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Samsung announces 1ms monitor

Samsung announces 1ms monitor

The Samsung P2770FH 27in 1080p panel features a ridiculous 1ms response time.

Samsung has just announced its P2770FH LCD monitor - the first to feature a frankly ridiculous 1ms response time.

The display is described by Young Bae, Samsung's director of display marketing, as "a prime example of Samsung's leadership in display engineering, and creative professionals and computer gamers seeking the best possible viewing experience will immediately appreciate its benefits."

The biggest benefit that Samsung is hoping you'll appreciate is, of course, that response time. At 1ms, it's around half that of its the nearest competitor, and Samsung claims that it will pretty much completely eliminate motion blur and ghosting effects that can appear as a result of rapid motion on LCD panels.

Strangely, Samsung even goes so far as to claim that the reduced response time "contributes to smoother video playback, making it ideal for reviewing family movies or compiling the latest vacation memories."

Aside from the refresh rate, the 1920 x 1080 27in panel also features a 70,000:1 contrast ratio - dynamic, naturally - and what Samsung claims is an improved colour gamut over previous monitors in the company's range. HDMI, DVI-I, and analogue VGA connections are also included, as is analogue and optical digital audio outputs for transferring HDMI audio to an external amplifier.

For a monitor that Samsung is clearly aiming at the premium end of the market, the stand is a bit of an oddity: described by the company as "a refined, simple stand," it features no real adjustment whatsoever - and you can forget about the landscape-to-portrait rotation that many top-end monitors feature.

Samsung has yet to confirm UK pricing and availability, but the P2770FH will be launching in the US this month for $400 (around £252.)

Do you believe Samsung's claims with regard to the refresh rate, or is the difference between a 2ms display and a 1ms display just too tiny to care about? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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Loafers 5th October 2010, 17:21 Quote
I doubt most consumers would be unable to differentiate between a 2 and 1ms monitor in a double blind test.
Bauul 5th October 2010, 17:29 Quote
Of course they wouldn't. IIRC, tests demonstrate unless you're looking at two images that really contrast (like a full black and full white screen), no body can notice something that quick.

Think about it - a response time of 0.001 seconds versus 0.002 seconds. It's pointless.
danielleil 5th October 2010, 17:43 Quote
Sounds like old news, I live in China and bought one of these from www.newegg.com.cn back in May. Cost worked out to around 250 quid and it is a great monitor.
Showerhead 5th October 2010, 17:52 Quote
I assume this is still a grey to grey transition. If not it's impressive I've never seen a black white black transition go anywhere below 5ms

Also Viewsonic beat them to it
SMIFFYDUDE 5th October 2010, 18:22 Quote
Nobody will notice the benefit of 1ms responce time over 2ms in real life. I'd prefer manufacturers get back to making reasonably priced 24" monitors with 1920x1200 resolution instead of slicing an inch of screen off with 1080 res.
azrael- 5th October 2010, 18:32 Quote
As long as it's still a 60Hz TN panel this isn't really interesting. Give me a 120Hz xVA or IPS panel with LED backlighting and I'll get excited. :)
cgthomas 5th October 2010, 18:34 Quote
What's the refresh rate?
Will it shatter the image ghosting barrier in 3d?
The_Beast 5th October 2010, 18:38 Quote
meh
Teelzebub 5th October 2010, 18:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
meh

+1 :(
PabloFunky 5th October 2010, 19:00 Quote
Why is it that even a 1ms response time seems way worse than a 0ms response of a crt?

Im assuming its because a crt is a raster scanning device ?

Still waiting for the day when we have a thin tft screen with the spec of a crt, i know its getting close, but were deffo not there yet.

I assume theres many gamers on here that still swear by a crt?
wuyanxu 5th October 2010, 19:05 Quote
ah, my eyes! it's TN!

i'll take IPS over TN any day, even if it's 1ms vs 10ms advertised speed.
B1GBUD 5th October 2010, 19:32 Quote
Wake me up when they can offer a decent resolution, a 27" panel should be 2560 x 1440.
thehippoz 5th October 2010, 19:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by PabloFunky
I assume theres many gamers on here that still swear by a crt?

you don't get it.. crt not only lag free it can display 120fps while it's at it- the new generation have no clue and they get tossed like a salad against a good player on a crt
wuyanxu 5th October 2010, 20:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by B1GBUD
Wake me up when they can offer a decent resolution, a 27" panel should be 2560 x 1440.
Dell U2711?
Apple 27 inch?

and may be Hazro HZ27Wa?
chrisb2e9 5th October 2010, 21:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by thehippoz
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Originally Posted by PabloFunky
I assume theres many gamers on here that still swear by a crt?

you don't get it.. crt not only lag free it can display 120fps while it's at it- the new generation have no clue and they get tossed like a salad against a good player on a crt

I miss having a crt... such quality images. Too bad the "good" monitors we have these days just can't compare.
NethLyn 5th October 2010, 21:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by PabloFunky
I assume theres many gamers on here that still swear by a crt?

Well I do, just because I've concentrated on the internal upgrades and the budget meant I wasn't gaming over 12 x 10 for a long time. So my first flatscreen wouldn't be for gaming, more just the web and general windows if I could get a good deal.
knuck 5th October 2010, 22:09 Quote
1ms or not, at 60hz it will still be full of tearing
Gradius 5th October 2010, 22:34 Quote
LCD will always have that "laggy" problem, even if is 0ms !

You read me right, ZERO ms!
Burdman27911 5th October 2010, 23:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Samsung
creative professionals and computer gamers seeking the best possible viewing experience will immediately appreciate its benefits.
I highly doubt it. It likely also uses a TN panel with overdrive to achieve the 1ms response time, so it'll have artifacting instead of the "ghosting" which I even find to be worse...

Marketing win = consumer loss all around.
Fizzban 5th October 2010, 23:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by thehippoz
you don't get it.. crt not only lag free it can display 120fps while it's at it- the new generation have no clue and they get tossed like a salad against a good player on a crt

CRT's take up far too much space (my old 17" had an enormous arse on it) and they flicker causing eye strain. I'll take an LCD screen any day.

Back on topic..m'eh. I'd be more interested in progress in 120Hz screens.

Also when you guys at CustomPC/Bit-tech gonna review some new monitors? The ones in your CPC Elite section have been there for agessss.
Pookeyhead 6th October 2010, 00:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by azrael-
As long as it's still a 60Hz TN panel this isn't really interesting. Give me a 120Hz xVA or IPS panel with RGB LED backlighting and I'll get excited. :)


Fixed
CowBlazed 6th October 2010, 01:19 Quote
Needs more 120hz, no LCD with 60hz really matters anymore to me either. Not for 3D which I don't care for, just for the 120hz goodness.
Star*Dagger 6th October 2010, 01:35 Quote
BT forums are always good for a laugh, people bemoaning the loss of *CRTs* in 2010, thanks for the smile guys!
Goty 6th October 2010, 02:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Showerhead
I assume this is still a grey to grey transition. If not it's impressive I've never seen a black white black transition go anywhere below 5ms

Also Viewsonic beat them to it

Grey to grey is actually the slower transition, I think. It requires a lower voltage, so the time to complete the transition tends to be longer.
knuck 6th October 2010, 03:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
BT forums are always good for a laugh, people bemoaning the loss of *CRTs* in 2010, thanks for the smile guys!

If you were as hardcore as we are you would cry as well
Star*Dagger 6th October 2010, 06:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by knuck
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Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
BT forums are always good for a laugh, people bemoaning the loss of *CRTs* in 2010, thanks for the smile guys!

If you were as hardcore as we are you would cry as well

I had 21' CRTs from the first time they were available, I do NOT miss lugging around a 70 lbs monitor. Yes they were better in one area, but vastly inferior in every other.

Enjoy,
S*D
Mentai 6th October 2010, 06:17 Quote
I often wish the response time of my monitor was faster than 2MS when I'm compiling the latest vacation memories. i will be the first to pick one of these up.
PabloFunky 6th October 2010, 07:15 Quote
Yep as i say, cant beat a crt.

Ive got a dell 24017 thingl, its ok as i dont game much now, new i would mature one day, oh well.

So yep i very much get it and agree with it as i said in first post,
I do hold hopoe for the future though, hopefully monitors wont become more profit orientated as things do go these days, and manufacturers start giving us what we want, not what they think we want.


No one moaned how heavy a crt is until tft came along,,,
Man up, build your musscles, a crt is light compared to what i used to lift at work.

My pc case is heavier than 70lbs
thehippoz 6th October 2010, 08:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by PabloFunky
No one moaned how heavy a crt is until tft came along,,,
Man up, build your musscles, a crt is light compared to what i used to lift at work.

My pc case is heavier than 70lbs

sounds like my old case- not 70 lbs but it's pretty damn heavy.. if your going to complain about weight- you shouldn't even be going to lans xD
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Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
I had 21' CRTs from the first time they were available, I switched to consoles after getting totally embarassed in cs/quake. Yes they were better and vastly superior

:o just pullin your chain star.. with the way gaming is going anyhow, you won't need quick reflexes.. you'll press a button every now and then and it will inflate your balls and tell your the greatest
Xir 6th October 2010, 09:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
Dell U2711?
Apple 27 inch?
and may be Hazro HZ27Wa?
Ah, the old Bit-Tech disease...
We're talking about a 400$ monitor here.

Comparisons with
>1000$ monitors are unsuited
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1920 x 1080 27in
Ah...so it's a TV :D
azrael- 6th October 2010, 09:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookeyhead
Quote:
Originally Posted by azrael-
As long as it's still a 60Hz TN panel this isn't really interesting. Give me a 120Hz xVA or IPS panel with RGB LED backlighting and I'll get excited. :)
Fixed
What can I say... I don't ask for much and am easy to please. :)
l3v1ck 6th October 2010, 09:46 Quote
I don't care about pointlessly fast response times. I care about image quality and viewing angles.
I can't even spot motion blur or lagging on my five year old TFT.
Plus, for a screen that size, the resolution is pants.
wuyanxu 6th October 2010, 10:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xir
Ah, the old Bit-Tech disease...
We're talking about a 400$ monitor here.

Comparisons with
>1000$ monitors are unsuited


the Hazro one should be pretty cheap, around £600 to £700. since it'll only have displayport, and no OSD.

but yeah, you won't get any IPS panel for less than 500 USD.
Burdman27911 6th October 2010, 14:24 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentai
I often wish the response time of my monitor was faster than 2MS when I'm compiling the latest vacation memories. i will be the first to pick one of these up.
Can you elaborate? I've never felt the need for a faster response time, maybe a faster refresh rate like a 120Hz screen (fluidity in OS and higher FPS in games), but never felt like the pixels weren't responding fast enough for me... and I'm using "slow" IPS and PVA panels.

Just so you know, at 60Hz each frame is displayed for 16.7ms... I think a little bit of perspective might help weed out marketing schemes. Anything <10ms is a short time, and ghosting should not be an issue if your pixels can equalize in less time than your refresh rate...
Picarro 6th October 2010, 14:34 Quote
Uhm. Who actually cares for viewing angles beyond normal? No one games with their line of sight parallel to the screen -.-'
kempez 6th October 2010, 14:35 Quote
I don't know how people can even stand TN panels, IPS is so ridiculously superior it's not even funny.

I don't get tearing in games, just enable vsynch and it's a whole world of gaming awesomeness.

And I certainly don't miss lugging around my huge old CRT
Mentai 6th October 2010, 14:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Burdman27911
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentai
I often wish the response time of my monitor was faster than 2MS when I'm compiling the latest vacation memories. i will be the first to pick one of these up.
Can you elaborate? I've never felt the need for a faster response time, maybe a faster refresh rate like a 120Hz screen (fluidity in OS and higher FPS in games), but never felt like the pixels weren't responding fast enough for me... and I'm using "slow" IPS and PVA panels.

Just so you know, at 60Hz each frame is displayed for 16.7ms... I think a little bit of perspective might help weed out marketing schemes. Anything <10ms is a short time, and ghosting should not be an issue if your pixels can equalize in less time than your refresh rate...

I was being sarcastic based on their marketing slogans. I can't imagine anyone noticing the difference between 2MS and 1MS in gaming, let alone while watching or compiling "home video".
wuyanxu 6th October 2010, 14:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Picarro
Uhm. Who actually cares for viewing angles beyond normal? No one games with their line of sight parallel to the screen -.-'
surely you'll do more than 1 thing with your monitor.

when gaming, my TN 24inch is fine. but when watching films, where i use my armchair, the viewing angle is way off centre, so a wide vertical viewing angle is needed.

or, if you want to show people stuff, with TN, even 2 people viewing will be a problem.
Picarro 6th October 2010, 14:58 Quote
Well .. My 22" LG screen is not exactly weigthy, so rotating it is not gonna be a major problem for anyone .. Unless you lack arms .. In which case there's a whole new level of problems.

And I don't know about you, but I haven't got any problem what so ever showing people stuff on my screen. You guys must have the most crappy panelse ever produced O.o
alf- 6th October 2010, 17:47 Quote
a response time of 0.001, because that is so much better than 0.002.

jeez this is stupid, no ones going to notice any difference, hell its debatable if you could really notice any difference below 0.010, the human eye is by no means perfect, its has limitations.

just a silly marketing ploy, manufacturers are desperate to make their products look better than their competitors, so they quote specs like these to fool the people who don't know better.
cebla 6th October 2010, 22:08 Quote
I am far more interested on its input lag than its response time. When I am playing an FPS I don't really care if there is a little blur, but it really bites when I see everything 100ms after it happened.
Xir 7th October 2010, 12:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
the Hazro one should be pretty cheap, around £600 to £700. since it'll only have displayport, and no OSD.

but yeah, you won't get any IPS panel for less than 500 USD.
And we are talking about a
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will be launching in the US this month for $400 (around £252.)
monitor here.

My only point is that there is a tendency in these forums to say: "yes but Produkt XX is much better (at 3-4 times the price)" when it comes to monitors.
I miss al low-cost monitor shootout :D

OT: is Hazro even sold in europe? :?
jimmyjj 7th October 2010, 14:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bumsrush
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
meh

+1 :(

+2
wuyanxu 7th October 2010, 14:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xir
OT: is Hazro even sold in europe? :?

not sure, it's featured on tftcentral.co.uk, so i guess it's being sold in UK.
metarinka 8th October 2010, 01:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by knuck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
BT forums are always good for a laugh, people bemoaning the loss of *CRTs* in 2010, thanks for the smile guys!

If you were as hardcore as we are you would cry as well

I was very hardcore played Counter strike tournaments for years (was good enough to play the likes of team 3d but never beat them). for a long time I argued that flat screens weren't as good, and I think back circa 2004ish they weren't. However once they came out with dvi and hdmi connections they started pulling ahead. As someone who is still a hardcore FPS player I would personally rather play on a modern large flat screen at HD rez then a top of the line CRT as lugging around a 23 inch crt would be beyond practical.

I think the the ghosting issue is moot on modern good quality monitors human reaction time is 15ms I can't say that 1-2ms is the difference between me winning and losing when strategy, a good mouse and keyboard will go much further.

Also with a high resolution monitor with a digital connection I'll often stand very far back and be able to pick up movement I would miss on a smaller or non digital CRT

I wouldn't go back to my 20 inch crt's from my 23 inch flat screen. even tho the contrast was better.
snagpoonage 8th October 2010, 04:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentai
I often wish the response time of my monitor was faster than 2MS when I'm compiling the latest vacation memories. i will be the first to pick one of these up.

ha, I see what you did there...
robots 8th October 2010, 07:35 Quote
I don't get the obsession with speed. Mine is way higher than that and yet doesn't give me ANY problems at all. A far bigger concern should be getting these monitors out without dead pixels, stuck pixels, backlight bleed, and image retention. I want to see the quality of that improve with future screens.
Xir 8th October 2010, 11:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by robots
A far bigger concern should be getting these monitors out without dead pixels, stuck pixels, backlight bleed, and image retention.
Thats why I buy online...
Get it sent home and send over full screen black, white, etc.
You'll notice dead pixels immediately and can send it back with NO REASON AT ALL.
(As "dead" or "stuck" pixels are no valid reason for RMAing)
Try doing that in a shop :D
NethLyn 8th October 2010, 20:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
BT forums are always good for a laugh, people bemoaning the loss of *CRTs* in 2010, thanks for the smile guys!

I don't feel the need to defend technology that works, and as for flicker, that's what 100Hz in Windows XP is for...for some reason you needed to faff about in Vista and 7 to force the mode to appear.

I know what will happen, they'll solve all the tech issues with current TFTs then we'll get the OLED and SED monitors out as the next big thing with their own brand new set of problems, it's the old tech merry-go-round...
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