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id Software leaves Activision, joins EA

id Software leaves Activision, joins EA

John Carmack announced that id Software had entered new publishing deal with EA.

E3 2008: id Software, the developer credited with pretty much inventing modern 3D graphics as used in computer games and the maker of the Doom, Quake and Dangerous Dave franchises has just signed a new publishing deal with Electronic Arts.

John Carmack himself took to the stage during EA's E3 opening address and announced that id Software had broken away from games publisher Activision, who had previously published many of id's games, and formed a new publishing partnership with EA.

Carmack was keen to stress however that the relationship between EA and id Software is only a publishing deal - the company has not been bought out by EA as BioWare and Pandemic were.

EA is now the official publisher for id's new racer-cum-shooter, Rage - and possibly Doom 4 if the new deal lasts long enough.

"This will give us full access to EA's worldwide marketing muscle without taking away our ability to build games the way it should be done," Carmack explained.

"Rage represents a new direction for our games," id CEO Todd Hollenshead said in a statement. "Rage is a shooter unlike any other, developed on our cutting edge new technology, and built to the exacting standards id is famous for. We're excited to have the support of EA Partners to launch Rage on the world."

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ChaosDefinesOrder 15th July 2008, 11:23 Quote
so... goodbye to the Quake franchise on Steam then?... Then again, how come all but Quake 4 is on there...
Fod 15th July 2008, 11:40 Quote
JC looks like joe.
Carbon_Arc 15th July 2008, 11:47 Quote
I always thought JC would look a bit more menacing.
CardJoe 15th July 2008, 11:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Fod
JC looks like joe.

Nothing like me!
Paradigm Shifter 15th July 2008, 11:56 Quote
I can't help but wonder if this is the first step to iD being bought by EA... :(
lewchenko 15th July 2008, 12:00 Quote
The loss here is that EA and Steam dont play nice together. Shame really, as Steam is x100 better than the EA Online offering.

Also.. Ive read many times that its the publisher who control's funding for patches and the distribution of patches. Looking at EA's track record with games like 2142 and BF2 this doesnt bode well for future patches to ID's games.
My source for the above statement is Supreme Commander for example, which is published by THQ but built by Gas powered Games. Its THQ that decides on the patching and QA of the builds for Supreme Commander, at their cost. (Which is why the game has hardly been patched since Forged Alliance came out.... THQ are tight money grabbing jesters). There is much angst on the forums about THQ's total lack of dedication to the patching of some of their games. Gas Powered Games have said they would love to release more updates to the game, but THQ wont pony up the money, and they arent allowed to go it alone.
CardJoe 15th July 2008, 12:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
I can't help but wonder if this is the first step to iD being bought by EA... :(

I very much doubt that Carmack would sell, tbh.
Paradigm Shifter 15th July 2008, 12:10 Quote
Is Carmack the sole owner of iD?
Bauul 15th July 2008, 12:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
Is Carmack the sole owner of iD?

Not quite, IIRC he shares it with Hollenshead. Either way, id are WAY too proud to ever sell up, and with good reason, they're one of the most famous devs on the planet and they feel it's the publishers who bow to their wishes, not the other way around.
CardJoe 15th July 2008, 12:23 Quote
Harry is convinced that the move to EA comes as part of a commitment to pro gaming circuits, but personally I'm not so sure. I think it's going to be more to do with EA wanting to have a more reputable PC presence and Activision wanting to focus more on Strategy, Sims and MMOs.
BlackMage23 15th July 2008, 12:52 Quote
The EA monster continues to gobble up what it can.
It would be so good if EA just licenced steam from Valve and put thier own frontend on it, that would be so much better, but they are EA and think that they are the best.
Timmy_the_tortoise 15th July 2008, 13:21 Quote
When will EA reach a point where it's EAten up everyone else, at which point it will explode into a billion different companies?

That'll be exciting.
Hamish 15th July 2008, 13:25 Quote
urgh, do not want :\
p3ri0d 15th July 2008, 13:25 Quote
Sometimes EA really sux ballz (porting the PS2 version of FIFA 08 instead of the PS3 or even Xbox 360) but i think we all agree that they make good games, and have a great market worldwide. So i guess that should be a good contract for both EA and id
Mentai 15th July 2008, 13:27 Quote
Activision are still a bigger publisher than EA aren't they? It's interesting to see a company swap sides
Timmy_the_tortoise 15th July 2008, 13:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mentai
Activision are still a bigger publisher than EA aren't they? It's interesting to see a company swap sides

Activision bigger than EA?

Are you sure?
Hg 15th July 2008, 13:55 Quote
this sucks :(
Hamish 15th July 2008, 13:56 Quote
CardJoe 15th July 2008, 13:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hamish
not even close
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts Revenue $4b
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision Revenue $2.9b

That's old, I think. Activision is much bigger. Don't forget that they merged with Blizzard recently...
Hamish 15th July 2008, 14:01 Quote
both from 2008, the activision press release thingy its sourced from has a blizzard logo at the top too :p
M4RTIN 15th July 2008, 14:06 Quote
this doesnt mean no steam tho does it? ea publish half life 2 after all and that is actually made by valve. just because EA are physically publishing id games doesnt mean no downloadsi'd imagine
Rexxie 15th July 2008, 14:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by p3ri0d
Sometimes EA really sux ballz (porting the PS2 version of FIFA 08 instead of the PS3 or even Xbox 360) but i think we all agree that they make good games, and have a great market worldwide. So i guess that should be a good contract for both EA and id

No. The developers make good games. I don't like EA and the way they shoot out game after game on the same franchise (battlefield and the like).
Meh.
I miss the days when there were a large number of publishers available.
sotu1 15th July 2008, 14:27 Quote
if you read masters of doom carmack doesn't take ****, he won't be bullied by EA he does what he wants to do and quite happy to surgically cut people out where necessary. dunno if he's mellowed in the last few years though! carmack is the keystone part of iD. if he goes then iD pretty much sinks with him.

i don't think it'll be an entirely bad thing that iD goes with EA. confused as to why he dropped out with activision in the first place though, they've grown massively and can easily compete with EA. (though i don't think they're nearly as big though) i think EA publishes something like 40% of mainstream games or something silly
Jordan Wise 15th July 2008, 15:11 Quote
There isn't much between activision and ea, dunno who's on top though. By the way, is John Carmack still launching rockets?
Krikkit 15th July 2008, 15:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by M4RTIN
ea publish half life 2 after all and that is actually made by valve.

They've distributed the console versions, they didn't publish the original PC version, nor do they have anything to do with Steam. The original was published by Vivendi, and Valve do Steam all by themselves.
DXR_13KE 15th July 2008, 15:45 Quote
i hope this does not screw id software up.... i like those guys.
Lepermessiah 15th July 2008, 16:09 Quote
Man, Carmack looks like a major dork.

ID haven't made a great game in a decade, yawn. They have fallen big time from near the top of the development tree.
frontline 15th July 2008, 16:32 Quote
hmm, bad news, was looking forward to being able to download any future releases on Steam, as EA's digital download service is a joke.
Timmy_the_tortoise 15th July 2008, 17:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
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Originally Posted by M4RTIN
ea publish half life 2 after all and that is actually made by valve.

They've distributed the console versions, they didn't publish the original PC version, nor do they have anything to do with Steam. The original was published by Vivendi, and Valve do Steam all by themselves.

I thought EA ported and distributed the PS3 version.. Which Valve had almost nothing to do with.
Jordan Wise 15th July 2008, 18:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise


I thought EA ported and distributed the PS3 version.. Which Valve had almost nothing to do with.

thats true, because gabe thinks the ps3 is a waste of time
pendragon 15th July 2008, 18:56 Quote
well, I'm glad ID was not bought by EA at least
Timmy_the_tortoise 15th July 2008, 19:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jordan Wise
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise


I thought EA ported and distributed the PS3 version.. Which Valve had almost nothing to do with.

thats true, because gabe thinks the ps3 is a waste of time

I don't know why he thinks that... It's not much different to the 360 really...
leexgx 16th July 2008, 04:49 Quote
i wish i could of sued EA/dice for brakeing the servers and distroying the player base for Battlefield 2 (every 1.3 patch that comes from EA games seem to brake every thing so bad) the only resone i can think of is that thay wanted peeps to buy BF2142 (thats basicly an mod of BF2 even had the same servercrash as BF2 in beta)

even the PS3 BF badcompany (dice agane) is extra annoying when forming an team as it some times works and even then after the round ends you not 100% likey to end up on the same side, pressing X starts the join game instead of Asking you to confirm (faster to just reboot the PS3 then wait to quit the online game join that you cant stop)
Bauul 16th July 2008, 10:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Man, Carmack looks like a major dork.

ID haven't made a great game in a decade, yawn. They have fallen big time from near the top of the development tree.

Ah come on, id have always been about the engines anyway, and on that respect they're almost single handedly responsbile for driving computer game graphics.

Only re-rendering what needs to be re-rendered, instead of the whole screen? id first.
Texture mapping? id first.
Light mapping? id first.
Moving lights? id first.
Coloured lights? id first.
Formula based curves? id first.
Per-pixel lighting? id first.
Unique texturing? id first.

And that's just off the top of my head.
impar 16th July 2008, 10:55 Quote
Greetings!

There goes another one...:|

With some luck, the current id projects wont be too affected.
TomH 16th July 2008, 13:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Man, Carmack looks like a major dork.
You mean, 'the' dork.

And he sounds like one too. But that's why we love him: he's insanely good at what he does, i.e. refer to Bauul's list.. And then add a decade or two of development firsts.
deltaworld 16th July 2008, 13:30 Quote
I wish iD the best. A similar move happened with Crytek as they were with Ubisoft for Far Cry and then they decided not to renew their contract with them, I rumour heard that they fell out with Ubisoft over something. Now they have moved to EA as well for the release of Crysis. As far as I know, Ubisoft still own the Intellectual property of CryEngine and the franchise Far Cry so they are due to release Far Cry 2 sometime soon.

When Crytek moved to EA they rewrote the engine and named it CryEngine2 funnily enough.

Does this mean that we loose the Doom name Franchise and Quake franchise or do they take the names with them. I can't find any documentation that states this.
p3ri0d 16th July 2008, 14:30 Quote
It'
s just a publisher contract. It means that EA will publish their games, nothing more.
Bauul 16th July 2008, 14:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by deltaworld
Does this mean that we loose the Doom name Franchise and Quake franchise or do they take the names with them. I can't find any documentation that states this.

No no, id own everything they've ever done, people don't seem to realise just how autonomos id actually are. All the publsiher does with id games is stick them in the shops, do some advertising and take a little cut of the profit, that's all.
Lepermessiah 16th July 2008, 19:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by deltaworld
I wish iD the best. A similar move happened with Crytek as they were with Ubisoft for Far Cry and then they decided not to renew their contract with them, I rumour heard that they fell out with Ubisoft over something. Now they have moved to EA as well for the release of Crysis. As far as I know, Ubisoft still own the Intellectual property of CryEngine and the franchise Far Cry so they are due to release Far Cry 2 sometime soon.

When Crytek moved to EA they rewrote the engine and named it CryEngine2 funnily enough.

Does this mean that we loose the Doom name Franchise and Quake franchise or do they take the names with them. I can't find any documentation that states this.

You have no damn clue what you are talking about, it was called cryengine 2 ALWAYS, EA had nothing to do with Crysis other then publishing, just like Valve games and now ID.

Ubi owns Far Cry, not Cryengine. far Cry 2 is not based on the engine from Far Cry either.
azrael- 16th July 2008, 23:49 Quote
Three things on my mind here:

1) id Software has always been strong on the tech and weak on the game play. Their close partner Raven Software, for instance, has always been *much* better at making games "work" gameplay-wise. Or look at what VALVe did with the old Quake2 (I believe) engine. Half-Life got its spot in the sun because of great gameplay.

2) I still remember the EA from old. Way back when they started out in 1982 or so, using the old EOA logo. At that time they still made games themselves. I remember them saying that they aimed at being the biggest games company around. You really can't argue that they seem to have achieved just that. It's just sad that they apparently sacrificed everything decent to get there. It would be nice if they would refocus, but that'll probably never happen since they way they run things makes them money. It may suck for us, but it certainly works for them (and their shareholders).

3) While I have never used the EA download service I'm in contact with STEAM on almost a daily basis. It ususally works OK, but there've definitely been many times when I cursed whoever is/was responsible for STEAM at VALVe. There's nothing quite as moodkilling as getting kicked out of a STEAM-based game due to some weird STEAM error like "invalid user ticket" or an apparent loss of a STEAM connection, to name but two examples.
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