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BitMicro plans 5TB SSDs with TALINO-DE controller

BitMicro plans 5TB SSDs with TALINO-DE controller

BitMicro's new TALINO-DE SSD controller promises a future filled with solid-state drives holding 5TB or more.

Solid-state storage specialist BitMicro Networks, in partnership with Global Unichip, has announced the taping-out of a third-generation SSD controller which it claims will lead to 5TB SSDs in a single form factor.

Dubbed TALINO-DE (Translation and Linking of Input-Output Nodes - Device Edition,) the next-generation controller uses multiple processors, a proprietary data moving technology and high-speed serial on-chip buses to enable hundreds of individual flash chips to be accessed in parallel. The result: SSDs that are both significantly faster and a lot more capacious than anything that has come before.

The controller's design includes in-built support for the most common input-output standards including SATA, SAS and PCI Express, meaning those opting to use TALINO-DE in their designs don't need an additional bridge chip or third-party IO controller as part of their design.

While full performance characteristics have yet to be released, BitMicro claims that the design scales to over 400,000 random 4KB block write transactions per second - IOPS - while providing support for up to 5TB of flash storage in a single device.

'The combination of Global Unichip's PCIe, SATA, SAS PHY IP products and the broad scope of their flexible SoC design services, manufacturing capabilities and strong relationship with TSMC gave us no reason to hold back in our designs,' claimed BitMicro chief executive Rey Bruce at the launch announcement. 'From the start, we are confident the TALINO-DE controller will create a huge impact in the storage industry. Backed by GUC's world-class testing facilities, we know they are the most viable option for us.'

Promising support for ONFi, Toggle Mode DDR SLC, MLC, eMLC and NAND SLC flash chips, BitMicro's TALINO-DE controller is expected to hit the market in small-scale product launches in the second quarter of this year as part of the company's E-Disk product line.

Sadly, there is a slight catch: with BitMicro aiming its products firmly at enterprise-level customers, it's likely to be quite some time before you'll be putting a TALINO-DE-powered 5TB SSD in your next gaming PC.

Are you pleased to see companies working on expanding the capacity of solid-state storage devices, or will it take a commercially available product - at an affordable price - before you start jumping for joy? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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l3v1ck 18th January 2012, 12:49 Quote
I dread to think how much a 5TB SSD would cost.
Nice to know it can be done though.
damien c 18th January 2012, 13:00 Quote
I am kind of guessing here but I have a feeling this would cost around £2k for a single drive, but if they can get it cheap enough and fast enough then it could take off for normal people but I see it more as a business drive than residential.
Bede 18th January 2012, 13:11 Quote
As the current SSD price averages out as just above £1-per-gigabyte you are way off the money. This is an enterprise level, extremely specialised bit of kit - as we're playing the guessing game today I'm guessing £10k for a 5TB.
l3v1ck 18th January 2012, 13:12 Quote
I'm waiting for the day I can a fford a 500GB SSD so I can clone my laptop HDD to it and use the SSD instead.
l3v1ck 18th January 2012, 13:13 Quote
Can you clone a 500GB drive with 120GB data on it to a 256GB SSD?
saspro 18th January 2012, 13:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Can you clone a 500GB drive with 120GB data on it to a 256GB SSD?

Yes
damien c 18th January 2012, 14:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Can you clone a 500GB drive with 120GB data on it to a 256GB SSD?

Yeah most software will do a proportional clone, where it will shrink the size of the partition's to fit the new disk.

One thing I have never really looked at or tried yet as I have not got my 2nd 120GB ssd is cloning from a non raided drive to 2 raided drives.
capmoq 18th January 2012, 17:01 Quote
"Promoses" and "promises" and "promises".. They always promise something but it's about a time if they already came out? There had to be 1TB SSDs coming but where are they. For a year I read articles like this but we still don't see anything on the market.
fdbh96 18th January 2012, 17:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by capmoq
"Promoses" and "promises" and "promises".. They always promise something but it's about a time if they already came out? There had to be 1TB SSDs coming but where are they. For a year I read articles like this but we still don't see anything on the market.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/32tb-ocz-technology-z-drive-r4-cm88-full-height-pcie-ssd-pcie-20-(x8)-sandforce-2281-mlc-flash-read-
l3v1ck 18th January 2012, 17:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Can you clone a 500GB drive with 120GB data on it to a 256GB SSD?

Yeah most software will do a proportional clone, where it will shrink the size of the partition's to fit the new disk.

One thing I have never really looked at or tried yet as I have not got my 2nd 120GB ssd is cloning from a non raided drive to 2 raided drives.
Thanks for letting me know. Now my laptop is out of warrenty, I might try it.
Guess I'll need an SSD and a caddy so I can clone the existing drive via USB.
uerseya 18th January 2012, 17:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Thanks for letting me know. Now my laptop is out of warrenty, I might try it.
Guess I'll need an SSD and a caddy so I can clone the existing drive via USB.

I'd suggest a nice clean install would be the way to go, back up all your data and programs, and get Windows 7 on there, plus with an SSD it's always a good idea to have a full back up of all your data just in case anyways.
Waynio 18th January 2012, 18:20 Quote
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Are you pleased to see companies working on expanding the capacity of solid-state storage devices, or will it take a commercially available product - at an affordable price - before you start jumping for joy? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

Awesome & very pleased progress is rolling but I'd take a wild guess the drives might cost about £20,000 or more :) Holy moly :D.
NetSphere 18th January 2012, 18:50 Quote
Erm. Random question for people to answer:

We've got 2.5" form factor SSDs. How come they haven't invented 3.5" SSDs? Is it because OEMs mostly use SSDs in laptops? Or just the rest of the drive manufacturers being slow? Or does it simply not scale that well at all?
fdbh96 18th January 2012, 19:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by NetSphere
Erm. Random question for people to answer:

We've got 2.5" form factor SSDs. How come they haven't invented 3.5" SSDs? Is it because OEMs mostly use SSDs in laptops? Or just the rest of the drive manufacturers being slow? Or does it simply not scale that well at all?

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/hard-drives-ssd/solid-state-drives-(ssd-35-525)-0gb-48gb/solid-state-drives-(ssd-35-525)-64gb-1tb

I assume because there is no need to make it so big, and to make all compatible with laptops
John_T 18th January 2012, 19:08 Quote
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Are you pleased to see companies working on expanding the capacity of solid-state storage devices, or will it take a commercially available product - at an affordable price - before you start jumping for joy?

Yes, pleased to see that. Obviously unaffordable for the average PC enthusiast right now, (unless you're a lottery winner who doesn't mind being silly with money) but these things always filter down eventually.

If 5TB enterprise drives are available in Q2 this year, I reckon affordable 1TB+ drives could easily be with us by or before 2014. That may seem a while, but at least we can see actual, real, working products on the horizon now...
John_T 18th January 2012, 19:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by fdbh96
http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/hard-drives-ssd/solid-state-drives-(ssd-35-525)-0gb-48gb/solid-state-drives-(ssd-35-525)-64gb-1tb

I assume because there is no need to make it so big, and to make all compatible with laptops

Haha, beat me to it - I was about to link to the exact same page! :)
NetSphere 18th January 2012, 19:25 Quote
Yeah, but comparing that to the 2.5" page at scan...

the 3.5" are lagging in size and speed. You would think that even if they can't compete in speed. surely they should be able to manage larger (and not yet go the path of PCI-E.)
kzinti1 18th January 2012, 22:01 Quote
I find your last paragraph, "Are you pleased to see companies working on expanding the capacity of solid-state storage devices, or will it take a commercially available product - at an affordable price - before you start jumping for joy? Share your thoughts over in the forums", to be quite ludicrous.
Who among us is NOT happy that companies are continually performing R&D?
Will we be happier when a company actually produces such a device? Are you kidding or what?
Tell me something, are you being paid by the word for spouting such nonsense? If so, then, pal, you just ain't worth it!
Gareth Halfacree 18th January 2012, 22:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by kzinti1
<snip vitriol>
I find it interesting that the overwhelming majority of your recent posts have been extremely negative, with many verging on abusive. Tell me: if reading this site is causing you such obvious anguish, why do you put yourself through the pain?
salesman 19th January 2012, 02:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by John_T
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Are you pleased to see companies working on expanding the capacity of solid-state storage devices, or will it take a commercially available product - at an affordable price - before you start jumping for joy?

Yes, pleased to see that. Obviously unaffordable for the average PC enthusiast right now, (unless you're a lottery winner who doesn't mind being silly with money) but these things always filter down eventually.

If 5TB enterprise drives are available in Q2 this year, I reckon affordable 1TB+ drives could easily be with us by or before 2014. That may seem a while, but at least we can see actual, real, working products on the horizon now...

Made me chuckle, 2014. It's 2012, the world ends this year.
Waynio 19th January 2012, 03:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by salesman
Made me chuckle, 2014. It's 2012, the world ends this year.

And without a lol or a grin, deary me .

Edit
I think if everyone anticipated everything going apocalyptic this year then it most probably would but if they just carry on as usual steaming forward with awesomeness then everything will be fine unless of course a freak meteorite shoots out of nowhere & smashes things out of place in the galaxy :).
urobulos 19th January 2012, 09:31 Quote
It will be aimed at the corporate market and cost 10 000 £. Come back to me when we get 1TB SSD's for 100£. So probably 2020.
John_T 19th January 2012, 19:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by NetSphere
Yeah, but comparing that to the 2.5" page at scan...

the 3.5" are lagging in size and speed. You would think that even if they can't compete in speed. surely they should be able to manage larger (and not yet go the path of PCI-E.)

I seem to remember them having a much bigger selection a year or so back - along with the other retailers as well. I obviously don't know for a fact, but I think it's a pretty safe guess that the main reason for lack of selection is that there simply isn't much demand for an artificially large size. Why block airflow into your case with something big & bulky when you don't need to?

Also, from a manufacturing point of view, why go to the expense of creating two separate products when one size literally fits all? There obviously is still a market, (hence they exist) but it seems a pretty niche one...
John_T 19th January 2012, 19:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Waynio
...what you said...

I still took it to be a joke myself mate...
fluxtatic 21st January 2012, 09:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
I am kind of guessing here but I have a feeling this would cost around £2k for a single drive, but if they can get it cheap enough and fast enough then it could take off for normal people but I see it more as a business drive than residential.

Have you seen prices on enterprise SSDs? If they were to release this now, it'd be 10x that, at least.

In the meantime, please continue buying consumer SSDs, bleeding-edgers. I need you to get the volume up until the prices drop to where HDD prices were last summer, so a cheap <ahem> such as myself will be willing to get in on the sweet SSD action. :D
Tattysnuc 21st January 2012, 11:34 Quote
With my limited exposure to datacentre hardware, and the costs involved, the SSD based route may well be the future, but not until someone actually benches it and starts to demonstrate solid performance benefits. We use Dell SAN's and they really are rocks solid awesome performing bits of kit. There's absolutely no way I could get justify spending £12k+ on some storage space that "might" be quicker, and "might" have disaster recovery facilities as advertised.

I could make a case for saving on Rack space saving, and power saving, but until they become widespread enough and there are solid performance numbers in real world applications, with real world failure rates documented, then these are just a bit of a white elephant.

Potentially this looks like a tremendous performance product, but where're the test cases especially with the millions of transactions per piece of silicon performed by things like SQL Server etc.

Do I come across as a bit cynical? Sorry if I do, but I've yet to see this sort of supporting "evidence". Are OCZ etc doing real world testimonials?
l3v1ck 24th January 2012, 07:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by uerseya
I'd suggest a nice clean install would be the way to go, back up all your data and programs, and get Windows 7 on there, plus with an SSD it's always a good idea to have a full back up of all your data just in case anyways.
I'm afraid I can't to that. My Windows 7 install came preinstalled from Sony. There's a hidden partition with a backup, but that has all their crapware on it. I've got Window the way I like it (ie removed the crapware), so I'll just clone that.
tough_aguilus 24th January 2012, 10:28 Quote
Originally Posted by capmoq
"Promoses" and "promises" and "promises".. They always promise something but it's about a time if they already came out? There had to be 1TB SSDs coming but where are they. For a year I read articles like this but we still don't see anything on the market.

BiTMICRO drives are built-to-order drives, intended for industrial and military usage, the reason why you can't see any 1.6TB in the market right now. Once BiTMICRO enters the commercial/consumer market, then that's the time that you can see it.
fdbh96 24th January 2012, 17:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by tough_aguilus
Originally Posted by capmoq
"Promoses" and "promises" and "promises".. They always promise something but it's about a time if they already came out? There had to be 1TB SSDs coming but where are they. For a year I read articles like this but we still don't see anything on the market.

BiTMICRO drives are built-to-order drives, intended for industrial and military usage, the reason why you can't see any 1.6TB in the market right now. Once BiTMICRO enters the commercial/consumer market, then that's the time that you can see it.

Dont know id these are ready to order or not...

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/32tb-ocz-technology-z-drive-r4-cm88-full-height-pcie-ssd-pcie-20-(x8)-sandforce-2281-mlc-flash-read-
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