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Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

The new Mac Pro is a stunningly minimalistic piece of engineering.

Apple has teased a stunning new cylindrical redesign of its Mac Pro range that is just 9in tall and has a 6in diameter.

The new model also comes with dual-graphics cards as standard, uses exclusively flash memory and uses a unified central cooling system with a single top mounted fan.

Although Apple called the announcement a teaser, the company has actually revealed everything but the price and exact launch date of the new system stating only that it will be available later this year - expect the price to be very high: in the region of £2000.

The system's design centres around a triangular aluminium heatsink onto which are bottled the two graphics cards as well as the CPU. Through this heatsink is drawn air, sucked up by the intriguing looking top-mounted fan. This fan uses backward-curved impeller-style blades, relying on negative pressure to draw cold air into the system.

As well as two AMD FirePro GPUs with up to 6GB of dedicated VRAM the new Mac Pro will use Intel Xeon CPUs with "up to 12 cores of processing power, up to 40GB/s of PCI Express gen 3 bandwidth, and 256-bit-wide floating-point instructions"

Storage is provided by a single mSATA flash drive wedged in behind one of the graphics card, while up to 4 conventional DIMM-sized memory sticks can be added.

In terms of expansion, there are a plethora of Thunderbolt ports and four USB 3.0, as well as an HDMI output.

Intriguingly, Apple also revealed that the whole system will be assembled in the USA, using facilities in "Texas, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, and over a dozen other states across America"

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

Apple teases new Mac Pro, with stunning new design

The Mac Pro is about as much the antithesis of an enthusiast/tinkerers ideal PC as you can possibly imagine but equally it looks to incorporate some innovative ideas, and that it can be only 9x6in is quite incredible. Anyone tempted?

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Nexxo 10th June 2013, 21:41 Quote
Stunningly beautiful, but an upgrade nightmare.
./^\.Ace./^\. 10th June 2013, 21:54 Quote
One 12 core CPU and Two GPUs sharing one aluminum heat sink, sounds like a cooling could be a problem I wonder if they had to under clock any of the components.
FullThrottleRic 10th June 2013, 22:58 Quote
Looks awful to me.
I like the idea of a single fan cooling a vertically aligned heatsink (efficient), but they've crammed it in too tightly for the sake of it - it just looks stupid.

I've found a perfect modding candidate if anyone wants to make a KIRF before the actual Mac Pro is released :p
http://www.seton.co.uk/fireproof-waste-paper-bins-nonsignmc437.html
RedFlames 10th June 2013, 23:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by ./^\.Ace./^\.
One 12 core CPU and Two GPUs sharing one aluminum heat sink, sounds like a cooling could be a problem I wonder if they had to under clock any of the components.

Don;t forget the PSU is crammed in there too...

As i've said elsewhere... it's an impressive technical achievement... but i don't like the look of it...
Cheapskate 10th June 2013, 23:39 Quote
"Apple tech support, how can I help you?" "Yes, my Mac keeps rolling off the desk..."

It's a neat design, but how many people would put their cigarette out in one in a day? -Some because they don't know it's a Mac, and some because they do. I can see chewing gum buildup being a problem too.
jrs77 11th June 2013, 00:06 Quote
Totally awesome desing imho. As I'm playing less and less games anyways and only do graphics and music I'm really tempted by this one running only OSX.

The triangle-cooler won't have any problems cooling two GPUs and the CPU, as it's a massive piece of aluminum actually (135mm wide on the longer side) with a 200mm fan sucking air through the fins.
And I'm quiet sure they tested this cooling-solution quiet extensively.
Yslen 11th June 2013, 00:20 Quote
Interesting, certainly, but I personally don't think it looks nice. The old Mac Pro was a very attractive beast.
Pliqu3011 11th June 2013, 00:39 Quote
Interesting heatsink…Would really like to see some temperatures.
Sub-particle 0.76 11th June 2013, 04:45 Quote
Yes... the rolling off the floor problem - it won't exist if the user actually have some cables attached to it.

I'm pretty sure they tested the heat dissipation right to the single degree but interesting thing for me is the PCIe-based flash with external Thunderbolt 2 storage and 3x 4K monitor. I'm in the wrong job (and pay scale)!
r3loaded 11th June 2013, 06:54 Quote
Complete overkill for my needs but I want one lol. However "made in the USA" won't come cheap.

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barny2767 11th June 2013, 07:49 Quote
Looks like a big black coke can to me. I think I have a 10inch tall coke can money box somewhere that just needs spraying black.
Phil Rhodes 11th June 2013, 09:58 Quote
Surely this defeats the object of a Mac Pro, inasmuch as you'd want to use it for "pro" work requiring things like extra hard disk space. I mean, upgrading the old Mac Pro was absurdly inconvenient, with space for only four more disks in that massive case, but this is just... silly.

Yes, yes, I know, thunderbolt solves everything - but it's only the equivalent of a single PCIe lane, so no, actually, it really doesn't, certainly not for high-end work.

Decision not to go Apple for desktops is confirmed again, I fear.
ModSquid 11th June 2013, 10:09 Quote
I'm sorry. I really tried to give them the benefit of the marketing doubt, but I can't see where they get their figures from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates
GuilleAcoustic 11th June 2013, 10:11 Quote
Does it sharpen your penceils too ?

http://www.oppictures.com/singleimages/400/34032.JPG

I see several design issues there :

- Cleaning issue :
Dust is going to accumulate between boards and the heatsink. Retimming is going to be a nightmare.

- Upgradability :
Everything is proprietary, even the SSD form factor (same as macbook air)

The SSD connector is on ont of the a GPUs board ? So everything is really proprietary

No expexnsion slot, every single hardware has to be external (aquisition, sound, etc..)

- No HDD bay :
3D artists are going to have storage issues. Textures and rendering are rarely made in compressed format ... gonna have some performance issue with storage if you have to save over the USB or ethernet while rendering 3D animation (all frames are generaly rendered in TGA and then assembled in softwares like premiere) ... the SSD gonna be light for that purpose.

Musician aren't going to work in MP3's, same issue there, phototgraphs too.


At least, RAM is not soldered onto the mainboard, I've had a hard time finding the ram sticks in the pictures.

This is anice piece of engineering, but the lack of upgradability (all being proprietary and no expansion slot), as well as the lack of at least 2x 2.5" HDD in RAID are major issue to me.
Guinevere 11th June 2013, 10:44 Quote
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Storage is provided by a single mSATA flash drive

Are you sure?

Apple say:
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Most flash storage systems connect via SATA buses designed for slower spinning hard drives. But we designed the new Mac Pro around new PCI Express-based flash controller technology to deliver the fastest solid-state drives available
Guinevere 11th June 2013, 10:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
lack of upgradability (all being proprietary and no expansion slot), as well as the lack of at least 2x 2.5" HDD in RAID are major issue to me.

Why want dual 2.5" drives when a larger SSD will perform the same benefit? Just cost?

You're right there isn't an expansion slots, they're going with four thunderbolt 2 ports to allow devices to be used externally. It's different rather than a major problem.
Bindibadgi 11th June 2013, 10:49 Quote
NGFF can either use the SATA bus or SATA Express bus. It has a maximum bandwidth of PCIe 4x.

All HDD mass storage will be via Thunderbolt 2. You'll only store the essential items on the Mac itself.

Plus you can buy one of our 4K displays to connect to it. Thanks for pointing out it's 4K ready, Apple B)

Not sure what they are doing for sound. I suppose they expect most people will use a DAC (does it still have Firewire?)

It's an Apple - no one who buys this is concerned about temperatures or future upgrades or re-timming/de-dusting. They just want it to work, be quiet, look pretty and for the Apple store to clean it for them. If you want to upgrade your workstation, I know a company who makes motherboards ;)
Mister_Tad 11th June 2013, 11:11 Quote
The look doesn't do it for me, personally. From a technical point of view cramming that much in to a small package is impressive, but would have been even more-so if it wasn't all proprietary.

I will be more impressed if they can keep it quiet under load, all the more important as it's clearly (over)designed to be a display piece.

The whole minimalistic look isn't going to work when there's a few external HDDs and a sound interface or other peripherals sat next to it on the desk though.
GuilleAcoustic 11th June 2013, 11:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Why want dual 2.5" drives when a larger SSD will perform the same benefit? Just cost?

Yup, price of a 1TB SSD .... only for storage (rendered images, per instrument audio tracks, etc.)
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
You're right there isn't an expansion slots, they're going with four thunderbolt 2 ports to allow devices to be used externally. It's different rather than a major problem.
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
All HDD mass storage will be via Thunderbolt 2. You'll only store the essential items on the Mac itself.

So .... they made a "design case", with no expansion or mass storage capability, that will need a cluster of peripheral connected to it, pretty fuggly. They are moving from the "Octocore MacPro" to the "Octopus Macpro" (with it's 8 arms).
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Not sure what they are doing for sound. I suppose they expect most people will use a DAC (does it still have Firewire?)

Musician mostly uses internal sound aquisition cards (Lynx, RME, Focusrite, etc.) .... or Firewire ones.
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
It's an Apple - no one who buys this is concerned about temperatures or future upgrades or re-timming/de-dusting. They just want it to work, be quiet, look pretty and for the Apple store to clean it for them. If you want to upgrade your workstation, I know a company who makes motherboards ;)

I agree on this point. But if I was Apple, since they seam pretty proud of there triangular heatsink, I'd have made the whole case triangular like a kind of pyramid.
jinq-sea 11th June 2013, 11:49 Quote
As mentioned by GulleAcoustic, my main question as a music producer is "Where the hell will my Pro Tools HD cards go?"

Nice work, Apple. I knew this was going to happen.

BUT - it's a lovely piece of design engineering, and probably a very lovely machine all in. Problem is, it no longer does what I want!
GuilleAcoustic 11th June 2013, 12:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by jinq-sea
As mentioned by GulleAcoustic, my main question as a music producer is "Where the hell will my Pro Tools HD cards go?"

Nice work, Apple. I knew this was going to happen.

BUT - it's a lovely piece of design engineering, and probably a very lovely machine all in. Problem is, it no longer does what I want!

Yup, and you'll have to buy a thunderbolt external drive that supports RAID ... because I do not see any serious professionnal working directly on a single SSD (or HDD). I wouldn't like a failing drive to force me to redo a recording session or any creative work --> 500€ for 2x 2TB (so 2TB in mirroring setup ... pretty expensive)

IMHO, works file MUST be stored directly on a RAID storage that permits for the lose of at least 1 drive ...
r3loaded 11th June 2013, 13:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Plus you can buy one of our 4K displays to connect to it. Thanks for pointing out it's 4K ready, Apple B)
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
If you want to upgrade your workstation, I know a company who makes motherboards ;)
Not one to miss an opportunity, are you? :D
StoneyMahoney 11th June 2013, 13:55 Quote
Storage seems like an issue for smaller companies and one-man bands due to the cost of buying external units over internal drives. RAIDs that run over GbE or Thunderbolt are available at prices to suit small companies, larger companies (like mine) can use Windows servers with AFP compatibility middleware and whatever back-end storage is appropriate.

As long as RAM upgrades are easy, I'll be happy - nothing else in any of the Mac Pros or iMacs on the studio floor warrants an upgrade, ever (except perhaps SSDs)
jinq-sea 11th June 2013, 13:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Yup, and you'll have to buy a thunderbolt external drive that supports RAID ... because I do not see any serious professionnal working directly on a single SSD (or HDD). I wouldn't like a failing drive to force me to redo a recording session or any creative work --> 500€ for 2x 2TB (so 2TB in mirroring setup ... pretty expensive)

IMHO, works file MUST be stored directly on a RAID storage that permits for the lose of at least 1 drive ...

That too. Oh great. Used Mac Pro ahoy...
./^\.Ace./^\. 11th June 2013, 17:53 Quote
Next thing is they said it will have a 12 core CPU, but in there pictures they only show one processor bracket so Intel's biggest CPU is Xeon E7 with 10 cores. Ether Intel is set to release a 12 core Xeon or apple is using funny numbers and it is only a 6 core with 12 threads. As I don't see them fitting 2 CPUs in that thing.
jrs77 11th June 2013, 19:12 Quote
I've seen some more pictures on other sites of this thing and I'm really tempted, as I can set it off my taxes anyways :p

There's six Thunderbolt-ports on the back in addition to six USB 3.0 ports, two GBitE ports and a single HDMI 1.4.

For the HDDs... A SATA3 HDD via Thunderbolt manages ~200MB/s and is basically just as fast as it was connected directly to a SATA3-port. Thunderbolt-NAS' are not really cheap I know, but they're coming down in prices aswell.
Western Digital offers a 2x2TB Thunderbolt-NAS for $450 for example.
Cei 11th June 2013, 19:29 Quote
I think this is an attempt by Apple to kick Thunderbolt adoption up a notch. The video industry currently relies on PCIe capture cards - but if they can force a move to Thunderbolt, Apple gains compatibility with both the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro for high end equipment - exactly in the fashion of the music industry moving to Firewire.

In addition, selling the Mac Pro with only Thunderbolt for mass storage is going to ensure a greater number of drives, rather than just the hugely expensive Promise solutions. WD, Seagate etc are all going to have to step up a gear.
Pliqu3011 11th June 2013, 19:39 Quote
GuilleAcoustic 11th June 2013, 20:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
There's six Thunderbolt-ports on the back in addition to six USB 3.0 ports, two GBitE ports and a single HDMI 1.4.

For the HDDs... A SATA3 HDD via Thunderbolt manages ~200MB/s and is basically just as fast as it was connected directly to a SATA3-port. Thunderbolt-NAS' are not really cheap I know, but they're coming down in prices aswell.
Western Digital offers a 2x2TB Thunderbolt-NAS for $450 for example.

Only 4 USB 3.0 ... and since it has only 1 HDMI, then you have to sacrifice TB connector to plug multi monitors setup.

I'm not keen about the no HDD bay. Having a slik minimalistic design has no meaning if it is mantatory to have external storage.
Harlequin 11th June 2013, 20:13 Quote
you mean you don't use a NAS or a file server to save your work and rely on a box plugged into the usb slot? we have a NAS in my house - laptops + pcs+ tablets +phones (and the odd console) all access it
jrs77 11th June 2013, 20:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
you mean you don't use a NAS or a file server to save your work and rely on a box plugged into the usb slot? we have a NAS in my house - laptops + pcs+ tablets +phones (and the odd console) all access it

Exactly. Alot of people use a NAS anyways, as they have multiple machines accessing it, and it's safer for data aswell when paired with a UPS.
leslie 11th June 2013, 22:23 Quote
Internally, it's gorgeous from an engineering standpoint. Outside, not so much, as Pliqu3011 said, it looks like an urn. Why not, aluminum, carbon fiber, a nice fabric... Something other than just black.


To those who say cooling will be problematic, I used a similar approach to my mini cube file server (which was based on the Mac Cube) and it works quite well actually. A normal case, you need lots of fans for coverage because much of it is completely wasted flowing through empty space. In this case and my mini, air goes right where it needs to go and not towards empty space. As for dust, everything is oriented vertically, there is very little for it to sit on. So long as you don't smoke around it and coat everything with sticky tar, it will work perfect for a very long time.
Nexxo 11th June 2013, 22:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by digitaldunc
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3R9eAdn9Qaw/TQEFlMd4G1I/AAAAAAAACXA/OV9QF26viO4/s1600/sunmoon-2001-obelisk.jpg

First thing I thought when I saw the pic.

You and me both...
Shirty 11th June 2013, 22:32 Quote
What the hell, it's in the other thread so why not here as well...
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http://i.imgur.com/efeaewy.png
XXAOSICXX 12th June 2013, 03:03 Quote
Once again Apple s**ts all over business and education and focuses only on the consumer.

This is going to be a nightmare for security (of the machine itself) and of what will be the numerous A/V peripherals which will all be sat on the desk with it, asking to be disconnected and removed, instead of being securely locked away inside a big aluminium box.

What exactly IS the point of having a "beautiful" (which I personally don't think it is) small form factor computer is you then have to have half a dozen cables trailing out from it to the various devices you're using it with (and please don't say "bluetooth" is the answer...you can't run Pro Tools over BT, or render motion graphics with it).
GuilleAcoustic 12th June 2013, 08:28 Quote
Cooling will be problematic. The Mac pro will house 2 firepro, rated at 294W per unit for the desktop ones. Add the 12 core Ivy-Bridge E .... This is going to end around 700W. I guess they will reduce the fequencies, but I don't see anywhere below 500W. This is the case I think since a single W9000 has a 4TFlops FP32 capabilities. Here, the 2 GPUs are capables of 7TFlops (i/o 8), which is a 12.5% reduction.

About the price, a single W9000 cost 3500€ and the cpu will be easily over 2000€ as the current 8-cores xeon retales at 1100€ (for 8x 2.0GHz / 95W) and 1800€ (8x 3.1GHz / 150W). Add the SSD and the ECC ram ..... Estimated final price, with the Apple special premium : 10k€ .... And you'll still have to add the TB mass storage, a TB pcie chassis to use expansion cards ...

At the era where we are trying to get rid of cables, even internal cables are hidden, Apple is bringing cables back. It is easy to build a small case if you externalize everything.
jrs77 12th June 2013, 18:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Cooling will be problematic. The Mac pro will house 2 firepro, rated at 294W per unit for the desktop ones. Add the 12 core Ivy-Bridge E .... This is going to end around 700W. I guess they will reduce the fequencies, but I don't see anywhere below 500W. This is the case I think since a single W9000 has a 4TFlops FP32 capabilities. Here, the 2 GPUs are capables of 7TFlops (i/o 8), which is a 12.5% reduction.

About the price, a single W9000 cost 3500€ and the cpu will be easily over 2000€ as the current 8-cores xeon retales at 1100€ (for 8x 2.0GHz / 95W) and 1800€ (8x 3.1GHz / 150W). Add the SSD and the ECC ram ..... Estimated final price, with the Apple special premium : 10k€ .... And you'll still have to add the TB mass storage, a TB pcie chassis to use expansion cards ...

At the era where we are trying to get rid of cables, even internal cables are hidden, Apple is bringing cables back. It is easy to build a small case if you externalize everything.

Sorry Guille, but I'm designing my cases exactly the same way. Optical drives and mass-storage have no place in my PCs. In my Define Mini for example there's no optical and no 3.5" HDDs allthough there's room for them, just a SSD and a 2.5"@7200RPM, both installed in the upper 5.1/4" bay so that no HDD-cages restrict airflow.

For my next hardware (the successor to Haswell) I'll simply install these two 2.5"-drives on the back of the mITX-board-tray and I'll most likely opt for a halfheight GPU like a 7750 if any GPU at all. Sound is best by using USB anyways instead of onboard or PCIe, and mass-storage for videos and stuff (i.e. the files you're not currently working with) is done with a NAS.

Two 20x20x20cm cubes is all that's needed really. One for the PC and the other for the ODD/HDDs, connected via a single Thunderbolt-cable. That's only one additional short cable not messing up anything.

And like said allready, they sure have tested the cooling to great extend before announcing this piece of hardware.
./^\.Ace./^\. 12th June 2013, 18:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
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Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Cooling will be problematic. The Mac pro will house 2 firepro, rated at 294W per unit for the desktop ones. Add the 12 core Ivy-Bridge E .... This is going to end around 700W. I guess they will reduce the fequencies, but I don't see anywhere below 500W. This is the case I think since a single W9000 has a 4TFlops FP32 capabilities. Here, the 2 GPUs are capables of 7TFlops (i/o 8), which is a 12.5% reduction.

About the price, a single W9000 cost 3500€ and the cpu will be easily over 2000€ as the current 8-cores xeon retales at 1100€ (for 8x 2.0GHz / 95W) and 1800€ (8x 3.1GHz / 150W). Add the SSD and the ECC ram ..... Estimated final price, with the Apple special premium : 10k€ .... And you'll still have to add the TB mass storage, a TB pcie chassis to use expansion cards ...

At the era where we are trying to get rid of cables, even internal cables are hidden, Apple is bringing cables back. It is easy to build a small case if you externalize everything.

Sorry Guille, but I'm designing my cases exactly the same way. Optical drives and mass-storage have no place in my PCs. In my Define Mini for example there's no optical and no 3.5" HDDs allthough there's room for them, just a SSD and a 2.5"@7200RPM, both installed in the upper 5.1/4" bay so that no HDD-cages restrict airflow.

For my next hardware (the successor to Haswell) I'll simply install these two 2.5"-drives on the back of the mITX-board-tray and I'll most likely opt for a halfheight GPU like a 7750 if any GPU at all. Sound is best by using USB anyways instead of onboard or PCIe, and mass-storage for videos and stuff (i.e. the files you're not currently working with) is done with a NAS.

Two 20x20x20cm cubes is all that's needed really. One for the PC and the other for the ODD/HDDs, connected via a single Thunderbolt-cable. That's only one additional short cable not messing up anything.

And like said allready, they sure have tested the cooling to great extend before announcing this piece of hardware.

No Optical drive and no HDD and no expansion are fine for a mini computer, but the make pro isn't suppose to be a mini computer, the Mac Mini is, the Mac Pro is suppose to be that big power hose that is able to handle any thing you through at it all in one case, neat and tidy.

Now it is a tin can asking you to plug every thing in and mess up your desk and buy a new one then a slightly better version comes out in 6 months.

Apple's design teem has lost there minds here.
Harlequin 12th June 2013, 18:48 Quote
no its great - why have a bulky HDD - when you can have one either as a NAS or on thunderbolt??
GuilleAcoustic 12th June 2013, 19:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
Sorry Guille, but I'm designing my cases exactly the same way. Optical drives and mass-storage have no place in my PCs. In my Define Mini for example there's no optical and no 3.5" HDDs allthough there's room for them, just a SSD and a 2.5"@7200RPM, both installed in the upper 5.1/4" bay so that no HDD-cages restrict airflow.

For my next hardware (the successor to Haswell) I'll simply install these two 2.5"-drives on the back of the mITX-board-tray and I'll most likely opt for a halfheight GPU like a 7750 if any GPU at all. Sound is best by using USB anyways instead of onboard or PCIe, and mass-storage for videos and stuff (i.e. the files you're not currently working with) is done with a NAS.

Two 20x20x20cm cubes is all that's needed really. One for the PC and the other for the ODD/HDDs, connected via a single Thunderbolt-cable. That's only one additional short cable not messing up anything.

And like said allready, they sure have tested the cooling to great extend before announcing this piece of hardware.

I know your designs and I trully love them. To be honest, my next build is going to be based on thin-ITX (mSATA / NGFF SSD, no GPU, no PSU, no ODD, no HDD) ... but this is not aimed to be a CAD / Audio workstation. I do run audio through USB DAC too :D

I don't know if you remember my first deisng ? This was a huge vertical monolithic workstation :

http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2011/02/08/phobya-design-a-case-competition/3

Now, I'm fed up with games (except a lil minecraft here and there). I do not want a huge computer, sucking tones of watts from the wall plug. When I see Haswell IGP, it's is more than enough, even for playing with some 3D modeling (made complexe 3D animations on a AMD Xp 2000 with 512MB of RAM and a 64MB geforce4 lol). I hope we'll see some thin-ITX mobos using LGA1150 socket.
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
no its great - why have a bulky HDD - when you can have one either as a NAS or on thunderbolt??

What I do not like about this mac pro is the lack of expansion (or you'll have to buy a Thunderbolt --> PCIe chassis, thus ruining the fact of having a design and compact power house.

Audio producer often uses sound cards that costs several thousands of euros ... what are they going to use ?

About CAD, I do love Firepros but what if you need Cuda ? What if your CAD soft runs far better with Quadro than with Firepros ?

Seriously ? A single W9000 has 8x DP, so two of them should give you 16x DP ... where are they ? Where did the 3D Stereoscopic connector go ? What if you need a world clock ? Sync cards ?

The answer is : Buy a thunderbolt to pcie chassis ... pretty expensive and undesign solution.
jrs77 13th June 2013, 01:38 Quote
Most of the modern audio-interfaces (Synthesizers, Mixers, Pads, whatever) run on USB, so noone really needs an internal soundcard anymore. Soundcards are a relict these days as USB delivers the same soundquality and low latencies.

And for the rest... When was the last time you've seen someone with a MacPro, who actually opened the case? And when was the last time you saw software for MacOSX that wasn't 100% compatible with a run-of-the-mill MacPro?

If Apple decides to go 100% intel-CPU + AMD-GPUs, without being able to change these parts then you can be assured that all software released for MacOSX will run on this machine without problems. That's atleast my experience with Apple while I was working in an agency for several years before I decided to go freelance.

People who usually buy an Apple-product don't want to bother with the hardware, but expect these machines to work as they are sold, just like a laptop/notebook would.

EDIT: And btw... allthough I'm building Wintel-machines for allmost two decades now, I've never done any upgrades to my initial builds, but buy a new rig instead when something doesn't work anmore the way I want. Upgradebility is the last thing I care about really, aslong as the rig does what I want it to for two or three years, before I buy a new rig anyways.
I'd actually buy a Dell or HP rig, if it wasn't for their pitiful cases and cooling, as they offer me 24/7 service-packages, just like Apple. For a professional that's what you want actually, 24/7-service-plans and in Apples case I can go to the next Apple-store around the corner to get this service.
Elton 13th June 2013, 05:29 Quote
In all fairness, the only drawback is the non removable graphics card and the fact this thing might look like a canister bomb.

Th software shoujld be pretty fit for it and there's enough thunderbolt to not worry about storage (even if you did, it's speed is quick enough to not worry about slow write times).

In other words, as long as they allow you to magically swap out the cards (say a modified MXM) format. This is a winner.
AmEv 13th June 2013, 19:21 Quote
TBH, I saw it, and said "meh".

I'm actually one of the few that kinda find (newer) Macs to be... ugly's on the harsh side...

Still, someone show me temps of this thing.
AmEv 13th June 2013, 19:22 Quote
TBH, I saw it, and said "meh".

I'm actually one of the few that kinda find (newer) Macs to be... ugly's on the harsh side...

Still, someone show me temps of this thing.
XXAOSICXX 14th June 2013, 01:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by jrs77
Most of the modern audio-interfaces (Synthesizers, Mixers, Pads, whatever) run on USB, so noone really needs an internal soundcard anymore. Soundcards are a relict these days as USB delivers the same soundquality and low latencies..

For the consumer market, sure...not for the Pro market (which, you might say - given the name of the Mac PRO - is who the device is aimed at).
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