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Sony drops MP3, CD, DLNA support from PS4

Sony drops MP3, CD, DLNA support from PS4

Sony's PlayStation 4 console will not include basic multimedia functionality present on the PlayStation 3 - including DLNA streaming and CD audio playback.

Sony has released a list of factoids surrounding its upcoming next-generation PlayStation 4 console, and they reveal a surprising number of features present in the PlayStation 3 which won't be making it across to the new device.

Due to launch late next month, the PS4 is a dramatic shift from Sony's previous consoles. Based, as with Microsoft's rival Xbox One, on a semi-custom eight-core AMD accelerated processing unit, the device is the company's most PC-like console yet - right down to the use of a BSD-based operating system.

While the new architecture brings with it considerable performance gains over its predecessor - at least one game developer has confirmed that its flagship title will be running at 1080p/60 on the console - Sony is also sacrificing some much-loved functionality, and seemingly doing so in the name of profit.

In what Sony describes as The Ultimate FAQ, the company has unveiled some previously unknown facts regarding the upcoming console. While many relate to shiny new features like the revamped graphical user interface - known, apparently, as the PlayStation Dynamic Menu - and the ability to have 2,000 PlayStation Network friends, others reveal missing functionality that could give some cause to reconsider their purchase decision.

Chief among these is the removal of media playback support in the PS4. Unlike the PS3, Sony explains, the PS4 will not be able to act as a client device for Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) streaming, play MP3 files from any storage device, or even play back audio CDs. For those who use their existing PS3s for more than just playing games, this news will likely come as a blow - and is near-inexplicable, given that Sony was the founding member of the DLNA.

The reason becomes clear when you read the company's FAQ, however. Asked whether the PS4 will support playing a user's own background music during gameplay - a standard feature of the Xbox 360, and a feature supported by a large number of PS3 games - the company's reply is thus: 'The Music Unlimited streaming service will allow you to listen to music while you play PS4 games. A subscription to Music Unlimited is required.'

In other words: yes, you can listen to music during gameplay, just as you do for free on the PS3, but only if you cough up a minimum of £4.99 a month for Music Unlimited's Access Plan or £9.99 a month for the cross-platform Premium Plan. Likewise, if you fancy watching a film on your PS4 you can't stream it from your DLNA-compatible home server as you did with your PS3 - but you can pay to stream it from Sony's Video Unlimited instead.

Other features, too, appear to be moving the PS4 into far more of a limited, locked-down system than the PS3: the FAQ listing confirms that the PS4 has no support for external hard drives, something the PS3 supports just fine.

While Sony has yet to make a formal statement following the uproar caused by the release of the FAQ, its executives have taken to social networking services to quell unrest. None have stated an intention to change the status quo, however, but merely indicated they will 'feed back' to the developers - opening the possibility that the functionality may be re-inserted some time after launch. For now, though, those who use the multimedia features of their PS3 heavily would do well to reconsider an upgrade to the PS4.

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sandys 31st October 2013, 11:47 Quote
It's a bit of a loss of functionality I guess they're looking to make some money this generation rather than hemorrhaging cash in the early phase like last gen

My tv does it all these days so not too bothered, just need bluray from it really. The loss of PS3 remote functionality is a bigger deal to me, that control is awesome for movies, perhaps they will release a neater one for ps4

At least they can focus on its main function gaming and not get lost in the other stuff, I imagine it's all the extra bloat that is hampering the X1 at the moment.
[USRF]Obiwan 31st October 2013, 11:47 Quote
Ha! There goes you freedom of listening or watching you're own content. Guess your huge collection form itunes and netflix can go and F*** themselves beccause Sony wants you money again for the same.

Reminds me of the old days when your Starwars video became a milkcow > laserdisc > dvd > bluray > streaming > sony stream (pay > pay again > pay again > pay again > and some more )
Cthippo 31st October 2013, 11:51 Quote
Oh, yeah, I remember why we all hate Sony. Just when you start to forget about the crap they have pulled in the past they remind you what a greedy POS company they really are.

Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but I believe that the steambox can't help but catch some of the attitudes of it's linux platform and as a result will be profitable without raping it's customers.
xaser04 31st October 2013, 12:00 Quote
WTF, I thought these were simply not being included at launch due to fimrware issues (obviously mis-read the Eurogamer article).

A loss of DLNA is a big deal for me as I was using my PS3 as a media hub streaming TV series from my NAS. Not to include DLNA functionality on a modern "connected" device (where it has the potential for it) is beyond stupid.

What next - Blu Ray drive that can't play Blu Ray films as they want you to "rent" them through their service?!
GrahamC 31st October 2013, 12:01 Quote
Well feed this back to the developers. Just canceled my pre order for PS4. DNLA streaming ended the deal for me.
RedFlames 31st October 2013, 12:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
What next - Blu Ray drive that can't play Blu Ray films

the PS4 won't/can't play blurrys out of the box, needs an update before it can play them...
Corky42 31st October 2013, 12:23 Quote
Gota love these propitiatory system for dictating what you can or can't do.
xaser04 31st October 2013, 12:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by RedFlames
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Originally Posted by xaser04
What next - Blu Ray drive that can't play Blu Ray films

the PS4 won't/can't play blurrys out of the box, needs an update before it can play them...

Just read that on EG (the same article that had be confused as I thought this applied to all of the missing features).

Somewhat amazing that such an update is required (and not in a good way).

I can understand the requirements to cut certain things (like was done with the PS3 over its lifetime - not saying I agree with half of them mind but hey...), but to cut things that the PS3 already did (and people were using) seems utterly moronic from a consumer point of view.
lacuna 31st October 2013, 12:30 Quote
Not fussed. Music streamed from PS3 is fairly poor anyway.
cjoyce1980 31st October 2013, 12:45 Quote
so if you have no internet you can play games just fine, everything else you will need to connect to PSN and get the updates and hope that other feature come down the line.

looks like both consoles are gimped! PC Master Race wins again :)
dyzophoria 31st October 2013, 12:45 Quote
Must be the reason why it is also cheaper than the xb1, I like how people try to justify the exclusion of most featurea "normal" though, I think that hdmi pass through mode of will really comes to good use with a connected ps4 through it
sandys 31st October 2013, 12:48 Quote
I would imagine that the firmware will evolve loads over time, also a bit worrying not to have direct support of things like my g27 though how will I play my racing games. The ps3 got there in the end no doubt the 4 will also get refined.
edzieba 31st October 2013, 13:43 Quote
DLNA isn't a big loss, it rarely ever bloody worked anyway and required hours of faffing about to persuade two 'compatible' devices to even see each other on the same network. The loss of MP3 and CD playback seems very suspicious, though I have to admit I don't thin I've every played an MP3 or CD on my PS3.
xaser04 31st October 2013, 13:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by edzieba
DLNA isn't a big loss, it rarely ever bloody worked anyway and required hours of faffing about to persuade two 'compatible' devices to even see each other on the same network. The loss of MP3 and CD playback seems very suspicious, though I have to admit I don't thin I've every played an MP3 or CD on my PS3.

Apart from some container issues I don't think I have had any issues using DLNA on my PS3.
Gareth Halfacree 31st October 2013, 14:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
Apart from some container issues I don't think I have had any issues using DLNA on my PS3.
Same. The bulk of my PS3's on-time is spent either playing Blu-rays or streaming music or video via DLNA. Never had a problem - well, beyond the fact it doesn't support subtitles, which is annoying. The missus also frequently uses it to play CDs that haven't been ripped yet - in particular singalong discs for the bairn.
aLtikal 31st October 2013, 14:30 Quote
It seems similar to what android are doing. Release a platform that is cheap and affordable, then hope that you can make up losses on content played on the device like games, movies and audio things. But it's supposed to be a home entertainment device that will sit in the lounge or bedroom and enable a multimedia experience...but they've just cancelled that so now its just a gaming device.

Have they just chopped their market appeal in half? I mean the PS4 was a gaming device and an entertainment system - It still is to some extent but no DLNA means the entertainment system is a really weak proposition for consumers.
schmidtbag 31st October 2013, 14:38 Quote
I was wondering when Sony was going to start pissing off customers. They probably should've made this decision when all the flak was directed toward MS, because at least then it wouldn't have seemed like such a big deal.


Also, I could have sworn PS4's OS was going to be free-BSD based?
Gareth Halfacree 31st October 2013, 14:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by schmidtbag
Also, I could have sworn PS4's OS was going to be free-BSD based?
You're quite right - FreeBSD 9-based. My memory failing me there - now corrected, cheers!
Harlequin 31st October 2013, 15:13 Quote
like gareth my own PS3 (till I was no more) spent its life steaming over the network or playing blu ray :(
maverik-sg1 31st October 2013, 16:08 Quote
DNLA is a big loss for me, the missus likes to play CD's through it and we also have an MP3 library - is it never going to be there or is it just missing at launch.

I will never be an early taker of either xbone or ps4 - However, decisions of this nature will have an impact on my decision making process. That is to say the console that ticks the most boxes will have more chance of getting my money (eg: play used games, DLNA, Blu-Ray, CD's, DVD's and MP3's as well as playing games).

Generally speaking, taking away popular existing features of current consoles is pretty bad product management, especially if they expect the new consoles to have any sort of longevity.
maverik-sg1 31st October 2013, 16:20 Quote
PS: Can someone link the website where we need to make our feelings known......I'd prefer to give Sony every opportunity to reverse this decision before I cross the PS4 (and probably every other Sony product) off of my wish list.
Red 5 31st October 2013, 17:20 Quote
"Sony has released a list of factoids..."

And then I read the whole thing with the voice of Steve Wright.

But... yeah, won't play CDs or digital media? Not a huge loss, but when you see something designed for the lounge that takes discs that size, you kind of assume it'll play them, especially when branded Sony. I foresee a lot of phone calls to Sony's tech support.
Fingers66 31st October 2013, 17:26 Quote
Tbh, we use our PS3 more as a DNLA client than for anything else, I guess this means that we won't be buying a PS4 - cue some disappointed kids this xmas.

As a DNLA client it works perfectly streaming from my Synology NAS.
Cei 31st October 2013, 17:50 Quote
I'm hoping they patch DLNA support back in - indeed, the same can be done for MP3 etc. In some ways it seems that Sony are somewhat rushing to get the PS4 out on the market, and software features are getting hit.

Like the PS3, I expect things to improve over time. The launch PS3 did hardly anything apart from games...

EDIT:
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/395661158205501440

Looks like I may be right.
Guinevere 31st October 2013, 17:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
[Somewhat amazing that such an update is required (and not in a good way).

What difference does it make? You plug it in, set it up, connect to your net, perform an update and you're good to go. How is that different to a computer, phone or tablet having updates waiting for when you first receive it?
LordPyrinc 31st October 2013, 18:16 Quote
Can't play Blu-Ray or DVDs fresh out of the box? That sounds like a big oversight to me. I wonder if it can even read a game disc without updating.
Woodspoon 31st October 2013, 18:48 Quote
Quite funny really given the abuse MS got earlier in the year that forced a U turn, dropping support for some of this stuff on the PS4 seems like a much bigger deal, but nobody seems to mind.
Sloth 31st October 2013, 18:52 Quote
Welp, good thing Dark Souls 2 is coming on PS3. Looks like I'll be skipping this generation entirely, DLNA was huge for me.
rollo 31st October 2013, 19:38 Quote
Biggest news of the day is whats not been posted on these sites

Cod will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox
BF 4 will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox

2 big cross platform games getting the better graphical treatment.
Pinguu 31st October 2013, 19:57 Quote
A list of factoids? So a list of statements presented as fact but without any evidence?
Niftyrat 31st October 2013, 21:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Biggest news of the day is whats not been posted on these sites

Cod will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox
BF 4 will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox

2 big cross platform games getting the better graphical treatment.


to be honest that is not an issue compared to DLNA support for me. I sit far enough away from my 26" tv i couldn't tell the difference.

my 2p worth
sandys 31st October 2013, 21:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Biggest news of the day is whats not been posted on these sites

Cod will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox
BF 4 will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox

2 big cross platform games getting the better graphical treatment.

Indeed, makes you wonder sometimes, negative Sony stuff gets jumped on right away. BF4 is not 1080p on ps4 though its 900p, Cod is indeed 1080 v 720 though.

Sounds like the X1 has a good scaler inside that makes up for a lot and Sonys needs work, it is software though so it can happen, early days in the firmware of both machines, hardware wise there is not a lot between the 4 and the 1 to explain the 50% performance hit the 1 takes over the 4, can only assume that MS needs to put its OS on a diet and get tweaking the firmware.

The machines firmwares you get at launch will differ a great deal from what they support 6 months down the line.
TrevDX 31st October 2013, 22:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Biggest news of the day is whats not been posted on these sites

Cod will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox
BF 4 will be 1080p on ps4 but only 720p on xbox

2 big cross platform games getting the better graphical treatment.

Depends on how you look at it really.

Yes the apparent lack of power could be an issue for Xbox One but then again it's not like you're really going to see that much of a difference between games from multi-platform releases once it all settles down, given the state of the Xbox One launch event, it wouldn't surprise me if Dice/Infinity Ward could possibly have had 6 months with the XB1 dev kits and couldn't get it as optimised as they could for PS4 dev kits which they might have had since the beginning of the year.

Also unless you sit PC type of distances then this slight lack of resolution is negligible.

And as someone else has mentioned the upscaling from MS seems to be pretty good on a software side of things as to be honest when you watch the videos released for PS4 (1600x900) and Xbox One (1280x720) versions of BF4 there are times when the PS4 looks worse than the Xbox One and similarly there are times when the Xbox One looks worse than PS4. Ultimately all that matters for both consoles is a smooth FPS (albeit 30 or 60) and a boost over old tech, let's be real the consoles are never going to be suitable for BF4 Ultra at 1080p.

The issue in the article is a bigger news item to me as it looks to me like Sony are trying to force you to use their Music Unlimited / Video rental services rather than use the PS4 as a streaming device which I know a lot of people use their PS3/X360 to do at present. Again there is always the chance that 6 months or so Sony decide that this is the wrong move and update firmware to alter this but we'll see further down the line.
sandys 31st October 2013, 22:34 Quote
None of it is going to break your ps3s ability so you are not loosing that, no backwards compat in the 4, same between 360 and 1, so its not like you can ditch the 3 for a 4, your 3 will remain, which is the biggest shame of the upcoming gen imo as I don't have space under my TV for another box, so something has to go, my Nintendo will no doubt fall on the sword, not that that would solve my HDMI port deficiency.

Like anything in life if you don't like it don't buy it, of course that rarely happens in gaming, typically it's lot of bitching and moaning and people go buy it anyway...or is that just me :D
TrevDX 31st October 2013, 22:59 Quote
Oh I know that feeling ;)

I have a XB1 on pre-order to play with friends that I've got to know well over the past 7-8 years who aren't (or won't ever be PC gamers). If it weren't for that then I'd probably just spend the money on a bigger SSD and keep playing on PC. However my of love gadgets will also mean that I'll be surprised if I haven't bought a PS4 by June next year when some of the exclusives start releasing.

It just bugs me that an article about quite a big missing feature for some people that won't have both a PS4 and PS3/X360 once next gen is released just gets turned into another "look at how much greater one console is over another console"
Xir 1st November 2013, 07:17 Quote
If you can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p...why are we talking about UHD devices anyway?
phuzz 1st November 2013, 09:55 Quote
Raspberry Pi + XBMC will do DNLA, and MP3 playback for £30.
Ok, the interface is a bit slow, but if that's a problem just buy a cheap laptop with a broken screen off ebay and install XBMC on that.
Don't most people on bit-tech already own a PC that will wipe the floor with a console anyway?
TrevDX 1st November 2013, 09:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xir
If you can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p...why are we talking about UHD devices anyway?

We'll you can to a degree but the main point really is that I'd say Joe Public wouldn't care about the resolution as long as it's smooth frame rates whilst they're sat on their couch looking at a large HDTV.
Fingers66 1st November 2013, 13:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by phuzz
Raspberry Pi + XBMC will do DNLA, and MP3 playback for £30.
Ok, the interface is a bit slow, but if that's a problem just buy a cheap laptop with a broken screen off ebay and install XBMC on that.
Don't most people on bit-tech already own a PC that will wipe the floor with a console anyway?

But why would we want yet another box under the TV? I already have a Sky box, Wii and PS3, I also have a WD Media Player but haven't used it since installing the PS3, I don't want another one just because I purchase a PS4 that has less functionality than a PS3.
Corky42 1st November 2013, 13:55 Quote
Buy an Xbox One then as it seems Microsoft are pitching it as more than just a games console.
Fingers66 1st November 2013, 17:58 Quote
Nah, I'll stick with the PS3 and let the dust settle first, I'm not going to be a first mover with this one.
chewbaccas_nan 2nd November 2013, 19:54 Quote
Cancelling my pre-order in GAME, then decided to build a PC instead.
sandys 2nd November 2013, 23:22 Quote
Probably going to cancel mine too, not due to this stuff but seems I did not get the whizzy pre-order bundle I wanted from Amazon :( so I'll wait until I find a good price, was only after playing Killzone anyway along with the extra controller and camera.
play_boy_2000 3rd November 2013, 01:13 Quote
xbox one type about-face in 3, 2 ,1 .....

epic fail.

PC ftw.
Roskoken 4th November 2013, 10:30 Quote
'The Music Unlimited streaming service will allow you to listen to music while you play PS4 games. A subscription to Music Unlimited is required.'

"minimum of £4.99 a month for Music Unlimited's Access Plan or £9.99 a month for the cross-platform Premium Plan"

" but you can pay to stream it from Sony's Video Unlimited instead."

"Other features, too, appear to be moving the PS4 into far more of a limited, locked-down system than the PS3: the FAQ listing confirms that the PS4 has no support for external hard drives, something the PS3 supports just fine."

"its executives have taken to social networking services to quell unrest."

No thanks.
Roskoken 4th November 2013, 10:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Roskoken
'The Music Unlimited streaming service will allow you to listen to music while you play PS4 games. A subscription to Music Unlimited is required.'

"minimum of £4.99 a month for Music Unlimited's Access Plan or £9.99 a month for the cross-platform Premium Plan"

" but you can pay to stream it from Sony's Video Unlimited instead."

"Other features, too, appear to be moving the PS4 into far more of a limited, locked-down system than the PS3: the FAQ listing confirms that the PS4 has no support for external hard drives, something the PS3 supports just fine."

"its executives have taken to social networking services to quell unrest."

No thanks.

Oh yeah and no DLNA support?, **** off you *****.
Corky42 4th November 2013, 13:26 Quote
MP3 Support, DLNA and more features to follow on 2nd PS4 update
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We were able to speak to a Sony rep today about if any of these features could be implemented in the near future and much to our surprise we have received a “Yes“. The future update that is in process to be rolled out shortly after the PS4′s launch(November 15th) will include the following detailed features listed below:

Legacy headset support
Mp3 support for not only in-game but non gaming as well.
Suspend and resume play feature
DLNA support for media such as (streaming Mp3, Videos etc.)
Gareth Halfacree 4th November 2013, 15:05 Quote
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Yeah, sadly that's a linkbait hoax. I've got queries in with Sony PR and I'm hearing nothing beyond the "we'll feed it back to the developers" line.
Eggy 4th November 2013, 16:48 Quote
Sony just has other priorities at the moment. Gaming related ones. Down the line they will probably add these features as well but a PS4 is a poor substitute for a HTPC anyway.
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Buy an Xbox One then as it seems Microsoft are pitching it as more than just a games console.
Microsoft will probably tell you anything you want to hear right now. Oh wait nope, no mp3 support.
Corky42 4th November 2013, 17:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
Yeah, sadly that's a linkbait hoax. I've got queries in with Sony PR and I'm hearing nothing beyond the "we'll feed it back to the developers" line.

Yes sorry if it is, i did try to search for other details on this 2nd update but unsurprisingly came up blank. Maybe its a good thing for the Sony PR to be saying "we'll feed it back to the developers" if it was for a reason other than it just not being supported in the software i would have expected a definitive no.
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Originally Posted by Eggy
Microsoft will probably tell you anything you want to hear right now. Oh wait nope, no mp3 support.
Indeed, although it does semi-support MP3 if your willing to stream the MP3 from a Windows 7/8 PC or a Windows phone. (maybe that their plan to sell more copy's of 8 )
chewbaccas_nan 5th November 2013, 19:05 Quote
They probably will roll out an update, lots of people complaining, hopefully they'll listen
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