Epic won't make a PS3 UT3 demo

Author: Joe Martin
Published: 28th August 2007
Comments (28) Stumble
No Unreal Tournament 3 demo on the PlayStation 3? I'll show you what I think of that!

No Unreal Tournament 3 demo on the PlayStation 3? I'll show you what I think of that!

Unreal Tournament is a great series, is it not? I spent many, many hours of my first year at University playing the games over and over - jumping around with a flak cannon was an excellent way to avoid going to lectures.

However, good games are hard to make and UT3 is no exception. Even though Epic has got someone else to do all the physics (sorry, Physx), it's still taking a long time to make the game. The plus side of all that hard work is a game which will hopefully pull us all back into multiplayer gaming bliss. The down side is that there won't be a PS3 demo of the game before hand.

Yeah, as a PC gamer I didn't think that new was all that bad either.

Speaking to Eurogamer, Mark Rein, the head honcho of Epic, let slip that there won't be a console demo of the game and managed to show how cool Epic is at the same time.

"What we told Microsoft last year — they wanted a demo for Gears of War and we said 'you've got a choice — you can have the demo this year or the game this year'... We're not a big huge company with the resources to do that, and all the time we're testing that demo we're not testing our full game, which we need to be doing constantly... We'll have a PC demo for UT, [but] I don't think we'll have a PS3 demo before the game ships."

I tell you, that Mark Rein guy is so cool; not only did he tell Microsoft to get lost with all those crazy 'demo' ideas, now he's telling it to Sony too. What a guy!

As Kotaku points out though, it begs the question; if Epic can't manage to churn out one demo level for a game which has been in production as long as UT3, how could it possibly ever handle Unreal Engine developer support for other companies?

If you know the answer, or just want to rub your PC demo in the face of all those PS3 owners then let us know in the forums.
Quote AlexB 28th August 2007, 13:38
well, i've not got time to buy it then.
Quote naokaji 28th August 2007, 13:41
no ps3 demo but a pc demo? sounds rather strange.. especially considering mark's anti pc but pro consoles statements a while back....

anyway.. i'm happy about... i'll always prefer the pc over consoles.
Quote iwog 28th August 2007, 13:43
How about they want the game to be as perfect and bug free as possible so why are we obsessed with demos when they can harm the games development? And to all the PS3 owners, sucks to be you atm, as it sucks to be 360 own with your red ring and us PC owners with lack of new games and expensive constantly updating hardware.

Infact the only owner it doesn't suck to be is a Wii owner unless you're some kinda retard and throw the remote through your TV.....
Quote steveo_mcg 28th August 2007, 13:50
Demo's are a good thing, they let you gauge your interest in a game/does it live to expectations, work out how much your upgrade is going to cost. Although for a game like UT you know what's coming, the engine is every where so you know what hardware to expect. Lets hope that the ps3 loss is the pc gain and we'll get a game that doesn't need a huge patch on release day.
Quote sandys 28th August 2007, 13:57
You don't need a UT3 demo on PS3, theres buggerall else to buy so it will sell anyway, all the PS3 owners hovering around game shops like junkies to a dealer waiting for our next game fix :D
Quote DXR_13KE 28th August 2007, 14:22
this game is going to so f***** rock!!!!! YEAH!!!!!
Quote chrisb2e9 28th August 2007, 14:23
why not just rent the game for a day or two to see if you like it? whats that cost, like 5 dollars or something.
Quote CardJoe 28th August 2007, 14:27
Pay more to rent it? Sod that. Many, many more people would torrent it as thats free.

Sad and true.
Quote Joeymac 28th August 2007, 16:05
Why is a demo so complicated? Anyone know? Surely it's just the same as loading a level off a disc except the files are in a download and on the hard drive.... What specifically needs testing, that doesn't need to be tested for the full game anyway. A PC demo might be more complex as separate installers and Physx drivers and whatever are needed.. but a console game doesn't need that.
Quote Bursar 28th August 2007, 16:08
A demo still requires that you download the underlying engine that the game runs on. If that's not sorted, then the demo will be buggy and broken. I can't blame Epic for not wanting to release a demo. If they bodge it all together to get a demo out of the door, they have to then unbodge it, correctly fix the engine, and then ship the finished game late.

Franchises like UT and Doom tend to sell regardless, so I don't think a demo coming out a month or two after the game ships is really going to hurt sales all that much.
Quote thecrownles 28th August 2007, 16:19
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Originally Posted by iwog
How about they want the game to be as perfect and bug free as possible so why are we obsessed with demos when they can harm the games development? And to all the PS3 owners, sucks to be you atm, as it sucks to be 360 own with your red ring and us PC owners with lack of new games and expensive constantly updating hardware.

Infact the only owner it doesn't suck to be is a Wii owner unless you're some kinda retard and throw the remote through your TV.....

I LOLed :)
Quote sandys 28th August 2007, 16:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joeymac
Why is a demo so complicated? Anyone know? Surely it's just the same as loading a level off a disc except the files are in a download and on the hard drive.... What specifically needs testing, that doesn't need to be tested for the full game anyway. A PC demo might be more complex as separate installers and Physx drivers and whatever are needed.. but a console game doesn't need that.

many things, you have to create the demo from unfinished code, but still have to provide a working game thats not going to put people off, the final game might still be awaiting quite a few optimizations and somethings like AI might not yet be nailed down, also rather than supply gigabytes of data you want to make sure the package is as lean as possible, using only the needed textures, levels and other game data, this requires people to sort this out, then it needs testing and validation, this all takes time and people to do.

A demo is not simple on any platform.
Quote Bauul 28th August 2007, 16:49
Did anyone buy UT2003? I bet it must have stung when UT2004 came out. I always thought it was mean of Epic to release essentually half a game, and then release the full version a year later. Probably hurt their sale somewhat.

I wonder if they'll include all the old UT2004 levels with the new UT as well? Requring... 12 CDs to install. :)
Quote Delphium 28th August 2007, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Bauul
Did anyone buy UT2003? I bet it must have stung when UT2004 came out.

*puts his hand up :(

BUT... if you purchased the UT2003, then you could purchase the UT2004 at a discounted price, I think it was by sending off some form and getting a voucher in return ??? I forget exactly, but I recall I was pissed I could have done so, after purchasing UT2004
Quote devdevil85 28th August 2007, 17:26
I don't need a demo to sell me on UT3....but it would be nice to wet my whistle if you know what I mean....but I'm willing to wait especially if it means it debuting earlier and hopefully with less bugs/patches.....
Quote Manny151 28th August 2007, 17:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
Did anyone buy UT2003? I bet it must have stung when UT2004 came out. I always thought it was mean of Epic to release essentually half a game, and then release the full version a year later. Probably hurt their sale somewhat.

I wonder if they'll include all the old UT2004 levels with the new UT as well? Requring... 12 CDs to install. :)

With Blu-Ray they could probably fit it all on one disc. But nooooo people kept saying "There's no need for Blu-Ray on a console, they're just trying force their format on you, games fit just fine on a DVD9" yeah right DVD9 is already showing its age and its only gonna get worse. As far as the demo goes I don't care all that much, I'm sure the game is gonna be great regardless. I would've liked a demo but like I said, it wont put me off from picking up the game as soon as it comes out. One more great game for my PS3 collection. lol;)
Quote completemadness 28th August 2007, 17:46
i got UT2003, played that a lot, then 2k4 came out, and i got that too

i was a bit pissed i couldn't get it cheaper because I'm in the UK, bloody epic
But UT2k4 was still an awesome game, and I'm eagerly awaiting UT3 - demo or not :D
Quote D3s3rt_F0x 28th August 2007, 20:53
I'd rather have a game thats ready over a game thats had to be put back because they were forced to make a demo.
Quote kempez 28th August 2007, 20:58
Is the PS3 version going to utilise a keyboard and mouse?

If not it's barely worth getting out of the PC chair to think about buying
Quote mikeuk2004 28th August 2007, 21:00
http://www.baldwinsnet.com/pictures/dam.gif

I dont have a PS3 :)
Quote devdevil85 28th August 2007, 22:09
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Originally Posted by kempez
Is the PS3 version going to utilise a keyboard and mouse?
Good question! If you can play with the PC guys then that would be awesome....because they spent how much for their rig vs. how much you spent on your PS3....it would play the same in Multiplayer right? Idk about Campaign Mode though since it was probably developed with the sole intention of being played ONLY on the controller and not M+K....hopefully I'm wrong, but from what I've heard from Joe Martin it's probably smart to assume so..........
Quote Morphine-Kitty 28th August 2007, 22:45
Frankly, I don't care about the lack of a demo. I've never played them that much, and if you have a console you might as well spent the 5-10 dollars to rent it for a week to test it out.

In my opinion, reading about the game is usually enough to garner the interest in me to check it out. I usually don't even have these "Xbox Live/PSN/WiiConnect" set up anyways.

Just release the game earlier I say. People can wait!
Quote sandys 28th August 2007, 22:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by kempez
Is the PS3 version going to utilise a keyboard and mouse?

If not it's barely worth getting out of the PC chair to think about buying

Yes it does, cross platform play has not been comfirmed though.
Quote Xen0phobiak 29th August 2007, 10:54
/me rubs it in PS3 owners faces :D.
Quote Kobalt 3rd October 2007, 14:38
Well you PS3 players will still have a nice game anyways,this vid was on a Ps3 station and it's already made. They're working the tweaks on the PC version right now and they will come out together
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24281.html

Btw, PC players only have a demo cause it's downloadable and it's what the programmers use to make the game and they use the demo release to tweak further the game bugs once 300.000 peoples send them in when encountered
Quote completemadness 5th October 2007, 00:25
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Thanks - id rather not watch it then install QT
Quote Kobalt 10th October 2007, 16:38
Suit yourself but the best vids of UT3 are on Game trailer.com (GT) and they're all like this one
Quote themax 10th October 2007, 17:44
Cross-Platform support has already been dropped for the PS3 features. Just too complicated to get working. Keyboard and mouse support is still a go though. Ok so we don't get a PS3 demo...does that mean we are barred from playing the PC Demo or something? People seem to interpret this is as PS3 owners not getting to play it at all. The PC and PS3 version should, for the most be the same game. If the crowd likes the PC Demo alot, then that should echo for the PS3 version, and later 360 versions being worth a buy as well should it not?
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