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Steam not listed in Battlefield 3 release plans

Steam not listed in Battlefield 3 release plans

Steam was not listed as a planned digital distribution partner for Battlefield 3.

Electronic Arts' plans for digitally distributed versions of Battlefield 3 were revealed over the weekend, when a list of digital distribution platforms was listed on the the official site and Valve's Steam service was not listed as a partner.

The list has since been pulled down by Electronic Arts, but not before it was reported by Joystiq.

Electronic Arts did list other digital platforms, however - including Direct2Drive and GamersGate, as well as it's own Origin service.

A number of Electronic Arts games were recently removed from Steam and, while EA has dodged responsibility to a degree, comments to Eurogamer last week suggested that it may be part of a grand plan for the publisher.

'Any retailer can sell our games, but we take direct responsibility for providing patches, updates, additional content and other services to our players,' EA's SVP of global online David DeMartini said.

'You are connecting to our servers, and we want to establish an ongoing relationship with you, to continue to give you the best possible gaming experience. This works well for our partnership with GameStop, Amazon and other online retailers.'

'Unfortunately, if we're not allowed to manage this experience directly and establish a relationship with you, it disrupts our ability to provide the support you expect and deserve.

'At present, there is only one download service that will not allow this relationship. This is not our choice, and unfortunately it is their customer base that is most impacted by this decision. We are working diligently to find a mutually agreeable solution.'

Battlefield 3 will be released on October 25th 2011. Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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EvilMerc 11th July 2011, 10:36 Quote
Providing they don't do a BF2 and host the patches on servers that can only provide 100KB/s then it might be alright. I won't be downloading the game from Origin though.
DriftCarl 11th July 2011, 10:39 Quote
Would be a shame if it wasnt directly compatable with steam.
It wotn stop me from buying it though, not a chance :p
Stickeh 11th July 2011, 10:40 Quote
Going to be buying this on disc- most likely from amazon.
As for origin, i just couldnt trust keeping a games catalog on it....it feels like it may dissapear too easily, i'll just buy the games for cheaper and get real copies!
r3loaded 11th July 2011, 10:41 Quote
Translation: We want to keep 100% of the revenue from the inevitable DLC.
impar 11th July 2011, 10:47 Quote
Greetings!

Another game to buy later on at budget prices, then.
leveller 11th July 2011, 10:48 Quote
Seeing as all my gamer friends use Steam I'm starting to wonder if I can be bothered to part with my cash. I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".
hrp8600 11th July 2011, 10:58 Quote
they can keep 100% of the money they get from me for any DLC.
whats 100% of nothing again ?
TheLegendJoe 11th July 2011, 11:07 Quote
butttt, its our choice to use steam? because it makes the gaming experience better by patching as soon as it becomes available, rather than launching the game then patching or trying to join a multiplayer game and finding out you have an old version and having to go Google and download on some horribly slow servers...
DeathAwaitsU 11th July 2011, 11:10 Quote
I only buy from steam these days (cba having 10+ accounts, rather have them all in one place ala steam) so thats a one lost sale at least
severard600 11th July 2011, 11:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
Translation: We want to keep 100% of the revenue from the inevitable DLC.

It is what they said. They want to be a able to push through the patches themselves when they want. This is what happened with Crysis 2. The DirectX 11 patch came out and for whatever reason Steam was not sufficient to get this patch though. In this case it seems like EA are actually making sure that gamers get the best experience with their games.
Venares 11th July 2011, 11:17 Quote
If EA's game plan this year is to alienate as many of there customers as possible, then there doing a darn good job at the moment.
severard600 11th July 2011, 11:21 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
Translation: We want to keep 100% of the revenue from the inevitable DLC.

Wrong. It is what they said. They want to push patches when they want. This happended with Crysis 2. When the DirectX 11 patch was brought out for whatever reason Steam was not sufficient to push these patches. In response Crysis 2 was pulled from Steam. Tbh, EA is just making sure gamers have the best possible experience with their games by efficiently pushing patches as soon as they are available. This however does not mean that I don't like Steam or love EA or anything. This is a non-biased view
bowman 11th July 2011, 11:33 Quote
****ing, worthless, *****. If they think I am about to sign up for their horseshit 'Origin' service they can stick their head up their ass and think again. **** EA.

It's a real shame a game made by DICE that looks like it'll be this good is going to be ****ing raped by EA before it even gets out the door. First the day-one DLC crap, and now this. I'm done. Who the hell is the guy running the show there? Bobby Kotick's twin brother?
brokenthinker 11th July 2011, 11:37 Quote
'Seeing as all my gamer friends use Steam I'm starting to wonder if I can be bothered to part with my cash. I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".'

Really? That's all that it would take to put you off of this great PC game? who gives a toss, this game will be immense where ever or whoever you get it from. From a real PC gaming fan.
wuyanxu 11th July 2011, 11:38 Quote
it's only a different download service, you can still link the shortcut back to your steam account. no biggie IMHO.
leveller 11th July 2011, 11:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by brokenthinker
'Seeing as all my gamer friends use Steam I'm starting to wonder if I can be bothered to part with my cash. I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".'

Really? That's all that it would take to put you off of this great PC game? who gives a toss, this game will be immense where ever or whoever you get it from. From a real PC gaming fan.

That must mean I'm not a 'real PC gaming fan' ... wow, ok. Thanks for your input 'real PC gaming fan'.

;)
fingerbob69 11th July 2011, 11:50 Quote
EA Origin have yet to discount the 'Vietnam dlc.

It seems to me this will turn out be more an exercise in maintaining first day prices as opposed to giving gamers a more 'full filling' experience.
Centy-face 11th July 2011, 11:50 Quote
I probably wasn't going to buy this anyway because Red Orchestra 2 is out 2 months earlier and us real men and women will be playing that but this would certainly put me off getting it later when the price comes down.

Obviously Dice want to do a lot of DLC selling on this one as they couldn't do so easily before without a real central platform like Steam or EADM because both were optional. This time with Origin they have the chance to milk it for every penny and that is one of the major off putting things for me. Well that and Dice saying I and everyone else is far too stupid to work their tool kit.

People really need to face facts that although it's being demoed on the PC it's in it's heart a console experience. The DLC the lack of mods the pre order exclusives. The only reason they are doing any pimping of the PC version is to channel a lot of people onto Origin in a futile and idiotic (given origins lack of content and features) attempt to challenge Valve.

Personally I don't care which download service it's coming out on because I haven't been hit by the hype train. It takes more than ooohing and ahhhing at shiny graphics to make me desire a game. I shall be going with a game that doesn't need to put ability to go prone, dedicated servers and mouse support on the box as it's just expected with a PC game.

I see this losing EA a lot of customers because people are comfy with Steam and given how Origin feels like a cheap copy of Steam with no extra features. People will get irritated at seeing a game they have to create another account with and build another friends list for and just another program that is prone to failing. I say good luck to EA but I think this will just blow up and not work as they wanted, people will resent it and it will just die and then Steam will win again. I wouldn't mind some competition for Steam but at this point it's too late they have too large a control on the market and are light years ahead in features and customer interaction and selling techniques. The house always wins.
Centy-face 11th July 2011, 11:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
it's only a different download service, you can still link the shortcut back to your steam account. no biggie IMHO.

Actually if it's locked into Origin and you can't run the exe independently then you won't be able to do that.
Snips 11th July 2011, 12:12 Quote
Although Steam was in it's infancy, we had the same problem with BF2. I just think this is an EA hang up at not taking the download gaming by storm.

Steam just makes gaming easier, why complicate things EA?
Mentai 11th July 2011, 12:16 Quote
The support I expect and deserve is you providing me the option to use my preferred digital distribution system, regardless of how you feel about them cock blocking your data mining, er I mean, close relationship with me. Just upload your patches to the Steam servers FFS.
Material 11th July 2011, 12:23 Quote
Gah, what a disappointment. I know it's not the end of the world but I could do without another sign in and another program or service to install on my PC.

This just reeks of sour grapes from EA. They're doing the equivalent of taking their ball and going home.
greypilgers 11th July 2011, 12:37 Quote
I shall be surprised if this isn't borne out over time to be the thin end of the wedge...
Coldon 11th July 2011, 12:49 Quote
just because it wasnt listed on a prelim list doesnt mean it wont be sold on steam. The same thing happened with alice: madness returns. At the end of the day, I think steam may end up rethinking its terms of service, EA games make steam a fair chunk of money that they probably dont want to lose out on.
boggsi 11th July 2011, 12:54 Quote
F*** EA.

Y U NO STEAM?
Mentai 11th July 2011, 12:59 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldon
just because it wasnt listed on a prelim list doesnt mean it wont be sold on steam. The same thing happened with alice: madness returns. At the end of the day, I think steam may end up rethinking its terms of service, EA games make steam a fair chunk of money that they probably dont want to lose out on.

I really hope they don't. The terms of service that EA is breaching is refusing to put their patches into Steam and are making them exclusive to the origin service. The whole concept of Steam beyond the excuse for DRM was it automatically updates your games, which worked great with all the free patches and content CS:S had, etc. Compromising that undermines a good portion of their service.
DriftCarl 11th July 2011, 13:02 Quote
How long now before activision start marketing MW3 as "fully compatable with steam"
leveller 11th July 2011, 13:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DriftCarl
How long now before activision start marketing MW3 as "fully compatable with steam"

Surely you mean: "Modern Warfare now exclusive to Activisions bloatware new download service"
GiantKiwi 11th July 2011, 13:15 Quote
Fine then EA i just wont buy it, Origin is a PoS.
sp4nky 11th July 2011, 13:35 Quote
Quote:
'Unfortunately, if we're not allowed to manage this experience directly and establish a relationship with you, it disrupts our ability to provide the support you expect and deserve.

'At present, there is only one download service that will not allow this relationship. This is not our choice, and unfortunately it is their customer base that is most impacted by this decision. We are working diligently to find a mutually agreeable solution.'

Steam works this way for some software. Atari's Test Drive Unlimited 2 works in precisely this way - you can buy it on Steam but when you launch it from Steam, it runs Atari's launcher, which is where the updates come from. Or at least they would do if Atari hadn't shot itself in the foot buy all-but closing down the game's developers, Eden.

Still, it proves that Steam is open to allowing developers systems to manage patches, etc.
Marvin-HHGTTG 11th July 2011, 13:43 Quote
There's nothing specifically wrong with Origin, I don't really get all the hate. Their games are no more expensive than Steam most of the time, and they do offer discounts and stuff (for instance, they sent me a £10 off voucher for my birthday when it was the EA Store). I bought Shift 2 with said voucher, and all it does is download it, creates and sorts the in game account for you and installs it where you choose (typically program files). You can run the .exe without Origin running, so it's no big deal (I run Shift 2 through Steam). It's basically a slightly more refined version of EADM with communications and stuff.

Besides, it'll be on Steam anyway.
Paradigm Shifter 11th July 2011, 13:45 Quote
Thing is, EA are making a fuss like they can provide a good customer service. Well, they need to pull their bootstraps up, because the last time I had to e-mail EA about a problem, they gave me one heck of a runaround before trying to fix it.
CrazyBlade 11th July 2011, 14:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by leveller
I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".

Wait a sec, I wanna make sure I got this straight - are you genuinely telling me you would not get what looks like an amazing game just because of the way you have to download??

I despair, I really do.

Who gives a stuff whether you have to use Origin or Steam. It's become far too cool to hate on Origin recently, it really has. The gaming 'community' really needs to pull its' collective head out of its' ass and get over itself. EA has done the commercially correct thing - cutting out the middle man and maximising their profits, as any sensible company should. Who gives a frak how you get it - if it's as good as it looks and it's something you'd love to play, get it.

Quit whining about Origin.
brokenthinker 11th July 2011, 14:18 Quote
I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".

Wait a sec, I wanna make sure I got this straight - are you genuinely telling me you would not get what looks like an amazing game just because of the way you have to download??

I despair, I really do.

Who gives a stuff whether you have to use Origin or Steam. It's become far too cool to hate on Origin recently, it really has. The gaming 'community' really needs to pull its' collective head out of its' ass and get over itself. EA has done the commercially correct thing - cutting out the middle man and maximising their profits, as any sensible company should. Who gives a frak how you get it - if it's as good as it looks and it's something you'd love to play, get it.

Quit whining about Origin.

+1
oatey4519 11th July 2011, 14:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyBlade
Quote:
Originally Posted by leveller
I'm turning from "wow this game looks hot" to "EA ... yawn".

Wait a sec, I wanna make sure I got this straight - are you genuinely telling me you would not get what looks like an amazing game just because of the way you have to download??

I despair, I really do.

Who gives a stuff whether you have to use Origin or Steam. It's become far too cool to hate on Origin recently, it really has. The gaming 'community' really needs to pull its' collective head out of its' ass and get over itself. EA has done the commercially correct thing - cutting out the middle man and maximising their profits, as any sensible company should. Who gives a frak how you get it - if it's as good as it looks and it's something you'd love to play, get it.

Quit whining about Origin.

Well said... !!
How cares what it's going on.
At least you might be able to play the game on release date unlike so titles on Steam.
I'm a fan of Steam, but i'm not throwing my toys out of my pram to miss the game of the year...
If you want to miss out then unlucky or go buy a console.
ffjason 11th July 2011, 14:41 Quote
Consider a perspective of someone used to steam and who doesn't really care about the Battlefield games, if I am ever going to consider this game i would need to see it on offer in the steam store. They might not lose many loyal customers but they are putting off new customers. Not clever business sense.
dyzophoria 11th July 2011, 14:53 Quote
err, if its not in steam, then get it somewhere else? I don't get why the negative "uuhh ohhh no thanks **** BF3" like attitude coz its not in steam. I love steam, it it aint there it doesnt mean its the end of the world. on a side note, I doubt it won't be on steam, someone on EA just ****ed up, as always
GravitySmacked 11th July 2011, 15:00 Quote
Somehow I'll think I'll manage without it being on Steam.
Phalanx 11th July 2011, 15:40 Quote
Personally I have no problem with Origin. It's about time Steam was taken down a peg or two, and everyone has to start somewhere. People are complaining to EA about things here, but has anyone considered that maybe the issues were created by Valve? Or am I to be castrated for even suggesting that Valve/Steam can do something wrong?

End of the day, I already run Steam and I already run Origin, and have no trouble with either. The games on Origin integrate without issue into Steam, so I can still use the overlay to talk to my friends without having to have the game specifically in Steam.
Evildead666 11th July 2011, 16:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by severard600
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
Translation: We want to keep 100% of the revenue from the inevitable DLC.

Wrong. It is what they said. They want to push patches when they want. This happended with Crysis 2. When the DirectX 11 patch was brought out for whatever reason Steam was not sufficient to push these patches. In response Crysis 2 was pulled from Steam. Tbh, EA is just making sure gamers have the best possible experience with their games by efficiently pushing patches as soon as they are available. This however does not mean that I don't like Steam or love EA or anything. This is a non-biased view

Where did you hear that Steam was not sufficient to push patches out ?

Never had any problems with Steam updates, found it very satisfying actually.

I would also surmise EA wants you info, and a direct tie to sell you more of their stuff.
Bet they don't do special offers as good and as often as on Steam ;)
Waynio 11th July 2011, 16:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
it's only a different download service, you can still link the shortcut back to your steam account. no biggie IMHO.

Exactly :) I've been doing this with all my alternative game digi download services, & theres me thinking we're getting lazy by not wanting to mess around with discs :) quite glad I broke out of the must only buy on steam way a while ago, great games being held away from steam until the hype completely died & then they get it on steam is what nudged me elsewhere especially region locking BS :D.
Waynio 11th July 2011, 16:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evildead666
I would also surmise EA wants you info, and a direct tie to sell you more of their stuff.
Bet they don't do special offers as good and as often as on Steam ;)

Maybe not, I agree with that but retail EA games you can input the cd key to get the digi download version so retail games go way cheaper than steam & direct from EA so it's all good ;).
DaBigDog 11th July 2011, 17:14 Quote
Come on guys - your missing the point - this is the largest release for EA this year, there will be no better opportunity for EA than to leverage the anticipation and interest in BF3 towards increasing it's DL Platform user base. They started this push when they offered exclusive content for pre-ordering from EA, it's a tough business and everyone wants a piece of Steam's action.
Unfortunately none of the other offerings comes close to Steam's breadth of service offering (I've tried most of them), EA are covering this market grab opportunity with PR about providing the best service for their customers to hide their inability to directly compete with Steam...
I'm fairly sure the top bods at large publishers like EA and Activision are looking at Steam and wondering how they're going to make up all that lost ground. For EA the answer seems easy, remove their customers ability to choose platform (statistically Steam is the largest and you would anticipate should retain this share of BF3 DL's) and give them a choice of woeful alternatives of which only one has access to exclusive content (EA store).
Remember people - EA cares about it's shareholders BEFORE it cares about YOU the customer.. and before anyone argues that point - they are LEGALLY obliged to consider shareholders first as are all publicly limited companies. So don't be surprised if they make decisions that don't make sense to you the customer, they're not supposed to - they're to make the shareholders and senior management richer people. (we're all capitalists baby)
So if you don't like the idea of EA excluding Steam from it's distribution network but you do think EA will make a ton of money - then don't buy BF3, buy some EA shares ( trading at 24.50 - so you might be able to buy 2 instead fo the game).
Although if everyone did that - you'd all lose your money... !!!!
GroBeMaus 11th July 2011, 17:17 Quote
I'd buy retail as long as it used Steam services such as friends lists (i.e Black Ops), I can't stand having to maintain multiple friend lists across games...with each having an new and separate account login, Jeez! I
call BS on the patch excuse, and using Direct2Drive is a joke. D2D installs will not let you use retail patches
on games bought from them, you have to use the D2D version...WHEN they decide to put it out...AND downloaded FROM them! Also, my steam games are updated faster than my none steam friends most of the time. This is disappointing at the least...
Eiffie 11th July 2011, 17:55 Quote
Well if it's not on steam then I probably won't be buying it. :(
GeorgeStorm 11th July 2011, 17:57 Quote
While I really like steam, the amount of steam love on this forum is ridiculous, the fact this is/isn't available on steam doesn't matter to me really, just price.
If it were on steam for 20 and origin for 15, I'd go origin, I've not had any problems with other peoples steam like applications, makes sense for them to do it this way, exclusives are a big incentive.
benji2412 11th July 2011, 18:35 Quote
This is just another example of EA trying to upset the balance at the moment. Can't blame them, they're a big name and want to make a decent go of their games platform and BF3 is the best way to do it.

But unfortunately at the same time this is another example of a big game dev not listening to it's fanbase. Like CoD with what they did with dedi servers. At the end of the day I'll be buying it no matter what, but if a game is on steam or Origin, I'll buy it on steam. That way a trusted source has all my games and I know they're there. Valve continue to reward their fanbase (look at how portal 2 was released and don't talk about episode 3..) and as such have my trust.

Either way the big games companies seem to be restricting exactly what the users can do with the game. I don't look at it in a bad way, look how well minecraft is doing at the moment, as well as other independant games.
Toploaded 11th July 2011, 19:17 Quote
If it was out on Steam I'd have probably got it on release as I would not have been able to help myself, now I'll just wait a few months and grab a retail version half price. I should imagine I'm not the only one that would do this either, so dunno if EA are gonna get the most from BF3 avoiding Steam.
MaximumShow 11th July 2011, 19:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
While I really like steam, the amount of steam love on this forum is ridiculous, the fact this is/isn't available on steam doesn't matter to me really, just price.
If it were on steam for 20 and origin for 15, I'd go origin, I've not had any problems with other peoples steam like applications, makes sense for them to do it this way, exclusives are a big incentive.

EA has burned me too many times, as it has many others. Why would I put my faith in a download service which my purchased games would be tied to when I KNOW it will be buggy as hell, and backed by incompetent support staff. EA literally has the worst support/reliability of any company I have encountered.

Besides, most of us have decent sized steam catalogs already. I don't want to have to subscribe to several different services just to have access to one or two games not available on steam. Valve is a trusted and reliable company where as EA is not.
Er-El 11th July 2011, 20:57 Quote
But on the flip side of things, Valve don't release their own games on other download clients.
Kovoet 11th July 2011, 21:24 Quote
I only used steam once and never again. But I'm a stubborn old man. I just something controlling everything and not giving you a choice hence I have never had an Apple product
leveller 11th July 2011, 21:24 Quote
If only Valve could compete on the publishing side of things ... minus the shareholders ... with their dedication to story and gameplay ...
knuck 11th July 2011, 21:33 Quote
It's a bummer but I'll still buy the game, regardless of its format. Those who say EA lost a sale weren't really interested by the game in the first place.
The_Beast 11th July 2011, 22:58 Quote
You buttholes are going to buy it regardless of what format it comes on. You say you won't buy it but once you see some game play and your one friend talk about it you'll buy it and praise it to high heaven
bobwya 11th July 2011, 23:22 Quote
'You are connecting to our servers, and we want to establish an ongoing relationship with you, to continue to give you the best possible gaming experience. This works well for our partnership with GameStop, Amazon and other online retailers.'

Pass me the barf bag. Oh well just expect the shelf price to be practically the same in 1-2 years time...
My butthole needs some o' that FrostBite 2 goodness :-)
lp1988 11th July 2011, 23:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
it's only a different download service, you can still link the shortcut back to your steam account. no biggie IMHO.

I just have one problem.

I don't want several "services" running constantly, new friends lists, another login, another program to spy on what I do.

and this:
Quote:
we want to establish an ongoing relationship with you, to continue to give you the best possible gaming experience.

If anything ever made my alarm bells ring this is it,
knuck 11th July 2011, 23:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by lp1988
I just have one problem.

I don't want several "services" running constantly, new friends lists, another login, another program to spy on what I do.

and this:


If anything ever made my alarm bells ring this is it,


I do agree with this but unfortunately there's no way things will stay the way they are now. Steam does need competition and it's going to happen whether we like it or not. I wouldn't want more than two of those digital distribution services at one on my PC, though
slothy89 12th July 2011, 04:07 Quote
Solution:
1) get off my arse
2) drive to local game shop
3) pay cash for preorder/game
4) drive home with physical disc
5) install in under 30 mins instead of 2days to DL from steam OR origin.

Don't care where updates come from, as long as I get them!
leveller 12th July 2011, 06:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by knuck
Steam does need competition

Please explain how EA pulling their games from Steam and selling them EXCLUSIVELY on Origin is competition.
ferret141 12th July 2011, 09:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by leveller
Quote:
Originally Posted by knuck
Steam does need competition

Please explain how EA pulling their games from Steam and selling them EXCLUSIVELY on Origin is competition.

Please explain how VALVE games are tied into Steam, even retail copies, is competition. If I bought a retail copy I would like to run it without any Steam interaction. What I see is that it's their game and they can pretty much do what they want with it.

To expand on it. The only place you can buy Left4Dead or Portal is either retail or Steam. D2D don't have them. When you buy retail you still have to install Steam to play. EA is simply doing what's the compettition doing with their own titles.
Kris 12th July 2011, 09:17 Quote
Small comparison between steam and d2drive games (i've only bought from d2d once, as witcher two was 34 eur instead of 50 at steam :/):
step one: download rar file
step two: extract
step three: install
step 4: delete installer + rar file.

steam install: download game
(maybe some small installs like dx or c++ distributable update)
run game

it's just so much easier, and same thing about the game catalogue, having your games on steam, then having games in other accounts etc it just makes it more uncomfortable, that's the main reason people are preaching steam perhaps?

I know that if possible, i would not buy from another dl service if steam doesn't have a good price, i'd rather get the retail version.
impar 12th July 2011, 09:19 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Beast
You buttholes are going to buy it regardless of what format it comes on.
Sure. Whenever the price drops to 15-20€. By that time, will just play the SP and uninstall.
PS:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lp1988
I don't want several "services" running constantly, new friends lists, another login, another program to spy on what I do.
This!
Ayrto 12th July 2011, 11:40 Quote
If I were at Dice I'd be seriously pissed that it looks like EA are going to use this game as a guinea pig to promote Origin. This is the one game that sells itself, you'd have thought it'd be impossible to screw it up yet they're trying . Many don't want multiple clients on their PCs, all open and all vying for bandwidth.
Kovoet 12th July 2011, 11:44 Quote
Where are the good old days where I could pop down to Game pr PC world and get the latest games. When finished with packed them away in my cupboard with my other old games and every now and then take them old for old times sakes.

Damn I still have the old Wing Commander IV with all 6 CD's. I hated it when the likes of steam and the rest came in to take control
RichCreedy 12th July 2011, 13:17 Quote
why cant they let steam manage the downloads and stuff, its a proven platform, that for most users just works, i dont want multiple dowloaders on my system
impar 12th July 2011, 14:55 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichCreedy
... i dont want multiple dowloaders on my system
Thats the easy part, the hard part is keep track of friends on several "downloaders" lists.
Sloth 12th July 2011, 18:16 Quote
Hm, Steam which automatically downloads and applies updates, or the horrors of BF2142 patches where they must be installed in chronological order by hand for new installs.

Yep, my vote's with Steam or any similar automatic system. Having to hunt down and apply patches is a thing of the past.
Quote:
Originally Posted by leveller
Please explain how EA pulling their games from Steam and selling them EXCLUSIVELY on Origin is competition.
Either you've failed to understand what's going on or you're purposefully choosing to ignore reality, neither one makes for a convincing argument. The article makes it quite clear that EA is willing to offer their games on digital distribution services other than Origin.

You might also want to check up on the meaning of competition, selling one's product exclusively on rival platforms is about as competitive as one can be.
leveller 12th July 2011, 18:47 Quote
Sloth, what percentage of digital distribution on the PC does Steam cover?

Before you attempt to understand what you are talking about, find out that figure. That figure is what EA are scrubbing out of their minds. (for clarification) That figure is what EA want to take from Steam and sink in to Origin.

added:

to all those banging on about how this is competition for Steam - competition is being able to buy Heinz beans in Tesco, Sainsbury and Morrisons. Competition is NOT only being able to buy Heinz beans from the Heinz beans exclusive outlet and a couple of non-entities.

and another thing:

those that are moaning about those that are moaning about this story - maybe you don't actually use Steam's benefits like the rest of us, therefore you don't comprehend the annoyance this is causing us?
Anfield 12th July 2011, 20:51 Quote
Just look at EAs history and what they have done to PC Gaming, do we really want their Service (origin) to succeed or would we all be happier if it went down the drain and another Company would try to compete with Steam instead?
ssj12 13th July 2011, 03:16 Quote
so basically im not buying the game. thank EA for letting me know this.
L2wis 13th July 2011, 08:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by DeathAwaitsU
I only buy from steam these days (cba having 10+ accounts, rather have them all in one place ala steam) so thats a one lost sale at least

Absolute same story here... To me it being on my steam account if far better than owning the discs with a 2 year old running round the house no disc is safe.
stoff3r 15th July 2011, 21:26 Quote
" if we're not allowed to manage this experience directly and establish a relationship with you, it disrupts our ability to provide the support you expect and deserve."

Oh, like that 5 years of missing patch for Battlefield 2 that finally a third party had to pay EA for to give out?
GravitySmacked 15th July 2011, 21:42 Quote
Good point.
impar 19th July 2011, 10:26 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
New report further suggests Battlefield 3 to bypass Steam

Several days ago it seems that publisher Electronic Arts was suggesting that the PC version of its highly anticipated first person shooter Battlefield 3 would not be sold on Valve's popular Steam service. Today another report also seems to suggest that the game won't appear on Steam either. The Develop web site reports that Baird, a financial research firm, claims to have had meetings with game retailer GameStop.

According to the story a representative from Baird states, "The upcoming EA title Battlefield 3 will be sold as a download through GameStop, but not through Steam." The rep added, "Given Steam's dominance – and insistence on users downloading a Steam client application – publishers are likely to be receptive to a competitive alternative."
leveller 19th July 2011, 10:47 Quote
Screw BF3 and EA.

My allegiance is with whoever is battling for great PC gaming, it is clear from EA's actions they are battling for Origin which offers none of Steams social benefits to the end user.

Therefore MODERN WARFARE 3 ftfw

Never thought I'd support Activision in anything tbh. And this will only last until they announce their alternative delivery system as well.
greypilgers 19th July 2011, 12:58 Quote
I feel sorry for DICE. I'm definitely gonna get this game for them. They made a brilliant BC2, and I want this to be a success (in retail sales, at least) so that people look to this sort of way forward rather than the MW way forward...
leveller 19th July 2011, 13:02 Quote
There is no doubt that the game will sell VERY well, regardless of what a few of us may or may not do.

It's just a shame DICE can't take their franchise to Valve.
Baz 19th July 2011, 16:55 Quote
All this resistance was around when steam first arrived too. Now we all love Steam, and Origin is the big bad.

I think they can both co-exist; release the game on Steam and Origin, make the Origin version £5 cheaper, win?
oatey4519 19th July 2011, 19:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Baz
All this resistance was around when steam first arrived too. Now we all love Steam, and Origin is the big bad.

I think they can both co-exist; release the game on Steam and Origin, make the Origin version £5 cheaper, win?

Think your right.
If Origin played the cheaper card and started to do deals later on like Steam more people would be happy.
I run both and they sit happy together in my tray.
impar 8th August 2011, 10:01 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
Battlefield 3 and Digital Retailers
EA offers games, including Battlefield 3, to all major digital download sites. In doing so, our goal is to not only reach the widest possible global audience with our games, but also to provide ongoing customer support, patches and great new content.
...
Gamers can pre-order Battlefield 3 at Origin.com as well as over 100 digital retailers worldwide. EA offers games to all major download services. Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. No other download service has adopted these practices.
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EA still wants patches and DLCs to be manually downloaded and installed, à la Crysis 2 DX11 and HR textures packs.
impar 9th August 2011, 09:54 Quote
Greetings!
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Editorial: What EA will lose if Battlefield 3 remains off Steam
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Plenty of PC gamers sit down each night without knowing what they want to play. Instead, they log into their Steam accounts, see what other people are playing, then jump into a multiplayer game. In many cases, they buy widely played games simply to be part of the community, or based on positive reviews from friends. Steam isn't just a store, it's also a meeting place.
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greypilgers 9th August 2011, 12:37 Quote
+1 to the post above this. Steam is a community now, not just a place to buy games. If EA are not willing to elaborate on or quantify these so called restrictive measures Valve have brought in (that don't appear to restrict any other publisher or developer at all) then I have no alternative but to dismiss the claims as negative PR designed to impact upon a successful competitor and give their own service an unfair advantage.
impar 9th August 2011, 13:05 Quote
Greetings!

Someone correct me, but EAs attempt at social network in BF3, the Battlelog, is restricted to BF3 only, right?
If it is, it will function as a separate closed community. Will be a success initially because of all the hype surrounding the games release, once that wears of it will be for die-hard BF3 fans.
SPNKR 9th August 2011, 16:34 Quote
God I'm sick of EA, Ubi, Blizzard, and all these shenanigans.

Steam is the only DRM I've used that has worked well and ADDED something to the game.

Steam is easy to use, unintrusive and provides my gaming friends and chat capabilities.

Valve also gives away DLC for free, and barring TF2 hats, does not offer stupid pre order only exclusive DLC, or Platform exclusive DLC.

So, for crying out loud, STOP DOING STUPID THINGS LIKE THIS EA.

I'll still prolly buy BF3, but mostly out of support for DICE, not Electronic....Ahem,

-SPNKR
The_Beast 9th August 2011, 23:08 Quote
Honestly have the people bitching about Origin even used it? I pre-ordered BF3 on it and even got a free game for testing. It was pretty damn simple


I do however get the "don't fix what isn't broken" aspect of this
greypilgers 10th August 2011, 00:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
Honestly have the people bitching about Origin even used it? I pre-ordered BF3 on it and even got a free game for testing. It was pretty damn simple


I do however get the "don't fix what isn't broken" aspect of this

Absolutely. I've got nothing against Origin. I don't want it to fold. I do have an issue with EA preventing the sale of games on Origins main (and some would argue only real) competitor. EA should be more focussed on running their own race, rather than trying to nobble the other horse...
impar 10th August 2011, 09:58 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Beast
Honestly have the people bitching about Origin even used it?
Did. Dont see the point on using it again. Still have to have Steam running for its social features and add non-Steam games to Steam.
Its like Battle.net when played Starcraft 2. Stopped playing SC2 because of the imbalance in ZvP and the Steam popups in the corners.
Ficky Pucker 10th August 2011, 19:48 Quote
@ The Beast

the only time i had to deal with origin was when i helped my brother to get NFS:Shift 2 working , i fixed the problem by downloading a crack...
impar 11th August 2011, 21:54 Quote
Ficky Pucker 11th August 2011, 22:15 Quote
i wish EA would f*** off with the pos Origin already, forcing people to install it just to run a f***** game.
ferret141 11th August 2011, 23:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ficky Pucker
i wish EA would f*** off with the pos Origin already, forcing people to install it just to run a f***** game.

Isn't that what Steam does to some of it's games anyway?
impar 12th August 2011, 00:12 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by ferret141
Isn't that what Steam does to some of it's games anyway?
Yes. But with BF3 you will need Origin and Battlelog. Battlelog seems to be a browser based application and "Origin friends" arent carried to "Battlelog friends". So you end up using two "apps" and two lists of friends.
oatey4519 12th August 2011, 09:53 Quote
After playing around with the Alpha you will need Origin.
You don't actually touch/use it.
It all launches from your Battlelog in your chosen browser.

Steam have been at it for ages.
If you don't like Origin you can't play the game.

More important things going on in the world than moaning about a small piece of software.
ferret141 12th August 2011, 10:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by impar
Greetings!

Yes. But with BF3 you will need Origin and Battlelog. Battlelog seems to be a browser based application and "Origin friends" arent carried to "Battlelog friends". So you end up using two "apps" and two lists of friends.

That can be annoying but who's to say it doesn't change over time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by oatey4519
More important things going on in the world than moaning about a small piece of software.

I like your thinking
greypilgers 12th August 2011, 22:52 Quote
There are more important things going on in the world, but it's our ability to moan and talk about other, more inconsequential things, that help people in general deal with the bigger, more serious things...

;)
Goethe 13th August 2011, 13:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by greypilgers
There are more important things going on in the world, but it's our ability to moan and talk about other, more inconsequential things, that help people in general deal with the bigger, more serious things...

;)

What did you expect, that we would be discussing the cure for cancer? B)

Sucks having to install yet another download service, and even if you buy retail, you still have to use Origin to run the game, the same way Fallout New Vegas had to install Steam.
impar 15th August 2011, 11:55 Quote
Greetings!
Quote:
Only one Battlefield 3 soldier allowed per player

According to recent insights, one's Battlefield 3 name will be paired with one's EA Origin profile, and players will be allowed only one soldier per account, unlike Bad Company 2.
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