like the website - get increasing page widths because of the background images...
SexyHyde 7th July 2011, 15:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyd223
I pay a subscription to the mag and you sent me a crappy tool kit
You publish on the web site what I pay to get in the magazine
- now you want me to pay for an app when engadget is free?

- eat my balls!

+1. although id prefer to teabag you, if possible.

yeah tapatalk works on quite a few sites (Access to 10,000+ forums) so charging pretty much the same for a "one-site-wonder" doesnt really make sence. upto 60p and i might have considered, but i can use my phone browser for free so i'll just stick with that.
longweight 7th July 2011, 15:36 Quote
Bought it.

Played with it.

Refund :D

£1.79 for that?

longweight 7th July 2011, 15:37 Quote
Oh and also why no full screen option? I really enjoy wasting the top bit of my screen with the status bar when in an app.....
mongpong 7th July 2011, 15:42 Quote
Hmm I can view the site very well on my Galaxy S so think I'll give it a miss. If your site is free and your app is replicating articles on the free site why are you charging for the app?
Sifter3000 7th July 2011, 15:46 Quote
Thanks for the comments. Alex here, ex of this parish and now in charge of the apps.

Some interesting points; the one I really agree with is having a unified account system that would allow us to identify subscribers and then give them access/benefits across print/mobile/web. Problem with that is the cost and complexity of building it and then integrating it with all the existing systems - subscriber database, bit-tech accounts, forum DB, Android market etc - it's a huge amount of work which takes a lot of time and cost. That means a lot of internal debate and delays; ultimately, we chose to get the app out there, make it as good as possible and then we'll iterate and improve.
nilesfoundglory 7th July 2011, 15:49 Quote
Here's a genius idea: Why don't you just make a few tweaks to your web design so it's mobile friendly or just make a mobile mirror site? Why go through all the effort to make an app when a few hours with Dreamweaver will do the trick?
tehgypsy 7th July 2011, 15:50 Quote
F41L.
longweight 7th July 2011, 15:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilesfoundglory
Here's a genius idea: Why don't you just make a few tweaks to your web design so it's mobile friendly or just make a mobile mirror site? Why go through all the effort to make an app when a few hours with Dreamweaver will do the trick?

Surely only a tech savvy website would do this? Oh wait.....
PlayedStation 7th July 2011, 15:53 Quote
a chicken and bacon sandwich i just had for lunch cost me £2.40.

quit moaning and put it into perspective. If you like the website, consider it a donation, its hard time for publishing companies now days and it's hardly alot of money.
Combatus 7th July 2011, 16:01 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayedStation
a chicken and bacon sandwich i just had for lunch cost me £2.40.

quit moaning and put it into perspective. If you like the website, consider it a donation, its hard time for publishing companies now days and it's hardly alot of money.

+1
longweight 7th July 2011, 16:05 Quote
It is for an Android app, publishing costs may well be high but that should be reflected in the cost of the CPC magazine not in the price of the Bit Tech app.

I like the forum so I use Tapatalk which lets me access many other forums too :D

Website? Articles are no better really than the others that come up on google search results as far as I can see.
tonyd223 7th July 2011, 16:22 Quote
a donation to the hard working publishing company? are you out of your mind? You don't think they turn my clicks on the website into money? You don't think that the money I pay in subs to the magazine is used to sell advertising space to all the companies out there who want me to look at their ads?

I used to work in print, and I know that a very small amount of the magazine costs are paid for by subs - it's all advertising revenue...

I have a Desire - what do I need another app for that takes up the small memory space that doesn't give me anything over what regular web access does?

...and to end this foolishness I just had a chicken and tomato pasta, melon and mango fruit bowl and a bottle of fresh orange juice of £3.39 - go Boots meal deal!
HourBeforeDawn 7th July 2011, 16:27 Quote
* bought
* looked at
* refunded...

sorry this is not worth anything, not going to spend money on something I can just browse to on my phone for free...

Put it up on the Amazon Market Place so I can watch for it to go free app of the day... then I will get it.
billysielu 7th July 2011, 16:45 Quote
I think I *might* try it if it was free, otherwise, no ty.
longweight 7th July 2011, 16:47 Quote
It is free for 15 minutes ;) you can get a refund for up to 15 minutes after purchasing!
Fingers66 7th July 2011, 16:55 Quote
I missed out on being able to get a refund as I took too long trying it out, oh well, consider it a donation.

Despite it logging you in to the forum, there is no integration of your forum account (no MP access & no access to PM's).

I might use it to browse the odd article whilst on the train but I reckon I'll be using Tapatalk instead given it has more functionality for my requirements.
Jack_Pepsi 7th July 2011, 17:07 Quote
WAHEY!

Excellent stuff guys, use it daily!
timmehtimmeh 7th July 2011, 17:38 Quote
£1.79 no thanks. Free with the odd advert, i'm in! :)
Floyd 7th July 2011, 17:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boogle
I don't pay for whatever it is you work on at work. Whatever you work on, free for life!

Why pay for this app when I can just browse on my PC or Android browser?
Just seems like a silly thing to charge for something thats already free.
Velkro 7th July 2011, 17:56 Quote
I allready use Tapatalk for forum and Doggcatcher for feeds and potcasts I cant really see what else this would offer other than an annoying subscribe button to something i have been subscribing to since issue 3.

If it was to offer a e-book copy of the mag to complement the subscription for subscribers then it may have been worth it.

As it is I see no use for it at present even if it was free.
kzinti1 7th July 2011, 18:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyd223
I pay a subscription to the mag and you sent me a crappy tool kit
You publish on the web site what I pay to get in the magazine
- now you want me to pay for an app when engadget is free?

- eat my balls!

I heartily agree.
I'd much rather you didn't munch upon my testicles, though. Certainly not for the cheap price of 1 pound 79! For that price I would have to read advertising copy to you.
But seriously. I own an ASUS Transformer tablet and have no use at all for anything other than a cell phone from which I can dial "911" for emergencies. I don't even need a service for that, just a cell phone with a charged battery. That's the law here in the U.S.
Accessing your site through iGoogle on my tablet is all I need when away from home. And I don't even do that.
13eightyfour 7th July 2011, 19:23 Quote
is this why i cant connect to bit-tech via tapatalk anymore? everything was fine until yesterday now i get the 'failed to connect to forum, please check with the forum admin if the problem persists' error everytime i try to connect.

I really hope this isnt the case tbh but the way things are atm i wouldnt be surprised.
Kacela 7th July 2011, 19:57 Quote
Why doesn't bit-tech maintain the stuff they should be maintaining (like the PC Buyer's Guides) before they add a new crap app?
<A88> 7th July 2011, 20:04 Quote
So I've been visiting Bit-Tech for over 7 years, never had to pay a penny and never really had any intrusive ad problems. £1.79 is half a friggin pint for an optimised, ad-free, mobile version of free content and includes another service which in itself costs just as much as this app; how bloody stingy do you have to be to complain about this?
Woodspoon 7th July 2011, 20:08 Quote
downloaded, installed and waiting to be impressed.
longweight 7th July 2011, 20:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by <A88>
So I've been visiting Bit-Tech for over 7 years, never had to pay a penny and never really had any intrusive ad problems. £1.79 is half a friggin pint for an optimised, ad-free, mobile version of free content and includes another service which in itself costs just as much as this app; how bloody stingy do you have to be to complain about this?

Its not stingy just a lot of money to ask for an Android app that doesn't really add much?
GiantKiwi 7th July 2011, 20:20 Quote
you know the life expectancy of a paid app before someone releases the apk to a download site right? usually no more than a week, good luck with those sales :|
<A88> 7th July 2011, 20:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by longweight
Its not stingy just a lot of money to ask for an Android app that doesn't really add much?

£1.79 is a lot of money to make the website nicer and forums actually useable on devices that cost people about £3-400?
SexyHyde 7th July 2011, 21:16 Quote
If you are doing alright in these financial times then yes £1.79 isn't a lot of money. If you living on a shoestring budget because the price of everything has gone up and your wage/salary has stayed the the same or even been reduced then £1.79 just doesn't seem justifiable for something which your device can roughly do for free. A free ad supported version would seem sensible for a company/business that I am assuming has built itself and run itself on selling advertisment space.
<A88> 7th July 2011, 21:23 Quote
Living on a shoestring budget with an Android smartphone?
braincake 7th July 2011, 21:26 Quote
just make a stripped out mobile version of the site with adverts. a la engadget.
Fingers66 7th July 2011, 21:28 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by 13eightyfour
is this why i cant connect to bit-tech via tapatalk anymore? everything was fine until yesterday now i get the 'failed to connect to forum, please check with the forum admin if the problem persists' error everytime i try to connect.

I really hope this isnt the case tbh but the way things are atm i wouldnt be surprised.

Tapatalk was updated for me yesterday, try a manual update on it.
SexyHyde 7th July 2011, 21:29 Quote
Desire hd for free on £20 a month a contract which I signed when times were a bit better. Android smartphones on long contracts are surprisingly cheap.
dmfcoops 7th July 2011, 21:31 Quote
wow! a lot of people moaning about paying £1.79 for someone else's hard work. What a bunch of tightwads.
How is the app developer supposed to feed his kids and pay his mortgage if no-one is prepared to pay the huge sum of £1.79 for his toils?
It's a decent little app and I don't begrudge giving the lads at bit-tech £1.79 for their hard work. Well done.
longweight 7th July 2011, 21:47 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by <A88>
£1.79 is a lot of money to make the website nicer and forums actually useable on devices that cost people about £3-400?

How much the device initially costs is not a valid argument. My phone was free with my contract so does that mean I should expect free apps all the time? I don't mind paying for apps but I don't really see what this one offers for the high price, just release a version that has ads and so many more people would use it!

Plus the forums are just using Tapatalk which I already own as it allows me to access loads of forums.
Material 7th July 2011, 23:58 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by SexyHyde
If you are doing alright in these financial times then yes £1.79 isn't a lot of money. If you living on a shoestring budget because the price of everything has gone up and your wage/salary has stayed the the same or even been reduced then £1.79 just doesn't seem justifiable for something which your device can roughly do for free. A free ad supported version would seem sensible for a company/business that I am assuming has built itself and run itself on selling advertisment space.

This logic also applies to businesses, both ours, and those who advertise with us. Times are difficult and as a result we're looking at forming new revenue streams. I know a lot of you think we're rolling in piles of money here at bit-tech but that simply isn't the case. Advertisers are feeling the pinch too.

Having said this we perfectly understand if you can't afford the app. We're not putting a gun to your head here, merely offering you another, hopefully more convenient way to interact with the site.
Sloth 8th July 2011, 00:02 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by <A88>
£1.79 is a lot of money to make the website nicer and forums actually useable on devices that cost people about £3-400?
Confuses me as well. Been looking into getting a smartphone lately and have been weighing my options. One of the frequently claimed advantages of going with an Android platform is free apps. While that's certainly nice I don't get why it's such a big deal, I'm comfortable spending a dollar or two to compensate someone for their work, particularly when it removes ads.
mi1ez 8th July 2011, 02:30 Quote
having used the beta I prefer to read the actual website with opera.
leexgx 8th July 2011, 02:43 Quote
i tried the app out but using opera mini or skyfire or slower if your on 2g google browser works fine

i agree on the makeing some very simple changes to the site when it detects its an mobile device in use like no boarders on the left of the screen is all i would like to change,

1. there is an 3-4mm gap even as i am posting now on the desktop and reading now there is an gap and that makes scrolling up and down with finger bit annoying some times as cuts off the text on the right but then you move it over to far and cuts the left text off all it needs is very minor edit to the site to remove the white side boarders (or set it to 1mm or less) when on mobile device is detected

2. use static adverts when mobile is detected (harder to do really, but as a lot of your ads are flash my desktop or mobile device never sees them as they do not load i have to click on them to make the ad load, i use Opera just enable enable plugins on demand (under content) Chrome load Flash Block (extension) works an treat at lowering ram use so i recommend you telling you ad company's to stop using lame flash ads)

other topic if you want consistency on phones get an

iphone (and pay by the balls make sure you got insurance as you Will brake it o and after 1-2 years expect apple to no longer support you (but same thing can be sayed for Android as well as only HTC seem to be interested in keeping the phones updated Android OS wise and even when they are interested you mobile network mite not be and not push the update out)

or windows 7 phone (cheaper) Very consistent you know what ever you buy (Samsung HTC LG what ever) it be the same smooth experience between any win7 phone mainly due to every thing is GPU assisted on windows 7 phone even picture viewing is Super fast that not even an dual core android phone can match (mainly due to all win7 phone are same Spec in side CPU and GPU side any way) my next phone upgrade most likely be an HTC 7 Mozart or Samsung Omnia 7 (Orange only have them two phones at the moment)

if you want more freedom get an android phone (1Ghz with 512mb ram and 1gb usable internal storage or it be crap some phones come with 128mb internal storage they are an waste of time avoid them) main problem with android the fragmented phone hardware and updates for the phone can some times take an year to come out (network not push new updates or phone makers taking 1 year to bring an last years OS update out SONY) like Slow storage space (sony X10 goes crap slow when Writes happen) or doggy GPS (most samsung Android phones GPS is glitchy not win7 phone), i have an HTC desire works grate on T-mobile (but not perfect as it come with 128mb storage space thats not really enough even with A2D)

the comment about the desire i am guessing your talking about HTC desire {not s} i have no issues at all using bit-tech site under Opera mini or Google browser on my phone
Andy Mc 8th July 2011, 06:50 Quote
FINALLY.....But theres no way I'll pay almost £2 for something I can get for free on my mobile browser. I've never had an issue, even on my Hero, with using the forums with the standard Android Browser.


Also the iGizmo app is free, so why do Dennis charge for the bit-tech android app?
l3v1ck 8th July 2011, 07:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Mc
FINALLY.....But theres no way I'll pay almost £2 for something I can get for free on my mobile browser. I've never had a issue, even on my Hero, with using the forums with the standard Android Browser.
Sorry Bit-Tech, I like to be supportive, but +1 to that. Especially as there's no way to try before you buy. Those of us that haven't used the beta have no way of knowing how good the app is.
I'd be happy to use a free ad supported version in the future if your advertising revenues pick up.
the_kille4 8th July 2011, 07:37 Quote
first I thought YAY!1!1!1!1!...but that soon turned to glum disappointment... do you want to know why??? because it is not FREE...don't worry though... I'm sure someone will post a FREE version..soon...I hope
longweight 8th July 2011, 07:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Sorry Bit-Tech, I like to be supportive, but +1 to that. Especially as there's no way to try before you buy. Those of us that haven't used the beta have no way of knowing how good the app is.
I'd be happy to use a free ad supported version in the future if your advertising revenues pick up.

You have 15 minutes from download to get a refund mate so you can give it a try. I did and then un-installed. I would pay the money if it offered full integration with the website but it doesn't.
Nikols 8th July 2011, 08:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
cue the iOS backlash....

(oh wait, iOS users don't troll posts that have nothing to do with them)


nice on bit-tech ;)


... Think you ment cue the android backlash!

I downloaded the iPhone/ IPad cpc mag with one months free trial to see what it was like. It needs to mature a bit before I'd invest in digital the digital mag as it is awkward to use, the use of multitouch is poorly optimised. It's like the magazine is a PDF so the iOS controls can't distinguish between text and picture so zoom is useless and has to be manually controlled

The bit-tech website on the other hand, being a website is perfectly usable and easy to navigate with iOS. I laughed the first time the this forum is iPhone native if u buy an app message popped up as the forum is pretty much iPhone native without the app. Therefor when this does arrive for iPhone it'd want to be a significant and control friendly improvement over the website to make me invest. If a premium is to be charged it should come with a weeks trial before purchase to prove/ disprove the benefits of the app
Jasio 8th July 2011, 08:15 Quote
No QR code to scan? Really? How... Apple of you Bit-Tech.
oatey4519 8th July 2011, 08:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jasio
No QR code to scan? Really? How... Apple of you Bit-Tech.

b0ng0 8th July 2011, 08:21 Quote
I've been using the beta since it was released and I've found it works rather well.

If £1.79 is putting you off, just download it and try it out and if you don't like it, you can get a refund within 10/15m if I remember correctly (just the usual Android store policy on refunds).
Krikkit 8th July 2011, 08:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasio
No QR code to scan? Really? How... Apple of you Bit-Tech.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=198&pictureid=20263
mongpong 8th July 2011, 09:26 Quote
OK so it doesn't have adverts , but there is no doubt Apple and Android users are different and where iPhone users might be happy to pay for apps in general Android users aren't as we are happy to put up with some adverts. All the figures show this, it's just the way it is so instead of fighting it and exposing your app to a small amount of people they should of made it have adverts and free and get it out to more people - Rovio worked this out for Angry Birds and they seem to be doing just fine!

There is a lot of similarities with the Free To Play games that have been talked about a lot on these pages - Bit Tech should probably re-read them as all the publishers are saying the same thing...they make as much if not more by making the games free but using micro-transactions (or adverts).
Free = More people, more exposure, bigger ad revenue. Simple.
wuyanxu 8th July 2011, 09:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by leexgx
so i recommend you telling you ad company's to stop using lame flash ads

oh yes, 1000x this! please do something about this Bit-tech, you are not making any money off me with my FlashBlock browsers. i want to give you money, but i also want a good browsing experience.

GIF files are more than welcome.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikols
... Think you ment cue the android backlash!

i wasn't expecting this at all!

seems like Android users are like PC gamers: you can never please them.
kzinti1 8th July 2011, 10:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by dmfcoops
wow! a lot of people moaning about paying £1.79 for someone else's hard work. What a bunch of tightwads.
How is the app developer supposed to feed his kids and pay his mortgage if no-one is prepared to pay the huge sum of £1.79 for his toils?
It's a decent little app and I don't begrudge giving the lads at bit-tech £1.79 for their hard work. Well done.

Everybody at this site, or any other, is already paying by reading all the advertisements.
This should be completely obvious.
bw67958 8th July 2011, 11:12 Quote
Haven't read all the messages but its dead easy to get everything ad free on your android, root your device then get ad-free simples.

As for £1.79 welll that's a bit steep, if you subscribe to cpc you should be able to get it free.
Vo0Ds 8th July 2011, 11:25 Quote
I'd probably partake in the app... if it was on WP7.
Plugs 8th July 2011, 15:38 Quote
i will wait for the ad supported version
HourBeforeDawn 8th July 2011, 19:31 Quote
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The bit-tech app is the first product of this new team and we're hoping for it to be a big success

ya that would be a resounding no for success lol... but its not their fault they just didnt think of doing an ad supported version.
Lazarus Dark 9th July 2011, 03:04 Quote
I suppose if I still had time for the forums... (I dont)
I only come for the news and rss readers are free...
outlawaol 9th July 2011, 03:23 Quote
Disappointing it costs... Comes down to not needing to be that connected to BT that I need it on the go, and at the same time would not mind it on the go.

I'll wait for the ad supported one...

Also releasing this during the steam sale seems kinda daft, I have to throw all my available money at steam right now! :D
Jimbob 9th July 2011, 09:46 Quote
Make it for Windows Phone 7 and I'd buy it. £1.79 seems fair enough if it's a quality app.
CrazyJoe 9th July 2011, 10:31 Quote
I'm sure you have your reasons for the price but with Tapatalk costing basically the same, apps like Engadget for free and other site specific apps being cheaper (xda's app is 62p for no ads or free with ads) it just seems a bit too pricey even though it's less than the price of a sandwich.
fdbh96 9th July 2011, 16:41 Quote
I honestly think that if you justify buying a high end pc then £1.79 isn't really that bad, and tapatalk does make forums so much better
HourBeforeDawn 9th July 2011, 18:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by fdbh96
I honestly think that if you justify buying a high end pc then £1.79 isn't really that bad, and tapatalk does make forums so much better

you cant even compare that with whats going on here, 1) a high end PC has more then one function and 2) by default your built in Android browser can do everything that App does.
lamboman 9th July 2011, 18:55 Quote
As much as I support bit-tech, like the others, I can't agree with this one. Tapatalk is 20p 10p more, which gives me access to multiple forums, and I can easily just read the site (which is perfectly usable on my DHD).

As for the 15 minute refund on the Market, I wouldn't bother; all too often people have massive delays (we're talking 3-4 hours or more) from purchasing to app actually downloading. So getting your refund isn't always as simple as buying and trying.
Pyshtone 10th July 2011, 12:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by tonyd223
and worse - you don't even have joined up customer management - you can't link my login here with the fact that I do pay for the magazine - or how often I hit the site which you generate ad revenue from - and because you have no total customer view you can't even offer your most valuable customers the app for free - because you don't know who we are...

Bullseye...
longweight 10th July 2011, 17:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboman
As much as I support bit-tech, like the others, I can't agree with this one. Tapatalk is 20p 10p more, which gives me access to multiple forums, and I can easily just read the site (which is perfectly usable on my DHD).

As for the 15 minute refund on the Market, I wouldn't bother; all too often people have massive delays (we're talking 3-4 hours or more) from purchasing to app actually downloading. So getting your refund isn't always as simple as buying and trying.

Sorry 3 to 4 hours? Any evidence? WiFi or 3g?

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
lamboman 10th July 2011, 18:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by longweight
Sorry 3 to 4 hours? Any evidence? WiFi or 3g?

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

I waited for around 4 hours BubbleDS to download, over WiFi. Known problem on Google's side that they keep claiming is fixed, but never is :(
[USRF]Obiwan 11th July 2011, 08:35 Quote
It should be free.. Like all other tech news gathering sites do.
longweight 11th July 2011, 09:40 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboman
I waited for around 4 hours BubbleDS to download, over WiFi. Known problem on Google's side that they keep claiming is fixed, but never is :(

Oh well I have never heard of that! I have always had fast downloads from the market.

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
Flibblebot 11th July 2011, 17:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
It should be free.. Like all other tech news gathering sites do.
Including Dennis' own iGizmo magazine app... :(
HourBeforeDawn 11th July 2011, 19:39 Quote
interesting how there is no comment from the design staff or others involved with this on these forums yet? I too would like a good not a worded doesnt answer the question generic lawyer style response and what they plan to do about the negative view of their product.

Like others an ad supported version would be ideal.
Andy Mc 12th July 2011, 11:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
Quote:
Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
It should be free.. Like all other tech news gathering sites do.
Including Dennis' own iGizmo magazine app... :(

Nice to see I wasn't the only one to spot that....
steveo_mcg 12th July 2011, 11:57 Quote
Does iGizmo have some one else's ip built in to allow easy access to the forums?
Lizard 12th July 2011, 14:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
interesting how there is no comment from the design staff or others involved with this on these forums yet? I too would like a good not a worded doesnt answer the question generic lawyer style response and what they plan to do about the negative view of their product.

Like others an ad supported version would be ideal.

A few of us have already commented in this thread, but there's not a lot we can say at this stage, other that we're feeding back what you guys are saying.

Clearly many people are not happy with the price, and as editor of bit, the last thing I want is you guys, the readers to get angry with the site's writers, when it wasn't their call.

Whatever some people seem to think though, things like this do cost money to develop so bit needs to recoup the investment made in it. Whether that's a re-release as an ad supported or sponsored version, we'll just have to wait and see.
Sifter3000 12th July 2011, 17:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
interesting how there is no comment from the design staff or others involved with this on these forums yet? I too would like a good not a worded doesnt answer the question generic lawyer style response and what they plan to do about the negative view of their product.

Like others an ad supported version would be ideal.

Not only did I write the original news post, I did also post in the thread (about 20 replies in I think), addressing some of the issues:

* Price: as James [Lizard] says, developing apps, like the site, costs, so we want to recoup that cost. We could go with advertising, but we wanted to see what would happen with a paid app. Partly, like any new project, this is about testing the market and seeing what works and what doesn't. We're certainly not ruling out an ad-supported version in the future.

* Subscription integration: yes, I'd absolutely love to do this, but as I said in my earlier post, from a technical point of view, it's expensive and time consuming. Adding it would have meant the app would be delayed by a long time.

* Cost vs tapatalk. It's something of a false comparison, because the bit-tech app does what it's supposed to - provides the best bit-tech experience on an Android phone - and tapatalk does what it sets out to, which is accessing forums. Tapatalk might let you acces 10,000 forums, but how many of those do you care about reading? And can you, with Tapatalk, easily read a bit-tech news story and then add a comment, and then read the next news story? They're not really comparable products.
Sifter3000 12th July 2011, 17:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by kzinti1
Everybody at this site, or any other, is already paying by reading all the advertisements.
This should be completely obvious.

This is something of a misunderstanding. The advertisers are paying for the adverts. In that respect, they are the customer. With all free-to-use websites, you are the product being sold.
Kovoet 12th July 2011, 17:36 Quote
Well nothing comes for free these days
Kovoet 12th July 2011, 17:37 Quote
Tapatalk works perfectly for as well no hitches at all
HourBeforeDawn 12th July 2011, 17:38 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000


* Cost vs tapatalk. It's something of a false comparison, because the bit-tech app does what it's supposed to - provides the best bit-tech experience on an Android phone - and tapatalk does what it sets out to, which is accessing forums. Tapatalk might let you acces 10,000 forums, but how many of those do you care about reading? And can you, with Tapatalk, easily read a bit-tech news story and then add a comment, and then read the next news story? They're not really comparable products.

you must not own an android phone or at least not a decent one then because tapatalk would let you view more then one forum which A LOT of us do, you think we rely only what you guys print or discuss in the forums lol no way and second viewing your articles please thats what the android browser already lets us do. So again your really not offering anything worth wild here no matter how you try to justify it.

Also you said you were feeling the market lol well you could have done that by releasing both a paid and ad based App and that would have shown you what people prefer right away lol, given the very low download count and high refund count that should be painfully clear at this point.
Fingers66 12th July 2011, 17:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sifter3000
<snip>

* Cost vs tapatalk. It's something of a false comparison, because the bit-tech app does what it's supposed to - provides the best bit-tech experience on an Android phone - and tapatalk does what it sets out to, which is accessing forums. Tapatalk might let you acces 10,000 forums, but how many of those do you care about reading? And can you, with Tapatalk, easily read a bit-tech news story and then add a comment, and then read the next news story? They're not really comparable products. <snip>

Ah, but Tapatalk allows access to the forum marketplace and PM's whereas the Android app does not, despite storing the forum login details.

For me it is a trade-off; do I want the richer website browsing experience or do I want full access to the forum? I read selected articles on the website once, occasionally coming back to the reviews for reference but I use the forum heavily (you know, that "community" thing) so Tapatalk wins it for me.
Sifter3000 13th July 2011, 11:25 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingers66

For me it is a trade-off; do I want the richer website browsing experience or do I want full access to the forum? I read selected articles on the website once, occasionally coming back to the reviews for reference but I use the forum heavily (you know, that "community" thing) so Tapatalk wins it for me.

And I think that's fair enough - but it's clear in terms of what you want, Tapatalk is a better product. That doesn't make the bit-tech app bad, just different and not quite suited to your needs. We're looking at adding in marketplace and PM access for a future version.
longweight 13th July 2011, 21:58 Quote
Just checked the market place, less than 50 downloads!

Lol

Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
WildThing 14th July 2011, 13:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifter3000
We're looking at adding in marketplace and PM access for a future version.

Cool, that's good enough for me, I've just bought the app. I don't browse any other forums, and I find reading bit's articles and reviews much more enjoyable with the app tbh. I don't even use it that often because I'm always on the PC, but £1.79 is peanuts as far as I'm concerned, and I'm more than happy to support bit-tech and CPC.
HourBeforeDawn 24th July 2011, 06:47 Quote
well this app went no where past... so have you guys wised up yet and going to release a ad supported version? or you guys going to just take the loss?
longweight 26th July 2011, 07:49 Quote
Quote:
* Cost vs tapatalk. It's something of a false comparison, because the bit-tech app does what it's supposed to - provides the best bit-tech experience on an Android phone - and tapatalk does what it sets out to, which is accessing forums. Tapatalk might let you acces 10,000 forums, but how many of those do you care about reading? And can you, with Tapatalk, easily read a bit-tech news story and then add a comment, and then read the next news story? They're not really comparable products.

So the current app offers "the best bit-tech experience"?

No market place?

Ok...:(
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