Rumour: GeForce GTS 450 due end of August
Our artists impression of what the upcoming GF106 core from Nvidia might look like.
While that's just six weeks from now, we've been asking around and a few companies don't even have chips to test yet! That's leaving things tight because cards using the chip will have to be on a boat to the US and UK within the next couple of weeks, and it means Nvidia may just supply partners with full reference boards and differentiation will simply be via a sticker and box bundle.
The GF106 will, according to rumours be marketed as the GeForce GTS 450 - the first Fermi with the 'GTS' name - and will feature a 128-bit memory bus but with 1GB of memory.
No other information about cores and clocks are yet available, but given the name we assume it'll drop in below the GTX 460s to compete against the Radeon HD 5770/50s.
We'll continue to keep an ear out and let you know, but tell us if you're waiting for the new DirectX 11 mainstream Nvidia card, in the forums!
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Discuss in the forums Replyplease update link so its has the above one in (we are english)
other note that site is Very unoptimised with 130 pics loading on it
LOL, the GTX460 doesn't seem to be any of the above. If it's true then the GTS450 wont either. So that's the low and mid range taken back by Nvidia without suffering from any of the above either. Rumours also a foot that the GTX470/480 have also had the same makeover and also wont suffer from any of the above. So even though the GTX480 takes the highend single card purely on performance, the new version will take it on everything else as well.
When will the naming madness end? 480, 470, 460 now 450. Im assuming that there will be GTX/GT/GTS variants. Waaaghhhhh
Its not so bad. The 8 and 9 series I didnt like. 8800GTX,Ultra,GT and 9600GT,GSO,GS.
I dont like GTX465 but the rest of it makes sense so far for this series.
As for all the ati fanboys you obviously haven't got the latest news. Even Charlie is having trouble finding anything bad to say about the GF460. The GF450 will have the architectural changes that made the 460 great so chances are it'll also be pretty good, although the 5770 is going to put up more of a fight then the lame 5830 ever could.
LoL, point taken
However, my original comment was really meant as broad generalization about the state of Nvidia products rather than one individual product.
But I think that got lost somewhere down the line.
Lets hear it for badly written, badly thought out, poorly worded, half asleep comments, Wooooo : )
(Remembers fondly my Geforce 256 *sigh*)
Are people still seriously using this shockingly bad excuse to not buy very good GPU's? Christ if you missed out on the whole HD4k series and skip the 5k series because of some long extinct fallacy of dodgy drivers I almost feel sorry for you.
I dont know what happened during the X1900XT and HD3800 (I was using Nvidia during that period) series but i've owned ATI GPU's from the excellent 9800PRO through to the X1800XT, 2900PRO and 4800's and I can tell you not one of those gave nowhere near the trouble I had with my 9800GX2.
Yup, Charlie thinks the 460 is a good card though not for Nvdia:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/07/21/gf104gtx460-has-huge-die/
This is a huge problem for Nvidia, as it's where the biggest money is made.
Niceone! ;)
But wasn't that a sandwich card? like all sandwich cards, they have major driver issues.
Um, not possible. The 470/480 are gf100 architecture. For them to have "the same make over" would mean nVdia dumping the gf100 architecture and bring out a higher performing card based on the gf104 form. While that is no doubt possible it would mean nVidia admitting to Fermi, in it's original form, being the huge failure we all know it to be. And just how dumb would you feel seeing a cooler, quiter, cheaper and faster version of the 470/480 appear having just bought a Fermi original ...in the last three months, or less!
ATI still have issues with drivers if ATI had an tool that would completely remove and fix what ever it brakes or something broke i would buy ATI i think 10.6 has fixed most issues from when 10.1 came out so call that **** really, and my friend is going to have to reload is system now as his CF wil not Show in CCC (that seems to be the issue any way its reporting it as disabled when its not)
New issue thought the Screaming chokes got an 5850 for an customer and when i was testing it was very noisy (from the chokes or what ever it is) , Nvidia cards do it as well but you need to be doing 1000 FPS (ATI tool running the artifact test), takes to long to fix issues that should not be there in the first place
if i get an Nvidia card i know its going to work or it be an dead card when i turn it on (not that i have had dead cards, i have killed them but that was my fault), and the fan noise the users are having with GTX480 does not seem to happen here temps seem normal to me (85-90c i had 9800GX2 running for the last year at 100c Folding@home only had 1.5 dead {one half of an second 9800GX2 is still working} out of 12 but all that folding has stopped permanently now for the time been CPU or GPU)
still happy with my GTX480 as it is at the moment i do not need an second GTX480, unless i get 3 monitors for the NV surround thing, and i am not disappointed with it at all performing as expected, just with they get there ass in gear and bring out the GTS450 or lower end versions as do not want to use rebanded GTS250 or lower (GTX260 still costs to much for customers i deal with, i want an DX11 card for £100 {£80 trade} )
if ATI could get there software sorted out to work correctly i would buy there cards some have issues with ATI but compared to Nvidia as a lot more users use Nvidia then ATI the amount of users who have issues it to much, 3 of my friends when the ATI route and that failed when BF BC2 came out taken ATI 3-4 months to bring fixed drivers out for it and other issues that you get with ATI and new games they got, most of my customers do not update there Nvidia drivers and some have been running on 1-2 year and the games still work fine
side note CCC for vista or higher is **** please give us the option to use classic layout like XP as it takes to long to access parts of CCC under vista or higher (or even better Dump .net CCC and rebuild it from the ground up, as i am guessing that fix most issues with CCC related stuff)
i am no fan but i buy what works 99.9% of the time not 50/50 or 20% if its an new game (0% if the update F up the system the requires and windows reload to fix it{my currant friend issue})
I have to say, I completely agree with D-Cyph3r. I've owned 2 generations of ATI cards as well as the previous 2 generations of Nvidia's and truthfully they are both at a very similar level in my opinion, I've never had any issue's with ATI drivers and I think NVidia fans are using it as a cheap dig towards ATI and the fact of the matter is it simply isn't true.
This point I have to agree with though and It has definitely put me off recommending 5850's. I had a GTX 260 with the same issue but this was only during menu's with very high frames etc but now I'm getting coil whine at any time the card goes up to it's default gaming clocks without even mentioning when it's overclocked when it becomes by far the loudest thing in my system and can become very distracting.
Agreed, the only minus I can think of with the GTX460 is that a few of the designs are a little noisy as they can't do TRI-SLI (for obvious performance related reasons).
I feel Nvidia are big enough and successful enough to redesign any of their cards. When the 470/480 were due out, it apparently was always bound for a short run due to the problems early on. The 460 and 450 maybe the first in the new line.
You don't go and just redesign a whole architecture without calling it a NEW architecture! It isn't possible (read cost effective/profitable) to "redo" gf100/fermi. The only path open would be to put it on a smaller die but that ain't possible because TMSC don't have 32nm avaiable and Fermi into 28nm don't go and neither nVdia nor Ati are going to use 28nm simply as a vehicle for a refresh. Both will use it as a selling point for their next architecture which in the case of Ati will be Northern Islands. As for nVidia ...who knows; they're still struggling with this version of 40nm parts.
Company bashing and forum trolling seems to be far to common nowdays, and it's a good job I ignored all the idiotic commenting as my card works just fine ;)
I didn't buy ATI myself, purely because the two previous ATI cards I had both failed on me (overheated and cooked themselves) so I trusted nvidia and shockingly... it's fine even on the "lame powerhungry (so you lot would tell the world without owning one)" monster of a card I have.
Nice to see some lower priced revisions coming through too... £420 well spent for me ^^
Nvidia rumours before the 470/480 came out were I repeat "always bound for a short run".
Nvidia struggling? even in one of their worst quarters they still made a huge profit. Something AMD didn't do in their BEST quarter!
I think its time drivers were looked at more often than releasing video cars.
same here GTX480 runs as expected not as the noisy hype went on to say so (heat seems fine at 85-90c and deferentially quieter then the 9800GX2's i had)
once you have owned ATI once you never own it again normaly if you had driver issues (3-4 of my friends are ebaying there ATI cards and getting the GTX470 or maybe the 460 soon due to the currant issues they are Still having after 3-4 months)