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Valve still hates the PlayStation 3

Valve still hates the PlayStation 3

Valve boss Gabe Newell has again implied that the PS3 is a waste of time and that Valve is avoiding the console.

Valve founder and boss Gabe Newell doesn't like the PlayStation 3, that we know from his famous lament that any attempt to support the platform would be pretty much a waste of everybody's time.

Still, things seemed to be turning a bit when it was reported that Valve was hiring PS3 developers - could Valve have plans for the PS3 afterall?

No, apparently not.

Speaking in a recent interview with GameTrailers TV, Gabe Newell was asked whether the efforts to hire experience PS3 coders might be a sign that the company was working on the console his response was quite simple - No.

"Are you guys working on PlayStation 3 here now, trying to understand it, trying to get better at it?" asked GTTV host Geoff Keighley.

"Uh,no. not in any real way," replied a dismissive Newell who again cut straight to the chase.

The fact that Newell is so anti-PlayStation though isn't a huge surprise - Newell himself used to work at Microsoft and Valve is primarily a PC developer afterall. He's not the only developer to criticise the architecture of the PS3 either, suggesting that the system is too complex to work with.

"[The PS3 is] a disaster on many levels ... I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it ," Newell once said in an interview with CVG.

What do you think of Valve and the PlayStation 3? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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javaman 14th August 2009, 11:42 Quote
think a link is missing from first paragraph

"[erul=http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/06/10/why-valve-don-t-make-ps3-games/1]a waste of everybody's time[/eurl]. "

should it not be eurl at the start like the end or something? (limited coding knowledge)
B1GBUD 14th August 2009, 11:44 Quote
^^ what he said

+ Gabe is right... shouldn't Fony just donate their remaining stocks of PS3's for folding? seems there is nothing good going for them anymore.
Krikkit 14th August 2009, 11:45 Quote
Some people really are just miserable *******s aren't they? If you don't want to code for it, don't just throw your toys out of the pram.
Star*Dagger 14th August 2009, 11:45 Quote
GOOD! Get rid of the xbox devs and let's keep things on the PC where they belong!

Yours in PC Gaming Elitist Plasma,
Star*Dagger
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 11:46 Quote
there has to be something in all of this, the amount of devs saying the same thing. i have to say im almost inclined to agree with him despite being a PS3 owner. Maybe sony should take the vista/W7 view on this and start over.
cjoyce1980 14th August 2009, 11:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
GOOD! Get rid of the xbox devs and let's keep things on the PC where they belong!

Yours in PC Gaming Elitist Plasma,
Star*Dagger

why??? with the dev kit, they only need to write the code once and can compile two versions.... so it would be silly not to produce a 360 as well
sandys 14th August 2009, 12:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
there has to be something in all of this, the amount of devs saying the same thing. i have to say im almost inclined to agree with him despite being a PS3 owner. Maybe sony should take the vista/W7 view on this and start over.


not really, its a small amount of devs making a big amount of noise, typically for their own sordid reasons/excuses, plenty of others just turn out quality stuff on PS3 silently no doubt laughing at the **** ones who can't cope without wads of MS cash.
Tim S 14th August 2009, 12:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
think a link is missing from first paragraph

"[erul=http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/06/10/why-valve-don-t-make-ps3-games/1]a waste of everybody's time[/eurl]. "

should it not be eurl at the start like the end or something? (limited coding knowledge)

Thank you, fixed.
DaMightyMouse 14th August 2009, 12:28 Quote
no doubt laughing at the **** ones who can't cope without wads of MS cash.[/QUOTE]

As opposed to wads of Sony cash? And where the hell is GT5? Maybe they will release a second demo version and molest our wallets!
xaser04 14th August 2009, 12:33 Quote
Message to Gabe - Quit moaning about a platform you don't like (we get it already!) and sodding finish HL2:EP3....

Does this guy have nothing better to do than moan about a platform they havn't even released a game for?!

Its obvious from the number of quality games on the PS3, not to mention the copious amounts of crossplatform games that for all intense and purposes appear identical on both 'next gen' consoles, that, despite what certain developers would have us believe the PS3 is more than a match for the 360 in overall ability (small differences aside) and ,based on sales figures has a large enough market to make it a worthwhile platform.
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 12:34 Quote
well if they dont release some killer apps soon mine is definately going on Ebay. i only ever play SF4 on it anymore, oh and the odd bit of burnout paradise (both of which i could have on PC)
hodgy100 14th August 2009, 12:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
well if they dont release some killer apps soon mine is definately going on Ebay. i only ever play SF4 on it anymore, oh and the odd bit of burnout paradise (both of which i could have on PC)

what about little big planet? Killzone 2? metal gear solid 4? uncharted? warhawk? heavenly sword? infamous? resistance? resistance 2? ratchet and clank : TOD?

there are loads of good exclusive games out there, its just that a lot of people like to brush over them :/ and don't forget there is still GOW3 and uncharted 2 and heavy rain to come :D

i think gabe is being a dick tbh, yeah he is a great developer but this is just abuse of his influence :/
Bauul 14th August 2009, 12:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by cjoyce1980


why??? with the dev kit, they only need to write the code once and can compile two versions.... so it would be silly not to produce a 360 as well

Arguably, that's the problem. As it's easy to dev for both, developers often do, and as the 360 version always sells more, they thus design the game for the console, not the PC.

If they could only design for the PC, we'd have better games!
[USRF]Obiwan 14th August 2009, 12:52 Quote
Its a blu-ray player with a rushed console engine added to it. But thats my personal opinion...
impar 14th August 2009, 12:53 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by crompers
there has to be something in all of this, the amount of devs saying the same thing.
Not only developers:
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Imagine Microsoft saying the same thing about the next DirectX. Riots would follow.

If Valve has problems developing for a difficult platform then it should just ignore it.
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 12:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by hodgy100
what about little big planet? Killzone 2? metal gear solid 4? uncharted? warhawk? heavenly sword? infamous? resistance? resistance 2? ratchet and clank : TOD?

LBP kept me interested for about 5 hours

Killzone 2, played it for about a day, nothing that i haven't seen on the PC (grey, grey, grey oooohhh brown!) and i can play FPS with a mouse and keyboard on pc, which is actually an enjoyable experience as opposed to fighting with a pad for hours.

MGS4: fair enough great title

uncharted: really enjoyed it. 2 does look good to be fair.

heavenly sword: bleurgh, predictable and staid.

infamous not as good as prototype, which i can play on pc cheaper with better graphics

resistance 1+2: see Killzone 2

R&C: not my cup of tea

TOD:?

the machine just hasnt convinced me. once i've finished valkyria chronicles and white knight chronicles (which you failed to mention) i'll probably get rid
themax 14th August 2009, 13:02 Quote
Except we don't know if they have problems. They've never really tried to begin with! Valve is a talented studio, yet they are a huge contradiction. So many small studios are able to churn out games on the PS3, yet the mighty Valve, one of the leading PC developers, can't be bothered to wrap their minds around the PS3's architecture? So what happens if DirectX undergoes a radical change (not saying it ever will) Does Valve close up shop and send all the staff home? You know, "It's hard" is really getting old when other developers have no problems at all programming for the console.
Paradigm Shifter 14th August 2009, 13:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
R&C: not my cup of tea

TOD:?

the machine just hasnt convinced me. once i've finished valkyria chronicles and white knight chronicles (which you failed to mention) i'll probably get rid

TOD is the subtitle for R&C. ;)

...

Valkyria Chronicles is very good, I like that a lot. White Knight Chronicles looks pretty sweet.

But the game that makes the PS3 for me... and means that in no way, shape or form I'd ever consider getting rid of it is Disgaea 3. SRPG goodness.

I quite like Lair - it wasn't an amazing game, but it's a lot better than some of the crap that comes out on every platform.

I suppose it depends on whether you discount multiplatform games as a reason for owning a PS3. If you don't have a 360, want some of the multiplatform games, want some of the PS3 exclusives and want a Blu-ray player... the PS3 is a good idea. If, on the other hand, you want Gears of War... it's not such a good idea. :)

...

That being said... I really don't care what Gabe Newell says about the PS3. As the article states, it's well known he can't stand it and wouldn't have a good word to say about it no matter what. So I don't really understand why 'Valve still hates the PS3' is news, to be honest. It's not news - it's a repeat of olds. Lombardi says one thing... Newell says another... who do you believe? Or do you believe both?
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 13:32 Quote
ah Disgaea 3, havent tried that one yet, must get hold of a copy. although i suspect that title could just as easily have been released on PS2?

re: multi-platform - i played GTAIV through on the PS3, enjoyed it immensely but to me the graphics were jaggy and the draw distance was crap. then i saw my mate playing it on PC and i was kicking myself, beautiful game on the right system.

So now i buy any single player games on PC to save disappointment on the graphics front (regardless of whether i would consider them a "console title") , and play them with a 360 pad!
dyzophoria 14th August 2009, 13:42 Quote
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Message to Gabe - Quit moaning about a platform you don't like (we get it already!) and sodding finish HL2:EP3....

i don't think he's moaning, he was asked if he would develop for the ps3 coz news spread that they hired some ps3 devs
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Speaking in a recent interview with GameTrailers TV, Gabe Newell was asked whether the efforts to hire experience PS3 coders might be a sign that the company was working on the console his response was quite simple - No.

so he just gave a simple 'no" lolz, that aint moaning, the moaning part was related to the previous article he said i think
Paradigm Shifter 14th August 2009, 14:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
ah Disgaea 3, havent tried that one yet, must get hold of a copy. although i suspect that title could just as easily have been released on PS2?

It probably could have been, yes. The sprites are higher res (apparently even more so if you get your hands on lots of the DLC... I've not done so yet as I can't be bothered...) than in Disgaea 1 or 2, but not by a lot. To be honest, given that they fitten Disgaea 1 on a CD in Europe with a single audio track, Disgaea 2 on a DVD with dual audio tracks... Disgaea 3 would have probably worked on the PS2. There are occasions, though, when I look at something and think, "I'd never have seen that on an SD output..." I think the audio quality is higher, too.

It's a must have for any PS3 gamer with a little patience - the storyline itself can be completed fairly quickly... but doing all the extra stuff takes a bloody long time. :)
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Originally Posted by crompers
re: multi-platform - i played GTAIV through on the PS3, enjoyed it immensely but to me the graphics were jaggy and the draw distance was crap. then i saw my mate playing it on PC and i was kicking myself, beautiful game on the right system.

So now i buy any single player games on PC to save disappointment on the graphics front (regardless of whether i would consider them a "console title") , and play them with a 360 pad!

Yes, I was of a similar opinion with GTA4 myself, as it happens. :) Saw it on the PS3 and 360, thought they were more or less the same. I bought it on the PS3. Saw it later on the PC... and was very tempted. I managed to avoid it, however, as the prerequisite of activation (although not as badly implemented as many), Games for Windows Live (which I've not had a good experience of, although I'll admit that others might have had a better time of it...) and Rockstar Social Club (something which I view as utterly unnecessary) made me very leery of the PC release.

That any my experience of the PS3 version left me wanting to play Vice City again. ;)
xaser04 14th August 2009, 14:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by dyzophoria
the moaning part was related to the previous article he said i think

Um yes I know, hence my post.

I could have worded it a bit better but I was basically talking about Gabe's rambling about the PS3 in general (which is alluded to in this article (the additional links).

Quite frankly I don't really care if he doesn't like the PS3, valve don't develope anything for it so him ramblings are a moot point.

I just wish they could focus on what they do best, pc games.... (HL2:EP3 FFS!)
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 14:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
That any my experience of the PS3 version left me wanting to play Vice City again. ;)

but you couldn't because we dont have PS2 compatibility! this is another thing that annoys me, i'd love to play God of War 1+2 prior to the release of 3 but no chance.

anyways i'll just say that aside from off the wall japanese releases and the odd title that i probably could have got on PC anyway, i haven't exactly been bowled over. a machine that is supposed to be this powerful should be doing more (at least than the 360) imo
sandys 14th August 2009, 16:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
but you couldn't because we dont have PS2 compatibility! this is another thing that annoys me, i'd love to play God of War 1+2 prior to the release of 3 but no chance.

Might be a chance its rumored to be coming in a new firmware release for all PS3s.

I wanted to do the same as you prior to GoW3 and fortunately have a UK launch PS3 so have done :) , God of war looks surprisingly good when played back on a big HDTV via PS3, the upscaler/ps2 smoother does a cracking job, I thought it was going to look crap but it doesn't at all.
[PUNK] crompers 14th August 2009, 16:31 Quote
we've been waiting for that update for how long? i have serious doubts as to whether it will materialise tbh
Paradigm Shifter 14th August 2009, 16:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
but you couldn't because we dont have PS2 compatibility! this is another thing that annoys me, i'd love to play God of War 1+2 prior to the release of 3 but no chance.
Actually, I have got PS2 compatibility. I got one of the last 60GB PS3's with the backwards compatibility in my area. :D According to the shop, anyway - they might well have been feeding me nonsense on that bit of info.

I never really got into God of War. I keep hearing good things about it, so I'm sure I'll try it at some point... ;)

Oh, and I meant play Vice City on the PC. :) I never got the console version. I was disappointed in GTA3 so didn't bother. Heard good things about San Andreas so got that... and hated it. :(
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Originally Posted by crompers
anyways i'll just say that aside from off the wall japanese releases and the odd title that i probably could have got on PC anyway, i haven't exactly been bowled over. a machine that is supposed to be this powerful should be doing more (at least than the 360) imo
I'd say that, like the PS2... the PS3 will come into it's own later in its 'life'. The PS2 still has some cracking games on it (I just picked up Baroque out of interest...) and I'd be tempted to argue that developers didn't really know how to get the best out of the console until long after FFX was released.

That said, the XBox 360 is no slouch, and Sony need to do more to make the PS3 a more attractive platform for buyers. They don't need to worry so much about developers - they'll code for a platform no matter what if they think it'll sell well. Well, unless you're Gabe Newell. :) To get devs on board, all Sony really need to do is point out the utter lack of piracy on the console. To get buyers on board, they need the price to drop and the catalogue to grow. It would encourage adoption if they could stuff the hardware necessary for PS2 BC back in the console again - I'm sure a fair number of people would trade in their non-BC PS3's for a PS3Slim if it came with proper, 100%, guaranteed working BC.
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Originally Posted by sandys
Might be a chance its rumored to be coming in a new firmware release for all PS3s.

I wanted to do the same as you prior to GoW3 and fortunately have a UK launch PS3 so have done :) , God of war looks surprisingly good when played back on a big HDTV via PS3, the upscaler/ps2 smoother does a cracking job, I thought it was going to look crap but it doesn't at all.

Yeah, the upscaling in the PS3 is absolutely without peer. FFX practically looks like it could be native HD on my Samsung screen. :)

I'm dubious that Sony are gonna get software BC as good as it needs to be for it to be a firmware update. :(
Er-El 14th August 2009, 17:42 Quote
To those complaining about Gabe's moaning, GT approached Gabe Newell and asked him a question, he gave his honest opinion - deal with it.
I can see where he's coming from about the PS3 as a development platform as it's so different to everything else the development community is use to, learning the architecture is a lot to swallow considering it's not knowledge that can be invested into the future with other platforms. BUT, this is something that comes with the job as there will always be new things to learn as a developer.
Cadillac Ferd 14th August 2009, 17:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
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Originally Posted by cjoyce1980


why??? with the dev kit, they only need to write the code once and can compile two versions.... so it would be silly not to produce a 360 as well

Arguably, that's the problem. As it's easy to dev for both, developers often do, and as the 360 version always sells more, they thus design the game for the console, not the PC.

If they could only design for the PC, we'd have better games!

But then, if I'm following your argument correctly, wouldn't they sell less games? Which would lead to more developers shutting down and thus fewer good games being produced? Why on earth would you want developers to make less money?

As someone who plays games on the PC as well as consoles I don't understand why the hell so many PC gamers are so anti-console. You'd think that fans of gaming would be happy that more people could enjoy good games like HL2, Portal and TF2 but apparently it's a "problem".
themax 14th August 2009, 17:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
ah Disgaea 3, havent tried that one yet, must get hold of a copy. although i suspect that title could just as easily have been released on PS2?

re: multi-platform - i played GTAIV through on the PS3, enjoyed it immensely but to me the graphics were jaggy and the draw distance was crap. then i saw my mate playing it on PC and i was kicking myself, beautiful game on the right system.

So now i buy any single player games on PC to save disappointment on the graphics front (regardless of whether i would consider them a "console title") , and play them with a 360 pad!

Disagaea 3 is definately a fun game. I'de also recommend (although it depends on who you ask) Folklore. I had fun with that game as well.
rollo 14th August 2009, 18:02 Quote
stop developing for consoles valve and give us left for dead 2 already or half life episode 3

diffrence between the consoles

one is quieter one is noisy. Both lack a must have exclusive. That we havent seen before or is already on the pc in a better way. If you have the kit transfer your pc into your hd tv and play some games at native resolutions. Look alot better. Get a 360 joypad and you need not have to listen to the 360 whine at you every 10 seconds
Paradigm Shifter 14th August 2009, 18:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by themax
Disagaea 3 is definately a fun game. I'de also recommend (although it depends on who you ask) Folklore. I had fun with that game as well.

Every time I remember to buy Folklore, it's out of stock. :(

Thanks for reminding me... looking again now. :)
talladega 14th August 2009, 19:27 Quote
you guys have obviously never played socom. it really doesnt get any more hardcore than socom.

for those that possibly have tried it and dont like it, it is sort of understandable. socom has a gigantic learning curve and is NOT for noobs or little kids.

give it a try. since i bought it on release date last year it has only come out of my ps3 a couple times. i dont really bother buying other games now unless they are super amazing because i know i'll just play them for a week or two and then go back to socom.
Saivert 14th August 2009, 19:28 Quote
I don't own any console except Playstation 1. I'm a PC gamer. Also I don't care about the games on the consoles. I rarely play games, and when I do it's Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, Portal and other Source based games/mods. I like that platform a lot. I know what I get. I know the in-game console very well. When I play other games (on PC or console) I feel lost. I just don't get the other types of games. I hate games with a lot of thinking like RPG and RTS. I get enough thinking when I code (I'm a part time programmer). I want a good story with lots of great gameplay added in. Call me a Valve fanboy!

Also sure PS3 has no piracy, maybe that is why it doesn't sell as well as the XBOX360. Sony allowed homebrew (through running Linux legitimately) so that stopped people from bothering with trying to crack the console. If Microsoft had done the same, I guess people would still have not bothered to crack the console. Homebrew beats running pirated copies of games. And people who are in it for piracy are surprisingly not as good crackers as those who are in it for homebrew. Guess karma is real after all.


And to those who say Gabe moans, well screw you. I have no respect for people who rate other people low just because they don't share the same views.
If you love PS3 so much, become a PS3 developer yourself. Put your money where your mouth is. Gabe say he wont do PS3 because he can't do it well enough. Valve has extremely high standards. They will simply not do it if they can't stand behind it 100%. They are angry about the DLC problem on XBOX360 (Microsoft demands charges for XBOX360 DLC, so next L4D DLC will requires a fee but is free for PC gamers), but the games themselves run well.
tron 14th August 2009, 19:51 Quote
I think some people are completely missing the point.

Yes, there are many developers churning out games on the PS3, but that does NOT mean it is easy to do so and that Valve are making excuses.

In the gaming industry, time = money.

A platform which is hard to code for is a system which requires more time or more man-power - which = more effort and more lost money during the development stage. Some developers will simply decide that it's not worth the hassle.
tuaamin13 14th August 2009, 23:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Saivert
Sony allowed homebrew (through running Linux legitimately) so that stopped people from bothering with trying to crack the console. If Microsoft had done the same, I guess people would still have not bothered to crack the console. Homebrew beats running pirated copies of games. And people who are in it for piracy are surprisingly not as good crackers as those who are in it for homebrew. Guess karma is real after all.
Except as soon as you crack the system for Homebrew you crack it for piracy.

The PS3 has the hypervisor in the way, so no GPU acceleration in Linux/homebrew.

"Homebrew beats running pirated copies of the game"
I've got a dorm full of college students willing to disagree with you. They pirate the hyped up games for Xbox. They went in together and bought a stack of DVDs for like $30 (Apparently some brands work better than others) and flashed their DVD drives. I've got a few other friends who have hacked their system for pirated games and still play on Xbox Live (I think that involves chipping, but I don't own a 360 to comment).

I'd argue there's more piracy than homebrew. I could concede that homebrew coders > pirates since the former are bothering to code for the system they're breaking in to.
wafflesomd 15th August 2009, 02:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
Message to Gabe - Quit moaning about a platform you don't like (we get it already!) and sodding finish HL2:EP3....

Does this guy have nothing better to do than moan about a platform they havn't even released a game for?!

They asked him...
chumbucket843 15th August 2009, 03:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
you guys have obviously never played socom. it really doesnt get any more hardcore than socom.

for those that possibly have tried it and dont like it, it is sort of understandable. socom has a gigantic learning curve and is NOT for noobs or little kids.

give it a try. since i bought it on release date last year it has only come out of my ps3 a couple times. i dont really bother buying other games now unless they are super amazing because i know i'll just play them for a week or two and then go back to socom.

if you call waiting an hour to get in a laggy game with a lot of bugs hardcore then all the more power to you.
lewchenko 15th August 2009, 10:32 Quote
erm...

Valve also ignores the Wii, DS, and PSP as well.

They are obviously quite happy developing for the PC and 360. Nothing wrong with that really. Ask him why, and he will give you a fair honest answer... they hate the architecture of the PS3 (and probably the lowly specifications of the Wii/ DS / PSP). Too much effort involved for too little return.

To be honest... if you own a PC it doesnt matter as you will be buying games from Valve to play on the PC anyway most probably. If you dont own a PC, then you are in luck if you got yourself a 360 (to play any valve games) and out of luck is you bought a PS3.

If valve games are so important to you.. go buy a 360 or PC. Plenty of other exclusive games on the PS3 to still make it a worthwhile console.

Its as simple as that.
talladega 15th August 2009, 19:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by chumbucket843
if you call waiting an hour to get in a laggy game with a lot of bugs hardcore then all the more power to you.
waiting an hour? wow thats a long time. If i didn't know how to get in a game in 2 minutes like I do now I would hate the game as well.
freedom810 16th August 2009, 00:27 Quote
Hey its Valves loss, they are missing out on a large portion of the gaming community that has easy potential to make them a lot of cash. (24 million PS3's) Seems like a stupid business move but good for them, ill stick with my PS3 and tell them to hurry up with HL:EP3 :)
Yoy0YO 16th August 2009, 05:05 Quote
I, as an owner of a PS3, hate them. They. Look. Awful. Game selection is rather exclusive and not very friendly. Great games that aren't exclusive to PS3 aren't going to perform better on the PS3 and WTF is up with no USB while its off :(
Aracos 16th August 2009, 15:42 Quote
He really needs to stop complaining, I'm not a PS3 fanboy and usually hate everything sony but to say
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"[The PS3 is] a disaster on many levels ... I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, 'This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it
it's complete balls. Look at the N64! By no means the best of consoles, outshadowed by the ps1 and yet it had a game considered one of the best ever, OoT :)

It does say bad about the console when everyone who defends it for having good games always lists the same games XD
AWowzer 16th August 2009, 16:04 Quote
As a ps3 owner i am really grateful that sony has lots of in house studios and studios that only code for sony like naughty dog and so on because otherwise we would not have any good exclusives like heavy rain and uncharted because no 3rd party would want to code for a platform that has the smallest user base and is hard to code for.

the saving grace for ps3 is that the user base is just sufficient that most 360 games are usually released on ps3. and now developers have got their heads round the awful ps3 architecture, it is optimised enough to look in most game cases as good as the 360.

wish they had gone similar to the 360 route. stuck a decent intel duo core and made it off the shelf architecture. the machine would be cheaper to produce and sell, therefore would sell more, higher user base and easy to code for encourage more 3rd party exclusives.

i'm glad gabe never shuts up about it. when someone as powerful as him does it, others feel safe in joining him.without widestream criticism,sony dont change
talladega 16th August 2009, 17:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by storm20200
He really needs to stop complaining, I'm not a PS3 fanboy and usually hate everything sony but to say it's complete balls. Look at the N64! By no means the best of consoles, outshadowed by the ps1 and yet it had a game considered one of the best ever, OoT :)

It does say bad about the console when everyone who defends it for having good games always lists the same games XD
both the ps3 and 360 only have a handful of games that make the system worth buying.

360 has alot more games obviously but it also has alot more average and sucky games. both the 360 and ps3 have pretty much the same about of 'awesome' games. it does boil down to personal preference obviously because for me there are zero games on the 360 that interest me while there are a quite a few on the ps3 that do. and many people feel the same way I do along with people feeling the exact opposite.

i still say watch out for when the PS3 Slim and a price cut come. The gap between the 360 and PS3 will start to close quickly. In some places it's almost double the price of the 360 yet the 360 is barely outselling it.

if Valve want to rob themselves of a ton of money just because they can't have their way all the time then I really dont care as none of their games interest me anyways. i've never played half life and dont care to.
Aracos 16th August 2009, 19:10 Quote
lool don't say that, the HL fanboys WILL ATTACK! ^_^
Sathy 16th August 2009, 19:46 Quote
I wonder how and why BT seems to have taken a side on covering what Mr. Newell says and doesn't say.

He did apologize for the poor quality of Orange Box in the very same "interview" which is the source of this news. How does that translate to support the topic of Valve HATING the PS3? Why even use such a word as hate, as I'm sure it has nothing to do with something as childish as hating to begin with.

This bit of news has slipped quite far from good journalism in my opinion and is only serving as further reference to the already stupid levels of opinions being boxed (ie. PS3 is the best and Valve can **** off for all I care, their games are **** anyway...etc.).
I've never seen the point in deliberately choosing not to like something without trying something, but I guess I just need to choose to try to think in a box to get it.

Judging from the amount of comments, at least it does that well. Whether or not that is something to be happy about is another matter.

From what I can see, if they choose to not develop games for a console for a reason, be it that it's more difficult to code, or the manufacturer support isn't what they'd wish or what ever, so be it. Why make it into an issue on either side, just live with it.

The rest would be stating the obvious; if you like Valve's games, you know which platforms you can play em on. If you haven't played em...well, that's just too bad.
flapjackboy 17th August 2009, 00:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by AWowzer
wish they had gone similar to the 360 route. stuck a decent intel duo core and made it off the shelf architecture.

Um, the 360 uses a triple core PowerPC architecture chip. The Cell processor in the PS3 is also PowerPC architecture.

EDIT: In fact, the 360's chip cores are based around the main PPE unit from the Cell.
interzen 17th August 2009, 13:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by crompers
well if they dont release some killer apps soon mine is definately going on Ebay. i only ever play SF4 on it anymore, oh and the odd bit of burnout paradise (both of which i could have on PC)

Got shot of mine ages ago ... even managed to turn a profit on it, too :-) (admittedly, I bought it cheap off a mate originally)

Whilst the PS3 didn't suffer from the 'spaghetti publishing' (ie. chuck it at a wall and see what sticks) that blights the 360 with it's endless parade of production-line FPSes etc., the number of games that appealed to me was very small indeed and some of the exclusives were ultimately disappointing (LBP, I'm looking at you ...) and it barely cut it as a Linux box.

I won't go so far as to say that the PS3 is a multi-level disaster, but Sony sure as hell dropped the ball and are too afraid to admit it.
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