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HDMI to Mini DisplayPort cables ruled illegal

HDMI to Mini DisplayPort cables ruled illegal

The news leaves consumers with little choice but to buy HDMI to Mini DisplayPort adaptors such as this.

The HDMI Organisation, which is responsible for licensing the HDMI connection standard, has announced that Mini DisplayPort to HDMI cables are unlicensed, and should be removed from sale immediately.

The news, which was reported first by TechRadar means that the hundreds of thousands of adaptor cables in the supply chain can’t be sold, as the HDMI Organisation has deemed them to be outside of the HDMI specification.

The organisation explained to the site that ‘the HDMI specification defines an HDMI cable as having only HDMI connectors on the ends. Anything else is not a licensed use of the specification and therefore, not allowed.

While the HDMI Organisation acknowledged that ‘there may be a market need for a cable solution rather than a dongle solution’, the organisation sticks by its opinion that ‘at this time, there is no way to produce these cable products in a licensed manner.

However, the HDMI Organisation says that conversion cables with a female HDMI socket on one end and a DisplayPort connector on the other (pictured) will be fine, as you still need to buy a full-spec and properly tested HDMI cable in order to use it.

Do you currently use an HDMI to Mini DisplayPort cable? Is the HDMI Organisation's objection to these sorts of cables valid? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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jcb121 12th July 2011, 13:22 Quote
does this mean DVI-Hdmi cables are also illegal?
wuyanxu 12th July 2011, 13:28 Quote
totally stupid spec, the dongle does exactly the same thing as a cable, there are no signal change inside those dongles.

can't wait for the day when TV's have DisplayPort as standard.

just get them from ebay is the best way forward, there will always be such ebay items because it's clearly a superior product compared to dongle+wire. ignore this retard ruling.
Unknownsock 12th July 2011, 13:29 Quote
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However, the HDMI Organisation says that conversion cables with a female HDMI socket on one end and a DisplayPort connector on the other (pictured) will be fine, as you still need to buy a full-spec and properly tested HDMI cable in order to use it.

Seems abit odd regardless if its male or female, it should be illegal either way? So basically as usual it all boils down to money.
Kiytan 12th July 2011, 13:31 Quote
that is.....stupid beyond belief.
faugusztin 12th July 2011, 13:35 Quote
No, the cables are not "illegal". Only they cannot sell them as HDMI cables. The manufacturers will relabel them to something like 'XY to High Definition Interface". Case solved.
Instagib 12th July 2011, 13:40 Quote
Someone at the HDMI Organisation has nothing better to do than nit-pick.
Salty Wagyu 12th July 2011, 13:44 Quote
Why do the HDMI Organisation do nothing about £100 Monster cables?
smc8788 12th July 2011, 13:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
can't wait for the day when TV's have DisplayPort as standard.

You might be waiting a while, HDMI has pretty much established itself as the de facto standard for TVs and AV equipment now so most companies will see no good reason to add an additional connector 'just' because it's technically superior. I think HDMI will only be replaced when 2k resolution 3D screens hit the market, as I'm pretty sure that would exceed the bandwidth of the current spec. Even then, they will probably just launch a new 'high performance' cable capable of that before it becomes commonplace anyway.
Bungletron 12th July 2011, 13:54 Quote
What a bunch of guff, I read the blind HDMI cable comparison posted on the other HDMI news that came about last week, no one could really tell the difference, so how does the termination make any difference? The other thing that was mentioned was the HDMI standard (1 lost bit per billion or something) is only tested on the first batch of cables a company produces, after that they are licensed to churn out whatever mediocrity they choose, does not seem like it is any guarantee of quality at all, more just a protection of their license fee. Even the dongle pictured has a bit of cable in it, are you sure that does not count as illegal?
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Originally Posted by jcb121
does this mean DVI-Hdmi cables are also illegal?

This. Its how I have my xbox 360 connected to a monitor, does this mean stormtroopers will be battering down my door anytime soon?
faugusztin 12th July 2011, 14:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bungletron
This. Its how I have my xbox 360 connected to a monitor, does this mean stormtroopers will be battering down my door anytime soon?

No. It is about manufacturing and selling them, not about the buyers.
John_T 12th July 2011, 14:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bungletron
...does not seem like it is any guarantee of quality at all, more just a protection of their license fee.

Nail + hammer = loud thumping sound.

The more difficult they make DisplayPort to use, the more ubiquitous HDMI becomes.
Xir 12th July 2011, 14:15 Quote
Other way round really, they see a chance to kick DP (and mini DP), as next to noone is using it anyway.
The percentage of displays that have HDMI is larger than the persentage of displays using DP or both.
(DP displays also have HDMI in, but HDMI displays rarely have DP in.)
Pete J 12th July 2011, 14:20 Quote
Heh. I smell bribery. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic
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Originally Posted by Salty Wagyu
Why do the HDMI Organisation do nothing about £100 Monster cables?
As much as we love to hate the Monster cables, the truth is that over a certain length (several meters IIRC) the monster cables can maintain data stability far better than a run of the mill cable. Still, I don't know why you'd have a need for such a long cable!
l3v1ck 12th July 2011, 14:24 Quote
To the Sunday markets.......
GoodBytes 12th July 2011, 14:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Salty Wagyu
Why do the HDMI Organisation do nothing about £100 Monster cables?

Because HDMI is a serious money maker for them. Royalty fees are really high for what it is. Sure it's probably (guessing here) 0.75-1$ range... but do the math. Plus you have it on your 2 devices (example: Blu-ray/game console and TV) and the cables.
3lusive 12th July 2011, 14:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Pete J
Heh. I smell bribery. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic


As much as we love to hate the Monster cables, the truth is that over a certain length (several meters IIRC) the monster cables can maintain data stability far better than a run of the mill cable. Still, I don't know why you'd have a need for such a long cable!

Yeah but they sell 1m cables for +£50 too, like this one
GoodBytes 12th July 2011, 14:39 Quote
Stopping Monster Cable, will look bad for the HDMI group... and people will be afraid and drop HDMI for Display Port. They don't want this.
PLUS, Monster Cable provide a high markup to retail stores, and well them.

Everyone (except the consumer) is really happy. The consumer has a choice to buy them or not... consumer choose to buy them like hot cakes.
johnnyboy700 12th July 2011, 14:39 Quote
Yeah but there's one on Amazon for about £9500:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/2-5m-HDMI-Cable-Professional-Quality/dp/B001NXQRSW/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2

Darn, they've taken the price off!
raxonb 12th July 2011, 14:55 Quote
This needs to be reported to the News Of The World...oh wait!

Seriously though the HDMI people are just being stupid. Hopefully ethernet will become the standard.
Guinevere 12th July 2011, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by smc8788
replaced when 2k resolution 3D screens hit the market

I assume you mean 4k?
Instagib 12th July 2011, 15:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by johnnyboy700
Yeah but there's one on Amazon for about £9500:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/2-5m-HDMI-Cable-Professional-Quality/dp/B001NXQRSW/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2

Darn, they've taken the price off!

I love the reviews on these cables.
Bauul 12th July 2011, 15:24 Quote
Meh, buying a dongle over an all-in-one solution is hardly the end of the world. Annoying yes, but I can see why the HDMI Organisation have done it - they're a commercial organisation afterall.

As long as DisplayPort becomes the PC/Monitor standard, I'll be happy.
thehippoz 12th July 2011, 15:32 Quote
just make them yourself.. I always do that kind of stuff but using cat cable and the right end connectors- it's cheap and works
MSHunter 12th July 2011, 15:54 Quote
this is exactly the kind of ruling that will be removed from law due to the fact that no one will follow it. (USA)
The cables will be renamed as extended adapters.

Almost as bad as HDCP, which was fixed by buying a little box with HDCP that then converted the signal to video with out HDCP.
dyzophoria 12th July 2011, 16:03 Quote
lol they are just saying, it maybe common sense to all that its just a dongle+cable built in, but in reality, they havent really tested things like, it seems stupid, or for the conspiracy theorists, money making ****, but heck, its how standards were developed, are developed, and will be developed in the near future. live with it, if you like buy all the hdmi to mini display port cables you can find if you are QQ'ing about it too much. or if you want **** the HDMI org with a thousand of petition telling them to test the **** and certify it. end of story
Tokari 12th July 2011, 16:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by John_T
Nail + hammer = loud thumping sound.

The more difficult they make DisplayPort to use, the more ubiquitous HDMI becomes.

This is the reason why for me. See off any potential competitors
modfx 12th July 2011, 16:20 Quote
What? I don't even.....
/sigh
Crossing 12th July 2011, 17:20 Quote
This is out of Pure, Pure greed.
smc8788 12th July 2011, 18:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
I assume you mean 4k?

Yeah I actually meant to say 4k2k, but whatever :p

Still can't get used to referring to it by the horizontal res...
supermonkey 12th July 2011, 19:19 Quote
I'm not sure I understand how the cables are illegal. Do you mean to say that due to licensing requirements companies can no longer sell an HDMI-to-MiniDP cable with the HDMI logo on the box? Or is it truly against the law to sell a cable that features an HDMI interface on one end and a miniDP interface on the other?
Waynio 12th July 2011, 19:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by jcb121
does this mean DVI-Hdmi cables are also illegal?

Exactly, I use 1 & my bro does too :) wow, what nonesense .
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Originally Posted by Instagib
I love the reviews on these cables.

Checked it out & was funny :D.
HourBeforeDawn 12th July 2011, 19:59 Quote
oh okay so really nothing has changed because most of those adapter sold that are mini display port to hdmi are in the form pictured above.
ViPPeR_666 12th July 2011, 21:09 Quote
Oh well. Guess I'll just throw my cable in a trash can...

GoodBytes 12th July 2011, 21:50 Quote
Destroying evidence of your criminal act... that is really bad... I have informed the authorities.
Elton 12th July 2011, 22:35 Quote
While this does reek of bureaucratic analism (not an actual word), it makes perfect sense that HDMI org would try to strongarm DisplayPort out of the picture, mind you HDMI needs a bit of improvement, but really this isn't that big of a deal.
L2wis 13th July 2011, 08:17 Quote
I think the picture headlining this article should have been of a said cable and not the dongle. It made the article harder to understand than it should have been.
stukelly 13th July 2011, 08:53 Quote
I'm hoping that HDBaseT takes off, so we can all use cheap Ethernet cables.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/07/02/new-ethernet-a-z-standard-aims-to-take-down/1
[USRF]Obiwan 13th July 2011, 08:57 Quote
this made me ROFL:
10.2GB highspeed HDMI cable!

in all the specifications of HDMI not once is speeds in gigabytes mentions. Only category 1 and category 2 (highspeed) HDMI cable. Where Category 1 certification must do 74,5mhz (aka 1080i) and Category2 certification must do 340Mhz (aka 1080p/2160p30)

You can use HDMI extenders that uses cat5/6 to extend over 200meters or optical fibre to extend the HDMI signal path top 300 meters without qualityloss. Yes that is ordinary cat5/6 networkcable, no fancy 24k gold and silver 'angel hair' cables of 1000 dollar. or even 2000 dollar. Only audiophiles (i call them audiophools) and only those people are strong believers of such bogus manufactures claim. Like 'breaking in' a cable. you said what??? breaking in a cable...
Phil Rhodes 13th July 2011, 10:05 Quote
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No, the cables are not "illegal".

Quite so.

There is a great tendency to assume that "something a company might not like very much" is "illegal". In this situation it is, I suspect, at worst an issue over the use of their trademark HDMI logo.

Really, who cares?
Bakes 13th July 2011, 22:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF
Obiwan]this made me ROFL:
10.2GB highspeed HDMI cable!

in all the specifications of HDMI not once is speeds in gigabytes mentions. Only category 1 and category 2 (highspeed) HDMI cable. Where Category 1 certification must do 74,5mhz (aka 1080i) and Category2 certification must do 340Mhz (aka 1080p/2160p30)

The frequency dictates the speed of throughput. A bog-standard HDMI cable at 340Mhz has 10.2Gbit throughput.
Sloth 13th July 2011, 23:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bakes
The frequency dictates the speed of throughput. A bog-standard HDMI cable at 340Mhz has 10.2Gbit throughput.
So surely that 10.2GB cable would be eight times faster? :)

Though that was likely a typo on Obiwan's part. Always funny when items are advertised with gratuitous amounts of information, half of which is required by the cable's specifications and true for any cable that meets the specs.
CrazyJoe 15th July 2011, 09:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by johnnyboy700
Yeah but there's one on Amazon for about £9500:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/2-5m-HDMI-Cable-Professional-Quality/dp/B001NXQRSW/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_2

Darn, they've taken the price off!

Must've sold out! :D
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