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Asus leaks GTX 580 specs

Asus leaks GTX 580 specs

The price list confirms the launch specs of Asus's inaugural GTX580 graphics card.

The first confirmed specifications of a card based around Nvidia's GeForce GTX 580 1.5GBreference design have leaked onto the net, courtesy of an over-eager Asus.

The Asus Graphics Configuraiton and Price page details the company's offerings in the graphics card market, and a new entry has appeared at the very top: an Nvidia GTX580 1,536MB, model number ENGTX580/2DI/1536MB.

Described by Asus as the 'Standard Edition' - hinting at higher clocked versions to come - the company's inaugural GTX 580 card will apparently ship with 1.5GB of GDDR5 graphics memory clocked at 4,008MHz on a 384-bit bus.

The core clock speed of the card is rated at 772MHz, while it will apparently feature dual-DVI connections, a single HDMI connector, and analogue VGA output. The GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB has a 700MHz GPU Core frequency.

Further details about the card, such as the number of stream processors that it will feature, don't make an appearance on the site, which is merely a guide price list for its resellers to use.

The price, meanwhile, could bring a tear to the eye of even the most ardent of Nvidia enthusiasts: priced in Yuan, the card is priced at just over the equivalent of £445 - but when VAT is taken into account, the card could hit the UK markets for over £500, if the leaked pricing information is to be believed.

With Asus claiming that the prices on its site are valid as of the 1st of November 2010, it looks like Nvidia's latest Fermi GPU could be hitting the streets sooner rather than later. The question is, will anyone be able to afford it?

Do you think that the Asus GeForce GTX 580 1536MB sounds like a winner, or does the pricing put you off no matter what the performance might be? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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dactone 4th November 2010, 16:15 Quote
same old nvidia overcharging ther customers ..

im wonder if this card can cook sasages like the last generation ?
XSAN 4th November 2010, 16:52 Quote
An overclocked 480? With a revised chip running 6c cooler!
Snips 4th November 2010, 16:56 Quote
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.
memeroot 4th November 2010, 17:07 Quote
might get me interested in a priced down 480
Unknownsock 4th November 2010, 17:07 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

But can it run Crysis?
l3v1ck 4th November 2010, 17:12 Quote
I want a fast single GPU card, but there's no way I'm paying anywhere near £500 for one.
ADJB 4th November 2010, 17:13 Quote
Sorry but no matter how good it is £500 is about £300 over my budget.
Phoenixlight 4th November 2010, 17:14 Quote
£500.00?! When you can pay £200.00 for a card that will run all games at high settings why bother with anything else more expensive? (except for multi-monitor setups)
thehippoz 4th November 2010, 17:18 Quote
it might be able to cook sausages.. yeah early adopters always get shafted by nvidia.. being one of them 3 times- you have to sell the previous card and buy up.. or be scrooge mcduck

thing that pisses me off about nvidia is- they will sit on their hands and milk as long as they are the single gpu leader.. I'm not saying the hardware is bad- just they aren't an intel who keep ahead of the game

they're all about the money huang style suki suki :D
Pete J 4th November 2010, 17:19 Quote
Two things I'd like to see:

1) 2GB of VRAM for those of us with large resolutions.

2) Nvidia to call this GPU the 485, like it's supposed to be!
Snips 4th November 2010, 17:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unknownsock
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

Sorry, i forgot about that one.

But can it run Crysis?
wuyanxu 4th November 2010, 17:25 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete J
Two things I'd like to see:

1) 2GB of VRAM for those of us with large resolutions.

2) Nvidia to call this GPU the 485, like it's supposed to be!
wait, 1.5GB isn't enough for your 30 inch monitor?

agree with 2 though.

DVI, VGA and mini-HDMI?? nVidia have just managed to make 2 out of 3 connectors useless!


i think im going to take bit-tech podcast's advice, and stick with my 5870 until next year.
Pete J 4th November 2010, 17:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
wait, 1.5GB isn't enough for your 30 inch monitor?
You'd be surprised! Admittedly this is in silly cases when I'm trying to run 16xAA rather than 8x but some games can still push it hard (Metro 2033 and STALKER for example).

It also helps in animating finite element analysis results - there's a reason why the stupidly expensive CAD cards offer 4GB+.
wuyanxu 4th November 2010, 17:40 Quote
i am making do with no AA in some games when trying to power 2560x1440 with my 5870 1GB, and would be perfectly happy with 4xAA........ yet comes Pete who is disappointed that 16xAA is struggling, and have to use 8xAA?

i am speechless.
Sloth 4th November 2010, 17:56 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.
Well, let's take a step back for a second here. £500 is an objectively large number. That's the limit for the entire Affordable All-Rounder PC in the monthly hardware guide. That's more than the eye-wateringly expensive dual-GPU 5970, even. At that price, it will have to be blisteringly fast to maintain a decent price-perfomance ratio. Even the GTX480 it's replacing is £150 cheaper inc VAT on Scan.
AshT 4th November 2010, 18:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

You want some original comments to put in a novel, and preferably nothing about the fan?!

As soon as I read your blahblah comment I thought that was rich coming from someone who posted this ealier. It works both ways ya hypocrite. Now cheer up.
mrbens 4th November 2010, 18:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
i am making do with no AA in some games when trying to power 2560x1440 with my 5870 1GB, and would be perfectly happy with 4xAA........ yet comes Pete who is disappointed that 16xAA is struggling, and have to use 8xAA?

i am speechless.

I hate it when I can't use 32xAA ;)
Teelzebub 4th November 2010, 18:27 Quote
That is a lot of money though I'm sure it will come down some next year.

But then again you can justify anything if you want it enough LOL,

Think I'll buy three.
jrs77 4th November 2010, 18:51 Quote
Asus pulled the info off their page. So it's back to pure speculation.
frontline 4th November 2010, 19:38 Quote
£500 seems way off - unless stock is so limited that they know they can charge this.
Pete J 4th November 2010, 19:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
i am making do with no AA in some games when trying to power 2560x1440 with my 5870 1GB, and would be perfectly happy with 4xAA........ yet comes Pete who is disappointed that 16xAA is struggling, and have to use 8xAA?

i am speechless.
I apologise for having different standards to you ;) .
Apocalypso 4th November 2010, 19:57 Quote
So it's £300 better than a GTX 470 then?
reix2x 4th November 2010, 20:18 Quote
GTX 485. U.U
B1GBUD 4th November 2010, 20:24 Quote
So is this card 4 x better than a GTX460 (Quad SLI) or would they not scale as well?
GravitySmacked 4th November 2010, 20:39 Quote
I'm looking forward to seeing how this card performs, at that price it will have to be something special.
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 4th November 2010, 20:57 Quote
Blah blah blah just show me the Benchmarks and .......

can it cook a steak like the GTX 480? Plus Winter time is coming so I might want two of these to heat my house with.

Besides the GTX 460 X2 sounds so much more appealing and performs way better than a GTX 480 that I can't see a GTX 580 with 20% gain over a GTX 480 beating a GTX 460 x2unless Nvidia pulls a dick move and doesn't release or gimps the gtx 460 x2
Teelzebub 4th November 2010, 21:00 Quote
LOL they have houses in the milky way galaxy ???
jimmyjj 4th November 2010, 21:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

I love sausages.
Teelzebub 4th November 2010, 21:06 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyjj
I love sausages.

Yeah thats we have heard
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 4th November 2010, 21:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bumsrush
LOL they have houses in the milky way galaxy ???


Sure they have houses in the Milky Way Galaxy. I'm surprised you didn't know that but then again most education systems suck. Here's some good reading between games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun.27s_location_and_neighborhood
Teelzebub 4th November 2010, 21:16 Quote
No houses there and what is this education thing you speak off.
Snips 4th November 2010, 21:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by AshT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

You want some original comments to put in a novel, and preferably nothing about the fan?!

As soon as I read your blahblah comment I thought that was rich coming from someone who posted this ealier. It works both ways ya hypocrite. Now cheer up.

Actually, it was a valid point that Apple were going for gimmicks in response from positive reviews about the windows phone 7. I don't own a windows phone 7.

The point was every ATi or Nvidia release comnes out with what I posted. Usually from ATi fans gloating at the 5870, which is a very good card.

If you are a follower of my posts, I'm more than happy to send you a signed photo and a t-shirt or something. You only had to ask!
Snips 4th November 2010, 21:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.
Well, let's take a step back for a second here. £500 is an objectively large number. That's the limit for the entire Affordable All-Rounder PC in the monthly hardware guide. That's more than the eye-wateringly expensive dual-GPU 5970, even. At that price, it will have to be blisteringly fast to maintain a decent price-perfomance ratio. Even the GTX480 it's replacing is £150 cheaper inc VAT on Scan.

But the price isn't confirmed yet, neither is the price for the 6970 or whatever ATi will be putting up against this. So until we know how much it's going to cost, I don't think you can get too upset.
thehippoz 4th November 2010, 21:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumsrush
Yeah thats we have heard

:D that better be a long sausage.. don't you guys call them bangers? and then make that john cleese face confusing everyone as to what your talking about.. but seriously, nvidia has been doing this since the 8800gtx- they price the top card outrageous every release

I don't see how they can do it anymore with ati actually having cards out.. but whatever =]
bobwya 4th November 2010, 21:55 Quote
Hmmm. If that price is right then this must have some serious Fermi / GPU-compute grunt otherwise it's going to sit on the shelves. How is Nvidia's cashflow these days anyways??
Redbeaver 4th November 2010, 21:59 Quote
im happy with 460 dropping below $180CAD with MIR..... thats what my 22" can squeeze anyway
mecha. 4th November 2010, 22:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips

But can it run Minecraft? :D
Sloth 4th November 2010, 22:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
But the price isn't confirmed yet, neither is the price for the 6970 or whatever ATi will be putting up against this. So until we know how much it's going to cost, I don't think you can get too upset.
You're just trying to make this about brands, aren't you? You'll notice I made no comparison to the 6970, nor any other next generation AMD card. Merely stated that at £500 inc VAT, which was on the official ASUS website, it will require some damn good performance to maintain a price to performance ratio which is in line with current generation offerings from both parties which closest match its price.

As for my own opinion, a card that expensive doesn't have to worry about the opposing brand so much. The biggest threat will be what we're seeing with the current generation: two midrange cards in SLI/CF. The 5970 saw it with 2x5850s and the GTX480s sees it with 2xGTX460. With the increase in support and scaling for SLI/CF we begin to see an increased need for decent price to performance ratios in the high end market, even when comparing cards of the same brand.
azrael- 4th November 2010, 22:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrs77
Asus pulled the info off their page. So it's back to pure speculation.
You can always read up on it over at semiaccurate.com flavoured with a bit of Charlie's objective commenting... ;)
Snips 4th November 2010, 22:36 Quote
You mentioned another brand before I did.

The price mentioned was in a different currency and it was only assumed to be £500.

I actually agree with you on the point of SLi/CF, which is something this site and many others don't.
comrade 4th November 2010, 22:43 Quote
All of this is just based on speculation. When the first cards appear, then we'll know the actual price and reviews will tell what it can and cannot do.

Whatever though, no one is forcing anyone to buy one of these. If the price is too steep, or you just cannot stand dealing with Nvidia, buy something else! I've used cards from both companies and I have been happy with products from both companies.

We are getting way too spoiled these days by the performance we get from even low end computers. There are plenty of cards in the $150-$300 range that will do amazing things.

This subject is just too minor to get even the slightest bit upset over. Turn off the computer, go for a bike ride or play ball with your kids. If you want something that will make you realize just how minor this arguing about the price and ability of a certain video card is, go visit your local veterans hospital! Volunteer there for a while and you'll see people who have REAL problems!
AshT 5th November 2010, 01:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Actually, it was a valid point that Apple were going for gimmicks in response from positive reviews about the windows phone 7. I don't own a windows phone 7.

The point was every ATi or Nvidia release comnes out with what I posted. Usually from ATi fans gloating at the 5870, which is a very good card.

If you are a follower of my posts, I'm more than happy to send you a signed photo and a t-shirt or something. You only had to ask!

Ok, I'm affording you far too much of my time but here ya go:

You say this in one thread: "WOW, any other gimmicks iPhone can come up with in response to the positive reviewed Windows Phone 7?"

Now you say this: "Actually, it was a valid point that Apple were going for gimmicks in response from positive reviews about the windows phone 7"

Are they really? Gimmicks?! You know whats involved with adding the feature detailed in that news item? But of course you don't own a Win7 phone and are not biased so we shouldn't read too much into it ...

And you say this in order not to appear biased towards Win7 mobile in anyway: "I don't own a windows phone 7."

But previously you've said: "I for one will be upgrading my handset to a WM7 device."

Ah, so you don't own one YET. My point about it working both ways is that your anti-Apple crap might be included in things that we've all heard many times before, so how about you leave that out? <anti something==============fanboi something> Do you see? It's the same, just different ends of the spectrum.

Added: oh, and unless this card makes copious amounts of noise, cooks my sausages AND plays Crysis then I won't be buying it.
Vigilante 5th November 2010, 04:02 Quote
If Nvidia has scaled up the GF104 die linearly, added more cores (scaled appropriately for a high end card) and at that clock speed, it could be a winner.

However, being a bit more sane and considering nvidia's assholery regarding its current chip designs, it's probably gf100.5, a bugfixed 480 with most of the design flaws removed to give it a 10% clock speed advantage and (perhaps) a 15% performance advantage over the 480. Of course, again, being nvidia, the 10% clock speed advantage will give them the right to charge it about twice as high as anything else on the market.

Shame nobody logical works at nvidia - at least, in the positions where decision making is made. Oh and, as for my prophesying about the 580's performance - you heard it here first.
Elledan 5th November 2010, 08:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vigilante
If Nvidia has scaled up the GF104 die linearly, added more cores (scaled appropriately for a high end card) and at that clock speed, it could be a winner.

However, being a bit more sane and considering nvidia's assholery regarding its current chip designs, it's probably gf100.5, a bugfixed 480 with most of the design flaws removed to give it a 10% clock speed advantage and (perhaps) a 15% performance advantage over the 480. Of course, again, being nvidia, the 10% clock speed advantage will give them the right to charge it about twice as high as anything else on the market.

Shame nobody logical works at nvidia - at least, in the positions where decision making is made. Oh and, as for my prophesying about the 580's performance - you heard it here first.

Assuming much?

GF110, which GTX580 will be using, is essentially GF100 (GTX480), but with the HPC features removed (DP FP units, caches), reducing the die-size by 10%. Together with a fixed 40 nm production process, this means big power savings and an increase in SPs and possible clockspeeds. Win-win, basically. Unless you need those HPC features, which will then be found in Tesla cards :)
Snips 5th November 2010, 09:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by AshT
"I'm upgrading from a 4870X2 to a 6XXX and I own an iPhone4.

Sorry, I obviously dissed your beloved products. I won't do it again, promise!

A t-shirt is in the post for you babe, along with a signed photo.

(Wow, my first stalker! I'm so excited)
phuzz 5th November 2010, 10:11 Quote
£200! I'm still happy with my 8800GT!
;)

(but seriously, it's only just starting to show it's age, I recon there's at least another generation left before I feel the need to upgrade)
AshT 5th November 2010, 10:13 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Sorry, I obviously dissed your beloved products. I won't do it again, promise!

A t-shirt is in the post for you babe, along with a signed photo.

(Wow, my first stalker! I'm so excited)

Snips, provide a link to that quote because when I just search on this "and I own an iPhone4" all I get is what you've written above. I'm not denying I've said it however if you don't provide accurate information to back up your bs what are we supposed to think.

And incidentally, let's remind ourselves how this started:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

If you can't take it, don't start it.
Ripitup121 5th November 2010, 10:20 Quote
hope its not another volcano that'll need to be watercooled if you even wanna consider overclocking.....
BRAWL 5th November 2010, 10:33 Quote
Ouch... £500... That'll be Nvidia failing nicely then. There goes that market comp I was hoping for!
Aragon Speed 5th November 2010, 10:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by AshT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Sorry, I obviously dissed your beloved products. I won't do it again, promise!

A t-shirt is in the post for you babe, along with a signed photo.

(Wow, my first stalker! I'm so excited)

Snips, provide a link to that quote because when I just search on this "and I own an iPhone4" all I get is what you've written above. I'm not denying I've said it however if you don't provide accurate information to back up your bs what are we supposed to think.

And incidentally, let's remind ourselves how this started:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

If you can't take it, don't start it.

Sigh. You are obviously one of those people who likes to argue, even when there is nothing worth arguing about. Let it go already, nobody but you is interested.
maverik-sg1 5th November 2010, 11:05 Quote
No top of the line GPU is cheap at launch.

I am sure if people can take a look back at how expensive other cards were at launch they will be reminded that 2-3months down the line (or less) then the price becomes much more realistic.

In addition Nvidia are much better to reacting to AMD's pricing, but if AMD's prices are also high, then we need to identify our needs with our means and buy a suitably priced (less powerful) product.

Summary - if you consider something is too expensive, then don't buy it.

Surfing around it's been suggested that a GTX560 is also planned and that this may be used as a cost effective dual gpu card - one innovation they could consider for such a beast is using a shared memory rather than dedicating RAM to each GPU - should help keep the 'high res' mob happy.

Like any multi GPU technology though - whether u purchase an 'X2' card will be subject to SLI support being available in the games you play.

Am I right in assuming that SLI is still more widely supported, (in driver and games), scales better and (in real world) functions better than crossfire?
Snips 5th November 2010, 11:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by AshT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Sorry, I obviously dissed your beloved products. I won't do it again, promise!

A t-shirt is in the post for you babe, along with a signed photo.

(Wow, my first stalker! I'm so excited)

Snips, provide a link to that quote because when I just search on this "and I own an iPhone4" all I get is what you've written above. I'm not denying I've said it however if you don't provide accurate information to back up your bs what are we supposed to think.

And incidentally, let's remind ourselves how this started:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Blah blah blah, can it cook sausages! Blah blah blah, Nvidia always over charge us!
Blah blah blah, the 6970 will be better! Blah blah blah, do I need a nuclear powerstation to run it!

I have a really novel idea, let's come up with some original comments and not the usual fan nonsense.

If you can't take it, don't start it.

"Within 20 seconds of reading your post I had booted up the app store on my iPad and ordered Civ Rev. Gutted that the iPad version is £7.49 ... a bit steeper than I would like to pay.

FREE for the iPhone version? Hell yes! "

Would that imply you have an iPhone to get excited that the iPhone version was free? or do you just get excited about most things? I'll dig further if you like but then that would mean I'm stalking you, which I'm not really into. Wasn't there a line in a movie once about "Stalking the Stalker" ?

You really have taken this far to personal, especially in a subject you clearly bat for the opposing team. So why did a quote politely asking for a bit of commonsense in the GPU threads which if we are all honest, always turn into a fan battleroyal. Yes it's fun to watch but does get a little tedious.

but you my No.1 fan have really brightened it up for us all. Thanks! ;)
Snips 5th November 2010, 11:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
No top of the line GPU is cheap at launch.

I am sure if people can take a look back at how expensive other cards were at launch they will be reminded that 2-3months down the line (or less) then the price becomes much more realistic.

In addition Nvidia are much better to reacting to AMD's pricing, but if AMD's prices are also high, then we need to identify our needs with our means and buy a suitably priced (less powerful) product.

Summary - if you consider something is too expensive, then don't buy it.

Surfing around it's been suggested that a GTX560 is also planned and that this may be used as a cost effective dual gpu card - one innovation they could consider for such a beast is using a shared memory rather than dedicating RAM to each GPU - should help keep the 'high res' mob happy.

Like any multi GPU technology though - whether u purchase an 'X2' card will be subject to SLI support being available in the games you play.

Am I right in assuming that SLI is still more widely supported, (in driver and games), scales better and (in real world) functions better than crossfire?

I've not used a CF personally but I hear on this site regularly that it's pretty much decent as well nowadays. I think both SLi/CF have huge benefits but it can still get caught out on games that just refuse to believe either exist. I think folding is where CF does fall but I believe there's something in the works for that as well. I've only ever used SLi so I can't claim any of this from personal experience.
PlayedStation 5th November 2010, 13:36 Quote
this whole re-gurgitated debate over nvidia versus ati/amd is just free marketing for the companies no? I mean they dont even need to speak on how good a product is in order for it to sell, dont people make their own minds up based on reviews and the price point thats appropriate for them?

what does bother me slightly is these 2 companies are supposed to be in fierce competition, which should be good for us as consumers, yet this "suggested" price point makes me think each group has fans which will buy it regardless of price... so us as consumers are shooting ourselves in the foot by arguing with each other because we should in theory shouldnt we just sit on the fence and let the product sell itself?

One thing i'm really struggling with, is the need for folding. Seriously, other than curing disease is this supposed to be an important factor when choosing a graphics card?
PlayedStation 5th November 2010, 13:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayedStation
so us as consumers are shooting ourselves in the foot by arguing with each other because in theory shouldnt we just sit on the fence and let the product sell itself?
edit. accidently quoted myself and cant delete. epicfail.
memeroot 5th November 2010, 14:22 Quote
what will happen to GTX 480 prices?

currently gtx480 is 360 euro ... if it were 550 euro for a 580 I dont see them shifting.

Personally I'm tempted by a 480 at 300 euro... and then try and grab another in 6 months.
Xir 5th November 2010, 14:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlayedStation
One thing i'm really struggling with, is the need for folding. Seriously, other than curing disease is this supposed to be an important factor when choosing a graphics card?

SETI...ever since folding became fashionable, our cosmic friends (or foe's) are beeing forgotten! :D
rollo 5th November 2010, 15:38 Quote
Somebody mensioned quad sli 460 for same cost well that's imposible

460 can only be run in sli doesn't even do tri sli

Cost is insane but it will still sell and we have no idea how much ati will charge for 6950 6970 or 6990 or how these cards perform

6870 in crossfire is good at the min

Noise and heat wise, 470 sli is faster but more heat and noise both cost aroubd £400

Both will beat any single card nvidia or ati make.
Hakuren 5th November 2010, 15:56 Quote
Yes SETI. I actually abandoned SETI altogether. Servers are more often down than up, running only World Community Grid, where I don't need VGA at all. Folding is not an option with Fermi (quad-sli), unless you own personal power plant. I tried folding for a while, but with UPS in the system, Folding sucking batteries dry in no time when I'm at work and there is power outage. With WCG I have no such problems. Easily keeps few hours because only CPU is maxed out.

Anyway GTX580 is expensive and anyone who want it will pay premium - just as you should for premium product. At least for a month or so. Just wait for a end of the year period. Every company want to bump their sales around New Year. Prices will go down. In all honestly unless you want to go with water cooling I wouldn't bother with reference GTX580. I waiting for something interesting with non-reference cooling.
Sloth 5th November 2010, 17:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
No top of the line GPU is cheap at launch.

I am sure if people can take a look back at how expensive other cards were at launch they will be reminded that 2-3months down the line (or less) then the price becomes much more realistic.

In addition Nvidia are much better to reacting to AMD's pricing, but if AMD's prices are also high, then we need to identify our needs with our means and buy a suitably priced (less powerful) product.

Summary - if you consider something is too expensive, then don't buy it.

Surfing around it's been suggested that a GTX560 is also planned and that this may be used as a cost effective dual gpu card - one innovation they could consider for such a beast is using a shared memory rather than dedicating RAM to each GPU - should help keep the 'high res' mob happy.

Like any multi GPU technology though - whether u purchase an 'X2' card will be subject to SLI support being available in the games you play.

Am I right in assuming that SLI is still more widely supported, (in driver and games), scales better and (in real world) functions better than crossfire?
Under the assumption that the listed price reflect's ASUS's true price upon launch and that converted cost is roughly accurate (within £20 pounds or so), ~£500 is still a large figure. It's higher than historical launch prices, even on top of the line GPUs, which is the basis for arguments such as my own cliaming that it will need to be excessively powerful as well to balance that. Not saying it can't be, just that it will have to be.

The reasoning of buying a card based on one's level of money is sound, but often doesn't apply to top end cards like these. The buyers who would seriously consider a card such as this are likely buying for a certain level of performance, and will then choose the cheapest option to meet that level. When the costs of all options at that level become disproportionately high people get a bit uneasy, expect some hate and discontent if this GTX580 price is true and AMD releases cards at similarly high ones.

For the scaling of SLI and CF, both have greatly improved over the years. The GTX4xx series has recently shown excellent SLI scaling, which is where we get the rush of 2xGTX460s coming from. I haven't followed CF scaling as closely, this review shows it hitting 100% scaling when pushed hard enough. For the support of each of them? That I'm not terribly well versed on and it's really more of a person to person basis. There aren't too many help threads on this forum lately for either one so I'd assume they're both decent, though the 5970 specifically has given some people BIOS grief.
maverik-sg1 5th November 2010, 18:16 Quote
It's still great consumer news if the major players have viable premium products available - let the ensuing price war decide where you put your money.

Where I am at right now - my 280GTX is getting old, I game at 1900x1200 and it's starting to show it age on new titles (especially online gaming), I have dipped into radeons and had all my hopes turn to despair with one issue or another each and every time. I am sure others had similar Nvidia issues too, but it's the old saying 'once bitten, twice shy'.

Fermi GF100 was massive disappointment (not in it's performance, just heat, PRICE and noise), the GF104 (GTX460) was tempting but it's not that much quicker than what I have right now meaning an earlier need to upgrade.

Certain games I play dislike multi gpu so sli/crossfire is off the cards for me (unless the single gpu performance is also excellent) - so I sincerely hope the 5 series is sensational.
Sloth 5th November 2010, 19:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by maverik-sg1
Certain games I play dislike multi gpu so sli/crossfire is off the cards for me (unless the single gpu performance is also excellent) - so I sincerely hope the 5 series is sensational.
For my own enlightenment, what games have a problem with it? Most AAA games are getting better with support for CF/SLI as gamers start getting more and more multi-GPU solutions. They effectively shut out a growing population of gamers if they don't.
frontline 5th November 2010, 20:46 Quote
Amazon have it advertised as a pre-order now http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Graphics-ENGTX580-2DI-1536MD5/dp/B004AP9IJ0/

$519, so basically £450 to £500 based on previous fleecing in the UK
leveller 5th November 2010, 20:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
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Originally Posted by AshT

"I'm upgrading from a 4870X2 to a 6XXX and I own an iPhone4.

Snips I'm not sure what you are trying to do by misquoting him and with a quick search it shows he never said that, so you are basically bullshitting on the BT forum and that is not cool. If you are not actually quoting someone then leave out the quote tags.
Nexxo 5th November 2010, 21:03 Quote
:( OK, Ash, Snips: one more bitch at each other and you're suspended for 48 hours. The other contributors to this thread: move along now, nothing to see here... --Nexxo
leveller 5th November 2010, 21:15 Quote
We need benchmarks. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys what the cost, heat, noise is as long the things produce very high res, beautiful graphics at fantastic FPS. My other half keeps asking me whether I'm wanting GFX cards for Xmas and I don't have a clue. Do we have any idea when the high end ATi and high end Nvidia cards are likely to get benched (more importantly in SLi and CF)?
Snips 5th November 2010, 21:43 Quote
I don't have a problem at all chaps. If you look through his old posts on other topics he did say those things one way or another but hey, I can move on. Sorry ASHT, sorry guys and gals.

When can we expect benchtests on this card and what about the higher end AMD6XXX series?
maverik-sg1 6th November 2010, 02:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
For my own enlightenment, what games have a problem with it? Most AAA games are getting better with support for CF/SLI as gamers start getting more and more multi-GPU solutions. They effectively shut out a growing population of gamers if they don't.

World Of Warcraft is one of the ones I am less embarassed to admit I play and found multi gpu scaling to be not great (also supported by the link you provided.

But it looks like you have good point the DX11 generation cards have a much nicer multi gpu scalability compared to the older GTX2XX series....... more food for thought here :)
cheeriokilla 6th November 2010, 06:53 Quote
How many frames per sec would I get in Doom 2?
cheeriokilla 6th November 2010, 06:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by cheeriokilla
How many frames per sec would I get in Doom 2?

If it's anyting below 999 I'm not buying it...
Snips 6th November 2010, 14:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by frontline
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll7rWiY5obI

Awesome!
nRollo 6th November 2010, 23:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
wait, 1.5GB isn't enough for your 30 inch monitor?

agree with 2 though.

DVI, VGA and mini-HDMI?? nVidia have just managed to make 2 out of 3 connectors useless!


i think im going to take bit-tech podcast's advice, and stick with my 5870 until next year.

My son just played Metro2033 on a card NVIDIA sent me recently coupled with a GTS450 for PhysX. He played at 25X16, AAA/16X, PhysX, DX11. Don't know if it was one of these new "GTX580" but it did handle the 25X16 silky smooth, the PhysX looked great.
If this is a GTX580, seems very powerful to me. I played some Metro and AVP and was VERY impressed.
thelaw 7th November 2010, 15:52 Quote
http://www.megagames.com/news/geforce-gtx-580-forgoes-gpgpu

This site suggests Nov 9th release date..thought not sure if that is USA or Europe etc?
John_T 7th November 2010, 20:39 Quote
Got an email from YoYoTech this morning seeking pre-orders at £399 inc vat - click on the link and the message comes up 'address invalid'.

Looks like they jumped the gun a bit, but it also looks like a realistic £400 price tag...
John_T 7th November 2010, 20:42 Quote
I meant to add that the email states:

"Over 30% faster than GTX480 tested in 3DMark Vantage"
John_T 7th November 2010, 20:47 Quote
In fact, (I should have put all this in one post) here's a valid link:

http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/item-detail.php?products_id=4370723

And in case that link also gets taken down, here's a cut and paste of what it says:

nVidia GTX580 The world's fastest GPU, bar none. Blasts past the GTX480 with room to spare. Tessellation processing is up more than 20% and the combination of architectural enhancements, vapor chamber cooling and increased clock speeds make for a fantastic combination. OWN IT FIRST. nVidia GTX580 • 512 Full CUDA Cores • 1.5GB 384-bit GDDR5 • 4 Gbps Data Transfer • Dual DVI & mini HDMI Over 30% faster than GTX480 tested in 3DMark Vantage nVidia GeForce GTX580 -->· 772MHz Core Speed -->· 1.5GB GDDR5 Memory (384-bit) -->· Draws up to 244w power -->· 27cm long -->· Needs 2 slots -->· 3-Way SLi Capable -->· 2x DVI and 1x mini HDMI
Snips 8th November 2010, 09:33 Quote
That's not bad for a start price, especially for that spec. You must have one of these babies on the bench by now Bit-Tech, come on get the lead out!
leveller 8th November 2010, 09:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
That's not bad for a start price, especially for that spec. You must have one of these babies on the bench by now Bit-Tech, come on get the lead out!

Even a :D or a :( by itself in a solitary post in a randomly created posters 1st post, that 'might' or 'might not' be an undercover BT/CPC staffer would be something ;) but then again we'll all be second guessing and reversing the psychology of the post and it'll drive us mad.

Hmm!
mediapcAddict 9th November 2010, 01:53 Quote
My 580 vs 480 comparison
steam proccessors
512 vs 480 = 7% more stream processors
core speed
772 vs 700 = 10% faster processor
gigaflsops
1581 vs 1344= 17 % more gigaflsops
£ Price
500 vs 330= 50% more
(scan.coms cheapest 480 is £330)

overall its the ideal card to play Farmville in its full glory.
Snips 9th November 2010, 09:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mediapcAddict
My 580 vs 480 comparison
steam proccessors
512 vs 480 = 7% more stream processors
core speed
772 vs 700 = 10% faster processor
gigaflsops
1581 vs 1344= 17 % more gigaflsops
£ Price
500 vs 330= 50% more
(scan.coms cheapest 480 is £330)

overall its the ideal card to play Farmville in its full glory.

Although the first prices out indicate £399.

Anyone remember the prices ON LAUNCH for the 280, 480, 4870, 5870 and a price for the new 6970 or whatever they are actually calling the new 5870?
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