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Steve Jobs dies aged 56

Steve Jobs dies aged 56

Steve Jobs has died aged 56.

Steve Jobs, Apple co-founder and former CEO, has died aged 56 just weeks after stepping down as Apple's CEO for health reasons.

The cause of Jobs' death has not been confirmed, but is believed to be related to Jobs' battle with pancreatic cancer.

Jobs' replacement as CEO, Tim Cook, today paid tribute to his predecessor in an email to Apple staff that praised Jobs as 'a visionary and creative genius.'

'Those of us who have been fortunate enough to know and work with Steve have lost a dear friend and an inspiring mentor,' said Cook. 'Steve leaves behind a company that only he could have built, and his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple.'

Many other figureheads of industry and politics have paid tribute to Jobs, with Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates saying that it was 'an insanely great honour' to have worked with Jobs. Google CEO Larry Page meanwhile praised Jobs' 'amazing brilliance'.

'Steve was among the greatest of American innovators - brave enough to think differently, bold enough to believe he could change the world, and talented enough to do it,' said US president Barack Obama in a statement.

A commencement speech given by Jobs at Stanford University in 2005 can be viewed below and provides some background on Jobs' history, struggle with cancer and views on death.

Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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warejon9 6th October 2011, 11:29 Quote
Even though i hate Apple, i think that it is a great shame, my thoughts are with the people that knew him.
AiA 6th October 2011, 11:29 Quote
RIP
mighty_pirate 6th October 2011, 11:30 Quote
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.
wuyanxu 6th October 2011, 11:32 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.
so inappropriate.
Marvin-HHGTTG 6th October 2011, 11:32 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

It didn't take long.

Not personally a fan of Apple, but there's no denying the guy was well liked and very smart.

RIP
yassarikhan786 6th October 2011, 11:47 Quote
R.I.P Steve Jobs. He was an innovator and an inspiration.
techhead 6th October 2011, 11:47 Quote
'The world has lost a visionary

R.I.P
hexx 6th October 2011, 11:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

retard
liratheal 6th October 2011, 11:51 Quote
Got to admire the drive to demand things be bent to his desire, nothing less.

Must have been hard working for and with him, but what the hell. I can check my email on my phone and not feel like my eyes are being punched out.

See ya Jobsie.
damien c 6th October 2011, 11:52 Quote
I alway's think it's sad and pathetic when people start all these jokes about people who have just died, some people just have no shame and no respect.

Whilst I do not like Apple and was annoyed by some of Steve Job's decision's regarding Apple I still admired him for what he did for the whole, computing industry when he 1st started out and continued to do till this day.

Steve's Legacy will live on for a long time.

RIP STEVE JOBS!!!
Nicho133 6th October 2011, 12:15 Quote
RIP Steve Jobs.
B1GBUD 6th October 2011, 12:18 Quote
After losing my father to pancreatic cancer only a few months ago, this strikes a very strong cord. Cancer doesn't discriminate, it affects many people from all walks of life. My sympathies go out to his friends and family. RIP Steve Jobs.
Lance 6th October 2011, 12:22 Quote
RIP to the man that made computers cool.

Cheers for your achievements in life, and good luck in the next one.
Jake123456 6th October 2011, 12:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.
so inappropriate.

Eurgh, this is so inappropriate, agreed Wyx.

RIP Steve Jobs.
User-sam 6th October 2011, 12:24 Quote
RIP Steve Jobs You will be missed.
feathers 6th October 2011, 12:26 Quote
Unfortunately we live in a shallow non thinking non feeling junk entertainment culture where people want to regard anything and everything as entertainment. The general masses also learn from so called celebrities and there are many so called comedians who will be making similar jokes about Steve's death. Such comedians see themselves as cutting edge and believe they are pushing the boundaries of a mundane, boring society. In reality they are desensitising the unthinking, unfeeling monkeys who simply ape what they see and hear on screen. Monkey see, Monkey do do.
shah 6th October 2011, 12:39 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by hexx
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

retard

Totally agreed... and has no compasion...
Daedelus 6th October 2011, 12:45 Quote
Get over yourselves, the joke is not making fun of death, or cancer or anything else. Stop being so precious.
feathers 6th October 2011, 12:48 Quote
Not about being precious, it's just not a nice think to make a joke about and suggests you are deranged in some way.
mighty_pirate 6th October 2011, 12:49 Quote
Ooh. "You're a sensitive boy, ain't you Tommy?"
feathers 6th October 2011, 12:54 Quote
And you're an insensitive boy ain't you mighty ego pirate?
mighty_pirate 6th October 2011, 13:06 Quote
Sorry?
It's hard to hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.
feathers 6th October 2011, 13:14 Quote
You come across as bit of a *****. I know you think you're really funny, but your comedy is pretty average and overly simplistic. I suggest you spend a few more years studying the art if you want an audience that doesn't find you kind of lame.
Tim S 6th October 2011, 13:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Sorry?
It's hard to hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Yeah, I can hear how awesome you are - is that the sound of the door hitting you on the way out? Show a little respect or just stay away from sensitive threads like this. Come back in 7 days without the trolling boots
M7ck 6th October 2011, 13:18 Quote
As much as I am a fan of apple and jobs and don't think jokes concerning his death are too bad, the nothing flash one actually made me smile. I made jokes when Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse died, nothing personal towards either of them, I was just trying to lighten the mood.

R.I.P Steve

Keep the jokes coming guys, but try to be tasteful in them.
hexx 6th October 2011, 13:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Sorry?
It's hard to hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

you might be, but still doesn't change my opinion on you in regards to this article
Tim S 6th October 2011, 13:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by M7ck
Keep the jokes coming guys, but try to be tasteful in them.

This, please. Keep the insults to PMs if you have to insult each other - there's no place for it on the public parts of the forum.
goldstar0011 6th October 2011, 13:26 Quote
Am saddened by this, I used to dispise Apple products but have warmed to them alot because they are good products. The world really would be a different place without him.

As for the jokes, I think a person as unique as Steve would actually have laughed at the "nothing flash" joke.

Lets not fallout with each other over our preference on griefing and respecting the departed, we all express in different ways
sp4nky 6th October 2011, 13:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
I alway's think it's sad and pathetic when people start all these jokes about people who have just died, some people just have no shame and no respect.

Whilst I do not like Apple and was annoyed by some of Steve Job's decision's regarding Apple I still admired him for what he did for the whole, computing industry when he 1st started out and continued to do till this day.

Steve's Legacy will live on for a long time.

RIP STEVE JOBS!!!

I think it's sad and pathetic when people cry over the death of someone they didn't know, hadn't met, only knew from what others had said about them. Hell, if you're going to misspell the guy's name, it's hadly respectful, is it?

Also, people react to death in different ways - we all have different strategies for coping. For some, it's the tears and the wailing, for others it's to find humour where it's least expected.

Personally, I never met the man. I've bought some of the products his company designed but I didn't know him. I saw the story on the news and I've moved on. For me, it's definitely not too soon for humour.

+rep to Pirate for making me laugh. Humour is welcome as far as I'm concerned and playing on the technical specification of one of Apple's biggest products is quite witty, I think.

EDIT: will give when his ban ends.
feathers 6th October 2011, 13:34 Quote
I would never buy an apple computer. I like my computer infinitely upgradeable without extreme cost but the iPhone 3gs is the best phone I have owned.

I wonder if there will be a commemorative iPhone 4s released?
Unicorn 6th October 2011, 13:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedelus
Get over yourselves, the joke is not making fun of death, or cancer or anything else. Stop being so precious.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Ooh. "You're a sensitive boy, ain't you Tommy?"
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Sorry?
It's hard to hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Unbelievable lack of respect and insensitivity - I would also like to publically voice my disgust at how inappropriate your comments are (you too, Daedelus). I have no idea what sort of person you are in real life, but from what I've seen and read from you here, my mind paints a very dim picture. It looks a little like this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-14894576

In short, I was about to suggest that you be banned for your comments, but I see that Tim has already taken the same view as myself and others;
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim S
Yeah, I can hear how awesome you are - is that the sound of the door hitting you on the way out? Show a little respect or just stay away from sensitive threads like this. Come back in 7 days without the trolling boots

Thanks for that, Tim.

On another note, we now have three threads on the forum on this topic, would it make sense to have a merge with this thread so all our thoughts are kept in one place (or at the very most, two)? Just a suggestion. I've already expressed my sadness at this news and paid my respects to Steve in the GD thread. Here are the other two threads and their locations on the forum;

General Discussion
Hardware
towelie 6th October 2011, 13:39 Quote
RIP Steve Jobs condolences to your family and friends.Lets hope your dream stays on as a memory to you.
damien c 6th October 2011, 13:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sp4nky
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
I alway's think it's sad and pathetic when people start all these jokes about people who have just died, some people just have no shame and no respect.

Whilst I do not like Apple and was annoyed by some of Steve Job's decision's regarding Apple I still admired him for what he did for the whole, computing industry when he 1st started out and continued to do till this day.

Steve's Legacy will live on for a long time.

RIP STEVE JOBS!!!

I think it's sad and pathetic when people cry over the death of someone they didn't know, hadn't met, only knew from what others had said about them. Hell, if you're going to misspell the guy's name, it's hadly respectful, is it?

Also, people react to death in different ways - we all have different strategies for coping. For some, it's the tears and the wailing, for others it's to find humour where it's least expected.

Personally, I never met the man. I've bought some of the products his company designed but I didn't know him. I saw the story on the news and I've moved on. For me, it's definitely not too soon for humour.

+rep to Pirate for making me laugh. Humour is welcome as far as I'm concerned and playing on the technical specification of one of Apple's biggest products is quite witty, I think.

EDIT: will give when his ban ends.

1st, I have not spelt his name wrong maybe used a " ' " in the wrong place but I didn't spell his name wrong.

I also know that people deal with death in different ways but in less than 24 hours of the person's death I think is wrong, to start with all the jokes about that person.
3lusive 6th October 2011, 13:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sp4nky
I think it's sad and pathetic when people cry over the death of someone they didn't know, hadn't met, only knew from what others had said about them. Hell, if you're going to misspell the guy's name, it's hadly respectful, is it?

Also, people react to death in different ways - we all have different strategies for coping. For some, it's the tears and the wailing, for others it's to find humour where it's least expected.

Personally, I never met the man. I've bought some of the products his company designed but I didn't know him. I saw the story on the news and I've moved on. For me, it's definitely not too soon for humour.

+rep to Pirate for making me laugh. Humour is welcome as far as I'm concerned and playing on the technical specification of one of Apple's biggest products is quite witty, I think.

EDIT: will give when his ban ends.

Well said. I agree with that 100%.
feathers 6th October 2011, 13:44 Quote
I guess sean duffy in that BBC link is the kind of person who needs cyanide in his coffee. Obviously a bitter **** with a hatred and resentment of young girls. It's the adolf syndrome. Adolf had a small willy and because one girl laughed at it he went on a mass killing spree.
smc8788 6th October 2011, 13:48 Quote
With all due respect, that joke really wasn't that bad - it wasn't making fun of Jobs, or the fact that he has died, it was making fun of Apple's company policies. Was it in bad taste? Perhaps. Was it too soon? Definitely. But if you're surprised by either of these things, then I would like to be the first to welcome you to the Internet. Jokes always do the rounds when someone in the public spotlight dies, even more rapidly on the Internet, and I've heard a lot worse than that one before. Is it OK to make jokes about Amy Winehouse because she was a crackhead or Michael Jackson because he liked to touch little boys, but not Steve Jobs because he was a more respected figure?

If you can't laugh at the bad things that happen in life, then you must live a very depressing one.
r3loaded 6th October 2011, 13:50 Quote
To me, it was quite shocking to find out how ill he actually was when he stepped down. I knew he wasn't in the best of health, but the way it was portrayed made me think he'd have been around for at least the next 5 years or so. It's always sad to see someone with such talent die so young.

As for the joke, I didn't feel the writer intended it to be in bad taste. It personally made me smile, but for others it's still way too early. Give it a few weeks at least.
dyzophoria 6th October 2011, 13:51 Quote
I hate apple, but there is no reason to make fun with someone who has just died, its sad and pathetic that there is not a tiny bit of respect left in you.

back to the topic

RIP Steve Jobs
hexx 6th October 2011, 13:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
...it was making fun of Apple's company policies...

Do you know something we don't? AFAIK flash is missing only on iOS and it's missing due to it's poor performance. Adobe was approached by Apple in 2007 regarding mobile version of Flash, it's 2011 and Flash on mobiles is still everything but perfect.
alpaca 6th October 2011, 13:53 Quote
So, Apple (and Jobs, as they are heavily intertwined) bashing is OK, as long as he (Jobs, as Apple is quite healty now) is only deadly ill, not dead.

I kinda wanted to point that out.

Also, I'd like to add that I too, thought he was a great innovator, the guy that made computers cool. Not the kind I own or want, but cool anyway.
hexx 6th October 2011, 13:53 Quote
that being said it doesn't seem like a 'policy' but rather common sense
Krikkit 6th October 2011, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by 3lusive
Well said. I agree with that 100%.

As do I.

Not that the ban for pirate was undeserved - the trolling is utterly unacceptable. The joke, however, was very reasonable and as tasteful as possible.

Get a grip people, if you can't cope with a light bit of humour like that then what in goodness are you doing in the real world?
Zinfandel 6th October 2011, 14:06 Quote
For some reason, this made me really sad.

http://i.imgur.com/9ZwJt.jpg
Tim S 6th October 2011, 14:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krikkit
As do I.

Not that the ban for pirate was undeserved - the trolling is utterly unacceptable. The joke, however, was very reasonable and as tasteful as possible.

Get a grip people, if you can't cope with a light bit of humour like that then what in goodness are you doing in the real world?

This was my feeling on the matter - the joke wasn't what brought the banhammer down, it was what followed afterwards. The joke actually made me smile a little, but it was the stoking of the fire and continuation of that afterwards which made me feel that was the action required.

With that said, there is no place for the insults that flowed in mighty_pirate's and unfortunately mighty_pirate has been singled out for reacting - rather than reporting - to those insults, but he was not alone.
wuyanxu 6th October 2011, 14:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
To me, it was quite shocking to find out how ill he actually was when he stepped down.

this picture was taken not soon after Jobs' retirement. this level of dedication commands respect.

that is why i find any joke in this thread is inappropriate. at least way too soon, not in official News thread, in the linked General discussion thread makes more sense.

http://whatswithjeff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Steve_Jobs_photo_sick_ill_cancer.jpg
Guinevere 6th October 2011, 14:18 Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPhLqwKo6g

Edit: Wuyanxy, any change you'd be willing to remove the picture? It available elsewhere for all to see (Hey include a link if you think it's important), but the guys just died. Having some low life sleaze-ball paparazzi shot of him towards the end is pretty low. Plus the photos been doctored as his right arm is a paste job and there's all sorts of edit artefacts. Doctored or not, he wouldn't have wanted this photo put out.

He had the big C. It f**ks you right up. He chose to put on a brave face and not show how ill he really was to the world. I can respect that. Shame the f**kwit that took the pic didn't, same goes for the double f**kwit who photoshopped it.

I hope I have as half as much dignity at SJ when it's my turn to go.
Tim S 6th October 2011, 14:19 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
this picture was taken not soon after Jobs' retirement. this level of dedication commands respect.

that is why i find any joke in this thread is inappropriate. at least way too soon, not in official News thread, in the linked General discussion thread makes more sense.

http://whatswithjeff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Steve_Jobs_photo_sick_ill_cancer.jpg

That picture brings back haunting memories for me when I lost my wife to stage IV bowel cancer in July 2008 after an 18 month fight. Cancer is a b*****d of a disease and it literally sucks the life out of the sufferer.
Bladestorm 6th October 2011, 14:32 Quote
I think it's never good to hear a person died, even if I don't have any real feelings on that one in particular.

Knowing that he only stepped down recently I was amazed to hear he had been battling the cancer since 2004. That shows some pretty serious dedication right there.

I must admit I'm in the camp that smiled a bit when I read the joke though the fighting thereafter made me frown far more.
tom_hargreaves 6th October 2011, 14:52 Quote
Every Apple store should quickly have the huge greyscale image of him put on the wall.
Fujukami 6th October 2011, 15:20 Quote
R.I.P. Steve Jobs, enough said.
Snips 6th October 2011, 15:22 Quote
How the hell does a Steve Jobs topic get links to a girl killing herself in Berkshire?

FFS Bit-tech get your sh!t together!

R.I.P. Steve Jobs
fata1_666 6th October 2011, 15:26 Quote
Ive had the pleasure of using many an ipod iphone 3gs and a mac mini over the years and the fact that they "just work" simple point and go. Jobs made microsoft sit up and listen to how things should be in the computer industry. and its still something micrsoft lack i feel.
adidan 6th October 2011, 15:29 Quote
Shame.

As for those who are complaining about jokes, why the hell not?

Me and my brother were making jokes about the undertakers carrying my dad down the bend in the stairs the night he died, and we loved him dearly.

Light hearted humour is a natural defense mechanism where death and mortality are concerned.

Good on you Jobs, I never owned a Mac, an iphone or an ipad but I appreciated your ingenuity.
Snips 6th October 2011, 15:31 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by adidan
Shame.

As for those who are complaining about jokes, why the hell not?

Me and my brother were making jokes about the undertakers carrying my dad down the bend in the stairs the night he died, and we loved him dearly.

Light hearted humour is a natural defense mechanism where death and mortality are concerned.

Good on you Jobs, I never owned a Mac, an iphone or an ipad but I appreciated your ingenuity.

+1
SMIFFYDUDE 6th October 2011, 15:36 Quote
+another
Daedelus 6th October 2011, 15:38 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unicorn


Unbelievable lack of respect and insensitivity - I would also like to publically voice my disgust at how inappropriate your comments are (you too, Daedelus)

You're "disgusted"? Really? Jobs would have had a wry little smile at that one. Anyone else getting 'upset by proxy' needs to get a grip. You didn't even know him.

I don't see how making a light-hearted joke and respecting the guy are mutually exclusive.
Daedelus 6th October 2011, 15:44 Quote
Anyway, to move on.....

I don't own any Apple products, I find them overpriced and I don't like the way you have to "buy-in" to the whole Apple culture in order to get the most out of their products BUT there is no doubt that in terms of bringing to market products that consumers want, both style- and technology-wise, Apple and Jobs have been true innovators.

Without Apple & Jobs, no doubt these products would have found their way to market eventually, under a different guise, but they certainly changed to public's perception toward consumer electronics.
mclean007 6th October 2011, 15:45 Quote
Poignant that Microsoft.com and Google.com, the homepages of two of Apple's greatest competitors, both mark Jobs' passing - quite a feat, particularly to make move Google to make an exception to their golden rule of a minimalist homepage, and testament to just how much influence this man had on the entire tech industry.
MjFrosty 6th October 2011, 15:50 Quote
RIP Steve. One of the biggest contributors to the industry.

Would the so-called almighty righteous joke police pack it in. The flash joke wasn't in that bad taste (I think he would laugh at it)

Stop trying to be the hero.
Redbeaver 6th October 2011, 15:52 Quote
Good light humour is acceptable as different people cope differently.

But disrespectful, tasteless, and overall ignorant jokes are not.

Are people really not smart enough to tell the difference? THINK before you talk is arguably hard, but think before you type something in a public internet forum is NOT.

Sorry, had to vent a little there.

RIP Steve. You did well. Real well.
Redbeaver 6th October 2011, 15:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by MjFrosty
RIP Steve. One of the biggest contributors to the industry.

Would the so-called almighty righteous joke police pack it in. The flash joke wasn't in that bad taste (I think he would laugh at it)

Stop trying to be the hero.
IMHO flash joke wasn't a bad taste. following-up with claiming how awesome he is in his pirate ego boots so he can be insensitive and call other people sensitive ignorantly...... is.
Krikkit 6th October 2011, 16:18 Quote
...And hence the banning. Let's move on people. :)
Lord-Vale3 6th October 2011, 16:30 Quote
Thanks for the innovations Steve.
Senilex 6th October 2011, 16:50 Quote
I think Steve is going to be buried in a "precision aluminum unibody enclosure".
Ayrto 6th October 2011, 16:50 Quote
R.I.P

A little early to talk about the future , but no doubt , it'll now be interesting to see how Apple copes without its mythical , Willy wonka-esque, talismanic helmsman. Can't imagine things will be the same.
KidMod-Southpaw 6th October 2011, 17:29 Quote
RIP Steve
I didn't like Apple, but anyone can admit- he bloody well knew how to sell a product. He was able to get ahead of the market curve, producing the products that fit perfectly and that so many desire. A true genius.

Only one question remains:
What will Apple continue to produce without him?
capmoq 6th October 2011, 17:29 Quote
R.I.P
Farfalho 6th October 2011, 17:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

Although funny, too soon! (For some people to appreciate it as you could see)

I've been molested by FB announcements all over the recent activity and got tired, not by the fact he died so many times but it's really too much.
The guy did prestigious work, credit where it's due, and as most of people commenting, the Apple part is the one with most controversy (i'm one of the against attitude) but the other accomplishments are truly remarkable. A visionary has been lost, it's a sad day for some, a meh event for others. As a living being as he was, my deepest condolences to his family and friends and as every one, may he rest in peace (maybe not because of his entrepreneur spirit) and that's it.

Give it a few days and the internet will be filled of jokes, for the time being avoid some not because of you taking the risk of being funny but of hurting someone's feelings
thehippoz 6th October 2011, 17:36 Quote
hate to see that picture of him so frail.. he led a pretty full life though- much better than most and will be remembered (even for his trolly ways) and innovations

you could see the gears were always turning in his head when he was out in public.. what I liked about him anyways.. his public image was almost perfect too

geez this thread got out of control fast!
Farfalho 6th October 2011, 17:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senilex
I think Steve is going to be buried in a "precision aluminum unibody enclosure".

Sorry for the double post but this one was funny too x'D
Mighty Yoshimi 6th October 2011, 18:14 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

I thought it was pretty funny. I just don't know how i'm supposed to respect someone who brought misery to many thousands of Foxconn workers to raise the most capital possible.

Some would even say it was Karma given he was a buddist.
xMathiasD 6th October 2011, 18:18 Quote
iRIP !
Nexxo 6th October 2011, 18:20 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
I thought it was pretty funny. I just don't know how i'm supposed to respect someone who brought misery to many thousands of Foxconn workers to raise the most capital possible.

Some would even say it was Karma given he was a buddist.

You do too, in your own modest consumerist way. Every time you want your gadgets cheaper. Or do you think Foxconn only makes Apple products?
Ayrto 6th October 2011, 18:38 Quote
The suicides at Foxconn , as tragic as they are, must say something about Chinese culture too. A culture in which people feel they just can't quit a job.

As Nexxo points out, we're all hypocrites. Electronic goods are so price sensitive, how many motherboards/Graphics cards etc would people buy if they were made here under nice labour conditions(good eh) , but then we found out that the price had tripled?
rocket 6th October 2011, 19:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

that is deep
Mighty Yoshimi 6th October 2011, 20:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
You do too, in your own modest consumerist way. Every time you want your gadgets cheaper. Or do you think Foxconn only makes Apple products?

I try to source the most ethical of products.
M7ck 6th October 2011, 20:56 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
I try to source the most ethical of products.

What mobo do you own? Regardless of your answer I can be sure that Foxconn supplied a lot of its parts.
digitaldave 6th October 2011, 21:12 Quote
listen to the speech, he never had a free ride got nothing given to him, was adopted as a new born baby and went on to make himself into a person who arguably changed the world, he really did.

no rich mummy and daddy giving him everything, he did all that himself and as you would expect it was no easy ride.

you make your own destiny, steve jobs shows everyone just what you can do and achieve by doing it yourself.

stay hungry
Floyd 6th October 2011, 21:19 Quote
iSAD
RIP Steve. I never bought anything you made but I still thought you were a stand up guy.
Tim S 6th October 2011, 21:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by M7ck
What mobo do you own? Regardless of your answer I can be sure that Foxconn supplied a lot of its parts.

Yep, Foxconn's everywhere. CPU sockets, USB ports, Ethernet sockets, memory slots, PCIe slots, etc - they're more than likely all made by Foxconn :)
Mighty Yoshimi 6th October 2011, 21:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by M7ck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
I try to source the most ethical of products.

What mobo do you own? Regardless of your answer I can be sure that Foxconn supplied a lot of its parts.

ASUS. The difference is I've had that motherboard for knocking on 6 years and I'm TRYING to buy the most ethical products and limit the amount of technology i consume. I know that many products share standard parts manufactured in less than humane environments but there's not a lot I can do about that except boycott technology completely which isn't an option. My issue with Apple/Foxconn is the HUGE margins Apple make on their products enough that they accumulate more Available Capital than the US Government yet still find it acceptable to be associated with a manufacture that forces it's employees to;

-Sign away their rights to Legal limits on working hours;
-Force employees to sign a document saying they will not commit suicide and if they do families will claim minimal compensation
-Make many of them work 80+ hours a week.
-Force them to live in dorm like accomodation in triple layer bunk beds with many to a room.
-Not allow any talking during working.
-Not rotate shifts so people are doing the same mundane task for many hours on end.
-Put up cages and install stress buster dummies in a room to help prevent suicide.

From what i can gather Apple use Foxconn to produce/build all of their iPhones and iPods.

It's utterly disgusting. This is why as a consumer of electrical goods I try my best to research the most ethical manufacturers and source products from them.
DriftCarl 6th October 2011, 21:47 Quote
There is no reason for me to say RIP about Steve jobs, because if I did for him I would have no reason not to start saying it to every other poor sod that died yesterday, everyone is just as important as each other ant certain people don't deserve special treatment.
He was one of many people who have helped turn around a business and in his condition, probably didn't have all that much involvement in apple products over the last year, maybe only in an approval factor.

I still dont get why some people feel so attached to someone they have never met and probably not even been within 1000 miles of him. It is pretty shocking that some people have so much money that they can just leave an ipad at one of the street shrines with a candle graphic on it. No doubt the ipad wont be there tomorrow.
digitaldave 6th October 2011, 22:16 Quote
carl, all the money in the world is out there ready for you to go and get it.

all you have to do is make it happen, nobody will just give you it but they are all giving it to someone. . . . . .

jealousy is a horrid thing, you too can make enough money for yourself to throw away 500 pound without a care, anyone can, most just dont have the balls to even try.
Ayrto 6th October 2011, 22:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by DriftCarl
I still dont get why some people feel so attached to someone they have never met and probably not even been within 1000 miles of him.

They don't, if you put it like that. But with so many callous trolls online. It doesn't hurt to show you're not one of them does it.
Mighty Yoshimi 6th October 2011, 22:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by DriftCarl
There is no reason for me to say RIP about Steve jobs, because if I did for him I would have no reason not to start saying it to every other poor sod that died yesterday, everyone is just as important as each other ant certain people don't deserve special treatment.
He was one of many people who have helped turn around a business and in his condition, probably didn't have all that much involvement in apple products over the last year, maybe only in an approval factor.

I still dont get why some people feel so attached to someone they have never met and probably not even been within 1000 miles of him. It is pretty shocking that some people have so much money that they can just leave an ipad at one of the street shrines with a candle graphic on it. No doubt the ipad wont be there tomorrow.

+1 My Thoughts exactly We are all human at the end of day and should respect each other to the same extent.
M7ck 6th October 2011, 22:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi

It's utterly disgusting. This is why as a consumer of electrical goods I try my best to research the most ethical manufacturers and source products from them.

I didn't really want to start an argument in this thread but I smell BS.

What has your research uncovered? Who are the most ethical manufacturers? And what wonderful guilt free products can we buy from them?

EDIT

Just in case you do decide to give an answer (which I doubt) could you please state your source.
jimmyjj 6th October 2011, 22:53 Quote
Whatever else the guy was or was not he was a human being with a family. That is enough to just give the guy some respect and move on.

Says something about our community that we all feel we have to make some point or another or make or defend a tasteless joke.

Sometimes Bit Tech is no better than any other faceless forum full of internet dipsh!ts,
Mighty Yoshimi 6th October 2011, 22:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by M7ck
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi

It's utterly disgusting. This is why as a consumer of electrical goods I try my best to research the most ethical manufacturers and source products from them.

I didn't really want to start an argument in this thread but I smell BS.

What has your research uncovered? Who are the most ethical manufacturers? And what wonderful guilt free products can we buy from them?

EDIT

Just in case you do decide to give an answer (which I doubt) could you please state your source.

6 Years ago when I got my computer I just used google to research providers corporate responsibility statement and checked to see they were complicit with it with google searches. Nowadays i Just use ethical consumer.

You seem to be missing the point, I merely said I TRY to buy the most ethical of products not that i won't buy it if it's unethical. Apple just happens to be very unethical. Surely it's better to have a product that's made with 10% of the parts manufactured in unethical factories than it is a product where 90% of the product is made in hellish conditions.

Now stop being pedantic, I only said TRY!
Unicorn 6th October 2011, 23:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Daedelus
You're "disgusted"? Really? Jobs would have had a wry little smile at that one. Anyone else getting 'upset by proxy' needs to get a grip. You didn't even know him.

I don't see how making a light-hearted joke and respecting the guy are mutually exclusive.

I'm disgusted that the tragic death of a guy who had and still has so much respect from so many people around the world after a long and hard battle with cancer has to be turned into a f**king joke like everything else on the Internet. Internet equals anonymity and anonymity equals rudeness, arrogance and disrespect every time something bad happens which in the real world would demand and get the respect that it deserves.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIGHT HEARTED JOKE" ABOUT SOMEONE DYING FROM CANCER.
Nexxo 6th October 2011, 23:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
ASUS. The difference is I've had that motherboard for knocking on 6 years and I'm TRYING to buy the most ethical products and limit the amount of technology i consume. I know that many products share standard parts manufactured in less than humane environments but there's not a lot I can do about that except boycott technology completely which isn't an option. My issue with Apple/Foxconn is the HUGE margins Apple make on their products enough that they accumulate more Available Capital than the US Government yet still find it acceptable to be associated with a manufacture that forces it's employees to;

-Sign away their rights to Legal limits on working hours;
-Force employees to sign a document saying they will not commit suicide and if they do families will claim minimal compensation
-Make many of them work 80+ hours a week.
-Force them to live in dorm like accomodation in triple layer bunk beds with many to a room.
-Not allow any talking during working.
-Not rotate shifts so people are doing the same mundane task for many hours on end.
-Put up cages and install stress buster dummies in a room to help prevent suicide.

From what i can gather Apple use Foxconn to produce/build all of their iPhones and iPods.

It's utterly disgusting. This is why as a consumer of electrical goods I try my best to research the most ethical manufacturers and source products from them.
And you think that other companies don't? Do you drink Coca Cola? Wear GAP clothes? Eat tinned tuna? How Fairtrade is your coffee? You buy veggies from Kenia or Chile? Shop at supermarkets? Where does the petrol in your car come from, Iraq perchance?

And if Apple makes such huge profits, how come no competitor has been able to make a product of comparable quality for significantly less? See any decent 10" tablets for under £200,--lately? Seen any cheaper smartphones of comparable build quality? Of course not. All companies are working on the same principles. If you don't buy Apple, you'll have to not buy most gadgets. Or is your Apple hate just your token act of morality?
sp4nky 6th October 2011, 23:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unicorn
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIGHT HEARTED JOKE" ABOUT SOMEONE DYING FROM CANCER.
Yes there is. Listen to Lou Reed's album Magic & Loss, which he wrote after two of his friends died of cancer. It's an overwhelmingly sad and poignant tribute to them but there are lighthearted moments.
Ayrto 6th October 2011, 23:17 Quote
To be fair , it's not as though there is much choice other than to buy from the far east manufacturers . As Mighty Yoshimi says , conditions and practices do vary even amongst the big electronics companies out there. With the Foxconn Shenzhen factory often mentioned as having the worst working practices of the lot. quote:

Buddhist monks were brought in to cleanse the factory of evil spirits. Most famously the company put up nets around workers’ dormitories, and created a somewhat dubious “no suicide” contract all employees were required to sign:
M7ck 6th October 2011, 23:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
6 Years ago when I got my computer I just used google to research providers corporate responsibility statement and checked to see they were complicit with it with google searches. Nowadays i Just use ethical consumer.

You seem to be missing the point, I merely said I TRY to buy the most ethical of products not that i won't buy it if it's unethical. Apple just happens to be very unethical. Surely it's better to have a product that's made with 10% of the parts manufactured in unethical factories than it is a product where 90% of the product is made in hellish conditions.

Now stop being pedantic, I only said TRY!

Lots of talking but have given no answers. Can you name any ethical (iyo) company you can buy hardware from?

I am not being pedantic, you made the statement that apple is not an ethical company and use the foxconn conditions as a basis for this. You then say you try to seek out ethical company's, now my little apple hating cupcake, how hard are you really trying?

What do you drive? What clothes do you wear? What do you drink? What do you eat? Do you own and video consoles? What mobile phone do you own? What television do you own? What footwear do you own?

Now if you have answered any if those, then maybe you can answer this question. Are you really trying or did you just use this example as a way to bash apple because you are just a hypocritical know nothing?
Snips 6th October 2011, 23:37 Quote
I think it best Bit-Tech close this thread as too many assholes are preaching and/or going way off topic and/or getting accused of trolling.
mute1 6th October 2011, 23:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
This was my feeling on the matter - the joke wasn't what brought the banhammer down, it was what followed afterwards. The joke actually made me smile a little, but it was the stoking of the fire and continuation of that afterwards which made me feel that was the action required.

With that said, there is no place for the insults that flowed in mighty_pirate's and unfortunately mighty_pirate has been singled out for reacting - rather than reporting - to those insults, but he was not alone.

Spot on. The joke was fine. People who are disgusted need to get a grip. His other comments deserved the ban.

I don't think Jobs was an innovator. Marketing genius maybe.
Sad news all the same.
Cancer is an evil thing.
jimmyjj 6th October 2011, 23:53 Quote
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smc8788 7th October 2011, 00:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unicorn
I'm disgusted that the tragic death of a guy who had and still has so much respect from so many people around the world after a long and hard battle with cancer has to be turned into a f**king joke like everything else on the Internet. Internet equals anonymity and anonymity equals rudeness, arrogance and disrespect every time something bad happens which in the real world would demand and get the respect that it deserves.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIGHT HEARTED JOKE" ABOUT SOMEONE DYING FROM CANCER.

No offense intended Unicorn, but you could do with being less sanctimonious and should try to understand that your opinion doesn't necessarily equate to that of everyone else on this forum. In particular, you should go back and read the posts of those who have lost people to cancer or other terrible diseases - I've been there, and a light hearted joke has a way of cutting through the sadness like nothing else could at a time like that. We all need cheering up at some point and jokes are one way of doing that.

Of course there are less tasteful jokes which go too far and I would never condone those - for instance if it had been making fun of the man, his family, other cancer suffers or celebrating his death in some way then I would probably be agreeing with you, but I think you (and others) are blowing an innocent joke way, way out of proportion here. Just because someone laughs at a joke doesn't mean they respect them any less than they did before they read it.
Unicorn 7th October 2011, 00:50 Quote
Well I must be on the other end of the scale then, because I've lost close friends and family to cancer too, and anyone making jokes about those people, no matter how "well intended" or light hearted they may be would have the same effect if not worse on me. I'm not being sanctimonious, I just happen to think it's an incredibly insensitive and disrespectful thing. Apparently I'm alone in this; sad that. All I wanted was one thread where something sad didn't have to be joked about in any way. One thread where people could pay their respects, say something nice and reflect on the life of a legend. Once again I have expected too much of the Internet. My fault, really.

This all started with the "I hate Apple but yeah, RIP Steve Jobs" crap which is almost as stupid as the jokes tbh.

I'm going to leave it alone now - If you feel that I've blown this entirely out of proportion, I am truly sorry. I stand by my morals and deny sanctimony though. I feel it was way too soon for jokes and that jokes about the dead are uncalled for in the first place.
jimmyjj 7th October 2011, 01:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unicorn
All I wanted was one thread where something sad didn't have to be joked about in any way. One thread where people could pay their respects, say something nice and reflect on the life of a legend. Once again I have expected too much of the Internet. My fault, really.

I am with you buddy, but yes you expected too much.
Waynio 7th October 2011, 01:15 Quote
How about that I can relate to what he says about finding something you love doing & dropping education , he got onto what he loved doing early I got onto something I love at an age when he just got fired from apple . Glad he did get fired from his own company otherwise pixar animations might never have come about & some of those movies have been some of the best from the west for some time imo, had no idea he created pixar wow :D.

100% Awesome speech in the video RIP Steve, did some kickass things in his life as well as raise a family, in my books thats an awesome dude & an awesome inspiration to others :) plus he was a big cheese who wore jeans & trainers instead of uptight mega expensive suits :D.

I've never owned an apple product & have no plans to but heaps love the brand & has made a haaauuuuuuge impact in the tech world but I've got a good few pixar animations :D, awesome modern innovator & a good line from presobama :).

I'll always say it the big C is a mofo & the worlds biggest mass murderer that needs a serious can of whoopass unleashing on it, lost 2 loved ones this year from it & hear all the time of people getting it :( it's shocking, sad & quite scary how it turns vibrant full of life people weak so fast.

I respect anything & everything as long as it doesn't step on toes badly, sure many die from C but this guy was an innovator in tech land & this is a tech site, I don't understand why people being weird about this, not like he was some irritating celebrity who did jack sheet, he was someone who made some awesome stuff happen even if I do find when people refer to an mp3 player as an ipod as if it was the only mp3 player ever created just a little irritating :D but nonetheless that speaks huge volumes of just how successful he made apples products .
Waynio 7th October 2011, 01:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
I am with you buddy, but yes you expected too much.

Me too :).

Trolls get everywhere though even on awesome sites like this :(.
jimmyjj 7th October 2011, 01:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Waynio
How about that I can relate to what he says about finding something you love doing & dropping education , he got onto what he loved doing early I got onto something I love at an age when he just got fired from apple . Glad he did get fired from his own company otherwise pixar animations might never have come about & some of those movies have been some of the best from the west for some time imo, had no idea he created pixar wow :D.

100% Awesome speech in the video RIP Steve, did some kickass things in his life as well as raise a family, in my books thats an awesome dude & an awesome inspiration to others :) plus he was a big cheese who wore jeans & trainers instead of uptight mega expensive suits :D.

I've never owned an apple product & have no plans to but heaps love the brand & has made a haaauuuuuuge impact in the tech world but I've got a good few pixar animations :D, awesome modern innovator & a good line from presobama :).

I'll always say it the big C is a mofo & the worlds biggest mass murderer that needs a serious can of whoopass unleashing on it, lost 2 loved ones this year from it & hear all the time of people getting it :( it's shocking, sad & quite scary how it turns vibrant full of life people weak so fast.

I respect anything & everything as long as it doesn't step on toes badly, sure many die from C but this guy was an innovator in tech land & this is a tech site, I don't understand why people being weird about this, not like he was some irritating celebrity who did jack sheet, he was someone who made some awesome stuff happen even if I do find when people refer to an mp3 player as an ipod as if it was the only mp3 player ever created just a little irritating :D but nonetheless that speaks huge volumes of just how successful he made apples products .

Good god, a decent post in this thread.

Beautiful mate. Respect.
Hovis 7th October 2011, 01:39 Quote
From what I've seen of the conditions those Chinese workers have to suffer to make Apple products I can honestly say I'm glad he's dead and, though I'm not a religious man, I do hope that, if there's an afterlife of some kind, he spends it with a pitchfork up his bum.

Seriously guys I don't give a crap how swanky your phones are. The guy knowingly, deliberately, employed slave labour. That should be unforgivable in the eyes of anybody with a decent level of respect for human life.

Honestly I find it disgusting and embarrassing that anybody can have anything positive to say about a man who was happy to see such cruelty inflicted just to increase his profit margins (because you can bet Apple never passed a saving onto the consumer in their history). With the profile Apple had they could have changed the rules, run a factory with some standards, some ethics, with good conditions. But no, work those poor unfortunates like dogs and pocket the difference.

I wonder if, as a Buddhist, he appreciated the apparent karma of his slow, lingering demise.
Unknownsock 7th October 2011, 08:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
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Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Apparently they're going to bury him quickly & quietly, in a plain coffin. Nothing Flash.

I thought it was pretty funny. I just don't know how i'm supposed to respect someone who brought misery to many thousands of Foxconn workers to raise the most capital possible.

Some would even say it was Karma given he was a buddist.

Oh god...pure ignorance at it's worst.
Mighty Yoshimi 7th October 2011, 09:04 Quote
Again many of you missed the point. I didn't say I don't buy a product just because some part of the production is unethical. I merely try to buy the product which is produced by companies with better ethical reputations. Most electronics will have components sourced from horrific factories but is it better to buy the product which is has a larger number of unethically produced components or one with less? Big companies like Apple, Sony, Gigabyte etc which have questionable ethics should, feel they have a social responsibility yet many of them are too profit driven to care.

I try to limit my consumerism and where possible buy fairtrade foods. I'll pay more for a product if I know that it's more ethically produced.

I'm sure most people who use this internet forum are in the Top 10% globally in terms of quality of living index, we are conditioned to consume and believe that material possestions are linked to status and happiness.

Much of my dislike for unethical means of production stem from my years living in Abu Dhabi, where many Asian workers were maltreated and underpaid.
Nexxo 7th October 2011, 09:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hovis
From what I've seen of the conditions those Chinese workers have to suffer to make Apple products I can honestly say I'm glad he's dead and, though I'm not a religious man, I do hope that, if there's an afterlife of some kind, he spends it with a pitchfork up his bum.

Seriously guys I don't give a crap how swanky your phones are. The guy knowingly, deliberately, employed slave labour. That should be unforgivable in the eyes of anybody with a decent level of respect for human life.

Honestly I find it disgusting and embarrassing that anybody can have anything positive to say about a man who was happy to see such cruelty inflicted just to increase his profit margins (because you can bet Apple never passed a saving onto the consumer in their history). With the profile Apple had they could have changed the rules, run a factory with some standards, some ethics, with good conditions. But no, work those poor unfortunates like dogs and pocket the difference.

I wonder if, as a Buddhist, he appreciated the apparent karma of his slow, lingering demise.

It is indeed a pity that he did not use the powerful position of his company to set a good example, just as it is a pity he hid a $5000,-- bonus from his early business partner Wozniak, and refused to recognise his daughter born out of wedlock for the first two years of her life. The guy was not a saint. But who is?

Bill Gates invented the EULA. It is said that when the devil first came across a Windows licence agreement, he sent a copy down to that department in Hell that deals with the selling of souls with a post-it attached saying: "Learn, guys". And every other company that you have a casual consumer relationship with engages in practices like patent trolling, maximising profit margins (which are not as big as you'd think, by the way), exploiting developing countries and generally selling crap to the consumer, crippled by economic rather than design considerations and proprietary closed formats to shut out competitors.

Fact is: they are all at it. And it's driven by the share holders: ordinary folk like yourself. If Jobs had decided to be more ethical about his practices, you can bet that shareholders would have pulled out faster than a bloke who's just been told by his girl that come to think of it, she forgot to take the pill.

So sorry, but your disapproval of Jobs is just a token act of morality. Living a virtuous life has a lot more to do with your own actions than those of others. If Jobs deserved cancer, than what does Bush Jr. deserve? Or Tony Blair? Or the CEO of BAE or Coca Cola or Tesco? Or Walt Disney? Or Richard Branson? Or all their millions of shareholders, from wealthy speculators to that nice retired couple that tries to provide for their old age? The list could go on.
Nexxo 7th October 2011, 09:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
Again many of you missed the point. I didn't say I don't buy a product just because some part of the production is unethical. I merely try to buy the product which is produced by companies with better ethical reputations. Most electronics will have components sourced from horrific factories but is it better to buy the product which is has a larger number of unethically produced components or one with less? Big companies like Apple, Sony, Gigabyte etc which have questionable ethics should, feel they have a social responsibility yet many of them are too profit driven to care.

I try to limit my consumerism and where possible buy fairtrade foods. I'll pay more for a product if I know that it's more ethically produced.

I'm sure most people who use this internet forum are in the Top 10% globally in terms of quality of living index, we are conditioned to consume and believe that material possestions are linked to status and happiness.

Much of my dislike for unethical means of production stem from my years living in Abu Dhabi, where many Asian workers were maltreated and underpaid.
I applaud your principles, or more precisely, that you actually act on them. That's good. Don't buy Apple products if its practices offend you. But don't go around wishing ill on strangers because you think they could have behaved better. Watch your own actions-- they are the ones you are responsible for.
Mighty Yoshimi 7th October 2011, 09:29 Quote
In summary, I don't hate Apple, It's just Apple has never produced a product that's been the most fit for my purposes.

Sadly capitalism causes exploitation more often than not, thinking about it it's not necessarily Steve Job's doing it's the shareholders that demand more and more capital.

This sums it up really

http://anticap.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ed4a754f.png
M7ck 7th October 2011, 09:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
In summary, I don't hate Apple, It's just Apple has never produced a product that's been the most fit for my purposes.

Sadly capitalism causes exploitation more often than not, thinking about it it's not necessarily Steve Job's doing it's the shareholders that demand more and more capital.

Are you off your high horse now? Can you please now name one manufacturer that you believe is ethical and to whom you source products from (after all you have stated this is what you have done), It is the least you could do since you pissed on a thread about the passing of Steve jobs using this
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi
I just don't know how i'm supposed to respect someone who brought misery to many thousands of Foxconn workers to raise the most capital possible.

Some would even say it was Karma given he was a buddist.

as your reason.

Or are you man enough to admit that you really don't give a sh!t about these chinese workers and just buy whatever suits you or whatever you can afford, and that you just used the Foxconn workers as an excuse to be disrespectful to Steve Jobs and Apple?

You keep dodging the question, is this because you are talking BS and do not have an answer?
Digi 7th October 2011, 10:02 Quote
Glad to see some people are being level headed about this. I have to say I was totally apathetic on hearing the news. He wasn't family and he wasn't a friend. Yes it sucks when someone dies but there is no reason why 1 man should get more attention than the thousands that die around the world every day - most, entirely preventable if companies like his put some money in the right places. I'm no hippy but I think it's ridiculous.

And I could not supress a chuckle at Pirates little comment, it was definitely on the ball. The trolling that followed after was pushing it though! :P
rogerrabbits 7th October 2011, 10:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by jimmyjj
Whatever else the guy was or was not he was a human being with a family. That is enough to just give the guy some respect and move on.

Says something about our community that we all feel we have to make some point or another or make or defend a tasteless joke.

Sometimes Bit Tech is no better than any other faceless forum full of internet dipsh!ts,

Oh bit tech is the worst place of all, make no mistake. You should look up the michael jackson thread. They ripped that guy to shreds while the body was still warm. The moderators obviously thrive off jokes about dead people. As long as they are tasteful of course.... yep. Tasteful jokes about a guy that just died of cancer in his 50's.
Snips 7th October 2011, 10:29 Quote
Nexxo, why mention Bill Gates in such tone in this thread? and you're a moderator here, so you should know better.
Mighty Yoshimi 7th October 2011, 10:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by M7ck
Can you please now name one manufacturer that you believe is ethical and to whom you source products from (after all you have stated this is what you have done), It is the least you could do since you pissed on a thread about the passing of Steve jobs using this

You're quite hostile aren't you? You're still missing the point. I didn't say there was a particullar company that is entirely ethical did I? I merely stated that there are some companies that are more ethical than others.

I'll give you an anology seeing as you seem to be struggling with this concept. Jack and Gill both own cars, Jacks car is a 4X4 with a 4.8 litre engine in the highest tax band. Gills Car is a VW Bluemotion in the lowest (or no) tax bracket. Which one is better for the enviroment?

My computer is made by Asus & Intel & Western digital. My RAM is G.Skill. Everything bar my graphics card is nearly 6 years old inside my computer. I have a HTC Desire mobile phone which I'll run into the ground before I upgrade. I buy clothes at either Next, Austin Reed, M&S which are all praised for being amoung the MOST ethical in the UK.

I don't drive, I take public transport everywhere. I try where possible to consume fair trade foods.

I already told you I use Ethical Consumer to make my purchase choices. I'm subscribed. If there's a report that isn't up to date a quick google usually reveals the best and the worst in that given field.



Perhaps we should start another thread with regards to this?
M7ck 7th October 2011, 10:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi

Perhaps we should start another thread with regards to this?

No need.

You have confirmed that you are indeed a hypocrite.

Is HTC more ethical than apple?
Snips 7th October 2011, 10:45 Quote
He's already answered your out of topic question already, so leave him alone.
M7ck 7th October 2011, 10:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
He's already answered your out of topic question already, so leave him alone.

I know, read my previous post. I finished with a rhetorical question, I don't need to hear from the hypocrite again.
wuyanxu 7th October 2011, 10:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
He's already answered your out of topic question already, so leave him alone.
but no one will leave Apple alone for doing exactly the same as every other company: make profit.

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Originally Posted by Hovis
From what I've seen of the conditions those Chinese workers have to suffer to make Apple products I can honestly say I'm glad he's dead and, though I'm not a religious man, I do hope that, if there's an afterlife of some kind, he spends it with a pitchfork up his bum.

this is the kind of thing that disgust me. people who have no idea talking like this. Foxconn is by far better place to work than many other factories over there.
Snips 7th October 2011, 11:10 Quote
Again, it's going off topic.

Are there really no moderators here to put an end to this topic?
smc8788 7th October 2011, 12:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by M7ck
I know, read my previous post. I finished with a rhetorical question, I don't need to hear from the hypocrite again.

Dude don't be that guy, you may have had a point in the beginning but now you're just coming across as an ass. The guy explained his opinion (several times, in fact), why he felt that way and what he did to try and act on it. The fact you keep berating him over it says more about you than it does about him, however - either you didn't read his subsequent posts properly or you're just deliberately trying to antagonise him now.
M7ck 7th October 2011, 12:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by smc8788
Dude don't be that guy, you may have had a point in the beginning but now you're just coming across as an ass. The guy explained his opinion (several times, in fact), why he felt that way and what he did to try and act on it. The fact you keep berating him over it says more about you than it does about him, however - either you didn't read his subsequent posts properly or you're just deliberately trying to antagonise him now.

I don't want to be that guy but I did ask him to name a Company that he felt was ethical and to whom he sourced a product from he danced around before he actually named one on his last post. I kept 'berating' him as he never did answer the questions.

EDIT

If I had a point in the beginning surely I still have a point as I have not changed my stance?
[PUNK] crompers 7th October 2011, 12:27 Quote
Whilst I'd never wish anyone dead or make overly offensive jokes publically (what gets said between my friends is another matter). I do find the out pouring of emotion that the internet generates when someone famous dies very phoney and brings to mind words such as "Diana".

Its all part of the mystique that Apple have built up which seems to turn well thought out consumer electronics into a religious experience for some people, im sure Jobs will be become some sort of messiah to those who wait outside Apple shops eagerly awaiting the next release (or even just the opening of a shop).

When a musician or artist dies IMO they may have genuinely touched your life in some way (not just made tweeting on the train easier) but even then I find it hard to understand overly emotional reactions to the event.

RIP Steve Jobs, I wish his family and friends all the best. Now going to get on with my day.
veato 7th October 2011, 12:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi


My computer is made by Asus & Intel & Western digital. My RAM is G.Skill. Everything bar my graphics card is nearly 6 years old inside my computer. I have a HTC Desire mobile phone which I'll run into the ground before I upgrade. I buy clothes at either Next, Austin Reed, M&S which are all praised for being amoung the MOST ethical in the UK.

Foxconn clients include:

Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[16]
Apple Inc. (United States)[17]
Asus (Taiwan)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Intel (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[18]
Dell (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[17]
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[19]
Vizio (United States)

You think you're Asus and Intel products are more ethical than my iMac?
Guinevere 7th October 2011, 12:41 Quote
This threads running out of control, as such threads tend to do. I refuse to contribute further to the mayhem.
Mighty Yoshimi 7th October 2011, 13:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by veato
You think you're Asus and Intel products are more ethical than my iMac?
Those should not be on Wikipedia as they are not cited correctly anyway so could be made up.

Continuing to be off-topic. My computer is nearly 6 years old. Which for a gaming rig is pretty old. Before I bought it I researched the companies and they were rated quite highly at that time. If I do have to buy a product that is unethical I'll make it last as long as I can. I'm not one for replacing my processor once every two years etc.

It's widely known the maltreatment at the foxconn plants now so I would where possible when upgrading avoid sourcing components made with foxconn parts. Us the consumers should be demanding action. The workers over there are human too. As for the posts such as "The workers conditions at the factory are awesome compared to other places in China" aren't helpful just because it's not as bad doesn't mean it's right.

People STILL don't seem to be getting the point that some products are more unethical than others and I TRY to do my BEST to buy ethically made products and if I have to i'll make them last as long as I can until they no longer do what i need them to do or due to Planned obsolescence break down!

Sometimes you just don't know who really makes the products you buy but I make damn sure to avoid them when bad press comes to light. Can we now but an end to this off-topic discussion?
M7ck 7th October 2011, 13:18 Quote
Dude you are the one that started this discussion.
Mighty Yoshimi 7th October 2011, 13:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by M7ck
Dude you are the one that started this discussion.

You live in your own little world don't you? First of all I need to put my argument into simple terms for you to understand now you seem to think that I started the discussion!

I merely said, That Mighty_Pirates Joke made me laugh and that I didn't know how I could respect someone who contributed to the death of some and misery of others via exploitative manufacturing processes. He had plenty of chances to make apple responsible, put his foot down and say, Foxconn if you want to remain our client, You need to make X Y Z changes. Not have Cages and Nets Put up and a de-stress room and make them sign an anti-suicide contract When they should have; Cut their hours! Rotated their shifts so they aren't doing the same mundane task all day, allow them to talk to one another!

Then I went on to say,
"Some might say it was Karma" I didn't say I thought it was."

M7ck 7th October 2011, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mighty Yoshimi


I merely said, That Mighty_Pirates Joke made me laugh and that I didn't know how I could respect someone who contributed to the death of some and misery of others via exploitative manufacturing processes.

This was the start of the discussion dude, or do you disagree?
Daedelus 7th October 2011, 14:19 Quote
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "LIGHT HEARTED JOKE" ABOUT SOMEONE DYING FROM CANCER.

You sound like great fun. Let's go for a pint.
cube_ 7th October 2011, 17:57 Quote
An avid PC fan, my heart truly goes out to the GUI creator... we'll miss you Steve.
Nexxo 7th October 2011, 19:09 Quote
OK guys, let's agree to disagree. Some may feel a little sad about Steve's death, because he has a place in computer history therefore our own life history, and because it is always sad to see someone die before their time. Some feel indifferent because he is, after all, just another stranger. Some feel a sense of satisfaction because they don't like his business practices. Each to their own reflections.
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Originally Posted by Snips
Nexxo, why mention Bill Gates in such tone in this thread? and you're a moderator here, so you should know better.

In what tone? If criticising a man who just died is OK, surely criticising a man who is still alive and well is, too? Please exercise some objectivity.

To All It May Concern: I'm sorry for (y)our loss. Now move on.
Snips 8th October 2011, 15:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo

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Originally Posted by Snips
Nexxo, why mention Bill Gates in such tone in this thread? and you're a moderator here, so you should know better.

In what tone? If criticising a man who just died is OK, surely criticising a man who is still alive and well is, too? Please exercise some objectivity.

To All It May Concern: I'm sorry for (y)our loss. Now move on.

Was there any need? No! and you should know better being a moderator, so grow up.
Nexxo 8th October 2011, 21:27 Quote
I'm sorry but people are allowed to make a point here even if it doesn't agree with you. Now I'm asking you nicely, and only once: stop picking fights, and stop insulting people.
hirezo 8th October 2011, 22:04 Quote
mocking the dead will never be cool. its just like when amy winehouse and michael jackson. within 10mins there were jokes being sent all over the place. i lost my grandmother to cancer earlier this year, she wasn't famous but if she was the jokes would not help my grieving. people need to get a life and have a heart, the guy had a family....
SolidShot 8th October 2011, 22:22 Quote
Shame on most of you in here. People in life deal with hard things in life a million different ways. Some use humour, look at the armed forces. Most of them deal with death by using dark humour. One of the marine ethos and something you must have to get into the royal marines is "sense of humour in the face of adversity and thats fine.

Others have to publicly grieve and have to physically grieve, look at perhaps some footage of other religions - with people crying etc in public, and thats fine too.

I thought that the flash joke was ok. There's far worse out there. The trolling was poor and banhammer was right.

The whole arguement over ethics etc should probably be deleted. Its petty, and just pathetic.

As for the whole "you cant make joke" arguments, get a life. Everyone has different opinions and you cant dictate how you want people to act, especially with grief.
Waynio 8th October 2011, 23:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by SolidShot
I thought that the flash joke was ok. There's far worse out there. The trolling was poor and banhammer was right.

The flash joke made me smile that wasn't what I found bad in this thread it wasn't a joke about C & was light hearted & very relevant to iPhones I think :) but can totally see why people would be offended by it as he didn't say anything good & just cracked a joke so I just ignored it & put my own thoughts about Steve & what he managed to do in life after watching his awesome speech, it was the trolling which I found very out of order & highly disrespectful, only people who have worked at foxconn will know just how good or bad it is working there & I'm sure they aren't forced to work there at gun point, & if I lived & grown up in China I'm sure there's far far far worse jobs there & for far less pay, I came across a lot of propaganda videos making the place look as bad as possible though & because of the way those videos were gigantically over dramatized by outsiders looking at it I call epic amount of BS & if it is or not you can blame the amateurs who made the over the top propaganda videos.

Still I'd have preferred to have left this thread alone after already having something nice to say about Steve but trolls be trolls :(.
Edi8th99 11th October 2011, 05:07 Quote
Even though i hate Apple, i think that it is a great shame, my thoughts are with the people that knew him.
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