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Sony implicates Anonymous over PSN attacks

Sony implicates Anonymous over PSN attacks

Sony has implicated Anonymous as being behind the recent attacks on PSN and SOE services.

Sony has implicated hacking group Anonymous as being behind the recent attacks on Sony's PSN and Sony Online Entertainment services, which have compromised the credit card details of millions of Sony customers. Several Sony services, on both PlayStation and PC, remain offline.

Sony boss Kaz Hirai made the implication in an open letter to the US House of Representatives subcommitte, which is (along with some other governments) investigating the attacks.

"We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named 'Anonymous' with the words 'We are Legion'," said Sony's Patrick Seybold on the official PlayStation blog.

Hirai's letter also confirmed that no fraudulent credit card activity has been reported following the attacks, indicating that the hacks were not motivated by financial gain.

Anonymous has denied involvement however, although it says it does 'have a beef' with Sony over the lawsuits bought against PS3 firmware breaker George 'Geohot' Hotz.

Prior to the recent PSN attacks Anonymous insisted that it would not attack PSN out of a desire to wound Sony, not customers.

Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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maximus09 5th May 2011, 11:50 Quote
Could it really be Anonymous? If they were determined not to wound customers then surely they would have done something else.

Unless they actually didn't steal any data whatsoever and are just making it up so that they can take out Anonymous. Or maybe they planted the file themselves so that they can have someone to blame.
cjoyce1980 5th May 2011, 11:51 Quote
scapegoat for sony's failings
BRAWL 5th May 2011, 11:56 Quote
It does kind of go against Anon's usual way of doing things, i.e. hitting websites of the company specifically. I mean it's not like PSN is the only thing Sony do?
javaman 5th May 2011, 11:56 Quote
Hmmmmmm As convenient as walking into a murder scene and the "murderer" having left his name and address on his business card sitting on the coffee table. Annon are DNS kids,I still highly doubt they could do this. Last thing we need tho is more corporate raids aka apple execs busting in your door cause they screwed up and want a convenient scape goat.
leveller 5th May 2011, 11:57 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sony Rep
"We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named 'Anonymous' with the words 'We are Legion'," said Sony's Patrick Seybold

Then it must be true.

No, but seriously, if Obama told me that Anon did it then I'd believe it.
greypilgers 5th May 2011, 11:57 Quote
Yep - sounds like Sony found a readymade scapegoat to try and extricate itself from its security failings, in the eyes of the US et al.

I mean, I can leave a note with a neighbour saying Barack Obama was here to borrow a cup of sugar. Doesn't mean HE was actually there...
Puk 5th May 2011, 11:59 Quote
Hardly wounding customers, means people had to find an alternative to sitting on their backsides each and every evening. Job well done.
DbD 5th May 2011, 12:00 Quote
Planted a file? - Anonymous says they didn't do it, but Sony is *sure* it was them cause they *found* a file on their ultra-secure unhackable system lol
Jaffo 5th May 2011, 12:01 Quote
If the file wasn't encrypted it's more likely Sony put it there.

All this smoke and mirrors isn't helping me get my Portal 2 on, you Sony f-wits!
AcidJiles 5th May 2011, 12:14 Quote
Obvious scapegoat is obvious
Tokukachi 5th May 2011, 12:23 Quote
Hang on, it's one thing hacking a network to get a server to dump its database to you, it's a whole other thing being able to put a file on the system. If it's true it sounds like someone had complete access to the system somehow, which is a massive Fail on Sony's part
SpAceman 5th May 2011, 12:24 Quote
Just because one person claims to speak on behalf of all people who participate in various doings of "Anonymous", doesn't mean that all these people are actually being spoken on behalf of.
bemused 5th May 2011, 12:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjoyce1980
scapegoat for sony's failings

^ this, they've admitted PSN/SOE was hacked via. a known defect, just one they didn't know about.
r3loaded 5th May 2011, 12:29 Quote
It might even be a false flag by the real hackers.
perplekks45 5th May 2011, 12:39 Quote
Ridiculous!

Anonymous already posted a statement:

http://i.imgur.com/2tJJ2.jpg
Mentai 5th May 2011, 12:40 Quote
This whole Sony thing makes a big mistake implying that Anonymous is a cohesive hacker group. Anyone anonymous is Anonymous.
javaman 5th May 2011, 12:42 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by leveller


No, but seriously, if Obama told me that Anon did it then I'd believe it.

And the American government haven't lied or used people as convenient scape goats in the past? corporations and governments are the only groups I automatically assume every word is a lie until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise, rather than give the benefit of the doubt.
BentAnat 5th May 2011, 12:45 Quote
There is a risk here from Sony's side:
If it wasn't Anon (and my gut says it's a convenient scapegoat), then they might just have pulled some rage their way.
themax 5th May 2011, 12:46 Quote
In Sony's letter to congress they stated that during the investigation files were found named "Anonymous" with "We are legion" in the text body. Sony ALSO goes on to state that the still do not know who was behind the attack.

Since that letter was made public I have yet to see that line awknowledged in Sony's letter. Even Engadget has edited their article to remove the paragraph they quoted from the letter which stated the same, instead leaving the headline that Sony has pointed the finger and called it a day.
mute1 5th May 2011, 12:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by javaman
And the American government haven't lied or used people as convenient scape goats in the past? corporations and governments are the only groups I automatically assume every word is a lie until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise, rather than give the benefit of the doubt.

I think he was being ironic. At least I hope he was...
liratheal 5th May 2011, 12:55 Quote
Has no one considered that it whoever did it left that to distract from themselves?

Sony may not be lying, but they would be foolish to put all their eggs in the Anonymous basket.
faugusztin 5th May 2011, 12:55 Quote
In other news, i just found a file on my computer, named SONY.hacked.your.computer.txt, and it contains following text : "make.believe".


PS: It is a joke, of course.
hyperion 5th May 2011, 12:55 Quote
For once I'm rooting for the "conspiracy theory" ending. An anonymous hacker is ok Ii guess, but just think of the drama if sony somehow implicated nintendo or MS. That would be something worth reading about.
buzzhard 5th May 2011, 12:57 Quote
All these sites saying that sony is pointing a finger need to get their facts straight. And as far a passing the blame goes, they are victims in this too. The hackers who broke into the system are the criminals, you wouldn't blame ford if somebody broke your mustangs window and took your stereo.
law99 5th May 2011, 13:25 Quote
Honest to god... I swear what I read said they didn't think it was anon, although the file left implicated it was.

"Whether those who participated in the denial of service attacks were conspirators or whether they were simply duped into providing cover for a very clever thief, we may never know. In any case, those who participated in the attacks should understand that -- whether they knew it or not -- they were aiding in a well planned, well executed, large-scale theft that left not only Sony a victim, but also Sony’s many customers around the world."

They think it was oportunistic rather than anon. Nice **** stirring though and to be quite frank, who wouldn't have them pegged as one of the main targets at this stage?
Denis_iii 5th May 2011, 14:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
It might even be a false flag by the real hackers.

+1
azazel1024 5th May 2011, 15:15 Quote
Frankly I doubt Sony is lying about it. Sony at least supposedly has hired a security/forensics company to investigate. Now I'll grant you they could be giving them a bonus to go along with it...but the odds of it getting out that Sony was lying (if they were) are high enough that I think any executive at Sony would be damned warry about fabricating anything. Getting something wrong, maybe, fabricating is something else.

Now that doesn't mean it wasn't just planted there by some unrelated hacker(s) just to draw attention away from themselves. It also doesn't mean that someone associated with Anon didn't put it there, and it wasn't something "sanctioned" by the collective.

Calling Anon a group is kind of missleading. They aren't well organized and there is no real membership. At best it is like saying people who have a membership on an internet forum are a group. Sure sometimes they organize some local meet and greets, or some kind of campaign, but Anon is even less well organized than our US Tea Party politcal group. Though sometimes I think you could draw some nice parrallels between the two groups in terms of social responsibility and maturity.

I mean that in the nicest way *sarcasm*
maximus09 5th May 2011, 15:39 Quote
Has anyone one considered that the hackers want to remain anonymous? Hence they titled the file "Anonymous" and instead their hacker group is called Legion? After all is says "we are Legion" not "we are Anonymous".

Of course if could be a hacker who just played to much ME2 and loved the Geth :s
mucgoo 5th May 2011, 17:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by maximus09
Has anyone one considered that the hackers want to remain anonymous? Hence they titled the file "Anonymous" and instead their hacker group is called Legion? After all is says "we are Legion" not "we are Anonymous".

Of course if could be a hacker who just played to much ME2 and loved the Geth :s

Or they really like reading the bible and got the quote from there :-)
Rustypouch 5th May 2011, 17:52 Quote
I'm just going to come clean guys...it was me. Sorry.
thehippoz 5th May 2011, 18:02 Quote
what they probably found was a picture of the buttsecks monkey.. and it looked like their infosec guy
Woodspoon 5th May 2011, 18:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustypouch
I'm just going to come clean guys...it was me. Sorry.

No, it was me.
I am Spartacus!
sorry that should be Anonymous.
I am Anonymous!
perplekks45 5th May 2011, 18:46 Quote
Or maybe a pumpkin ass-face?
Action_Parsnip 5th May 2011, 19:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by javaman
Hmmmmmm As convenient as walking into a murder scene and the "murderer" having left his name and address on his business card sitting on the coffee table. Annon are DNS kids,I still highly doubt they could do this. Last thing we need tho is more corporate raids aka apple execs busting in your door cause they screwed up and want a convenient scape goat.

Ooooh no I think your under estimating these boys. They are capable of more than nub tricks^^
jimmyjj 5th May 2011, 20:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodspoon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustypouch
I'm just going to come clean guys...it was me. Sorry.

No, it was me.
I am Spartacus!
sorry that should be Anonymous.
I am Anonymous!

I am anonymous!
And so is my wife...
sandys 5th May 2011, 20:50 Quote
I don't care who has done it, I just want my PSN back and the hackers shot in the face!

I've had to go out to the video shop rather than download from home...how damn inconvenient :D
echeb 5th May 2011, 21:42 Quote
When ever i read an article bout Anonymous i allways remember this quote: "

Anonymous is a group, in the sense that a flock of birds is a group. How do you know they're a group? Because they're travelling in the same direction. At any given moment, more birds could join, leave, peel off in another direction entirely." - Landers, Chris, Baltimore City Paper, April 2, 2008.

So to me ether someone has gone off on his/her own and done this with the unwitting help of Anonymous, or Sony are bricking it and want someone to blame when they get sued.

P.S. who bets that one of the 'top security firms' is HBGarry
Whirly 5th May 2011, 22:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandys
I don't care who has done it, I just want my PSN back and the hackers shot in the face!

I've had to go out to the video shop rather than download from home...how damn inconvenient :D

The amount of time it's taking to get PSN back on-line has nothing to do with the hacker(s), it is entirely down to Sony's incompetence both before and after the hack.

By throwing suspicion at Anon, Sony is trying to deflect blame away from themselves. And that blame is truly justified. While no system connected to the internet is entirely safe, careful management can (and should) result in making a hack both incredibly difficult and (relatively) not worth the effort. Even simple measures such as basic encryption of data would have made getting usable data exponentially more difficult.

Nevertheless we should not lose sight of two things. Firstly, that the hack was a criminal act and secondly that it was made possible by a lack of proper security. If you lend your car to a friend who then parks it in a dodgy area and leaves a spare key in the wheel arch, you wouldn't be overly happy with him when he tells you your car has been nicked. Is he the criminal? No. But would you trust him with your bike next week?

Of course, there is a further level to this. That car your mate borrowed. Well, he left your house keys in it along with a map to your house. Would you expect him to pay for having your locks changed? Same with Sony. At the very least they have allowed your personal details to be stolen. Do they bear any responsibility for the personal consequences you may suffer from any subsequent ID theft?

So when you turn on your PS3 and can't get on-line, don't think it is entirely the fault of the hack. The delay has far more to do with Sony trying to ensure their new system does not leave them open to massive lawsuits should it be hacked again than any real technical issue.
LordPyrinc 6th May 2011, 00:54 Quote
Data breaches happen all the time, but how often do you hear about a service being down for more than a couple of days due to a breach?

I think Sony was more likely hacked by an insider and Sony is trying to figure out how to stop this from happening again. They haven't found the hacker within and so they are wary of resuming services even if there are new security measures in place.

It's good publicity to point fingers at another outside source. Especially one that has a colorful past. It might come back to bite Sony in the rear if it does turn out to be an insider that caused the breach.
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