Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan listing leaks
The GeForce GTX Titan, as-yet unconfirmed by Nvidia but rumoured for a launch later this month, appears to be based on the company's Tesla K20 accelerator board.
Claims that Nvidia is looking to win back the performance crown with a new single-GPU graphics card based on the same GK110 graphics processing unit as the Tesla K20 accelerator board have been circulating for weeks, but with little beyond bare rumour we've been loath to comment. A listing for an Asus-manufactured GeForce GTX Titan board on Danish retailer Proshop's website suggests that the rumours are true, however, so it's time to take stock.
While the original product listing, likely sent live in error, has since been removed, VideoCardz.com has captured a screengrab which offers tantalising details: the device is claimed to include 6GB of GDDR5 memory with a single GK110-based Kepler GPU, two DVI connections, one HDMI connection and one DisplayPort connection all packed onto a PCI Express 3.0 x16 bus.
If 6GB and a single GK110 sound familiar, that's because Nvidia's existing Tesla K20X board, a GPU-based accelerator board for high-performance computing, has almost the same specification - but lacks the GeForce GTX Titan's graphics outputs. If so, that provides a hint as to the remainder of the specifications: a K20 board features a 384-bit memory bus made of up six 64-bit controllers running in parallel and 15 Streaming Multiprocessor (SMX) units with 192 CUDA cores each for a total of 2,880 processing cores.
The GeForce GTX Titan, however, is unlikely to reach these heady heights: comments made at the unveiling of the GK110 by Nvidia boss Jen-Hsun Huang suggested the company would look at using chips that didn't pass muster for its Tesla products in lower-grade devices - meaning it's perfectly possible that the GeForce GTX Titan is made from edge-case GK110 chips with faulty or marginal SMX units disabled.
Accordingly, rumours suggest that the GeForce GTX Titan will feature 14 activated SMX units to the Tesla K20X's 15, for a total of 2,688 CUDA cores. That's still an impressive figure: the company's current flagship GeForce GTX 690 design packs more at 3,072 cores, but these are split between two GPUs with 1,536 CUDA cores each. The GeForce GTX Titan, by contrast, is a single-GPU design.
Comments made on the Rage3D forum by the site's news editor point to review units already being out with selected establishments - under Nvidia's usual non-disclosure agreement, of course, meaning nobody who has a board will be saying anything until given a green light - with early indications pointing to an impressive sub-300W thermal design profile (TDP) that may reach as low as 235W. That may sound on the low side for such a top-end graphics card, but it fits nicely with the Tesla K20 and K20X accelerator boards on which the Titan appears to be based: the Tesla K20 boasts a TDP of 225W, while the more powerful K20X hits 235W - aided, Nvidia claims, by massive efficiency gains in the 28nm GK110 design.
Finally, price. While there are no official figures to speak of, Proshop's listing suggested a Danish retail price of €900 for the Asus GeForce GTX Titan - translating to around £770 in the UK. While that's a top-end price for a consumer-grade product, it's a significant discount compared to the Tesla K20's £2,600 retail value.
Nvidia, naturally, isn't talking about as-yet unnanounced products - but with Proshop's listing claiming retail availability by the 24th of February, Nvidia fans won't have long to wait to see if the rumours are true.
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Discuss in the forums ReplyMaybe there is a price drop in the pipe.
Based on the usual "mistakes" nearly every site makes regarding price (add etailer margin and VAT to it guys) and you end up with £1000 or so...
Given the "leaked" benchmarks and you have reason to pay it if 690s are £300 less...
Premium product attracts premium price after all.
All of the above however is merely speculation, that includes the report. Something tells me AMD are soon to release something special... ooooowwww Speculation/speculation/speculation#
For that price I'd expect most users to be running 4k or multi screens.
EDI feed therefor not actual stock. Held at a warehouse and shipped from a disti, company makes maybe £5 profit for the service. Now, god forbid this card doesnt work, is the £5 profit for this company really worth the effort? Not really no and as a knock on effect of pricing like this you end up with a ruined margin for other business' to try and make money off. Looking at a etailer that has a real warehouse shows £2988 as a low point price or above. massive difference in price there.
As for the dutch retailer, im guessing EDI too or they dont have the correct figures for pricing.
I must say it in near every article be it bit-tech or your competition that these reports falsify a hope with the customer and as such damages the industry.
Prime example... product X is $330.. that equates to £210.. WOW! Etailer BUYS at $330.. adds 10% margin and VAT and all of a sudden its £285... a far cry from the £210 the press falsely lead the customer into thinking they will need to budget for.
Its a pet hate of mine thats all and by all means bring me up on this if and when the product is released if I am wrong but as it stands I am yet to be wrong which is a shame because for once it would be nice to see the members of bit-tech excited for something that will happen rather than something that could "potentially" happen and never does.
So, once again: despite the bee in your bonnet, there's nothing inaccurate in the article. You can buy a Tesla K20 right now, from a site that has it in stock ready for delivery, for under £2,600. A retailer put up a listing for the GeForce GTX Titan at £770 (well, the local equivalent) including VAT. These are not mistakes, nor are they 'guesses.' They are facts.
Just because its "in stock" doesnt mean its at the location your buying from and as you can see on your very forums theres a number of disgruntled customers buying something "in stock" to then get an email saying it simply isnt. This is how the industry unfortunately works, not all stock is held where you think it is, something known as an EDI feed can show stocks on a site that are being pulled from another companies inventory. The concept is great but because the seller never handles the goods they are not inclined to make the same profit margin they would on what they do actually hold. Its essentially almost risk free and lets face it 1-2% of something is better than 15% of nothing.
Novatech do this but the whole process is internal which is why you get different stock levels per SKU as some may be head in reading, the rest in Portsmouth or at any other location Novatech have a store/trade counter location. Whether or not they use the EDI service principle to load stock levels from other distis in other locations I however do not know but those you have quoted do and their business model is built on it.
Secondly I have not singled out bit-tech with this as I have said "nearly every site". There is a bee in the bonnet because the press; sites like this will state that a product X is about to come out and the price is as I said as an example $330. This is fine but its rarely stated if this is "cost" from manufacturer or actual cost to consumer which as always is assumed as the full price inclusive of VAT. This is rarely the case and that stated price is often around 30% out. VAT (20%) and etailer margin (5-15%).
The above leaves customers disheartened thats all and speculation from areas other than price ie performance has a similar effect. The press as such has the ability as a whole to make or break a product before it is even released which can kill profits etc in the industry.
Worst case scenario the press ruins one too many products in this sort of way and a company could go bump.
Once companies go bump products become fewer.. fewer products means less reviews.. less reviews and less public spend empathises this further to a point where there ultimately will be no industry and no job reviewing or pressing news on said product.
I am fully aware the above mini rant is completely over the top and very unlikely to happen but the principles and thought process behind it all remain true. You may say "fact" which I am not arguing about as it could well be "fact" based on the information you have been given however you have said it yourself, the UK does not have pricing so therefor why should any other country have pricing? The simple answer is they shouldnt and as such there is no fact, merely once again speculation.
Sorry Andrew, working for a reseller I can tell you that Gareth's pricing on the K20 is correct. That's factoring in VAT, stock levels and adding on typical margin as well. That's been checked as well as I was honestly just curious to find out.
Yes you are right about consumer's getting screwed over on initial pricing being out of skew and getting our hopes up, but in this case it looks like the pricing might be correct. I say might, because let's face it this is the UK, but comparing prices at the moment adds up. Still, who knows until the NDA and everything else is lifted.
Is this the lifting of the NDA and the 28th is when its being stocked ?
Not only is it quicker, it only uses one gpu. Theoretically even if its slightly slower you could still sli 4 of those graphics mongers. IE that could be as good as 8 normal cards, or 4 690s. AND most likely less power draw.
No. K20 has 2,496 CUDA cores because 2 SMX cluster are disables. K20X has 2,688 CUDA cores with 1 SMX cluster disabled. There are no GK110 chips with 15 SMX clusters for sale, no matter how much $ you pay.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6446/nvidia-launches-tesla-k20-k20x-gk110-arrives-at-last
This likely means that at most GK110 can have is 2,688 CUDA cores. Since K20X has a 235W TDP and its GPU clocks are just 732mhz, paired with 5.2Ghz on GDDR5, it's hard to imagine how the Titan can have 7Ghz GDDR5 and 1Ghz GPU clocks. My guess is it will have 900-950 mhz GPU clocks, coming in roughly 50-60% faster than a GTX680.
Also is this Tesla or for us Gaming nerds to buy? I cant quite pin whether your putting this as a tesla new product or a juicy card for most of us to dream of owning (or both). It sits in between the tesla units you mention but then you say Nvidia Fans: presumably the majority of home owned PC nutters.
"The GeForce Titan would apparently score X7107 points in 3DMark11 Extreme preset. Long story short, this is a new world record beaten by 600 points. In comparison to the GeForce GTX 680, Titans score is over double (GTX 680 has around X3300), its also faster than GTX 690 by 1300 points."
From some more sources it seems the Titan may be quicker than the GTX 680 and Radeon 7970 but a little slower than a GTX 690
Due to the mere fact that Nvidia is gonna release it, it will, at the very least, be between the 680 and 690, If it doesn't give them both a royally electrical butt-whooping.
Source (well, where I found them anyway)
http://i.imgur.com/UqSMHh3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/anSsSUS.jpg
Looks very nice indeed.
Waterblocked versions will be miles away probably, but i suspect the usual manus will be working on waterblocks already.
i killed my 580 gtx, was gonna get a 680 gtx, but looks like i killed my card in time maybe, now i may wait for this, time it comes out i suspect ill have most of the money waiting.
http://i.imgur.com/YOldkxD.jpg
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http://i.imgur.com/CMkoQtm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Q5h5x6q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7IZPN5c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/V7pOZm3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9mOcxXo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SaQHJhF.jpg
Got to say thats one awesome looking shroud/enclosure..or whatever its called. :)