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Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 due on 25 January?

Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 due on 25 January?

Is this your next graphics card? Hopefully not - the MS Paint artwork is hardly fetching.

Nvidia is rumoured to have set a launch date for its hugely anticipated GeForce GTX 560 GPU, and that date is 25 January 2011. We’ve yet to receive cards for testing, but we hope to receive some soon, given that the launch date is apparently so near.

With the current GeForce 500-series cards proving around 30 per cent faster than the equivalent GeForce 400-series cards, the GeForce GTX 560 promises much, as we’ve previously speculated. What's more, GeForce 500-series cards have tended to launch at comparable prices to the equivalent GeForce 400 parts.

We’ve previously seen Nvidia GTX 560 details leaked, which give us some idea about the card's performance and price. However, the interesting news is that the new card might use the supposedly retired ‘Ti’ suffix.

As TechPowerUp explains, the Ti suffix was first used almost ten years ago to distinguish between GeForce 3 and GeForce 4 cards with programmable shaders and those without (which used the ‘MX’ suffix in the case of the GeForce 4).

Whether the Ti suffix will make it to the official model name of the GPU remains to be seen, but TechPowerUp hypothesises that this could be a branding move to make the card appear superior to competing ATI cards such as the Radeon HD 6870 1GB and Radeon HD 6950 2GB.

Regardless of its final name, the GPU's leaked specs point towards the GeForce GTX 560 being based on a revised GF104 die, but with the unused SM (stream-processor cluster) of this design enabled, accounting for a rise in stream processors from 336 to 384. The reported memory interface is 256 bits wide, and there are also said to be 32 ROPs and 1GB of GDDR5 memory. However, there’s no news about whether there will be a 768MB version of the GTX 560, as there was with the GeForce 460 lineup.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 due on 25 January? *Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 due on 25 January?
Artist's Our impression of a GeForce GTX 560 card...

The GTX 560 GPU is also reported to have faster clock speeds than the GTX 460, with a GPU core of 820MHz rather than 675MHz, and at 1GHz (4GHz effective) memory, rather than 900MHz (3.6GHz effective). This could result in a potential rise in GPU processing power of 39 per cent, and a memory speed-boost of 11 per cent.

Better still, as the die is based on a revision of the GeForce 460's GF104, there’s no major reason why the new GeForce GTX 560 wouldn't launch in the same £180-200 price range as the GeForce 460's original price bracket. In actual fact, a price war meant that GeForce 460 cards initially went on sale for much less than this RRP, but we suspect that this will be a one-off event. We also hear that there will be many manufacturer-specific models of the card at launch, with custom coolers and overclocks aplenty.

Are you salivating at the thought of a GeForce GTX 560 that's potentially up to 39 per cent faster than a GeForce GTX 460, or have you already got a Radeon HD 6950 2GB and don’t need to upgrade? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

Via The Tech Report.

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wuyanxu 13th January 2011, 15:41 Quote
ah the Ti suffix.

i remember the awesome Geforce 4 Ti card i had. all my friends had Mx cards, i felt so much more superior.

£200 price point to compete with ATI's 6950 1GB? sounds very likely to me.
mi1ez 13th January 2011, 15:52 Quote
Good find!

Looks like it could become a card of legend...
adam_bagpuss 13th January 2011, 15:54 Quote
nivida dont you dare screw around with your naming scheme again - im looking forward to this card and will most likely be my replacement but ill cry a little inside knowing you gave it a silly name !!!!!
The_Jonas 13th January 2011, 15:56 Quote
ATI 6990, anyone? That'll be prettier.
Snips 13th January 2011, 15:59 Quote
That 590 looks huge! Quite tempted with the 560 as a direct replacement of my 460.
trig 13th January 2011, 16:02 Quote
had decided to grab a 6850 toxic, but luckily the news broke on the release date of this so i held off. can't wait to see the review.
Ljs 13th January 2011, 16:17 Quote
Excellent photoshop work! ;)
law99 13th January 2011, 16:26 Quote
My 460 hasn't arrived yet... but if I draw a 5 on it, I'll feel much better.
wuyanxu 13th January 2011, 16:26 Quote
(Gray bar is Heaven 2.1)
http://img.hexus.net/v2/news/nvidia/560-leak-3-big.jpg

bad news, nobody.

looks like the shrink in shaders makes this seem very slow compared to tessellation unit in 6950.
GiantKiwi 13th January 2011, 16:30 Quote
Got my 2 6950's for 200 each thanks to Quidco cashback, so I couldn't care less what ever tactic that nvidia could pull to compete. I've done the BIOS mod and it fully shows up as 2 6970's, so how the hell is the 560 going to be in any way worth it?
xaser04 13th January 2011, 16:52 Quote
Sounds great but only 1GB of memory is an instant turn of for me (planning a Eyefinity / Surround build).
fingerbob69 13th January 2011, 17:16 Quote
TechPowerUp hypothesises that this {Ti} could be a branding move to make the card appear superior to competing ATI cards such as the Radeon HD 6870 1GB and Radeon HD 6950 2GB.

Er, how so?
Turbotab 13th January 2011, 17:23 Quote
This card at £150 and I'll be a happy bunny
Matticus 13th January 2011, 17:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by fingerbob69
TechPowerUp hypothesises that this {Ti} could be a branding move to make the card appear superior to competing ATI cards such as the Radeon HD 6870 1GB and Radeon HD 6950 2GB.

Er, how so?

Extra letters make things sound cool, sad but true.

It is probably so they can create sketches where one guys "I just got a Ti card", and the other guy says "I thought you were an nvidia man?" to which guy number one replies "I mean A ti, not ATI". This would continue on for some time, maybe one or both can be Canadian so you can have "A ti, eh"
maximus09 13th January 2011, 17:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by adam_bagpuss
nivida dont you dare screw around with your naming scheme again - im looking forward to this card and will most likely be my replacement but ill cry a little inside knowing you gave it a silly name !!!!!

lol, damn right! Just keep it simple and understandable please ;)
mucgoo 13th January 2011, 17:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
Sounds great but only 1GB of memory is an instant turn of for me (planning a Eyefinity / Surround build).

a multi moniter setup with a single card is always going to be dodgy
most people still play at 1920*1080 or less still so 1gb is perfectly fine
Salty Wagyu 13th January 2011, 17:35 Quote
Will be hard to beat the 460 seeing how overclockable the 460 currently is.
Pete J 13th January 2011, 18:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by adam_bagpuss
nivida dont you dare screw around with your naming scheme again - im looking forward to this card and will most likely be my replacement but ill cry a little inside knowing you gave it a silly name !!!!!
Oh come on, just admit you want your EVGA GTX 560 Ti F T W card :D
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
looks like the shrink in shaders makes this seem very slow compared to tessellation unit in 6950.
Only if you compare it to the 6950, which retails at £230 minimum at the moment. I'm with Turbotab on this, it'll probably retail for £150 after a while and I reckon it'll launch at £180. Still, it appears to beat the 470, which is damn impressive!
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Originally Posted by aarste
Will be hard to beat the 460 seeing how overclockable the 460 currently is.
Judging by the overclockability of the 580 and 570, the 560 is going to be an overclocking monster.
thehippoz 13th January 2011, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pete J
Judging by the overclockability of the 580 and 570, the 560 is going to be an overclocking monster.

I hope so.. after seeing cuda fail on me in pyrit (like 3x slower than ati in gpu acceleration) was leaning towards building a cheap ati cruncher.. gaming I'm kind of sold on huang =]

least he has the top single gpu again and surprised the heck out of me with the 460, if that's any look into what the 560 will be

should be good when it comes to ocing with the stock cooler.. probably good bang for the buck
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 13th January 2011, 18:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by GiantKiwi
Got my 2 6950's for 200 each thanks to Quidco cash back, so I couldn't care less what ever tactic that Nvidia could pull to compete. I've done the BIOS mod and it fully shows up as 2 6970's, so how the hell is the 560 going to be in any way worth it?

AWESOME!! Just be careful over clocking them. 2 HD 6950 Cf w/ bios upgrade is the best solution bang for buck. $500 to $600 total depending on where you buy them and it will compete very close to a $1000 GTX 580 Sli while saving $400. You can't beat this.
Sulphademus 13th January 2011, 18:55 Quote
IMO a suffix should be used to differentiate two otherwise identically named cards. The GTX460 768MB version could have/should have been called the GTX455 or GTX460se. Slapping on a suffix when none else have them and there arent two models of the same number is just dumb.

Though I do have fond memories of my Gefore 4200Ti 128 clocked up to 4600 specs. =)
south side sammy 13th January 2011, 19:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by penryn 2 hertz
check this out http://www.geeks3d.com/20110108/ces-2011-evga-gtx-590-gemini-dual-gpu-card/

I read a couple of month's ago that someone ( not brand pictured ) was going to have a gtx460x2 with 3gig of memory. Perhaps this is it. I wouldn't buy it if it only had 2gig... ( 1gig usable per chip ) Just isn't enough. A gig and a half would be the sweet spot.
Grape Flavor 13th January 2011, 19:48 Quote
If this comes out at $250 like the rumors, it's going to be hard to choose the GTX 580 over a pair of these. Sure the power, heat, etc. will be higher but the performance should be greatly improved for no extra purchase cost.
Yslen 13th January 2011, 20:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete J
Quote:
Originally Posted by adam_bagpuss
nivida dont you dare screw around with your naming scheme again - im looking forward to this card and will most likely be my replacement but ill cry a little inside knowing you gave it a silly name !!!!!
Oh come on, just admit you want your EVGA GTX 560 Ti FTW card :D
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
looks like the shrink in shaders makes this seem very slow compared to tessellation unit in 6950.
Only if you compare it to the 6950, which retails at £230 minimum at the moment. I'm with Turbotab on this, it'll probably retail for £150 after a while and I reckon it'll launch at £180. Still, it appears to beat the 470, which is damn impressive!
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Originally Posted by aarste
Will be hard to beat the 460 seeing how overclockable the 460 currently is.
Judging by the overclockability of the 580 and 570, the 560 is going to be an overclocking monster.

If it's the same 104 chip at a higher stock speed then it'll probably be exactly the same when both are overclocked.... there's nothing to indicate it will have even more headroom.
memeroot 13th January 2011, 20:42 Quote
will prob make my 2x 570s a stupid buy but i knew that first
Snips 13th January 2011, 21:30 Quote
30+% increase on performance over the 460, 560 FTW!

69xx, who?
Skiddywinks 13th January 2011, 22:25 Quote
So when they say a "revised" GF104, do they mean fully fixed Fermi (a la the same process applied to the GTX 580), or are we still talking some issues such as heat and power draw, only somewhat improved?
Yslen 13th January 2011, 22:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
So when they say a "revised" GF104, do they mean fully fixed Fermi (a la the same process applied to the GTX 580), or are we still talking some issues such as heat and power draw, only somewhat improved?

Well, they're increasing the clocks and using more SMs, so the temperatures are only going to go up. If they're including fancy stock cooling like the 570/580 then it'll be cool, quiet and fast but it'll be more expensive than people are expecting. If they stick to "traditional" stock cooling it's going to be hotter and louder than a 460 and a bit faster... rather like an overclocked 460.

My guess is they'll include the fancy cooling and stick it between the 6870 and 6950 in terms of price. It'll be about there in performance anyway by the looks of things. It won't beat the 6950 there'd be no point; they already have the 570 covering the "I want something better than a 6950" market. If they have two cards between the 6950 and 6970 but nothing except the old 470 sitting between the 6870 and the 6950 they'll start a pricing war... and neither company wants that to happen. Avoiding direct competition by staggering models means both AMD and NVidia graphics cards sell well at high prices.

So we're looking at £200-220 and an average of about 45-47fps in Battlefield Bad Company 2 (1,920 x 1,200 4x AA 16xAF, DirectX 11, Maximum Detail).

/illogical rambling
frontline 13th January 2011, 22:58 Quote
The 460 launched at around £200 in the UK, if the 560 really is 25-30% faster, i would be surprised if the launch price is anything less than £200. Especially when Nvidia have a gap in their product range all the way up to around £275 for the 570.

Bearing in mind you can purchase a 2 GB 6950 for around £235 that will probably unlock to a 6970, it would have to be very close to a 6970 in performance terms to make a real impact - unless they do manage to launch at sub £200 with performance close to a 6950.

Whatever happens, it looks like 2011 will be a great year to buy a GPU in the £150-£250 bracket, with plenty of competition.
Skiddywinks 13th January 2011, 23:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yslen
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
So when they say a "revised" GF104, do they mean fully fixed Fermi (a la the same process applied to the GTX 580), or are we still talking some issues such as heat and power draw, only somewhat improved?

Well, they're increasing the clocks and using more SMs, so the temperatures are only going to go up. If they're including fancy stock cooling like the 570/580 then it'll be cool, quiet and fast but it'll be more expensive than people are expecting. If they stick to "traditional" stock cooling it's going to be hotter and louder than a 460 and a bit faster... rather like an overclocked 460.

My guess is they'll include the fancy cooling and stick it between the 6870 and 6950 in terms of price. It'll be about there in performance anyway by the looks of things. It won't beat the 6950 there'd be no point; they already have the 570 covering the "I want something better than a 6950" market. If they have two cards between the 6950 and 6970 but nothing except the old 470 sitting between the 6870 and the 6950 they'll start a pricing war... and neither company wants that to happen. Avoiding direct competition by staggering models means both AMD and NVidia graphics cards sell well at high prices.

So we're looking at £200-220 and an average of about 45-47fps in Battlefield Bad Company 2 (1,920 x 1,200 4x AA 16xAF, DirectX 11, Maximum Detail).

/illogical rambling

Thanks for the information and conjecture, but summed up that is basically a "I don't know" or a "I didn't really read the question" :P

Obviously temperatures are going to go up with extra shaders and clock bumps (just logical), but the GF110 chips in the 580 and 570 are greatly improved versions compared to their older brothers. Such revisions allowed for the vastly improved temperatures and power draws, which meant the changes to clocks and the bump in SMs still allowed for a significant improvement in power draw and temperature (although the much better cooler played a role as well for the latter) when compared to the older versions.

My question was, are the same changes made to the GTX560, so we can expect the same kind of magic, or are the revisions different, maybe not as significant or all encompassing etc. They say "revised" in the article, but I haven't come across anything online that goes in to detail with the changes for GF104, only the full fat Fermis (Fermii?).

If exactly the same magic has been applied, this card will kick some serious ass. The new version is named GF114, which bodes well in my mind (the refreshed GF100 was named GF110), since it suggests the same procedure has been followed, but having not seen any solid information, I am a liitle worried nVidia may not have gone for the full treatment with GF116. Clearly things have been changed, I'm just curious as to what.
Yslen 14th January 2011, 00:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks

Thanks for the information and conjecture, but summed up that is basically a "I don't know" or a "I didn't really read the question" :P

I think I summed it up nicely with "illogical rambling" :P

My point was (buried somewhere in there) that I don't think they could apply the same changes to the 560 without making it prohibitively expensive. Those alterations worked for the top end cards because they are so expensive anyway. The 560 is almost certainly aimed at the £200ish price point, so vapor chamber cooling as stock would be a surprising move. I suspect the 560 is just going to be a revved up 460; 30% faster but also 30% hotter. The 460 was cool enough that it won't be a major issue, and it'll keep the cost down.

Obviously I'm just taking wild stabs in the dark here, which is sort of the point of this thread...
Skiddywinks 14th January 2011, 01:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Yslen
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks

Thanks for the information and conjecture, but summed up that is basically a "I don't know" or a "I didn't really read the question" :P

I think I summed it up nicely with "illogical rambling" :P

My point was (buried somewhere in there) that I don't think they could apply the same changes to the 560 without making it prohibitively expensive. Those alterations worked for the top end cards because they are so expensive anyway. The 560 is almost certainly aimed at the £200ish price point, so vapor chamber cooling as stock would be a surprising move. I suspect the 560 is just going to be a revved up 460; 30% faster but also 30% hotter. The 460 was cool enough that it won't be a major issue, and it'll keep the cost down.

Obviously I'm just taking wild stabs in the dark here, which is sort of the point of this thread...

Your main reasoning (costs) is also what makes me worry the chip won't have the same features. Granted, vapour chamber cooling would be nice, but I would watercool the card anyway, so don't really care if they skimp on it to lower costs. So long as the chip has the same treatment (namely the third transistor type), I'm happy, but seeing as this isn't aimed at the top top end, I'm a little worried. I can't seem to find any information on what exactly these "revisions" are anywhere.
Yslen 14th January 2011, 02:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yslen
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiddywinks

Thanks for the information and conjecture, but summed up that is basically a "I don't know" or a "I didn't really read the question" :P

I think I summed it up nicely with "illogical rambling" :P

My point was (buried somewhere in there) that I don't think they could apply the same changes to the 560 without making it prohibitively expensive. Those alterations worked for the top end cards because they are so expensive anyway. The 560 is almost certainly aimed at the £200ish price point, so vapor chamber cooling as stock would be a surprising move. I suspect the 560 is just going to be a revved up 460; 30% faster but also 30% hotter. The 460 was cool enough that it won't be a major issue, and it'll keep the cost down.

Obviously I'm just taking wild stabs in the dark here, which is sort of the point of this thread...

Your main reasoning (costs) is also what makes me worry the chip won't have the same features. Granted, vapour chamber cooling would be nice, but I would watercool the card anyway, so don't really care if they skimp on it to lower costs. So long as the chip has the same treatment (namely the third transistor type), I'm happy, but seeing as this isn't aimed at the top top end, I'm a little worried. I can't seem to find any information on what exactly these "revisions" are anywhere.

I'll have a look around and see if I can find some information on how much the transistor switch actually adds to the complexity/cost of manufacture. I suspect it might be a fair bit, otherwise surely someone would have done this before? It seems like such an obvious way to solve the problem of excess heat...
azrael- 14th January 2011, 06:31 Quote
The GTX560 is the card I'm pinning my hopes on after the HD6870 debacle. From what I've read it's unclear, however, if it's still using he GF104 GPU (albeit fully enabled) or if it's also a respun chip like the GF110. I'm hoping for the latter, since the power usage of nVidia cards can't be lowered enough for my taste. :)
memeroot 14th January 2011, 07:23 Quote
whilst the card will be great it wont be the massive step up of the prior 5xx series simply because the 460 wasnt as sh8t a card as the 470/480/

your looking at performance of an overclocked 460 + unlocked core set.

the question is how close to the 570 it will get?
borandi 14th January 2011, 07:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
That 590 looks huge! Quite tempted with the 560 as a direct replacement of my 460.

560 SLI w/ 460 PhysX perhaps? :)
Snips 14th January 2011, 08:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by borandi
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Originally Posted by Snips
That 590 looks huge! Quite tempted with the 560 as a direct replacement of my 460.

560 SLI w/ 460 PhysX perhaps? :)

That's a bloody good idea, thanks!
Singularity 14th January 2011, 10:24 Quote
So, we're back to what nVidia do best -
#1 take older card,
#2 increment name,
#3 sell as new and shiny
#4 profit.
Yslen 14th January 2011, 11:19 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by memeroot
whilst the card will be great it wont be the massive step up of the prior 5xx series simply because the 460 wasnt as sh8t a card as the 470/480/

your looking at performance of an overclocked 460 + unlocked core set.

the question is how close to the 570 it will get?

Exactly.
Snips 14th January 2011, 13:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Singularity
So, we're back to what nVidia do best -
#1 take older card,
#2 increment name,
#3 sell as new and shiny
#4 profit.

Really? Is that statement necessary?
Kilmoor 14th January 2011, 14:27 Quote
This is all well and good, but where is the driver support? This is the second release of the second revision of the Fermi architecture, and if you read the forums, nobody is gaming. Nobody is able to game, that is. Hell yeah I get 160 FPS on Unigine, but what good is that if I can't play any DX10+ titles for more than 5 minutes without driver failure? The money I spent on a pair of 570's is wasted until nVidia can fix their drivers. They even went so far as to say that the TDR driver reset problem is not their fault, it is not their problem, it is Microsoft or your hardware... but wait, nVidia-- your driver fails to respond and kicks to OS or black screens, and it is not your problem?

Hold on to your cash until you hear some real customer stories, boys. The hardware is here, but the support is NOT.
wuyanxu 14th January 2011, 15:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kilmoor
The money I spent on a pair of 570's is wasted.

don't you see your problem?

unplug the 2nd one and it should be fine ;)


i've never had any problem with my single card configuration.
Ljs 14th January 2011, 18:59 Quote
I may be being slightly optimistic but I think this card will come in at around £170-£180.

Scan are selling the Evga 1gb GTX 460 for under £140 now, to clear stock before it hits but also leaving a niche for it it that price bracket.

Should be nice.
rickysio 15th January 2011, 16:28 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Singularity
So, we're back to what nVidia do best -
#1 take older card,
#2 increment name,
#3 sell as new and shiny
#4 profit.

So, we're back to beating dead horses.
#1 observe new nVidia product rumour with different naming scheme
#2 take rumour as gospel truth, reading only certain parts of the article
#3 reuse an old meme
#4 profit/look stupid
leexgx 16th January 2011, 22:25 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilmoor
This is all well and good, but where is the driver support? This is the second release of the second revision of the Fermi architecture, and if you read the forums, nobody is gaming. Nobody is able to game, that is. Hell yeah I get 160 FPS on Unigine, but what good is that if I can't play any DX10+ titles for more than 5 minutes without driver failure? The money I spent on a pair of 570's is wasted until nVidia can fix their drivers. They even went so far as to say that the TDR driver reset problem is not their fault, it is not their problem, it is Microsoft or your hardware... but wait, nVidia-- your driver fails to respond and kicks to OS or black screens, and it is not your problem?

Hold on to your cash until you hear some real customer stories, boys. The hardware is here, but the support is NOT.

depends on the game what is it

does it still crash when in single gpu mode, psu problem, motherboard , RAM or one of the gpus

wish I could play supreme commander 2 multiplayer, locks up me at game start or later on sli or not

I had mostly no issues with sli and one of my friends uses sli all the time, ATI cards get more come back on them
Pete J 17th January 2011, 11:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kilmoor
what good is that if I can't play any DX10+ titles for more than 5 minutes without driver failure?
Er, what driver failure? I'm having no issues.
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