AMD is keen to discuss the future of its HSA-based APU design, but is a bit more cagey on its FX family of chips.
AMD held its latest Financial Analyst Day in the US yesterday, offering a glimpse of the company's plans for the future as it continues its fight against bitter rival Intel.
Speaking at the event, chief technology officer Mark Papermaster declared that the Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA) formerly known as Fusion is to get an accelerated roll-out schedule. While the company had previously planned to release fully-integrated HSA processors by 2015, Papermaster claimed at the event that the first fully-functional HSA GPU cores will be available in 2014.
The first Fusion APUs, which combine GPU and CPU technology on a single chip, have been available for some time, but Papermaster's vision goes further. In 2012, he explained, chips will be released that give the GPU access to the CPU memory for increased efficiency and data sharing between the two.
In 2013, this will be further enhanced by doing away with the concept of independent memory altogether. Instead, both the GPU and CPU will share a single unified memory space. The benefit: data can be processed by either subsystem without the delays associated with moving it to different areas of system memory.
Finally, 2014 will see the launch of the first HSA-compatible GPUs. Unlike current general purpose GPU technology, Papermaster claims that the HSA-compatible GPU will be cable of switching its compute context on the fly, executing code on whichever process makes most sense from a performance perspective.
AMD chief executive Rory Read repeated a claim from late last year that his company had reached an inflection point, claiming in his keynote speech that AMD is primed to '
capture' that point. To do so, Read declared a renewed focus on the entry-level and low-power markets while referring to his company's ongoing battle with Intel at the high end as an '
unhealthy duopoly.'
The new focus for AMD, Read explained, will be on mobility - tablets and ultra-portable laptop systems - highly-parallel cloud servers and embedded systems, along with emerging markets.
That's not to say that AMD is giving up on the high-end market, though. In an updated roadmap shared with analysts, the company promised to release its second-generation Trinity APU series this year with a third-generation 28nm HSA-equipped Kaveri family due in 2013. Kaveri, the slide explained, will include improved x86 cores based on the Steamroller architecture for increased instructions-per-clock performance with power saving enhancements along with Graphics Core Next (GCN) GPU capabilities.
The FX series isn't going away, either. While adoption of the Bulldozer-architecture chips has been slow in the consumer market, the company is still on track to release a successor in 2013. Dubbed 'Vishera,' the second generation of FX processors will include between four and eight Piledriver CPU cores. Interestingly, however, these will still be built on a 32nm process size despite the rest of the company's products having transitioned to 28nm by that time.
At the lower power end of the market, AMD revealed that Brazos will give way to Kabini, a second-generation low-power APU based on Bobcat-successor Jaguar cores and again featuring HSA-based technology while skipping the GCN upgrade of its more powerful brother.
Finally, at the ultra-low power end of the market, 2012's Hondo will give way to Temash. Again based on a 28nm process size, the Temash APU will include Jaguar cores on a system-on-chip (SoC) design featuring an integrated Fusion Controller Hub (FCH). This is AMD's tablet and embedded offering, designed to compete directly with the likes of ARM in passively-cooled systems.
On the graphics front, AMD promises to continue its twelve-monthly release cycle with a new GPU family dubbed Sea Islands. Based on the same 28nm process as the current Southern Islands family, Sea Islands will be based on a new GPU architecture and include a subset of HSA functionality. The result, AMD claims, will be significant performance boosts for both graphics and general-purpose compute purposes.
Does AMD's updated roadmap fill you with confidence, or has Read's talk of focusing on tablet and server markets got you worried that it's giving up on chasing Intel at the performance end of the market? Share your thoughts over in the
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Discuss in the forums ReplyWhilst it's good that they 'got the message' about this aspect of Bulldozer's appalling performance in this area, it's too late for me.
My next build will be an Ivy Bridge one, and the only thing that will tempt me back to AMD is if they release a new range of CPU's that are at least as fast as Intels (whatever that maybe) in late 2013 or 2014 when i come to build a replacement rig.
I dont hold out much hope of that, sorry AMD, your Derpdozer debacle lost me as a customer of 8yrs.
AMD seem to be changing their mind/brand identity every other day at the moment,
Then, and maybe then, those chips will start to get somewhere.
This is a roadmap, but really it looks pretty bleak. Very much a case of hang on in there till bulldozer is replaced and hope it's replacement works much better.
If anyone asked me to build an all rounder PC for them, this is what I would use.
If someone wants high end I will go intel, but as a previous poster pointed out; while talking GPU's; the high end is not the lucrative market.
I expect most laptops, and consmuer desktops to have a fusion chip in the next 6 months.
i think this is the big thing with them, i have had quite a lot of instances on other forums where people have asked for a cheap laptop recommendations (£400ish) which they want to be able to play some low requirement or older games on and the general concensus is go for a Llano based laptop as the build in graphics is so much better than intel's, and if we are honest for most people on a £400 laptop, the extra speed of a intel chip is not likely to ever be noticed
The Intel/Nvidia combo works just fine for this kind of laptop. I can't see any justification on using any AMD components on any class of build now. They have truly lost the plot completely.
Some said it was a mistake, some said it was brilliant, but most didn't care and kept buying the cards that were at their price/performance points anyway.
If AMD follows this strategy with their CPUs and APUs, how many is going to care and how much of a problem is it going to be? Personally, I would be fine with it. There is going to be enough performance for everybody except for those whose self-worth is measured by their computers or their Benchmark X score.
I just searched out reviews and my CPU is now 3 years old. It has had a 20% overclock since it was installed, and has outlived a gf7950 and a hd4870 (and a second 4870 later bought for a multi-GPU) and I can't see it being replaced for another 12-18 months when I'll probably again replace the current GPU (a 6950). I game at 1920x1200 and everything turned to the highest settings. I haven't noticed that I don't have a 2600K overclocked to 5 GHz.
By the time it gets replaced I will never have had a CPU this long in my main computer.
How much CPU performance is enough?
Even in the server market?
Intel is always going to be able to outspend AMD R&D twenty-fold, so there is little reason for AMD to expend the kinds of company breaking sums of money trying to beat Intel.
I consider myself a computer enthusiast, and I like fast things. I enjoy reading reviews about fast things. I also buy fast things; I own a higher end GPU and a large capacity SSD. But I don't care that AMD doesn't have a CPU to compete in the top 0.5%. I care about the performance that matters to me.
When it comes time to replace my current CPU, I will look at various factors and make a decision at my price/performance point. One of those factors won't be who is fastest at the top 0.5% of the market.
When all you are able to see are nails, hammers look like the solution to every problem.
Except for the part where the AMD solution completely trounces Atom/ION in performance and at a lower price point. You need to work on your anti-AMD flamebait material, Snips, you used to be good at this :P
FusionHSA better, but also to maybe get back into the high end desktop market in the future.I'm never buying an Arctic/Arctic Cooling product ever again, bunch of greedy motherf...
True! :D
On the other hand, I feel bit smug at the moment in that they're getting closer to what I predicted before BD came out - eventually, the CPU won't even have an FPU. That functionality will be handed off to the GPU side seamlessly, since they're sharing address space. Not be (more of a) fanboy, but I think I was right - AMD didn't totally f*ck it up - they're just ahead of their time. In a way, they did f*ck it up - too far ahead. If we're very lucky, they'll have it sorted out to where PD will have the performance in Win8 that BD should have had under Win7 (and while the scheduler hotfix being backported is nice, the difference it apparently made is still depressingly small.)
Come on, AMD! Don't make me feel like an idiot for buying an AM3+ board when I could have switched sides while I still had money!
Oh, and Snips: lazy troll is lazy :P
The graphics switches on the fly between the built in i5 when in normal use and to the gaming card when needed.
It is all very well talking about value but it is not value to spend 86% (£430 instead of £500) to get a product that is far less powerful and will therefore need replacing that much sooner. It is also the difference between complaint stricken companies such as Dell, Acer or Toshiba and an award winning company such as ASUS.