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iPhone 4 reliability issues reported

iPhone 4 reliability issues reported

Apple's iPhone 4 might look the part, but early adopters are reporting series flaws in the hardware.

The iPhone 4 officially becomes available in the UK today, but users are complaining of disappointing call performance and screen issues with Apple's latest and greatest.

The first - and most major - complaint appears to be a result of the radical design of the antenna, which in the iPhone 4 uses the metal band around the edge of the device. According to BetaNews, when the handset is held with the fingers touching this band - and if you're using it as an actual 'phone, it's going to be difficult to hold it any other way - the signal strength drops through the floor, switching from "four to five bars" to "one bar or 'searching' appears on the screen."

This behaviour isn't limited to BetaNews's Joel Wilcox's iPhone, either, with Gizmodo readers also complaining of the same issues - a sudden drop in signal strength when you pick up the handset, which can result in dropped calls and reduced call quality.

As if issues with using the smartphone to make phone calls wasn't enough, other early iPhone users are reporting problems with the much-vaunted high-resolution 'retina' display. According to CNet, numerous people are complaining of a yellow hue to the display - or, in some cases, obvious yellow spots marring an otherwise sharp and clear screen. Interestingly, this appears to be a very different issue than when the iPhone 3G launched, which featured a display with a different colour temperature prompting similar complaints of a yellow-ish tint.

It's possible that the display issues - which have been confirmed as a problem by Apple, which is offering to replace affected handsets - are a result of the allegedly poor yields that display manufacturer LG Display is experiencing with the new high-res technology.

So far Apple hasn't commented on the possible antenna design issue, but with increasing numbers of users complaining of dropped calls it may have to make a statement soon if only to assuage the fears of those who have not yet upgraded.

Have you already decided that you'll be upgrading to the iPhone 4, or have these reports just reinforced your opinion that it's better to wait until a new revision of the hardware comes out? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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Fused 24th June 2010, 10:03 Quote
Be interesting to see if anyone reports problems here in the UK. The dropped calls feature for holding your phone would be a bit of a downer. I suspect its a few faulty samples, they would noticed of it in development surely?

Still don't see any reason to upgrade from me 3GS which with the new OS just makes it even better. (Couldn't afford to anyway)
Blademrk 24th June 2010, 10:29 Quote
Assuming that the signal drops when you pick it up because of skin contact with the antenna band, would a rubber (or neoprene) case fix the issue?
AshT 24th June 2010, 10:33 Quote
Would like to hear from UK guys who get their phones today, see if you get the same issues.
mi1ez 24th June 2010, 10:52 Quote
YSOD? nah, not quite.

What a poor bit of design, although hasn't making calls been a weekness of all the iphones?

form over function
bahgger 24th June 2010, 11:18 Quote
The queue outside the O2 Holborn store was quite impressive at 8:30am. I wonder how busy the Apple store on Regent Street was..
Mr T 24th June 2010, 11:36 Quote
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.
loftie 24th June 2010, 12:14 Quote
At least it's not exploding...... yet.
javaman 24th June 2010, 12:14 Quote
First alarm bells where when jobs was trying to demo the phone himself and by trying to connect to the internet and failed. the technicians in the back got it working and before Jobs tried to demo it again he got everyone to turn their "wi-fi devices" off cause they where interfering. Excellent stuff, go in to starbucks and tell everyone to turn their devices off cause you need the wi-fi and your iphone has to have exclusive connection.
SteveU 24th June 2010, 12:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by AshT
Would like to hear from UK guys who get their phones today, see if you get the same issues.

I'll let you know later when my sim is activated and I can actually make a call with it!
lacuna 24th June 2010, 12:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mr T
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.

Why would you queue for a phone? Its not like the shop is going to run out of them.
SteveU 24th June 2010, 13:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Mr T
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.

Why would you queue for a phone? Its not like the shop is going to run out of them.

Actually that's exactly what is happening, most stores only got 30-40 phones so wiring was essential this morning!
gavomatic57 24th June 2010, 13:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
First alarm bells where when jobs was trying to demo the phone himself and by trying to connect to the internet and failed. the technicians in the back got it working and before Jobs tried to demo it again he got everyone to turn their "wi-fi devices" off cause they where interfering. Excellent stuff, go in to starbucks and tell everyone to turn their devices off cause you need the wi-fi and your iphone has to have exclusive connection.

I doubt you'll ever share a starbucks with 500 mifi devices blasting out a wifi signal...
greigaitken 24th June 2010, 13:11 Quote
to fix the dropped call issue - apple should realease an iphone glove. Pure white. you'll get to look like MJ too.
Although said glove may suffer same problems as their screens......
lacuna 24th June 2010, 13:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Mr T
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.

Why would you queue for a phone? Its not like the shop is going to run out of them.

Actually that's exactly what is happening, most stores only got 30-40 phones so wiring was essential this morning!

Im sure they will get some more, its not like its some limited edition thing.
barndoor101 24th June 2010, 13:44 Quote
apparently, they dropped calls issue is fixed by using a plastic/rubber sleeve that fits round the metal ring - the one available is $29 from the apple store.

keep drinking that kool-aid apple kids...
giantegg 24th June 2010, 14:11 Quote
This makes me so happy.
SteveU 24th June 2010, 14:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by SteveU
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Mr T
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.

Why would you queue for a phone? Its not like the shop is going to run out of them.

Actually that's exactly what is happening, most stores only got 30-40 phones so wiring was essential this morning!

Im sure they will get some more, its not like its some limited edition thing.

I'm sure you're not wrong either but for saddos like myself who just HAD to have it today, queuing was the only option!
AlexB 24th June 2010, 14:50 Quote
No issues with mine - it's been good as gold since I picked it up this morning. Very impressed with the screen, too.
Jehla 24th June 2010, 14:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by SteveU
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by SteveU
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Mr T
I queued from 7.45 till 9.20 and gave up and went to work. My friend (who i was in line with) is still there (11.36) and still hasn't got one.

Why would you queue for a phone? Its not like the shop is going to run out of them.

Actually that's exactly what is happening, most stores only got 30-40 phones so wiring was essential this morning!

Im sure they will get some more, its not like its some limited edition thing.

I'm sure you're not wrong either but for saddos like myself who just HAD to have it today, queuing was the only option!

I decided it was better to que for a couple of hours than go though having to constantly phone/visit shops over the next few weeks to try and get one.

I've been trying to replicate the signal loss, but it is not shifting at all.
Loc: Hampshire
Operator: O2
Gareth Halfacree 24th June 2010, 15:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jehla
I've been trying to replicate the signal loss, but it is not shifting at all.
Are you right handed or left handed? One rumour I've seen on the 'net suggests that the signal loss only happens when the 'phone is held in the left hand, with a digit covering the volume button.
lacuna 24th June 2010, 15:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jehla
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Originally Posted by SteveU


I'm sure you're not wrong either but for saddos like myself who just HAD to have it today, queuing was the only option!

I decided it was better to que for a couple of hours than go though having to constantly phone/visit shops over the next few weeks to try and get one.

Nah, don't understand. Its a minor revision of an existing product, what's so exciting about it?
pimonserry 24th June 2010, 15:53 Quote
Commenters asking for UK info - the Engadget article has a video using a UK iPhone 4 dropping signal (but no call tests, the call test video is from a US iPhone)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/
saspro 24th June 2010, 15:56 Quote
Not a major problem in London on my new one (although I've got rubbish signal at work anyway)
SteveU 24th June 2010, 16:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
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Originally Posted by Jehla
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Originally Posted by SteveU


I'm sure you're not wrong either but for saddos like myself who just HAD to have it today, queuing was the only option!

I decided it was better to que for a couple of hours than go though having to constantly phone/visit shops over the next few weeks to try and get one.

Nah, don't understand. Its a minor revision of an existing product, what's so exciting about it?

Well for me the HD video recording is a big plus as I have my first child on the way so it'll be really nice to capture all those moments of him/her growing up. I upgraded from a 3G too so it's feels so much faster than that. Also the 3G can't do multitasking either so really it feels like a major upgrade rather than a 'minor revision'.
-EVRE- 24th June 2010, 16:40 Quote
... and mac people bash 'the other guys' for their product quality...
wuyanxu 24th June 2010, 17:27 Quote
got a bumper case for my iPhone 4, no signal loss. although i have tryed to duplicate this issue without the bumper case, without success.

it's a design flaw expected from external metal antennas.
chocolateraisins 24th June 2010, 18:34 Quote
HTC Desire anyone?
Shadow_101 24th June 2010, 18:37 Quote
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Apple is using a bonding agent called Organofunctional Silane Z-6011 to bond the layers of glass. Apparently, Apple (or more likely Foxconn) is shipping these products so quickly that the evaporation process is not complete. However, after one or two days of use, especially with the screen on, will complete the evaporation process and the yellow "blotches" will disappear. How do I know? I was involved in pitching Z-6011 to Apple.
Engadget iphone yellowing
Sloth 24th June 2010, 19:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by barndoor101
apparently, they dropped calls issue is fixed by using a plastic/rubber sleeve that fits round the metal ring - the one available is $29 from the apple store.

keep drinking that kool-aid apple kids...
And here I thought the iPad case was a rip-off being sold separately! At least that product actually works as intended without extras. This is taking accessorization to a whole new level! :)
ZERO <ibis> 24th June 2010, 21:29 Quote
Who could have seen this coming.....
bobwya 24th June 2010, 21:43 Quote
1) So your body is grounding the antenna and will be absorbing a great deal more microwave radiation (the phone will surely boost transmit power to deal with the low signal strength) ... That's not going to help Mr Jobs cancer problems is it...

2) So the larger OLED display, used in competing Smartphones (read Samsung Galaxy S, et al), are rubbish right Mr Jobs?? Last thing I hard they were the next gen. replacement for older liquid crystal technology (IPS/PVA,panels etc.)
Hmmm wonder if you can use the iPhone 4 in sunlight (an epic fail on the iPhone 3GS/iPod touch 3G). My iPod touch 3G is highly adverse to sunlight when playing video... The Jobs iPhone 4 demonstration was carried out in a very dimly lit auditorium...
Kasius 24th June 2010, 21:47 Quote
RE: the yellowing issue.. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=949005

Edit: Beaten to it :(
Madness_3d 24th June 2010, 23:02 Quote
Mines fine. Except the Video Camera doesn't work -.-

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z193/madness_3d/35390_10150194666120371_851930370_1.jpg

Outside my local O2 store. Luckily I switched to Vodafone and was only ~6th in the vodafone store. Went in at 7:45 was out at 9 ish
FuzzyOne 25th June 2010, 01:50 Quote
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/

All you iPhone 4 users having signal problems?, your holding it wrong. lol

Summed up best I think by a comment in that post..
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This is a product of the culture Apple has cultivated and the fans have bought into. Only Apple can get away with releasing a phone that doesn't make phone calls because they know whatever they release, 600k people will buy it sight unseen. Then when problems start rolling in, Apple knows they can blame the user and they will take it in stride.

For all you people who spent all day refreshing the Apple store webpage trying to get a preorder through, or stood in line for 3 days to be the first kid on your block to have the shiniest new toy: this is your fault.

Now it's your responsibility to set it right by voting with your wallet. Return your iPhone and don't buy a new one until this is met with a response other than "Hold it differently"
2bdetermine 25th June 2010, 01:56 Quote
What should a bit-tech iPhone 4 review look like?

How about don't even bother review at all.
l3v1ck 25th June 2010, 04:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by chocolateraisins
HTC Desire anyone?
Way ahead of you.
It's an awesome phone/OS.
l3v1ck 25th June 2010, 04:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
Who could have seen this coming.....
You'd have hoped that Apple's quality control/testing department would have.
Jehla 25th June 2010, 07:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
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Originally Posted by Jehla
I've been trying to replicate the signal loss, but it is not shifting at all.
Are you right handed or left handed? One rumour I've seen on the 'net suggests that the signal loss only happens when the 'phone is held in the left hand, with a digit covering the volume button.

After seeing exactly how it was done I've manage to do it a couple of times now, still not an exact science for me. I'm really having to try to do it too, though I'm not what you would call clammy handed.

I'll consider it a secret feature allowing me to have calls drop during uncomfortable conversations, I'll just need to carry a paper clip or something round with me :P.
wuyanxu 25th June 2010, 08:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jehla
After seeing exactly how it was done I've manage to do it a couple of times now, still not an exact science for me. I'm really having to try to do it too, though I'm not what you would call clammy handed.

I'll consider it a secret feature allowing me to have calls drop during uncomfortable conversations, I'll just need to carry a paper clip or something round with me :P.
lol, makes me wonder why Apple didn't call it a feature and slap another £50 onto the price tag.
modfx 25th June 2010, 08:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by giantegg
This makes me so happy.

i concur
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
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Originally Posted by chocolateraisins
HTC Desire anyone?
Way ahead of you.
It's an awesome phone/OS.

On a side note, whats peoples opinions on the X10 experia?
rickysio 25th June 2010, 08:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by modfx
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
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Originally Posted by chocolateraisins
HTC Desire anyone?
Way ahead of you.
It's an awesome phone/OS.

On a side note, whats peoples opinions on the X10 experia?

One of the top Android phones. Just that apparently quite a lot of people don't like it for some reason.
modfx 25th June 2010, 08:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
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Originally Posted by modfx
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
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Originally Posted by chocolateraisins
HTC Desire anyone?
Way ahead of you.
It's an awesome phone/OS.

On a side note, whats peoples opinions on the X10 experia?

One of the top Android phones. Just that apparently quite a lot of people don't like it for some reason.

I was having a play with one in the carphone warehouse a couple of months ago, seemed like an awesome phonwe and was gonna get it but the guy there said it was brand new out and he couldnt give me much info on reliability, battery life etc so i left it lol
[USRF]Obiwan 25th June 2010, 09:35 Quote
Did you hear the latest?

Steve Jobs to Lefties: Hold the iPhone 4 differently or buy a case!

I can't believe people will take this **** for granted. Only apple fans will say this is a feature or a new good way to hold your phone...

I believe it is done on purpose. So Apple can sell expensive cases.
SNIPERMikeUK 25th June 2010, 09:43 Quote
It's all a case of apple bitten off more than they can chew, release the ipad in the same month the iphone 4 is released, I had 2 ipads returned them with dead pixels on the screen, got a refund lost interest now....
Psytek 25th June 2010, 10:32 Quote
The screen discoloration is because of the bonding agent they use to attack the glass/touch surface/lcd, apparently they are being maufactured and shipped to consumer so fast that the bonding agent is still not fully dry/set. Users are reporting that over time the yellow patches go away as the agent dries.
ledbythereaper 25th June 2010, 10:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
One of the top Android phones. Just that apparently quite a lot of people don't like it for some reason.

Because Sony Ericsson aren't know for reliability and build quality when it comes to phones
JaredC01 25th June 2010, 10:47 Quote
As said a couple of times, there's not enough of an 'upgrade' in the new phone to warrant people with a 3GS 'upgrading' to the 4... Combine that fail with dual-sided glass that shatters with a foot drop (as reported), and you've got yourself a crippled device that will be adopted by the majority of society simply because the 'OMG IT'S A NEW APPLE' craze is still here.

What's new?

There's a front facing VGA resolution camera that you can only use for video conferencing when you have a Wifi connection, which defeats the purpose of putting it on a mobile device. Oh, and there's now a flash on the camera so you can capture the extra two mega pixels that the rest of the world has had for the past year in low-light conditions!

In all seriousness, upping the processor speed and increasing the pixel density is NOT enough to warrant a whole new device. The screen is the same size, the applications are the same (and since they're all made to run on ALL iPhone / iTouch devices, they will limit the processor in the iPhone 4), the OS is the same... Even the argument that it's thinner is out because with the extra glass on the back you'll HAVE to get a hard case like an Otterbox just to keep your phone from breaking when the inevitable drop occurs. I literally see ZERO reason to upgrade to an iPhone 4 if you've already got a 3GS.

I think I'll stick with my Evo 4G and my customizable Android OS.
Nexxo 25th June 2010, 10:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mi1ez
YSOD? nah, not quite.

What a poor bit of design, although hasn't making calls been a weekness of all the iphones?

form over function
Can't say I ever had problems with call quality on my 3G for the 20 months I've had it.

In fact, in tricky spots of the hospitals where I work (wards with lots of screened walls because of imaging equipment) I can pick up a signal where many other phones can't. Turns out that the common denominator is the telecom provider. O2 works fine, others like Orange don't.
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Originally Posted by javaman
First alarm bells where when jobs was trying to demo the phone himself and by trying to connect to the internet and failed. the technicians in the back got it working and before Jobs tried to demo it again he got everyone to turn their "wi-fi devices" off cause they where interfering. Excellent stuff, go in to starbucks and tell everyone to turn their devices off cause you need the wi-fi and your iphone has to have exclusive connection.
I doubt that your local Starbucks will have 670 WiFi hosts in the same room.
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Originally Posted by SNIPERMikeUK
It's all a case of apple bitten off more than they can chew, release the ipad in the same month the iphone 4 is released, I had 2 ipads returned them with dead pixels on the screen, got a refund lost interest now....
No, this is a case of Apple trying to churn them out fast to keep up with consumer demand. Apple really should just slow down to ensure quality control, but then people will moan that they can't get their shiny toy now. On the other hand, of the two million iPads sold we have had very few complaints, so I guess that 99.9% of the time it functions just fine.

We've been there before. All new products have their teething problems --it is why I'm not an early adopter on principle (yes, I'm eligible for the iPhone 4 upgrade. No, I'm not queueing for one. I'm kind of busy working for a living right now. I'll get one in a few months when the hysteria has died down).

What I can't get my head around is that people actually think that this is an inherent design flaw; that the kind of design engineers who work for a multi-million dollar company would not have thoroughly tested their new antenna design and taken body contact conductivity/interference issues into account (usually touching an antenna improves reception, by the way). The signal issue may just be a software glitch of iOS 4. People have been able to replicate the issue on up-flashed 3G's and 3GS's. I have as well --holding my 3G in the lower left corner loses a bar of the signal. Interestingly, people have also observed that even when the indicator shows no signal left at all, call quality is just fine.

Similar problems have been reported on the Google Nexus One. It is just something that is inevitable in mobile devices. I expect that there will just be a firmware update and the problem will be sorted.
AshT 25th June 2010, 15:24 Quote
Guys, I have a case for my 3G made by a company called Vaja. The point is that those who worry about having issues or already have issues should check them out, I believe the positioning of the leather may well stop the issues due to restricting the shorting of the various antenna. They aren't cheap, but they are v sexy ... or at least I love mine. I've only just found out that they do iPad leather cases as well ...

Vaja

EDIT: ... gutted, coming soon.
Tokukachi 25th June 2010, 16:02 Quote
Well Just got done returning mine to O2, this phone, it its current state is useless. I'm right handed but have large hands and there no way i can hold the phone to my ear without touching the lower left corner, other than holding it like an idiot clamped between my thumb and index finger or right at the top.

Unfortunately i live in an area where I only get 1-2 bats, and as soon as i pick it up it drops down to none and then searching so is in fact, useless :(

There were 2 other people in the O2 store returning it for the same reason while I was there.

Pics of how I hold a phone (3GS now substituted for 4g).

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd341/Neat693/iphone1.jpg
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd341/Neat693/iphone2.jpg

This is how is is in my hand when its next to my ear and feels very natural for me, i'm sure someone will tell me i'm holing it wrong somehow...

It's a shame, as apart from this it appeared to be a great upgrade from the 3gs, now I just have to wait for my account to be transferred back onto my full size sim.
Nexxo 25th June 2010, 20:53 Quote
Many people report no reception issue at all, so perhaps you could try a different unit.

This reminds me of a similarly peculiar issue with the Palm IIIc. Initially there was a problem with the plastic casing on a batch of them --factory got the mix wrong somehow, making the cases slightly more brittle and prone to cracking. When people exchanged their cracked units, a new problem altogether manifested itself: with screen brightness turned up fully, graffity recognition went down the toilet. If you throttled the screen brightness down to below 50% it was fine.

The problem was: it took Palm ages to cotton on to this. People would return their IIIc for graffity problems and technical staff would reset the device and test it. Unfortunately the default value for screen brightness was 50% so of course they did not experience a problem; as such the units were shipped out as replacement for subsequent exchanges... I remember having to return my IIIc twice for that reason until I brow-beat them with the Sales of Goods act and TOLD them in no uncertain terms to FOR F*** SAKE TURN THE SCREEN BRIGHTNESS TO 100% BEFORE YOU TEST GRAFFITY RECOGNITION, one more dud unit and I would demand a refund. That solved the problem for me.

I would not be surprised if there was a batch of iPhone 4's with a capacitor or something that is slightly off value, or that there is a wonky relationship with screen brightness or something. The Palm IIIc story illustrates that many new devices have their teething problems. I'm sure anyone can think of anecdotes. Remember the floating point issue in the first Pentium chips? Sony laptops overheating? The Nvidia's 8800gt d.o.a. issue? The motherboard 'capacitor plague' of the early noughties? Sure you do. New tech always has problems. Complex new tech has complex problems.
kloisle 25th June 2010, 21:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
Did you hear the latest?

Steve Jobs to Lefties: Hold the iPhone 4 differently or buy a case!

I can't believe people will take this **** for granted. Only apple fans will say this is a feature or a new good way to hold your phone...

I believe it is done on purpose. So Apple can sell expensive cases.

...um u can buy a third party case for like $19 tho...
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaredC01
As said a couple of times, there's not enough of an 'upgrade' in the new phone to warrant people with a 3GS 'upgrading' to the 4... Combine that fail with dual-sided glass that shatters with a foot drop (as reported), and you've got yourself a crippled device that will be adopted by the majority of society simply because the 'OMG IT'S A NEW APPLE' craze is still here.

What's new?

There's a front facing VGA resolution camera that you can only use for video conferencing when you have a Wifi connection, which defeats the purpose of putting it on a mobile device. Oh, and there's now a flash on the camera so you can capture the extra two mega pixels that the rest of the world has had for the past year in low-light conditions!

In all seriousness, upping the processor speed and increasing the pixel density is NOT enough to warrant a whole new device. The screen is the same size, the applications are the same (and since they're all made to run on ALL iPhone / iTouch devices, they will limit the processor in the iPhone 4), the OS is the same... Even the argument that it's thinner is out because with the extra glass on the back you'll HAVE to get a hard case like an Otterbox just to keep your phone from breaking when the inevitable drop occurs. I literally see ZERO reason to upgrade to an iPhone 4 if you've already got a 3GS.

I think I'll stick with my Evo 4G and my customizable Android OS.


lol
Ok, ok; my iPhone 3GS is jailbroken and just as customizable as your droid dude. No you don't have to get a HARD case, just a rubberized one. Like every other phone, screen is the same but more pixels, HD video recording and multitasking; which all the app makers are modifying their apps for.

Plus the phone looks damn hot. I'm sure a lot of people drop their 'droids once and they break, but an iphone breaking is highlighted because there's a lot of hype surrounding it.

How many people have said they dropped their iPhone by accident and it broke? I read my 19 tech rss feeds everyday and I've only seen two reports of that happening so what were you saying?. If you jailbreak the iPhone 4 you can have multitasking of ALL apps, all the features of your Evo 4g and more.

Btw facetime will soon be using 3G.
Krikkit 25th June 2010, 22:09 Quote
Most people would point out that you shouldn't have to heavily modify a piece of tech to function in a similar way to its competitors when it costs at least as much.

As far as busting an iPhone goes it isn't hard, compared to other touchscreen phones though? Who knows. Not many folks in truth.

kloisle please try and use proper language and grammar next time, that was absolutely abysmal.
BadHead 26th June 2010, 01:08 Quote
This is why only an idiot or a mac fan boy (Same thing?) buys a first generation Mac product.

I have a iPhone 3GS and there's no problem with it. And I plan to buy an iPad sometime - but not until the 2nd or 3rd Generation.
BadHead 26th June 2010, 01:09 Quote
Just to add to the above - the iPhone 4G can be considered a first egenration device as so many things in it are new, ecpecially the screen.
barndoor101 26th June 2010, 01:10 Quote
i think maybe a drop test should be first up. i would lol.
BadHead 26th June 2010, 01:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by greigaitken
to fix the dropped call issue - apple should realease an iphone glove. Pure white. you'll get to look like MJ too.
Although said glove may suffer same problems as their screens......

Yeah and they'd charge $150 for it - and they'd still be a whole big bunch of twats lining up outside Apple stores for hours to buy it.
BadHead 26th June 2010, 01:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadHead
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Originally Posted by greigaitken
to fix the dropped call issue - apple should realease an iphone glove. Pure white. you'll get to look like MJ too.
Although said glove may suffer same problems as their screens......

Yeah and they'd charge $150 for it - and they'd still be a whole big bunch of twats lining up outside Apple stores for hours to buy it.

And they'd still only get it right in the 2nd or 3rd generation.

The first generation would only have 4 fingers or something.

But the Mac fan boys would still call that a 'feature'
BadHead 26th June 2010, 01:17 Quote
Although, in all seriousness, this'd be solved by a case. I've got a Alkr case for my 3GS. Don't know if they've started to make cases for 4G though.
N19h7m4r3 27th June 2010, 10:49 Quote
Why do people call the new iPhone the 4G?

It's not a 4G phone and no where in any of it's documentation is it called 4G or stating it can use 4G.

It' just the iPhone 4, or better the new iPod Touch without any internet. Since it's can't make calls or use the net at the moment.
It's a disgrace that you spend almost £500 on a phone and it won't even work as advertised, so you have to buy and bumper or case.

No one should stand for that, no matter how good it might be.
robots 28th June 2010, 11:33 Quote
I agree, except for the 4g thing. I'm pretty sure it can do 4g, that was largely the point of the upgrade.
wuyanxu 28th June 2010, 11:49 Quote
the point of upgrade are: speed, display, camera, and new external design.
macpac7 28th June 2010, 23:19 Quote
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interesting, going went droid myself (on verizon, can't help it). Now especially glad I did.
MylesGood 1st July 2010, 13:28 Quote
Picture quality and screen clarity are excellent but after 1 week the persistent network loss makes the iPhone 4 fatally flawed. It really isn't the way it's held. The phone drops the network whilst it is in my pocket and cannot cope with changes of transmitter signal. As I drive 65 miles each day in relatively open but well masted country the signal comes and goes as the phone rests on the passenger seat with nothing touching the metal case band . Any attempt to use 3G internet connections is thwarted as the phone searches for signal and gets stuck in a refresh loop. All this for £45 each month to O2 and it is not as though I can reject it and ask for my old 3G sim to be reactivated and recover the unlimited data contract. All a huge disappointment after a perfect iphone classic followed by a 3G and so much other Apple kit that works perfectly. Difficult to see how Apple and O2 can remedy the problem. Maybe it's a rogue sim but I doubt it. I suspect I need a PAC to keep my number and take a new 3GS contract with another network.
AshT 1st July 2010, 15:38 Quote
Latest news is that Apple has told their staff not to give out free bumpers to fix the issue. Items that cost less than a pound to make ...
applenomore 1st July 2010, 21:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by AshT
Would like to hear from UK guys who get their phones today, see if you get the same issues.

I had the Iphone 4 for 2 days and im sorry to say it was a nightmare. I'm left handed and everytime i made a call the signal dropped and i lost the connection. Apple told me to hold the phone differently or buy a bumper. I was so upset and angry that i sent the phone back and got a full refund. My advice would be certainly don't buy it until they come up with a new model
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