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Valve's Newell hints at Steam Box announcement

Valve's Newell hints at Steam Box announcement

Gabe Newell has hinted that his company could be ready to unveil its Linux-powered Steam Box console as early as next week.

Valve founder and chief executive officer Gabe Newell used his keynote speech at the Linuxcon event last night to talk up the future of gaming on the open-source platform, and to hint at a possible reveal of the company's Steam Box console to come next week.

Speaking at the event, Newell was effusive in his praise for Linux - hardly surprising, given that he has turned his company's attention on the platform after years of neglect as an apparent response for what he calls the catastrophe of Windows 8. As evidence, Newell pointed to the success of the Steam digital distribution platform, still officially in beta for Linux, which now boasts 198 games since its launch earlier this year.

Newell excoriated proprietary platforms including Microsoft's Windows and Apple's OS X, with particular focus on Apple's closed-ecosystem mobile platforms: according to Newell, it took Valve six months to get Apple to approve an allegedly simple update to a mobile app on iOS.

Despite Linux forming a tiny minority of Steam installs - under one per cent, according to the company's most recent hardware survey - Newell showed no signs that his interest in the open-source platform is waning. In particular, Newell claimed it formed an important cornerstone of what he claims is an emergent economy in gaming. 'Games are going to be nodes of an economy in which the vast majority of goods and services are user created,' he claimed, offering a shout-out to the Team Fortress community which he claims has produced more than 10 times the content of Valve's own developers.

'Valve, we're kind-of a cocky company. We like to think that we can compete with any company in the world, right? If we sat down and said let's have a competition with Bungie, or Epic, or Blizzard - we're friends with all of these guys, by the way - we'd say "oh we can take them, we're good at what we do."' claimed Newell. 'But the one we wouldn't want to compete with is our own users. They have already outstripped us, spectacularly, you can't compete with them once you give them the tools that allow them to participate in the creation of the experiences that they find are valuable.

'But there's this huge tension between if that's the direction that gaming is going, or if that's the direction content creation is going, these other [proprietary] systems actually put a tremendous number of roadblocks in the way of doing that.
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The highlight of the speech for many, however, was a minor hint regarding the move of Linux into the living room - a mention which would appear to suggest Newell is planning on sharing his company's Linux-powered ultra-compact Steam Box platform in the very near future.

'You don't think of touch input, or game controllers, or living rooms as being things which require a completely different way for users to interact or acquire assets or developers to program or deliver to those targets,' Newell told attendees. 'Obviously, if that is the direction you are going in, Linux is the most obvious basis for that - and none of the proprietary, closed platforms are going to be able to provide that form of grand unification between mobile, living room, and desktop.

'Next week we're going to be rolling out more information about how we get there and what are the hardware opportunities that we see for bringing Linux into the living room, and potentially pointing further down the road to how we can get it even more unified in mobile.
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Newell's keynote speech is reproduced in full below.

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Hustler 17th September 2013, 10:18 Quote
Valve will do what Valve does best...go their own way and the faithful will follow them.

Half Life 3 Linux exclusive....that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Gabe doesn't have to answer to shareholders, if he wants to limit initial sales of his prime asset, with a long term goal in mind, he'll do it.

Everyone outside of Valve thought Steam would only be of use for Valve products...look at it now.
AlienwareAndy 17th September 2013, 10:24 Quote
Glad to hear it. Let's just hope it's not priced the same as the last Steambox contender...
Dave Lister 17th September 2013, 10:33 Quote
I wish they would speed up the steam interface, It feels like i'm using IE6 or something !

Also the wait for the next Half Life game is now beyond ridiculous.

If they can sort those two things out (not necessarily in that order) then steam really will be the ultimate platform for me !
Bindibadgi 17th September 2013, 10:44 Quote
Give us a call, Gabe, we'll build something sexy for you.

And a Steambox too
AlienwareAndy 17th September 2013, 10:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Dave Lister
I wish they would speed up the steam interface, It feels like i'm using IE6 or something !

Also the wait for the next Half Life game is now beyond ridiculous.

If they can sort those two things out (not necessarily in that order) then steam really will be the ultimate platform for me !

They'll hold that as a killer app for Steambox. See also - L4D3.

I see no reason why Steambox can't be the next best thing. The consoles are a bit meh.
Dave Lister 17th September 2013, 11:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlienwareAndy
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Originally Posted by Dave Lister
I wish they would speed up the steam interface, It feels like i'm using IE6 or something !

Also the wait for the next Half Life game is now beyond ridiculous.

If they can sort those two things out (not necessarily in that order) then steam really will be the ultimate platform for me !

They'll hold that as a killer app for Steambox. See also - L4D3.

I see no reason why Steambox can't be the next best thing. The consoles are a bit meh.

I think as long as they differentiate themselves from Microsoft & Sony in some way a steambox could be a huge success. And if they are waiting for the next Half Life to go straight to steambox then they could at least give steam users episode 3 in the meantime.
Corky42 17th September 2013, 11:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Dave Lister
I think as long as they differentiate themselves from Microsoft & Sony in some way a steambox could be a huge success.

I think they plan to differentiate themselves from consoles with the amount of openness of the platform, i.e no expensive certification process, user created content.
Dave Lister 17th September 2013, 12:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
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Originally Posted by Dave Lister
I think as long as they differentiate themselves from Microsoft & Sony in some way a steambox could be a huge success.

I think they plan to differentiate themselves from consoles with the amount of openness of the platform, i.e no expensive certification process, user created content.

That would certainly help. I'd also like to see some regular PC functionality such as word processing, printing, photoshop type programs, upgradeable hdd's (non-proprietary), etc etc.
Guinevere 17th September 2013, 12:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hustler
Half Life 3 Linux exclusive....that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Cat? Pigeon?

Flying pig you mean!
Hustler 17th September 2013, 13:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere

Flying pig you mean!

I know it won't happen, was just a suggestion as to how they could transform the Linux landscape if they really wanted to.
proxess 17th September 2013, 15:04 Quote
They could do something as simple as release HL3 for Linux users say 24h before the rest, that'd be more than enough to see a spike in the hardware survey.
FullThrottleRic 17th September 2013, 15:07 Quote
If Valve can give us a box with support for our entire (given enough time) Steam library, Blu-ray playback, Netflix/Spotify and run a Plex client that would be my ultimate single box solution!
Corky42 17th September 2013, 15:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by FullThrottleRic
If Valve can give us a box with support for our entire (given enough time) Steam library, Blu-ray playback, Netflix/Spotify and run a Plex client that would be my ultimate single box solution!

Not sure about the entire Steam library, wouldn't that be more down to the developer than Steam ? But saying that if the concept of the SteamBox gains a large enough market share developers will be more inclined to make Linux versions.

Blu-ray playback cant see why not, my thinking is the SteamBox is more of a concept than a set in stone design. Take a NUC case, add the minimum hardware that would probably be laid down by Valve, download the Steam Linux Distro and install. (same way M$ get OEM's to make Windows PC's)

Netflix/Spotify and run a Plex client, if it runs on Linux then your good to go.

The impression i got from listen to the Video in the article is Gabe hates proprietary systems, licensing, restrictions, and the emerging trend for company's wanting to control access. (7min into the clip)

EDIT: everything is in place for a Steam Linux Distro, driver checking, software section on steam, big picture, end users making and publishing content, etc,etc. All they need now is the actual Steam Distro and OEM's making/selling devices capable of running it.
FullThrottleRic 17th September 2013, 16:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Not sure about the entire Steam library, wouldn't that be more down to the developer than Steam ? But saying that if the concept of the SteamBox gains a large enough market share developers will be more inclined to make Linux versions.

That's what I was getting at, it's not something that's going to happen at launch/overnight - but it'd be awesome if it did eventually :)

I can do everything listed on my current HTPC, but through fragmented interfaces. If Valve can tie it all together through one consistent interface and make it easy for developers to integrate with that interface that would be awesome
greigaitken 17th September 2013, 20:13 Quote
just a possibility:
MS and Valve grow more apart
Valve releases linux exclusive AAA blockbuster - HL3/portal3 combo game
MS bleeds market share
MS releases linux emulator for windows
windows users get laughed at cause their fps just tanked.
if only.......
teppic 17th September 2013, 20:29 Quote
I'd like to see old titles ported, but I think it's unlikely, except for Valve's own catalogue. It's not hugely difficult to port the games but there's unlikely to be much of a market if the games don't even sell on Windows any more. No doubt there will be lots of guides on how to get older games running via Wine.

There were rumours the Steambox would run an APU. Hopefully that isn't true, as it won't compete with next generation consoles.

It'd certainly make sense for Valve to release all its future games exclusively on the Steambox initially.
PCBuilderSven 18th September 2013, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by teppic
There were rumours the Steambox would run an APU. Hopefully that isn't true, as it won't compete with next generation consoles.

The PS4 and XBox One both also running APUs you mean? Sure if you stick in a standard A4 it would fail, but with an advanced and/or custom APU it could be a powerful system.
teppic 18th September 2013, 20:37 Quote
They're not running the same kind of APUs. The current top range A10 cannot outperform a 6670, for example.
CowBlazed 19th September 2013, 03:04 Quote
That "fake steambox" PC that was just a miniturized PC running Windows with Steam preinstalled, had really nothing to do with Valve and it became clear afterwards they were just trying to get publicity as being "the steambox" when that was untrue.

Valve has always said Steambox will run Linux and not Windows and so far that hasn't happened.
PCBuilderSven 19th September 2013, 17:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by teppic
They're not running the same kind of APUs. The current top range A10 cannot outperform a 6670, for example.

Hence why I said
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Originally Posted by PCBuilderSven
advanced and/or custom APU

For clarification with advanced I meant Kaveri or something even newer, not a current A10.
Maki role 19th September 2013, 19:09 Quote
I don't really get the concept of a standalone steambox product. It makes sense as a budget/htpc type thing that you make yourself, but it falls flat on it's face in the context of being actually produced by Valve.

For a start, let's assume it would run a Linux distro. Great, you can run Valve games and a handful more from the steam store. Sure more developers might cotton onto developing for Linux, but more likely is that they would develop for the steambox itself. My reasoning for this is basically that a steambox simply cannot be a powerful PC. If it's a beastly machine with standard parts (what you would need for full compatibility) then it's nothing special and just a normal PC running linux. If it's a dedicated system that works perfectly with a Valve oriented linux distro well done you just have a bog standard console.

The whole benefit of Steam is keeping things simple and accessible. A dedicated steambox would remove the accessible bit as it would have to be developed for in the same manner as a normal console for it to function properly. Else it would just chug along at a ludicrously slow speed and not be worth playing on over a normal PC or even a PS4/XBone.

Why do people want this?
Corky42 19th September 2013, 20:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
The whole benefit of Steam is keeping things simple and accessible. A dedicated steambox would remove the accessible bit as it would have to be developed for in the same manner as a normal console for it to function properly. Else it would just chug along at a ludicrously slow speed and not be worth playing on over a normal PC or even a PS4/XBone.

Why do people want this?

I would respectfully disagree. My betting is Valve will do a similar thing as Microsoft when Windows 95 hit the market, do some deals with OEM's to produce the hardware (based on minimum or recommended requirements), and maybe release the actual Steambox distro.
Then people could buy a OEM Steambox preinstalled with the distro, or build there own htpc type box, and install it. Hook it up to the TV in the living room sit back and relax on the sofa while watching Netflix, playing games, browsing the net, etc, etc.

The box would start up in big picture mode making things easy for people that want to keep it simple, and for those that want to tinker or create there own content they could hook up a keyboard and mouse and do what ever they want.
Maki role 19th September 2013, 21:05 Quote
But that's exactly what I don't understand about a steambox. You can already do all of that bar having a steam Linux distro. Basically all a steambox is by your thought is a low powered, pre-installed Linux running PC.

I just don't really see what market it's aimed at, and what makes it special. Casuals won't adopt it because they have other consoles for that and the more hardcore crowd won't adopt it unless other big studios back it fully with their games too, which would be nice but not guaranteed.
Corky42 20th September 2013, 00:45 Quote
Yea, you and i could do that now if we wanted, some people have already done that or written articles detailing how it can be done, but for your non geek building and setting up a Linux based htpc would probably be a no go.

The main advantages of buying or building a Steambox are the same advantages that Steam has on the PC over consoles, cheaper games, steam sales, no monthly subscriptions, user created content, all the good parts of gaming on a PC, along with all the good parts of gaming on a console, without the disadvantages of either.
forum_user 20th September 2013, 06:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
I just don't really see what market it's aimed at, and what makes it special. Casuals won't adopt it because they have other consoles for that and the more hardcore crowd won't adopt it unless other big studios back it fully with their games too, which would be nice but not guaranteed.

It is aimed at me and whatever market I fall in!
teppic 20th September 2013, 06:52 Quote
There will no doubt be the Steambox OS, which is likely to be a custom Ubuntu with Valve/Steam branding. Of course they'll allow anyone already using a modern Linux distribution to run Steam, as long as it meets the requirements. The advantage of a Valve-certified set of hardware is the same as with consoles - games will install and run fine in a single click, no worries about drivers etc.

If the Steambox runs a Kaveri-style APU it still won't be as powerful as the next gen consoles - perhaps they could instead run Kaveri with a 7750 in dual graphics - that would be quite powerful (it'd beat a 7850). AMD's released drivers aren't really up to it though.
forum_user 20th September 2013, 09:46 Quote
I am trying to think of what kinda market I represent.

I just can't be bothered researching and building yet more boxes when I have a house full of all sorts of devices already that require my attention for fixing or upgrades etc. I have a family life. I enjoy gamng-time. Responsibilities. Chores. Work. Higher learning.

Valve have my money if they release something that is:
  • convenient and simple - we already know the software interface works very well. Let's hope n00bs get it nice and simple to setup, and the more technical users get decent configurable options
  • sexy and small - I dont want a huge hot noisy beast in the lounge or any other room. I want the little boxes to be powerful enough to enjoy my gaming without wishing I was using my proper gaming machine
  • functional and connected - Gabe has already mentioned the connected word numerous times. I guess he is aiming for us to have portable games that connect with all our devices. Play X-Com on the gaming machine in the office/study; get on the train to go home and continue the game on the phone; arrive home and chill with the family while continuing the game on the sofa with a tablet. All the devices accessing our Steam libraries, or streaming from the game server in the house to our devices.
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Originally Posted by teppic
There will no doubt be the Steambox OS, which is likely to be a custom Ubuntu with Valve/Steam branding. Of course they'll allow anyone already using a modern Linux distribution to run Steam, as long as it meets the requirements. The advantage of a Valve-certified set of hardware is the same as with consoles - games will install and run fine in a single click, no worries about drivers etc.

If the Steambox runs a Kaveri-style APU it still won't be as powerful as the next gen consoles - perhaps they could instead run Kaveri with a 7750 in dual graphics - that would be quite powerful (it'd beat a 7850). AMD's released drivers aren't really up to it though.

I agree. To achieve that kind of 'Official SteamBox Certification' the hardware manufacturers will have to fall within tried and tested hardware combinations. Otherwise I expect SteamBox will still work - but be completely unsupported and offer no technical assistance whatsoever.
Corky42 20th September 2013, 10:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by forum_user
<snip>Valve have my money if they release something that is <snip>

The question is do they want your money ? well more of it anyway

If you already have a steam library you are already giving Valve money, so im not sure you would be there main market, unless you would buy more games if you could play from the sofa on the big screen.

I think there main market would be the console market, people who don't like sitting in front of a PC.
It has been said that the PC market is declining, but if people don't want to play PC games why are steam games sales seeing %76 year-on-year growth ? I think people want to play PC games, they just don't like playing them on the OEM PC's that the stats are based on.
Corky42 21st September 2013, 08:26 Quote
It would seem some more information is coming from Steam in 57hrs 35min (at time of posting this)
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/
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The Steam Universe is Expanding in 2014
Last year, we shipped a software feature called Big Picture, a user-interface tailored for televisions and gamepads.
This year we’ve been working on even more ways to connect the dots for customers who want Steam in the living-room.
Soon, we’ll be adding you to our design process, so that you can help us shape the future of Steam.

Anyone want to guess at what the symbols mean ?
forum_user 21st September 2013, 21:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
It would seem some more information is coming from Steam in 57hrs 35min (at time of posting this)
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/


Anyone want to guess at what the symbols mean ?

Only 45 hours to go ...
yodasarmpit 21st September 2013, 22:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by FullThrottleRic
If Valve can give us a box with support for our entire (given enough time) Steam library, Blu-ray playback, Netflix/Spotify and run a Plex client that would be my ultimate single box solution!

A PC?
Bindibadgi 22nd September 2013, 04:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit
A PC?

:) :) :) :)

Too true.
d_stilgar 22nd September 2013, 05:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
It would seem some more information is coming from Steam in 57hrs 35min (at time of posting this)
http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/


Anyone want to guess at what the symbols mean ?

From the language it sounds something like Steam Workshop for Big Picture mode. I think people will be able to make contributions for games to make them easier to play with a controller, or that people will be able to make changes to Big Picture mode itself.

I highly doubt that they'll do hardware design the same way, however.

The symbols . . . well, I think that our first announcement will be in 36.5 hours (as of posting) since the countdown timer is under the first circle, but that two more will be coming later. It's hard to say what the symbols themselves mean. (Looking at the code of the site, the circles seem to be referred to as buttons.)

First symbol is me. Then there's me in a box. Then there's me and a friend. So . . . game sharing, which has also been announced?

Other things . . . could be support for split screen controller play, which is usually missing or stripped out of PC versions of games.

Could be Steam as a distribution platform for music/TV/Movies? "Steam universe is expanding" sounds like a bigger thing than just games, but it could also just be hyperbole.

Okay, that's enough speculation for now.
Corky42 22nd September 2013, 10:33 Quote
Ahhh yes, it didn't occur to me the counter will move onto the next icon. So maybe three announcements over three days.

Gabe did say in the video linked in the BT article that they would be going into more details on the hardware side of things next week. So i would expect what ever is coming to focus on that. Or maybe we will all just get a cat or some new controller that looks like it belongs in the 90's
Corky42 22nd September 2013, 11:45 Quote
Is the also recent announcement by Mark Rein, related in anyway ?
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/nvidia_is_preparing_the_%E2%80%9Cmost_amazing_thing%E2%80%9D_ever_made_mark_rein.html
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Originally Posted by Mark Rein
Earlier this week I saw the most amazing thing made by @NVIDIA - no, it's not a GPU, but gamers will love it.

Total speculation, but could it be a Steambox based around Nvidia hardware ?
Nvidia has made Shield, the Tegra SoC, and in the past they have been working closely with Valve to help improve their Linux drivers.

EDIT: Will the steam box just be a terminal so Shield can work in tandem with it ?

Forbes wrote an interesting article on the subject.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpinchefsky/2013/01/13/8-potential-reasons-to-want-a-shield-and-steam-box-combo/

1.Use the SHIELD when someone else wants to use the TV (even in mid-game)
2.Port game versions using the Wii U’s dual screen to the PC
3.Local co-op for games like Borderlands or Left 4 Dead.
4.Switch on the Steam Box from the SHIELD, then browse the Steam Library and run a game from it.
5.Port popular Nintendo DS titles to the PC.
6.Run a helper app
7.Move out the minimap.
8.Patcher’s delight

2nd EDIT: Sundays are boring :)
So im probably going to make myself look like an idiot when the real announcement comes, but i cant stop thinking about it.

What we know so far is Valve is planning to go into more details on the hardware of gaming on Linux next week, and going on the web site they setup we are due an announcement around 5pm tomorrow.

Now i could be totally wrong on my theory, but on the Steam living room page along with the counters is a picture of a cat, and a game controller. Recently Google said the next android will be named Kit-Kat, is the cat on that page a reference to Kit-Kat ? If so will the first announcement be about Valve working with Google on the next Android release ? maybe hinting that Steambox will be running Kit-Kat ?

Also in the picture is a game controller, We know Valve has been working with Nvidia to improve their drivers on Linux and we know when Nvidia released shield, many people said it was to expensive and didn't see the point of of it.
But what if the next announcement is that Valve has been working with Nvidia on taking the streaming feature of shield further, out of beta, improving it and big picture mode to work better together, along with new features in Kit-Kat.

And the last one maybe the much rumored Steam box, running Kit-Kat, with enough storage for you Steam library, and the rest of the hardware needed to work in tandem with Shield to replace the need for streaming from a PC.
forum_user 22nd September 2013, 17:40 Quote
6pm tomorrow ...



Only 24 hours and 20 minutes to go!

:(:(:(:(:(:(

(added)

OK.

I will put all my chips (because I want it to be like this) on the announcement being an official estimated released date for HL3, & L4D3, & SteamBox, & possibly an official release of the family/friends sharing feature.
KidMod-Southpaw 22nd September 2013, 18:43 Quote
What if this is just a plan for Valve to make the Steambox so, so bad, and so expensive, that not a single person buys it? And in the end, it turns out that each Steambox had Episode 3 installed...
steveo_mcg 23rd September 2013, 10:29 Quote
How to ensure you're console sells regardless how bad it is... Ship it with HL3 exclusively.
GeorgeStorm 23rd September 2013, 10:36 Quote
Friend posted this on another forum:
http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/6643/tq7.gif
Corky42 23rd September 2013, 15:16 Quote
Not sure how someone gets from this
http://i0.wp.com/www.3rabgamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/steam-announcement-610x342.jpg?resize=600%2C300
To that.

I would call fake seeing as how they say "This year we’ve been working on even more ways to connect the dots for customers who want Steam in the living-room." I'm not sure how HL3 will help connect the dots for customers who want Steam in the living-room.
GeorgeStorm 23rd September 2013, 15:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Not sure how someone gets from this
http://i0.wp.com/www.3rabgamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/steam-announcement-610x342.jpg?resize=600%2C300
To that.

I would call fake seeing as how they say "This year we’ve been working on even more ways to connect the dots for customers who want Steam in the living-room." I'm not sure how HL3 will help connect the dots for customers who want Steam in the living-room.

Oh as far as I'm aware it's a fake, just wanted to see some reactions :P
Pliqu3011 23rd September 2013, 17:00 Quote
1 hour to go!

EDIT: Less than 5 minutes!
Corky42 23rd September 2013, 18:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
everything is in place for a Steam Linux Distro, driver checking, software section on steam, big picture, end users making and publishing content, etc,etc. All they need now is the actual Steam Distro and OEM's making/selling devices capable of running it.

;)
First announcement is the SteamOS
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your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!

Looks like the cheapest Steam box will be nothing more than a box to stream the games running on your PC to your TV.
d_stilgar 23rd September 2013, 18:31 Quote
They say they are working with music/TV/movie people to get content on SteamOS. Whether that's Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. or that they get some of those deals themselves . . . who knows? In any case I think I'll be going with SteamOS for my HTPC.
Dave Lister 23rd September 2013, 19:01 Quote
So there big news was steam OS ! what a surprise another bloody let down from valve... (steam os does sound pretty cool though)
Corky42 23rd September 2013, 19:32 Quote
There are still two announcements to come, my guess is the next one will be the Steam box because of the [O ] the O being SteamOS and the [ ] being the box. But im lost when it come to what O+O means :?
Gareth Halfacree 23rd September 2013, 19:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
But im lost when it come to what O+O means :?
I'll bet you a fiver to a charity of the winner's choice it's Family Sharing.
rici1241 23rd September 2013, 19:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
I'll bet you a fiver to a charity of the winner's choice it's Family Sharing.

Surely that would be [O] + [O] though. It looks like 2 pieces of software in one box. Steam OS and maybe source 2?
Corky42 23rd September 2013, 21:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree
I'll bet you a fiver to a charity of the winner's choice it's Family Sharing.

I wouldn't rule anything out, but i don't think they would announce something that has already been announced.

If the O was indicative of the SteamOS being open source, could the O+O mean two open source product's coming together ? would there be any reason to make Source engine open source ?
forum_user 23rd September 2013, 21:36 Quote
Monday - they announce SteamOS
Wednesday - official SteamBox cert details of first partner release?
Friday - Early access to HL3 & L4D3 for the weekend?

I just think its a bit suspect that the final announcement is likely to fall on a Friday. Friday mostly means the start to a gaming weekend. Which must meana game release?
Cthippo 23rd September 2013, 22:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by rici1241
Surely that would be [O] + [O] though. It looks like 2 pieces of software in one box. Steam OS and maybe source 2?

More like cross compatability. You can play a game on your steambox and then save the game and play it on another device. This isn't going to be three separate announcements, but rather an announcement of three features of the Steambox
Corky42 23rd September 2013, 23:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
More like cross compatability. You can play a game on your steambox and then save the game and play it on another device. This isn't going to be three separate announcements, but rather an announcement of three features of the Steambox

They have already detailed a cross-platform cloud as being part of SteamOS, haven't all the features of the Steambox already been given ? isn't it software that dictates what can be done on a device ?
teppic 24th September 2013, 00:01 Quote
Yup, currently I can access my saved games in Half Life 2, Trine 2, etc from Linux or Windows. That's already there.
theshadow2001 24th September 2013, 01:03 Quote
Next announcement will be the controller.
forum_user 24th September 2013, 07:34 Quote
I'm changing my prediction for Friday's announcement.

I now think it will be early access to the SteamOS. Or early access will be a part of the announcement.

1. Valve have already said something along the lines of them wanting us to help shape it.
2. They also say that SteamOS is already running hundreds of games. Therefore it must be close to a final release. Valve push early access quite heavily.
Gareth Halfacree 24th September 2013, 08:07 Quote
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Surely that would be [O] + [O] though. It looks like 2 pieces of software in one box. Steam OS and maybe source 2?
Ooh. OOH. While my original bet still stands - which is likely to cost me a fiver, but hey, it's for charidee - I'm changing my guess. What's the one thing consoles have had for *years* but is still rare on PC? What made playing GoldenEye on the N64 so much fun, when there were more technically-able first-person shooters available on the PC? Why did we all come back from our friends houses with bruises on our arms after chaining cheesies in Street Fighter II on the Mega Drive?

Local. Split-screen. Multiplayer.

<drops mic, leaves stage>
Pliqu3011 24th September 2013, 09:50 Quote
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Local. Split-screen. Multiplayer.
I want to believe.

I'm afraid it depends too much on the individual games though. Maybe Valve will push a new “SteamBox-certified”-label that guarantees features like split-screen etc.
Gareth Halfacree 24th September 2013, 10:09 Quote
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I'm afraid it depends too much on the individual games though. Maybe Valve will push a new “SteamBox-certified”-label that guarantees features like split-screen etc.
It would, theoretically, be something that could be achieved at a driver level for many games - in the same way as 3D glasses support. Split the monitor into two virtual display surfaces, and run two copies of the game: one copy renders to one display surface, the other renders to the other. The two connect for multiplayer traffic over a localhost network connection - and as far as the games are concerned, they're just normal network-based multiplayer titles running on an oddly-shaped monitor.

There are downsides to that plan, of course, the chief being that you've suddenly doubled the poor Steam Box's workload - but that's something consoles have coped with for a while, usually by reducing the graphics quality. Plus, if we may be permitted to dream for a moment: stick an eight-core processor in the Steam Box (APU, anyone?) and you can have four cores per player in a two-player game - and there are still mighty few games that can really make use of more than four cores if they're only running a single instance. Add in the reduced resolution - if you were playing horizontal split-screen on a 1920x1080 monitor, each copy of the game will only be rendering 960x1080 pixels - and you could potentially get away with it. Even four-player local co-op could work: each copy would have two CPU cores to itself, while only having to render 960x540 resolution graphics.
Corky42 24th September 2013, 11:14 Quote
There are some things i don't quite get with bringing Steam and PC gaming into the living room, in the past Valve said there will be three tiers of Steambox, good, better, and best.

People with a PC capable of playing most modern games may only buy the 'good' Steambox, something to act as a head unit, with controllers, hook it up and stream data from your PC. So something like a 'good' Steambox would have to be around £100-150 to be considered worth buying, no ?

Now the tier i don't get is the 'better' and im hoping someone can help me with it :)
AFAIK the 'better' tier is going up against the consoles, so it would need to be priced to compete with them and at the same time be capable of running all modern games, without having to rely on that 5+ year old dell gathering dust in the corner. Now its fairly certain Valve wont be making the Steambox, they may make a reference design to help OEM's know what is expected/recommended.

So the question is can a HTPC type box with a sticker saying designed to run SteamOS be made by OEM's for a price that competes with the PS4 (£350) and Xbox One (£430) ? sure it could be a little more expensive, due to the games being cheaper and not having to pay subscriptions, but even with those advantages i cant see people wanting to pay £550+ for a Steam box.
theshadow2001 24th September 2013, 11:17 Quote
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Local. Split-screen. Multiplayer.

<drops mic, leaves stage>

I like this idea, get to build a mega pc which can handle split screen (or even two monitors) then stream it out to the steam os device.
impar 24th September 2013, 12:47 Quote
Greetings!

Wednesday it will be the reference design for a Steam Box.
Friday, the new game engine.

My guesses.
forum_user 24th September 2013, 14:47 Quote
Does anyone else think that maybe we're heading towards a literal game server located in a broom cupboard in our houses, purely streaming content/gaming to 'terminals' throughout?
Corky42 24th September 2013, 16:03 Quote
Better to have it in your broom cupboard than some third party's broom cupboard imho
forum_user 24th September 2013, 16:07 Quote
Mainly for the latency. But yes, I'm all for fireproof safes buried in the garden rather than very public cloud storage!
impar 25th September 2013, 20:26 Quote
Greetings!
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Wednesday it will be the reference design for a Steam Box.
Friday, the new game engine.

My guesses.
Waiting for the new game engine.
Pliqu3011 25th September 2013, 20:50 Quote
As much as I wish it to be true, I don't think they'll announce Source 2 tbh. Doesn't really fit within the entire “living room”-theme. The () + () implies something multiplayer or community involvement, I think.
theshadow2001 25th September 2013, 21:00 Quote
Ok, this time the next announcement will be the controller.
forum_user 27th September 2013, 09:37 Quote
Unless I dreamt it, there has been a mention of Nintendo and Valve in the same paragraph. It's too early to draw conclusions from that but a wild stab in the dark is that Nintendo are making an exit from the console wars, and partnering with Valve some how. Nintendo are going the way of sega, and I doubt anyone wants to see there talent go to waste. A connection being Nintendo's handheld tablet controller, and also Nintendo are kings of making controllers - Gabe has a heavy focus on controllers.

I wonder if SteamOS is already installed, or ready to be installed on a tablet - therefore today's announcement is the SteamOS and a piece of hardware, coming together right now ...

Snips 27th September 2013, 13:31 Quote
I think it also hint's on the link that controlling the console/SteamOS could also be the next big announcement or to be announced.

"Am I going to be using a mouse and a keyboard in the living-room?

If you want. But Steam and SteamOS work well with gamepads, too. Stay tuned, though - we have some more to say very soon on the topic of input."
theshadow2001 27th September 2013, 13:35 Quote
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Nintendo are going the way of sega, and I doubt anyone wants to see there talent go to waste.

Talent? You've got to be kidding. They've been doing nothing but rehashing the same old titles and intellectual property for years. Their consoles are at best a novelty. I hope they don't partner with steam in case they drag them down as well.
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