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Microsoft: iPhone 4 is Apple's Vista

Microsoft: iPhone 4 is Apple's Vista

Microsoft's COO, Kevin Turner, believes that the iPhone 4 - with its launch-day issues - is Apple's Vista.

A top Microsoft executive took the the stage for a keynote speech in which he compared Apple's iPhone 4 issues with Microsoft's badly-received Windows Vista launch.

Microsoft's chief operating officer Kevin Turner is quoted by Computerworld as stating that "It looks like the iPhone 4 might be [Apple's] Vista, and I'm okay with that," at the company's Worldwide Partner Conference yesterday.

While Turner isn't exactly letting Microsoft off lightly for a version of Windows that was roundly ignored by corporations and didn't exactly set the home-user world on fire - with many choosing to downgrade newly-bought machines to Windows XP, the OS that just won't die - it's clear that the company finds Apple's predicament over the iPhone 4 signal strength issue amusing.

Prior to the comparison to Vista, Turner made further reference to Apple's issues with a comment that "one of the things I want to make sure you know today is that you're going to be able to use a Windows Phone 7 [handset] and not have to worry about how you're holding it to make a phone call."

Turner's comments come as Apple releases a beta of iOS 4.1, which contains a 'fix' for what the company claims is a simple software bug which results in a false signal reading in marginal areas. Sadly, MobileCrunch reports that the patch fails to fix the issue, with the signal strength still dropping through the floor if your finger rests on the bottom left of the handset.

Apple has invited members of the media to a press conference on Friday, during which time it is thought that the company will address the growing concern over the iPhone 4's issues - and, possibly, even announce some form of recall or exchange programme. One thing's for sure, however: when even Microsoft is mocking you over a buggy release, you've got problems.

Do you think that Turner is being unfair to Apple with his comparison, or are you just shocked at his seemingly admitting that Vista was broken by design? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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crazyceo 15th July 2010, 11:30 Quote
This really does leave Apple with egg on their faces. They tried to smooth out the problem with their usually confident stance but when their own fanboys start crying foul then they had to realise the writing was on the wall with this problem.

Now when much pillared Microsoft start making valid jokes about you, you know the game is up. Stick a fork in the iPhone4, it's done!
Phalanx 15th July 2010, 11:31 Quote
Gotta say, Apple have really screwed up the iPhone 4. So glad I sold my 3G. Seeing other phones on the market, it's pretty clear that while the first and second iPhones were brilliant ideas, now it's just relying solely on the hype, and there are better, faster, cheaper and certainly less tied-down alternatives out there.
cgthomas 15th July 2010, 11:37 Quote
If they don't fix the signal issue it might then be the end to the hype.
I love my 3GS though - you know that a phone is special when you use it to write comments on bit tech
crazyceo 15th July 2010, 11:39 Quote
I actually believe Apple didn't need to replace the 3GS but then they needed to add the front and back cameras. If the hype just dropped down a touch they probably wouldn't be looking as bad as they do now.
perplekks45 15th July 2010, 11:45 Quote
Oh, come on guys! It's just the algorithm calculating the signal strength! There's no signal loss when shorting the two antennas! The bars are just not displaying the strength properly:

It's piss-poor ALL THE TIME!

It could've been such a great phone, the looks definitely appeal and the "old" iPhones are kinda nice, but I'll stick to my Android phone, thank you very much.
raxonb 15th July 2010, 11:57 Quote
It is good that Vista is seen as bad from one of their own, and why not let MS take a few hits at Apple? I hope Windows 7 mobile wipes the floor with the iPhone4.

I too think the iPhone hype is way overrated. A couple of months ago on the radio there was a talk about the greatest inventions, such as the wheel, telephone and other breakthrough technologies we certainly couldn't live without today. And some kid rings in suggesting the iPhone should be amongst these great inventions because it has apps that and I quote "lets u do sum kool stuff innit bruv." Such nonsense really annoys me.

Please assure me this site will never become ibit-tech.com
fingerbob69 15th July 2010, 11:58 Quote
Live by the hype, die by the hype,
knuck 15th July 2010, 11:58 Quote
well they had to fuk up eventually. They weren't going to release 'perfect' products every time
Tasslehoff 15th July 2010, 12:02 Quote
I think i will be replacing my 3GS which has served me excellently with a Android device of some description
I really like the Dell Streak atm
knuck 15th July 2010, 12:03 Quote
It looks a little big to carry around as a phone, doesn't it ? 5" screen, that's kinda huge !
SteveU 15th July 2010, 12:36 Quote
I'm not being funny but Vista was ALWAYS a dog, the iPhone is a great phone marred by a monumental cock-up!
crazyceo 15th July 2010, 12:54 Quote
Actually, Vista only failed due to first release bad press. Using Vista now is not a bad experience.

However, the iPhone4 is the smelly deceased dog about to be put down as no amount of weeping dog lovers will save this puppy from the needle. Hence, the major recall about to go down tomorrow.
Guinevere 15th July 2010, 12:55 Quote
Oh my...

Am I the only person who puts their current phone in a case? I've done that with my iPhone since I got it. So the signal on an iPhone 4 attenuates a bit when holding it left handed and naked, so what? (the phone being naked that is - I don't think the clothing status of the user matters that much)

The only thing stopping me form getting an iPhone 4 is I don't need to spend the money right now.

The area where Apple probably boobed is I don't think they've only just realised the signal bars were set as they were, I'm sure it was to give people the impression they had great signal when they didn't - and this was all likely due to how crap AT&T are in the US.
wuyanxu 15th July 2010, 13:02 Quote
don't understand people's view against Vista, win 7 is basically re-sinked Vista.

by Friday, we'll know how Apple is going to handle this situation, nothing worth gossiping about.
PureSilver 15th July 2010, 13:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Actually, Vista only failed due to first release bad press. Using Vista now is not a bad experience.

+1, I used Vista in '08-'09 and I never really understood why everyone hated it so much.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Am I the only person who puts their current phone in a case? I've done that with my iPhone since I got it. So the signal on an iPhone 4 attenuates a bit when holding it left handed and naked, so what?

So, the phone doesn't work properly as sold. If it needs a case, or an insulating coating or something, they should either have supplied one with it or made it explicitly clear that you would need to purchase one in addition to the phone. Lots of people don't put their phones in a case and don't expect it to malfunction as a result; that's a legitimate expectation.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
The area where Apple probably boobed is I don't think they've only just realised the signal bars were set as they were, I'm sure it was to give people the impression they had great signal when they didn't - and this was all likely due to how crap AT&T are in the US.

I don't believe one word of that press release. The issue isn't how Apple's iPhones interpret signal bars; the issue is that the signal plummets if you hold the phone in the specified manner. Apple are trying to pass the blame here; when they say that actually it's the network's fault and the signal has been crappy all along, they're hoping to deflect the heat onto the networks. I've got cash in hand waiting to buy an iPhone 4; the issue is that it's my left hand and I'm not buying until this is resolved...
Denis_iii 15th July 2010, 13:30 Quote
yay M$ :) google and apple have replaced you as the great evil and with Win7 and WinPhone7 we can be buds again!
RichCreedy 15th July 2010, 13:41 Quote
i never really had an issue with vista, i think the biggest problem, was that it was put on low end machines and expected to work, i recently went to a customer who had a vista machine with only 512MB ram, needless to say it struggled getting things done, put in 2GB and it was ok, for a £350 machine.
GravitySmacked 15th July 2010, 13:48 Quote
Aw bless them; Microsoft don't often get a chance like this to have a digg at Apple like this.
AshT 15th July 2010, 13:59 Quote
I wish Apple would hurry up and recall the phones, fix it and ship it back out with no issues. Then I can get one.
RichCreedy 15th July 2010, 14:03 Quote
doesn't the issue only occur when lefties or people who use the phone in the left hand use it, thereby shorting the 2 antenna, they should send them all a free bumper, instead of charging £25 for 1
rickysio 15th July 2010, 14:03 Quote
Apple iPhone 4 drops 22dB in signal strength when held. My N900, with the antennas physically bridged on purpose, drops 3dBm.

(Take a look at Photo zoom - GSMArena.com, and as you can see, the antennas are exposed (and miraculously insulated - Nokia must have revived Da Vinci, Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Marie Curie, Isaac Newton and hired every single current student and alumni of every single university in the world, tapped every single think tank in existence to invent such a clever solution!), so when wet palm presses hard against the antenna, it should show the same issue as iPhone 4.)

Epic engineering fail time, Apple!
Woodspoon 15th July 2010, 14:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
Actually, Vista only failed due to first release bad press. Using Vista now is not a bad experience.

However, the iPhone4 is the smelly deceased dog about to be put down as no amount of weeping dog lovers will save this puppy from the needle. Hence, the major recall about to go down tomorrow.

+1
Spot on
lacuna 15th July 2010, 14:15 Quote
I think its crazy that people get so bothered about this. Yes its a recognised fault but its hardly detrimental to the operation of the phone. If the signal drops to a point that makes the call incoherent then just move your finger, not at all difficult! Its not as if the phone occasionally bursts into flames, eletrocutes you or punches you in the face from time to time.

I personally wouldn't get the phone because I don't like the shape; I don't think its particularly good to hold and I much prefer my 3G
Kasius 15th July 2010, 14:18 Quote
I've just "upgraded" to an iPhone4 having never owned an iPhone previously and although i am relatively pleased with it i don't see the big deal. I've a bumper type case on order (which i sourced for £15) which i'm hoping will sort what little of a signal issue i actually experience but i have to say normally i don't have much of a problem. Personally i find if holding it horizontally while browsing, gripping both sides will cease any 3G or Wifi traffic until held "properly" again. My only other gripe as mentioned above is the signal indicators generally all over the shop, i could just pick it up one moment and it'll have one bar of signal, pick it up again at exactly the same location in exactly the same manor it'll have full! I haven't upgraded it to OS4.1 as of yet due to as i have mentioned it hasn't really caused me as much of a drama as perhaps it has others i will however do so tonight and see if there's any definitive improvement. I don't get the whole fanboy thing myself, it's a great phone but i wouldn't fork out for one simfree, happily in light of these reported issues i got it quite cheep from my long standing phone provider, else i guess like other are i'd also be a little upset. I've no regrets tbh, if apple do a recall great if not meh...
crazyceo 15th July 2010, 14:26 Quote
If these phones were cheap then I agree its a load of rubbish and we are all reacting to media hysteria. However, these are some of the most expensive phones on the market today. Why would you want to "Just live" with the proven fault and hope Apple fix the problem on the next version.

I'm sorry but if you own an iPhone4 now, I would be eagerly waiting for the recall notice tomorrow.
SteveU 15th July 2010, 14:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
If these phones were cheap then I agree its a load of rubbish and we are all reacting to media hysteria. However, these are some of the most expensive phones on the market today. Why would you want to "Just live" with the proven fault and hope Apple fix the problem on the next version.

I'm sorry but if you own an iPhone4 now, I would be eagerly waiting for the recall notice tomorrow.

Nope I'm not, I'm a proud (right -handed) iPhone 4 owner and I couldn't care less what Apple announce tomorrow, my iPhone 4 is fine thanks. There is no-way they are going to recall every phone, there's already millions out there and it would just cost far too much (and take forever to do). The most that will be offered IMO is an iOS update and possibly a free bumper (or refund of already bought bumper) to those who want one.
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Originally Posted by RichCreedy
i never really had an issue with vista, i think the biggest problem, was that it was put on low end machines and expected to work, i recently went to a customer who had a vista machine with only 512MB ram, needless to say it struggled getting things done, put in 2GB and it was ok, for a £350 machine.

Saying you need 2GB to run Vista properly is exactly the same as saying the iPhone needs a bumper to work properly! If Windows 7 can run fine on 1GB (and it does just that) then Vista should easily have been able to run on that or less.
PureSilver 15th July 2010, 15:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
Saying you need 2GB to run Vista properly is exactly the same as saying the iPhone needs a bumper to work properly!

No, it really isn't. Microsoft licenses it's software to hardware manufacturers - they have no control over how much RAM buyers choose to buy and manufacturers choose to offer. Apple makes the hardware and has total control over design and manufacture; if a solution is required, there damn well ought to be one included.
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Originally Posted by SteveU
If Windows 7 can run fine on 1GB (and it does just that) then Vista should easily have been able to run on that or less.

Says who? Vista was a world apart from XP, and a much more powerful OS. With little experience of optimizing such a system, it's not really surprising that at launch Vista was even more resource hungry than anticipated. Windows 7, which is basically Vista rebooted, is the product of an extra three years of development and feedback. That's why it's better optimized.
rickysio 15th July 2010, 15:15 Quote
Why are we blaming them? It's a feature - uninterrupted game play time when you want to!
ImInTheZoneBaby 15th July 2010, 15:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
Nope I'm not, I'm a proud (right -handed) iPhone 4 owner and I couldn't care less what Apple announce tomorrow, my iPhone 4 is fine thanks. There is no-way they are going to recall every phone, there's already millions out there and it would just cost far too much (and take forever to do). The most that will be offered IMO is an iOS update and possibly a free bumper (or refund of already bought bumper) to those who want one.

How can you be a proud owner of a phone that doesn't work as it should do? Straight out of the box, even.
You have been ripped off, and Apple don't even care.

It doesn't matter if you care or not about the signal drops; it should be about what is right and wrong.

It is WRONG, that Apple has sold these phones, hyping them up so much, and then being released with a fault. A very major fault. Who cares how much money it costs Apple? It should be in their service as a company to accept faulty model returns.
Gordy 15th July 2010, 15:50 Quote
I've had my iPhone since launch day and I've had zero I repeat zero dropped calls. The signal strength has been far better than my 3g. It's a non issue for 99% of iPhone 4 users. Most of the people complaining haven't even got an iPhone 4.

Look at this report here for example: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/

If the issue was as massive as some people make out there would be far more complaints.

I'll watch what happens on friday with interest, but I'm not too concerned either way.
ed_456 15th July 2010, 15:51 Quote
Apple have forgotten the 'Phone' in iPhone. Surely if your making a high end phone your going to concentrate on the phone aspects of the device first. Whats the point of this device if you can't get signal? Its just an Ipod Touch with a few bits stuck on.
RichCreedy 15th July 2010, 15:53 Quote
+1 to PureSilver
rickysio 15th July 2010, 16:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gordy
I've had my iPhone since launch day and I've had zero I repeat zero dropped calls. The signal strength has been far better than my 3g. It's a non issue for 99% of iPhone 4 users. Most of the people complaining haven't even got an iPhone 4.

Look at this report here for example: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/

If the issue was as massive as some people make out there would be far more complaints.

I'll watch what happens on friday with interest, but I'm not too concerned either way.

Nonissue is NOT no issue.
SteveU 15th July 2010, 17:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordy
I've had my iPhone since launch day and I've had zero I repeat zero dropped calls. The signal strength has been far better than my 3g. It's a non issue for 99% of iPhone 4 users. Most of the people complaining haven't even got an iPhone 4.

Look at this report here for example: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/

If the issue was as massive as some people make out there would be far more complaints.

I'll watch what happens on friday with interest, but I'm not too concerned either way.

Nonissue is NOT no issue.

I think what he's trying to say is that it's not really an issue for the people who actually own an iPhone 4 and aren't experiencing and problems (which from a lot of reports including that engadget article is not as many as is being made out).

It DOES seem to be an issue for the many people who don't even own an iPhone and just want to say their piece to anyone who will listen!
thehippoz 15th July 2010, 17:37 Quote
lol 'when even microsoft is mocking you'

this video made by a best buy employee is pretty funny.. kind of sums up the android market

UAOtC9QfXac
mastorofpuppetz 15th July 2010, 19:13 Quote
Apple, the most overrated tech company ever.
Threefiguremini 15th July 2010, 19:52 Quote
Came across this just after reading this article. Quite fitting http://www.androidcentral.com/iphone4-vs-htc-evo-4g-nsfw Oh Stumble how I love thee
Gordy 15th July 2010, 19:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
I think what he's trying to say is that it's not really an issue for the people who actually own an iPhone 4 and aren't experiencing and problems (which from a lot of reports including that engadget article is not as many as is being made out).

It DOES seem to be an issue for the many people who don't even own an iPhone and just want to say their piece to anyone who will listen!

Correct. The whole thing is something of a pissing contest between to dramatically opposed groups. Those people who have the phones in their hands for the most part seem very happy.
crazyceo 15th July 2010, 19:58 Quote
Unless of course you have one in your hands which means you're crying after the large layout or extended contract you have on a internationally proven flawed product.
AshT 15th July 2010, 19:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by thehippoz
lol 'when even microsoft is mocking you'

this video made by a best buy employee is pretty funny.. kind of sums up the android market

UAOtC9QfXac

Belongs in awesome thread tbh. And the other one that takes the piss out of iPhone. ;)
rollo 16th July 2010, 00:39 Quote
My m8 got his with a case as he does for all phones he buys ( works on a building site) and he's had no issues at all

He usually wrecks a phone every other week due to dust and debri on site so we will see how long it lasts.

Personally use a Bluetooth headset forcalls with mine
GeekyGray 16th July 2010, 01:56 Quote
Ugh, I wish the big tech companies would all pull their heads in.

This furore is Apples own doing. If they cut back on spouting off their marketing propaganda about being the second coming to the technology world, impervious to flaw or weakness, all others are wrong/inferior in comparison, etc., they wouldn't find themselves getting such intense media scrutiny over this issue. They need to take this one on the chin and admit that yes, indeed there is a fault in some handsets, at take some accountability on the matter. Not try passing the buck by telling the consumer it's their problem because they aren't holding it correctly. Just because a lot of users report no issue, doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist.

As for Microsoft, I think showing some humility might be a good approach. Just because Apple are taking a level of criticism (perceived or otherwise) usually only reserved for their own products, they shouldn't be so quick to forget their own chequered past before twisting the knife. Sure it's amusing that they openly admit that Vista wasn't their defining moment, but a more humble approach towards Apples plight would have at least cut off an avenue for Apple deflect some of the heat.
rickysio 16th July 2010, 05:45 Quote
The trigger was probably that Apple claimed it to be a 1000000000000% (honest!) software issue when it's a hardware issue.
Furymouse 16th July 2010, 07:20 Quote
They should have put this in a commercial.
Bindibadgi 16th July 2010, 07:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
I'm not being funny but Vista was ALWAYS a dog, the iPhone is a great phone marred by a monumental cock-up!

Great phone?

No.

Great computing device for bespoke applications?

Yes.

Providing, that is, you have the signal to download and use them...
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Originally Posted by Gordy
Correct. The whole thing is something of a pissing contest between to dramatically opposed groups. Those people who have the phones in their hands for the most part seem very happy.

Depends which hand..
MaverickWill 16th July 2010, 07:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tasslehoff
I think i will be replacing my 3GS which has served me excellently with a Android device of some description
I really like the Dell Streak atm
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Originally Posted by Ghys
It looks a little big to carry around as a phone, doesn't it ? 5" screen, that's kinda huge !

My missus just got one, on my recommendation. Had a play about with it in the shop - the screen's fantastic, all connections are spot-on (even 3G seems pretty sweet, and I'm not in an area of amazing coverage), and the touch-sensitive keyboard is well-spaced, complete with number pad. It's big, but not MASSIVE - you'll take some getting used to for the first few calls, but after that, it's a non-issue.

The only flaw I've spotted with it so far is it's in her pocket and not mine.
scawp 16th July 2010, 09:34 Quote
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (I hate Apple) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kasius 16th July 2010, 09:51 Quote
Updated to 4.1 last night, since then i've had between 4 and 5 bars consistently and no longer have the issue with the wireless or 3G traffic dropping despite where i'm holding it. Impressive for a software update being it's a limitation of the physical hardware. ;)

Edit: Although the general consensus in the community is the signal bar appearance is cosmetic. Whatever they changed it worked a treat for me :)
rickysio 16th July 2010, 10:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kasius
Updated to 4.1 last night, since then i've had between 4 and 5 bars consistently and no longer have the issue with the wireless or 3G traffic dropping despite where i'm holding it. Impressive for a software update being it's a limitation of the physical hardware. ;)

Edit: Although the general consensus in the community is the signal bar appearance is cosmetic. Whatever they changed it worked a treat for me :)

If your battery life drops then it's Apple's using more aggressive signal algorithms to grab the signal.
PQuiff 16th July 2010, 11:16 Quote
OMFG...i nearly pissed myself thats so funny. Kick em while there down MS
Kasius 16th July 2010, 11:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
If your battery life drops then it's Apple's using more aggressive signal algorithms to grab the signal.

Will monitor ;)
Nikols 16th July 2010, 12:04 Quote
Just bring out the htc evo 4 over here and I'll donate my 3GS to an unfortunate iPhone 4 owner!
Also like the way samsung are thinking by placing a projector in the top corner of some of their upcoming smartphones
AshT 16th July 2010, 13:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nikols
Also like the way samsung are thinking by placing a projector in the top corner of some of their upcoming smartphones

But surely that will be just a gimmick to keep the kids happy? Well to start with, until the tech advances more. Kind of like when the first cameras appeared in phones - great for 2 minutes until the crappy pictures made you want a real camera. Has anyone here got one of those mini pocket projectors and can explain whether they are good or not? I was tempted to buy one about a year ago when I was in Staples, but I really struggled to think of absolutely any reason I would need one ...
BlackRaven 16th July 2010, 16:28 Quote
Just to note that the signal problem with the iphone is a hw issue rather than a sw issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If Microsoft is actually going to produce their own hw with Windows Phone 7 then fair enough but if not then they should just stay quiet. Apple seems to have the sw side on the right track but on the hw side they will need to do better.
frontline 16th July 2010, 21:46 Quote
Maybe we need to go back to external antenna to resolve this http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/phones/bosch_909_dual_s_main.jpg

Even if they did cause painful jeans-pocket related injuries.
Threefiguremini 16th July 2010, 22:28 Quote
oceanwaves7 17th July 2010, 03:51 Quote
"a 'fix' for what the company claims is a simple software bug which results in a false signal reading in marginal areas"

So now apple is desperately trying to hack their own software fake a higher signal reading than is actually there. As said, it fixes nothing. So now those poor people will have their call dropped, yet the signal meter will fake a higher reading than is there. But hey, it's Apple, and 90% of apples users are brainwashed to the point that if it's shiny they will believe apple and no one else. What can you do...
Gordy 17th July 2010, 14:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by oceanwaves7
"a 'fix' for what the company claims is a simple software bug which results in a false signal reading in marginal areas"

So now apple is desperately trying to hack their own software fake a higher signal reading than is actually there. As said, it fixes nothing. So now those poor people will have their call dropped, yet the signal meter will fake a higher reading than is there. But hey, it's Apple, and 90% of apples users are brainwashed to the point that if it's shiny they will believe apple and no one else. What can you do...

Quite the opposite, but why let facts get in the way of your rant...

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2010/07/15/160322-signal_strength_rescaling.jpg
Nexxo 17th July 2010, 14:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by oceanwaves7
"a 'fix' for what the company claims is a simple software bug which results in a false signal reading in marginal areas"

So now apple is desperately trying to hack their own software fake a higher signal reading than is actually there. As said, it fixes nothing. So now those poor people will have their call dropped, yet the signal meter will fake a higher reading than is there. But hey, it's Apple, and 90% of apples users are brainwashed to the point that if it's shiny they will believe apple and no one else. What can you do...
No, the opposite: the fix will show a lower signal reading to reflect more accurately what is actually there.

But hey, it's Apple and some users are brainwashed to the point that they will hate and suspect Apple no matter what. What can you do... Seriously: 1.7 million phones sold; if this was such an obvious issue there should have been hundreds of thousands of complaints.

Of course you can argue that Apple has itself to blame for hyping its product, but which company doesn't? Have you ever seen any other company presenting their mobile as "A really rather nice phone, if we say so ourselves, not bad at all"? Here is Nokia's response to Steve Jobs saying that they have antenna issues too:
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Antenna design is a complex subject and has been a core competence at Nokia for decades, across hundreds of phone models. Nokia was the pioneer in internal antennas; the Nokia 8810, launched in 1998, was the first commercial phone with this feature.

Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying human behavior, including how people hold their phones for calls, music playing, web browsing and so on. As you would expect from a company focused on connecting people, we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict.

In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held. That’s why Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.
Sounds in any way different from Apple-talk? I don't think so. And even Nokia are not adverse to the small lie; the first phone with an internal antenna was in fact the Motorola MicroTAC 9800X, released in 1989. Its plastic pull-out antenna served no functional purpose, and was strictly for aesthetics because market research showed customers expected it.

The fact is also that everybody copies Apple's iOS and form factor. For a despised company, it sure gets a lot of flattery through imitation.

Apple is no saint, but then neither is any other company. The consumer is wise to stay impartial and buy the product that suits their needs best, and let everyone else do the same. Otherwise they are no different from football supporters kicking each others' heads in on the pitch based on what colour scarf they wear.
mastorofpuppetz 17th July 2010, 19:11 Quote
here come the apple fanboys, LMAO. Apple = most overrated tech company. I love how people who know nothing about technology are brainwashed to think MAcs and apple in general make superior products.
knuck 17th July 2010, 19:24 Quote
To be honest, I'm not a fan of Apple myself but I still was appealed by the iPhone and 8 months ago I seriously considered getting one. I like to be different though (hence why I got myself a ZuneHD) and didn't buy one.


I, however, am getting sick of all the love/hate towards Apple. I wish neutral people would be more vocal about how neutral they are

kind of like the neutral people in Futurama
http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Neutral_President.jpg/225px-Neutral_President.jpg

This endless bash/love fest is annoying.


NEUTRALITY
Nexxo 17th July 2010, 20:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
here come the apple fanboys, LMAO. Apple = most overrated tech company. I love how people who know nothing about technology are brainwashed to think MAcs and apple in general make superior products.

Whereas you, of course, are highly informed on technology and know exactly what's what.
AshT 17th July 2010, 20:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
here come the apple fanboys, LMAO. Apple = most overrated tech company. I love how people who know nothing about technology are brainwashed to think MAcs and apple in general make superior products.

Here comes yet another AppleHater who needs therapy to move on.

Seriously, let the Apple lovers love their Apples. Get over it.
Krikkit 17th July 2010, 20:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ghys
kind of like the neutral people in Futurama
http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Neutral_President.jpg/225px-Neutral_President.jpg

This endless bash/love fest is annoying.


NEUTRALITY

If I don't survive... Tell my wife "Hello". :)

Agreed on the endless cycle of Apple love/hate though. Totally sick of it.
Gordy 18th July 2010, 13:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
If I don't survive... Tell my wife "Hello". :)

Agreed on the endless cycle of Apple love/hate though. Totally sick of it.

I agree. I pretty much have stopped reading comments on any apple related article on any website. You can guarantee the following:

1. The first 20% of posts will be anti apple, even if it's apple giving 6billion pounds to everyone starving in the world.

2. 50% of the posts will be complaining about there being too much apple news on website x.

3. Then the rest will descend into a pointless argument. With any rational or sane person giving up.

*Stat's made up of course...
crazyceo 19th July 2010, 00:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
here come the apple fanboys, LMAO. Apple = most overrated tech company. I love how people who know nothing about technology are brainwashed to think MAcs and apple in general make superior products.

Whereas you, of course, are highly informed on technology and know exactly what's what.

Ah Nexxo, still fighting the losing battle again I see!
lorrienorrie 19th July 2010, 00:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gordy
I agree. I pretty much have stopped reading comments on any apple related article on any website. You can guarantee the following:

1. The first 20% of posts will be anti apple, even if it's apple giving 6billion pounds to everyone starving in the world.

2. 50% of the posts will be complaining about there being too much apple news on website x.

3. Then the rest will descend into a pointless argument. With any rational or sane person giving up.

*Stat's made up of course...
haha sounds like a any forum. I don't think anyone can deny the quality of the thing when its actually working!
Gordy 19th July 2010, 10:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by lorrienorrie
haha sounds like a any forum. I don't think anyone can deny the quality of the thing when its actually working!

It happens on about every website I've read in the last 6 months.
AshT 19th July 2010, 10:15 Quote
Its been happening since the beginning of time. Nerd rage at Apple is so old and tedious.
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