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Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear

Nvidia GTX 460 - more real by the day.

Nvidia's upcoming GeForce GTX 460 graphics card gets more real by the day, as leaks continue to flow like goals at a World Cup something that actually happens quite frequently. The GTX 460 is built from the ground up to be a mid-range part, unlike the cut-down GF100-based (and disappointing) GeForce GTX 465.

Chinese website Expreview, has images of the upcoming card with its retail cooler strapped on. It looks like a tiny card, though the cooler is still of the dual-slot variety, indicating that there's a fair amount of gaming power on offer. We've already seen supposed pictures of the new GF104 chip underneath as well.

German website heise online also claims to 'finally unveil' the specs, and it's pretty much what we've previously seen.

We're anticipating two models of GTX 460, with only the different memory sizes and bandwidths differentiating them. The GPU is set to have 336 'CUDA cores', or stream processors as most rational people call them, which is only 16 less than the GTX 465 and slightly more than half the 512 that a full-fat GF100 chip can contain (remember that even the top-end GeForce GTX 480 has 32 stream processors disabled).

The GPU runs at a core speed of 675MHz and the stream processors at 1,350MHz. The GTX 460 1GB has 1GB of 1,800MHz memory operating on a 256-bit bus while the 768MB version has a skinnier 192-bit bus even if it keeps the same clock speed. While it's unclear at the moment, a (presumably effective) memory speed of 1,800MHz indicates the use of cheaper GDDR3 memory, rather than the quad-pumped GDDR5 of the GTX 465, GTX 470 and GTX 480, and the ATI Radeon HD 5000-series.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear Nvidia GTX 460 retail photos tip up
Table courtesy of heise online.

The 1GB cards has a claimed retail price of $250, while the 768MB version is due to cost $230. As a teaser, apparently a stock-voltage GTX 460 was overclocked from a core frequency of 675MHz to 830MHz while the application of extra voltage managed to push the core beyond 900MHz. This overclock is claimed to have made the card match the GeForce GTX 470 for performance.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear Nvidia GTX 460 retail photos tip up

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear Nvidia GTX 460 retail photos tip up

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear Nvidia GTX 460 retail photos tip up

Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 photos and specs appear Nvidia GTX 460 retail photos tip up

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rickysio 25th June 2010, 15:22 Quote
Desperation move. If it yields results, all the better.
Redbeaver 25th June 2010, 15:39 Quote
if a $250 card can overclock 200+mhz and can compare to 470 performance,. then yes, i know what im buying...

ps: im an nvidia fanboi. just to be clear on that.
perplekks45 25th June 2010, 16:02 Quote
It looks tiiiiiiiiiiny!
adam_bagpuss 25th June 2010, 16:04 Quote
if it did overclock that well then why the hell would anybody buy a 465 or 470. if its true Nvidia have just kicked themselves in the nuts.

i highly doubt this is true
isaac12345 25th June 2010, 16:12 Quote
U mentioned it was overclocked as a teaser, could u provide the source please?
Hustler 25th June 2010, 16:39 Quote
Hmmm, twice the bandwidth and nearly 4 times the fill rate of my 4850.....for the 1Gb version

£140-160 and i'd think about it.......

Something is desperately needed to fill the £150 market gap that exists right now, as the 5850 is ludicrously overpriced at £225....
Bindibadgi 25th June 2010, 16:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by isaac12345
U mentioned it was overclocked as a teaser, could u provide the source please?

Just the reference to Expreview who made the claims from the same person they got the photos and screenshots of the GTX 460 driver page from.
lp1988 25th June 2010, 16:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Something is desperately needed to fill the £150 market gap that exists right now, as the 5850 is ludicrously overpriced at £225....

That isn't going to happen until Nvidia comes out with an actually competitive product, and judging by what we have seen so far, it is going to take a while.

currently the most competition ATI has is from itself, and its own (hopefully soon to come) 6XXX. As of now ATI don't have to do anything but sit still and make some money. In the mean time they are preparing the 6XXX series so it can be launched at the time, Nvidia has anything which can compete with the 5XXX range.
mrbens 25th June 2010, 17:04 Quote
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The 1GB cards has a claimed retail price of $250, while the 768MB version is due to cost $230.

How stupidly rediculous! Why bother releasing 2 cards at practically the same price that run at different speeds and both under the same name? Just makes the graphics card market even more confusing.

They should just release the 1GB version. Who's really gonna worry about the extra few $ for a better card unless benchmark scores show they just give the same performance which I doubt.
13eightyfour 25th June 2010, 17:08 Quote
In theory then the 1Gb should come in around £170, If thats the case and they clock somewhere near a GTX470, i reckon they could become the bargain SLi setup of this gen.

SLi GTX465's arent that far from a 5970 at stock speeds from what ive read, so somewhere near 5970 performance for almost half the price? Sign me up.

BUT we all know it isnt going to hit £170, probably more like £180-£200 which means its going to have to be one hell of a card if pricewise it come that close to the 5850
Tangster 25th June 2010, 17:38 Quote
If it is any good then ATi will just price drop and make it uncompetitive.
TWeaK 25th June 2010, 19:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by lp1988
In the mean time they are preparing the 6XXX series so it can be launched at the time, Nvidia has anything which can compete with the 5XXX range.

I don't think ATI will be bringing the 6 series out any time soon. A while back they had an interview on here with a guy from ATI who basically said they've got a few more iterations of the 5 series to bring out if Fermi was actually competitive. Also, don't forget like others have said they can just do a price drop before they even have to bother bringing anything new out.
lp1988 25th June 2010, 20:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by TWeaK
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Originally Posted by lp1988
In the mean time they are preparing the 6XXX series so it can be launched at the time, Nvidia has anything which can compete with the 5XXX range.

I don't think ATI will be bringing the 6 series out any time soon. A while back they had an interview on here with a guy from ATI who basically said they've got a few more iterations of the 5 series to bring out if Fermi was actually competitive. Also, don't forget like others have said they can just do a price drop before they even have to bother bringing anything new out.

This is true.

What they might do is bring a single or two cards of the 6 series as "high end" cards and the charge a premium price for these. The reason for thinking this way is that the new cards has always been cheaper to produce on a Cost/performance level, so a single or two cards at a high price and a low production cost.
Elton 25th June 2010, 20:58 Quote
Even with a price drop though, the cards are still dissapointing.

I still need to get a used HD4850 for crossfire, which incidentally would equal a HD5850 in most cases.
frontline 25th June 2010, 21:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton
Even with a price drop though, the cards are still dissapointing.

I still need to get a used HD4850 for crossfire, which incidentally would equal a HD5850 in most cases.

Maybe, but make sure you have a well ventilated PC - i ran 2 x 4850's in crossfire for a while and whilst it offered great price/performance as a setup, it also dumped a lot of heat into the case. I had an Antec P180 with 3 separate chassis fans and it was still hard to shift the excess heat.
alwayssts 26th June 2010, 02:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by adam_bagpuss
if it did overclock that well then why the hell would anybody buy a 465 or 470. if its true Nvidia have just kicked themselves in the nuts.

i highly doubt this is true

I highly suspect it is true because:

A. This is why it is stock-clocked so low, so the 470/480 have breathing room. That and...

B. nVIDIA needs a part to compete against 5830 and 5850...even if accounting for overclocking (which I think will put them pretty equal) yesterday. Not to mention...

C. They HAVE to put out something for the < 2x6-pin (150-225W) market. One should also consider...

D. nVIDIA sucks at planning for processes. The whole of GF100 is the obvious example, but also that 750-775L/~900H are the sweetspots for power consumption/clocks on 40nm. If you design a chip for a certain performance based on knowing this, you likely wouldn't design a chip with this whole spec unless....

E. They're waiting for GF100 to clear the market before releasing it in a full iteration - 384sp and a reasonable price tag ($299?) to take the crown from Cypress. Staggering releases not only to maximize profit, but to give time for GF100 to have it's (half-baked) moment in the sun...and to regain loses. With reasonable clocks at stock, it should be on-par to a 5870, or faster than a 470, which would be bad for them with 470 still being sold, not to mention with overclocking ability exceeding the stock performance of their current and future (512sp) $500+ parts. With high stock clocks on a full part, it could undoubtably beat a GTX480, the same for a 336sp part and 470, but I don't expect that clockspeed increase (/'new products') until the first renaming, which will happen when GF100 is completely gone, and they know what they're fighting against on the Southern Islands front (my guess would be 6850 for the 384 part, 6770 for the 336sp part).

I expect the 256-bit part to be a wash against the 5850 after overclocking, likely with pretty similar power consumption. While that sounds all well and good for nVIDIA, as they have physX, CUDA, etc to break the tie for many people, one of two things are going to happen, if not both.

A. The 256-bit part will sell well, the price will increase, and 5850 will look like an equal if not better option.

B. ATi will lower the price of the 5850 to compete with the the 256-bit version...and completely decimate it when they are compared at stock in reviews.

In closing, this will be a good product, especially for overclockers. The thing is, a 384sp part is what they need, and if it exists, they can't/won't release it because of GF100...the same goes for higher clocks on this part, and that's going to screw them. By the time they finally put it (or them) out there, they will be competing with Southern Islands.
alwayssts 26th June 2010, 02:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by mrbens
How stupidly rediculous! Why bother releasing 2 cards at practically the same price that run at different speeds and both under the same name? Just makes the graphics card market even more confusing.

They should just release the 1GB version. Who's really gonna worry about the extra few $ for a better card unless benchmark scores show they just give the same performance which I doubt.


My argument for that is two-fold.

1. The 256-bit part probably has 32 ROPs, the 192-bit 24. I really do not get why they'd do this other than to keep power down...and purposely hamper performance with the lower-bus and memory. Sure, it probably helps yields with the lower ROPs, but my guess is it's aiming to squarely at the 5830.

2. I don't think they'll be at the same price for long. Depending on what ATi does (lower the price on 5850 and/or 5830) the 256-bit version will go up or the 192-bit version will go down.

At least...That's my best guess at nVIDIA's plan.
Tulatin 26th June 2010, 06:07 Quote
Needing 2 PCI-E 6 pins and a dual slot cooler on a midrange part is sort of dicey. I don't really mind the dual slot cooler myself (though I'm sure I would were I to run an matx / itx build), the two connectors make it sort of a hard sell for me. I dread the day when I have to go deal with a system that has a blown PSU due to this being chained to one molex via a field of adapters.
rickysio 26th June 2010, 09:35 Quote
I don't mind - if this is sufficiently potent, I can just see myself getting it. My 600W PSU won't run away, after all!
Hustler 26th June 2010, 11:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
I don't mind - if this is sufficiently potent, I can just see myself getting it. My 600W PSU won't run away, after all!

Of course a 600w will run it.....you can run a 5870 on a 500w for goodness sake.
alpha0ne23 27th June 2010, 06:46 Quote
Why dont they use GDDR5 for higher performance ???
rickysio 27th June 2010, 09:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne23
Why dont they use GDDR5 for higher performance ???

$$$
capnPedro 27th June 2010, 12:10 Quote
Does anyone remember when Nvidia released the 8800GT? Overclocks to almost the full performance of an 8800GTX but much cheaper, much cooler, requires less power and comes with a single slot cooler? Evolution rather than revolution with a die shrink and some clever design improvements...

Good times...

I half expected the GTX460 to be a similar sort of release. Apparently not.
rickysio 27th June 2010, 14:25 Quote
Mostly because TSMC shat bricks onto nVidia's strategy of creating huge dies and using die shrinks to save their asses.
Bindibadgi 27th June 2010, 15:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by rickysio
Mostly because TSMC shat bricks onto nVidia's strategy of creating huge dies and using die shrinks to save their asses.

Well TSMC are governed by the laws of physics and they aren't the only semi-conductor company out there. Nvidia should have done the research a bit earlier like ATI did with HD 4770. ;)
kingjohn 27th June 2010, 15:42 Quote
price drop never happen , new gpu same price or more cause its new and not many in stock . intel does same with cpu germany 2 england 1 i think as i type , GTX 470 for me aa on its faster than a ati 5870 for less money nuff said .
Bindibadgi 27th June 2010, 15:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by kingjohn
GTX 470 for me aa on its faster than a ati 5870 for less money nuff said .

I have a question: Why do you keep posting this in every single post you make? It's not even that relevant here.
trek554 27th June 2010, 16:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne23
Why dont they use GDDR5 for higher performance ???

they are using gddr5
Tangster 27th June 2010, 18:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingjohn
GTX 470 for me aa on its faster than a ati 5870 for less money nuff said .

I have a question: Why do you keep posting this in every single post you make? It's not even that relevant here.
Banhammer?
hyperion 28th June 2010, 00:09 Quote
The mid-range is getting alot more expensive than it used to be :(
Bindibadgi 28th June 2010, 03:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tangster
Banhammer?

Tempted. Either that or to edit everyone with something funny.
alpha0ne23 28th June 2010, 04:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingjohn
price drop never happen , new gpu same price or more cause its new and not many in stock . intel does same with cpu germany 2 england 1 i think as i type , GTX 470 for me aa on its faster than a ati 5870 for less money nuff said .

So whats the going rate these days for an nV shill ???

If the 460 really does use GDDR5 then why is it clocked so low, the bus not wide enough ???
Elton 28th June 2010, 04:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne23
So whats the going rate these days for an nV shill ???

If the 460 really does use GDDR5 then why is it clocked so low, the bus not wide enough ???

Wouldn't a small bus = higher clocks to compensate?

I have a feeling it's a cost saving measure, no need to get high clocked RAM chips. That or it's intentional crippling.
Bindibadgi 28th June 2010, 04:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne23

If the 460 really does use GDDR5 then why is it clocked so low, the bus not wide enough ???

It's either:
  • Cheaper memory to hit the cost - memory prices have been increasing all round
  • or less memory power hardware to hit the cost and board size.
  • or Nvidia doesn't want it eating into their GTX 470/480 sales with a performance that's too close
  • Supply issue? Demand for fast GDDR5 is high because ATI uses it in everything and NV uses it for GTX 480/470/465 already.
xaser04 28th June 2010, 08:45 Quote
Assuming the thermals and power consumption are decent Nvidia might finallyhave something that could form the basis of a HD59570 competing product.
trek554 28th June 2010, 10:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne23
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingjohn
price drop never happen , new gpu same price or more cause its new and not many in stock . intel does same with cpu germany 2 england 1 i think as i type , GTX 470 for me aa on its faster than a ati 5870 for less money nuff said .

So whats the going rate these days for an nV shill ???

If the 460 really does use GDDR5 then why is it clocked so low, the bus not wide enough ???

its at 3600 so its not really all that low. it could be kept artificially low at this point so as not to eclipse the gtx465 too badly.
Grape Flavor 29th June 2010, 03:43 Quote
Pretty disappointing to see there doesn't seem to be a 384SP part at launch.
DocJonz 2nd July 2010, 06:38 Quote
For us Folding nuts, the key questions are, "what is the ...
- PPD (Points per Day for the non-Folders among you)?
- Power consumption?
- Operating temperature under full load (24/7 use)?
- UK cost?"
.... probably in that order :-)
NortyOne 2nd July 2010, 13:43 Quote
This does seem a strange marketting ploy. Not only will it quite obviously (if the rumors are actually true) beat down the GTX465 making it kinda pointless, but being capable of GTX470 performance as well surely they are going to not only shoot themselves in the foot, but blow their whole leg off?
im a little scepticle, but having been watching the GTX 470 for some time with interest this has thrown a curve ball into the mix. My guess is that maybe the card will be designed at making current games comfertably playable where the ATI's are currently thrashing in all areas (ps this bothers me as i am also an Nvidia 'fanboi' lol) due to lack of Dx11 / tessalation support. However, if the Cost is around the £180 mark, then maybe its going to be set to be quite an awesome SLI proposition, as if it can nearly match a 470, surely two will match or even out do the GTX480? i'd like to see SLI for these upon release both stock and overclocked. Maybe then will i consider selling on my 260's

Either way it seems a little wierd, im going to hold off doing anything till a see them appear
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