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Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card

Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card

Two GF100 GPUs make the card an absolute beast.

We've got our hands on leaked pics of Asus' upcoming dual GPU card and it's a monster. Asus previously told us during our recent Ares interview that if it was to do a dual Nvidia Fermi card, it would be looking to use GF100s (ie the full fat chip found in the GTX 480), not the lower power GF104 which was the basis of the recent GTX 460.

Each of the two GeForce GTX 480 GPUs (GF100-375-A3) on this massive Asus card have 480 stream processors, and are connected to 1,536 MB of GDDR5 memory across a 384-bit wide memory interface.Nvidia's NF200 (A3 version) chip is also used.

Powering each core are four chunky power phases, with one driver, two chokes and six MOSFETs per phase, with one equally sized phase for the memory too. The card appears to be 30cm in length if we extrapolate from the fact that about half the card is 15cm. It requires three 8-pin PCI-E power connectors.

Next to these is a circular gizmo - we're guessing it's something RoG specific - maybe an OC or overvolt tool. Republic of Gamer hardware often débuts with a new or revised performance feature.

There is no indication of the cooling yet as we've only managed to obtain PCB shots, however given a normal GeForce GTX 480 is hot, expect the apparatus involved to be considerable. Given that there's only one fan connector and that if we assume Asus will use the knowledge gained from its Ares card - which promoted the use of a single, large fan, maybe Asus will try a variation on this method again.

Asus even expects two in a case for quad SLI, or at least maybe paired with a third GTX 480 with the SLI connector in the top corner.

Hopefully Nvidia will be happy one of its partners is chancing such a ludicrously powerful card - but then that's not always been the case with these kind of products. Last year at Computex when Asus showed off its original Mars with dual GTX 285s - one upping Nvidia's own GTX 295 in the process - we were told a top Nvidian was so livid with Asus that he stormed onto the booth telling them to pull the card from show! If Nvidia is making a dual GF104 card, then we wonder how Asus one upping them once again will go down...

Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card

Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card

Asus shows off dual Nvidia Fermi card
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Omnituens 16th July 2010, 18:17 Quote
Footlong toastie anyone?
Fingers66 16th July 2010, 18:19 Quote
Been a discussion under way about it since early this afternoon, do catch up bit-tech :D

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=191021
Andy Mc 16th July 2010, 18:31 Quote
words......fail.........
Redbeaver 16th July 2010, 18:34 Quote
big.
jsheff 16th July 2010, 18:49 Quote
Wow, just imagine how many holes you could drill in THAT PCB, eh Bit-Tech? :-p
pimonserry 16th July 2010, 18:52 Quote
What's the pink block hiding in the first picture?
HourBeforeDawn 16th July 2010, 18:53 Quote
OMG lol REALLY? seriously? So I guess dual PSU are back in style then ~_~ and so is rolling black outs >.<
Krikkit 16th July 2010, 18:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by pimonserry
What's the pink block hiding in the first picture?

I would assume it's a diagnostic port of some kind, something for an engineer's test board, but something that won't make it onto the final version.
Krayzie_B.o.n.e. 16th July 2010, 18:57 Quote
I guess Asus has money to burn as their Asus Ares (dual HD 5870) is a total waste of time and money.
for a $1000 I rather buy a car as a HD 5870 2GB ($500) can power a 6 screen Eyefinity set up quit nice.

It's cheaper to just get a gtx 480 SLI set up instead of a $1200 single card that want perform any better than a GTX 480 sli

3 GF 104s on one board would have been better as 3 way GTX 460 sli is not supported.
somidiot 16th July 2010, 19:30 Quote
The little geek in me says this is kinda cool. It does seem pretty extreme though since 1 GTX 480 seems to fit the bill for most games, I'll even give props to AMD for making a good card in the 5870.

I think that's stupid that an Nvidia upper would be mad about that, if they sell more units why should he be all up in arms about it?
trig 16th July 2010, 19:49 Quote
3 eight pin pci-e connectors? jesus...

lolz @ drilling holes in the card jsheff...too funny...
willyolio 16th July 2010, 19:56 Quote
watt is this i don't even....
C-Sniper 16th July 2010, 20:02 Quote
It almost might be worth it to buy it at the MSRP price point and re-sell it on flebay for a nice mark-up.
HourBeforeDawn 16th July 2010, 20:03 Quote
So I was wondering what is really holding back dual gpu cards from being able to connect 4 cards? like on either side XFire or SLI, why couldnt they add an additional connector like on single gpu cards? is it possible but ATI/NVIDIA doesnt want to allow it or is there currently a limitation?
azrael- 16th July 2010, 20:15 Quote
The word "insane" comes to mind...
confusis 16th July 2010, 20:28 Quote
I predict a 3 slot cooler :P
thehippoz 16th July 2010, 20:30 Quote
lol too much.. bet huang is tossin in his bed dreaming of choking out asus engineers

the clover honey in his pink teacup doesn't taste quite as sweet anymore :D
Star*Dagger 16th July 2010, 20:57 Quote
Does anyone even pay attention to nVidia based graphics cards anymore, its been a long long time since they beat ATI.
xaser04 16th July 2010, 21:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Article

we were told a top Nvidian was so livid with Asus that he stormed onto the booth telling them to pull the card from show! If Nvidia is making a dual GF104 card, then we wonder how Asus one upping them once again will go down...

Looks like Asus are putting a cheeky middle finger up to Nvidia with this card. Well that and the 'because we can attitude they seem to have.

The entusiant in me loves it, the practical person in my thinks they are mad.
Tangster 16th July 2010, 21:10 Quote
Perfect for the BBQ summer. I wanted a grill.
Tulatin 16th July 2010, 21:13 Quote
ASUS Just needs to cut it's losses already.

They should release a 4 Femri Core card with 3192MB ram, consisting of 3 logic boards:

Top board: Power. Two Femri cores, half the ram, and a GF100 chip
Middle board: The other two cores and half of the ram.
Bottom board: Power rectification - in the footsteps of the V5-6000, this needs an external, surge protected connector for power. I'm not sure if they would put the entire 500W power supply on this board (shouldn't be a huge issue, as we do have 1U 500W units), or just a DC-DC unit. In any case.

Of course, I'd say the very top slot should have 3-4 HDMI or Displayport - since we want flexibility here.

The only big issue is that I don't see much of a market for $3,500 6-slot {gaming} cards.
PandaMonster 16th July 2010, 21:38 Quote
As if one Fermi wasn't inefficient enough (super hot, super power hungry), now you have TWO extremely hot and super power hungry Fermi's in one package.

If this thing isn't water-cooled, it's going to heat up your room in this hot summer faster than the heater can say "who stole my job."

Talk about excessive heat, excessive wattage, and excessive noise from the 100,000rpm fans.

Right on Asus!
PandaMonster 16th July 2010, 21:42 Quote
In fact, the 5970 would be a much better buy as it would run much cooler, and take half the wattage, at literally HALF the price tag.
HourBeforeDawn 16th July 2010, 22:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by PandaMonster
As if one Fermi wasn't inefficient enough (super hot, super power hungry), now you have TWO extremely hot and super power hungry Fermi's in one package.

If this thing isn't water-cooled, it's going to heat up your room in this hot summer faster than the heater can say "who stole my job."

Talk about excessive heat, excessive wattage, and excessive noise from the 100,000rpm fans.

Right on Asus!

I completely agree this would have to be water cooled or else like someone else said the cooler alone would take up the remaining slots lol. Probably have an AC unit for it =p yay more power draw lol.
technogiant 16th July 2010, 22:31 Quote
I wouldn't put one 480 in my chasis let alone two......they really should have done this this the gf104 chip from the gtx460....perhaps with the full chip enabled rather than only 7/8th's.....This card will be a power sucking heat generating over expensive monster
Tulatin 16th July 2010, 22:34 Quote
That said, you people raging about this product do realize, that just like ASUS' 4 GPU mars cards, it's a limited run collectors-****ery sort of item, right?
memeroot 16th July 2010, 22:41 Quote
could be great
paisa666 16th July 2010, 22:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by trig
3 eight pin pci-e connectors? jesus...

lolz @ drilling holes in the card jsheff...too funny...

Would you have the kindness to explaing jsheff joke to me.. i dont undestand it :|
McSteel 16th July 2010, 22:54 Quote
I'd arrange the polymer capacitors into a swastika and call this card the ASUS HITLER - Highly Inefficient Thermally Labile Example of Redundancy.

Yes, it is THAT superfluous. Except maybe for 3DMark junkies...
docodine 16th July 2010, 22:58 Quote
The shroud is probably made of Vantec Tornados.
HourBeforeDawn 16th July 2010, 23:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by docodine
The shroud is probably made of Vantec Tornados.

nope probably 220CFM Deltas =p
Bakes 16th July 2010, 23:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by paisa666
Quote:
Originally Posted by trig
3 eight pin pci-e connectors? jesus...

lolz @ drilling holes in the card jsheff...too funny...

Would you have the kindness to explaing jsheff joke to me.. i dont undestand it :|

Every bit-tech graphics review comes with a picture of the card with no cooler. With the gtx480, in the process of removing the cooler they managed to strip one of the screws. Time was late, everyone wanted to get home, so out came the trusty dremel to cut the screw off so the critical shot could be taken. *Slip*. Oops. Before the graphics card has even been launched to the general public, before the first review numbers have been made available, bit-tech have destroyed their sample of what was at that time the most exclusive graphics card in the world by drilling a neat hole in the PCB.

All that's left of it in the labs is the cooler - EVGA took back the board so that they could salvage what they could from it and make it into a new product.
Sheiken 17th July 2010, 00:18 Quote
"2" is higher than "1", alas two will always be better.

That is what I suppose the logic behind this card is...
Pete J 17th July 2010, 00:27 Quote
At least the card will be single PCB. Imagine the even greater cooling problem if it followed in the footsteps of the GX2 and the first 295s.
Unknownsock 17th July 2010, 01:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by PandaMonster
In fact, the 5970 would be a much better buy as it would run much cooler, and take half the wattage, at literally HALF the price tag.

Your forgetting that the Mars/ROG cards are for people who don't care about money.

This should be a good time to market too, unlike the original Mars card that came out just before the 5*** series.
crazyceo 17th July 2010, 03:49 Quote
This might be the turning point for the GTX480. It needed a good working over and ASUS appear to have thought this one out quite well. Stick a water cooler on this puppy and it will shut up all the heat and noise issues instantly while wiping the floor with anything ATi has to offer. Power draw? yes thats the important question but lets not forget if you can afford one of these cards then something little like an electricity bill shouldn't be a problem.
Tulatin 17th July 2010, 04:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by crazyceo
This might be the turning point for the GTX480. It needed a good working over and ASUS appear to have thought this one out quite well. Stick a water cooler on this puppy and it will shut up all the heat and noise issues instantly while wiping the floor with anything ATi has to offer. Power draw? yes thats the important question but lets not forget if you can afford one of these cards then something little like an electricity bill shouldn't be a problem.

It's not going to be. Each card is about $1,500. Even in high density situations, they're impractical. Especially considering that 7 full slots of these has a maximum theoretical draw is over 3.5kW. Cooling that would be an atrocity; not to mention powering it... while it's an interesting concept for a render farm, but just prohibitive.
Elton 17th July 2010, 04:22 Quote
You know the thing about people today, they keep bashing the GTX480, it's honestly not that bad of a card, it outperforms the HD5870 like it should, admittedly it's hungry, and a bit noisy, but still it's not as bad as people say it is.

AS for this dual chip, it harkens back to Voodoo's cards.
dyzophoria 17th July 2010, 04:23 Quote
i doubt watercooling would be that easy, even if I had mad enough money to buy and shoulder everything for this card i would doubt id buy it, to show off?, heck i would just buy a ferrari or something
docodine 17th July 2010, 04:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton
You know the thing about people today, they keep bashing the GTX480, it's honestly not that bad of a card, it outperforms the HD5870 like it should, admittedly it's hungry, and a bit noisy, but still it's not as bad as people say it is.

AS for this dual chip, it harkens back to Voodoo's cards.

The cheapest GTX 480 is $100 more than the cheapest 5870 I can find, performance is within 5% of each other in almost every case, it's noisier and hotter.

Yes, it does CUDA and has PhysX, so the GTX 480 isn't a bad card, it just makes no sense to most people to buy one.
Elton 17th July 2010, 04:34 Quote
I'll admit, the GTX480 isn't the greatest for the money, but in SLI it's a bit of a different story, the GTX480 in SLI is just...well phenomenal.

If you watercool of course.
general22 17th July 2010, 06:23 Quote
GTX480, 470, 465 are a waste of time. NV needs to enable all the shaders on GF104 and then boost the clocks up but I am guessing they probably have a similar product on the way. It's a huge middle finger to early adopters but GF104 makes far more sense in the Geforce range. Leave the full Fermi with ECC and DP support for the Tesla market.
Elton 17th July 2010, 06:57 Quote
Enabling all the shaders on the GF104 would only result in a 384, that's still a ways from 480.
bladesavage 17th July 2010, 09:07 Quote
Nuclear power plant sold separately...
xaser04 17th July 2010, 09:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by general22
GTX480, 470, 465 are a waste of time. NV needs to enable all the shaders on GF104 and then boost the clocks up but I am guessing they probably have a similar product on the way. It's a huge middle finger to early adopters but GF104 makes far more sense in the Geforce range. Leave the full Fermi with ECC and DP support for the Tesla market.

If you are a surround user (or are thinking about it) the GTX480 and GTX470 cards are far from a waste of time.

Both the GTX480 and GTX470 scale better than the HD5870 when running in multi GPU scenarios (former card especially so). The extra memory could also be useful when running 5760x1080 and beyond.

I agree though the GTX465 was and is a complete dog. The only sacing grace it had was ATI also launched a dog in the shape of the HD5830.
j_jay4 17th July 2010, 09:45 Quote
It's just amazing the power circuitry on that board covers at least half of it,
Bakes 17th July 2010, 11:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tulatin
It's not going to be. Each card is about $1,500. Even in high density situations, they're impractical. Especially considering that 7 full slots of these has a maximum theoretical draw is over 3.5kW. Cooling that would be an atrocity; not to mention powering it... while it's an interesting concept for a render farm, but just prohibitive.

Where does it say that it's going to be 7 slots? All the pictures I've seen show a one-board GPU.

Yes, this will probably end up as a premium board, like the Ares (which comes in an attache case LOL) but it's still a fun idea.
javaman 17th July 2010, 11:36 Quote
Would be safer coming with a full cover water block IMO. It certainly will be interesting to see how it performs. ASUS do some pretty insane cards but with insane prices to match, i can't see this being any different.
Bakes 17th July 2010, 12:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
Would be safer coming with a full cover water block IMO. It certainly will be interesting to see how it performs. ASUS do some pretty insane cards but with insane prices to match, i can't see this being any different.

I'd say that it should come with a waterblock, but not for the reasons you think (2xGTX480 can be cooled if you throw enough time into it).

Other high end cards (such as the Ares, or even the Matrix 5870) are bloody fast but they have aircoolers which can get quite noisy. If you've got a large amount of money to spend on a premium product, you'd probably have a large amount to spend on cooling it as well. The problem is that Asus have obviously used custom PCBs, so noone makes waterblocks, thus making watercooling it hard and difficult.

For a card that costs that much, you'd want it to at least be coolable.
rollo 17th July 2010, 12:59 Quote
You can only install 4 gpu per system 2 per card so 2 cards not 4 as that's 8 gpu

480 cheapest pre installed water cooled card is alot of money sadly
Teh C 17th July 2010, 17:21 Quote
If it follows the trend of Asus' republic of gamers cards then it will have a massive air cooler and big overclock while costing £1000.

For £1000 you could watercool two normal GTX480s, or even three HD5870s (albeit for a bit over £1000)
Tulatin 17th July 2010, 18:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bakes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulatin
It's not going to be. Each card is about $1,500. Even in high density situations, they're impractical. Especially considering that 7 full slots of these has a maximum theoretical draw is over 3.5kW. Cooling that would be an atrocity; not to mention powering it... while it's an interesting concept for a render farm, but just prohibitive.

Where does it say that it's going to be 7 slots? All the pictures I've seen show a one-board GPU.

Yes, this will probably end up as a premium board, like the Ares (which comes in an attache case LOL) but it's still a fun idea.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, huh? I said 7 slots OF THESE. Meaning populating each of 7 slots with one of these cards - which would probably create an instant water boiler.
Kojak 17th July 2010, 20:47 Quote
Ahrrrr baby I want one...

...just going down the shop now to buy my lottery ticket lol!!!
Bakes 17th July 2010, 22:31 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulatin
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suite, huh? I said 7 slots OF THESE. Meaning populating each of 7 slots with one of these cards - which would probably create an instant water boiler.

How would that be helpful in any way? You can only use up to 4 gpus in quad-SLI, which means two cards.

There's absolutely no point using any more than two of these cards (because they wouldn't be used), which would draw a maximum of around 1200W. I read your post exactly, I just don't see how you plan to fit 7 of these in a system when there will certainly be at least a 2 slot cooler and where you'll only be able to use two of the cards.
Tulatin 17th July 2010, 23:26 Quote
CUDA.

Secondly, if someone made you waterblocks for them, you could wedge these into single slots.

While a 14 GPU (and presumably 12 core) render farm is titillating to think of, the 4,000W it'd draw ain't.
Bakes 18th July 2010, 00:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tulatin
CUDA.

Secondly, if someone made you waterblocks for them, you could wedge these into single slots.

While a 14 GPU (and presumably 12 core) render farm is titillating to think of, the 4,000W it'd draw ain't.

Or the £10k+ price tag?

It would be *SO MUCH* cheaper to simply use either more than one computer or just use pcie splitters and normal GTX480s.

I can't think of any possible consumer or prosumer uses for this, purely because it would be massively low value for money in comparison to the other options.
general22 18th July 2010, 01:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by xaser04
If you are a surround user (or are thinking about it) the GTX480 and GTX470 cards are far from a waste of time.

ATI has a better solution with Eyefinity unless you are talking of 3D as well.
Quote:

Both the GTX480 and GTX470 scale better than the HD5870 when running in multi GPU scenarios (former card especially so). The extra memory could also be useful when running 5760x1080 and beyond.

I agree though the GTX465 was and is a complete dog. The only sacing grace it had was ATI also launched a dog in the shape of the HD5830.

True but what I am saying is that they could have refined GF100 as they did with GF104 to strip out the features not essential to drawing 3D graphics to produce a better graphics card. What they did instead was rush GTX 480 to market as they were way behind schedule anyway.
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Originally Posted by Elton
Enabling all the shaders on the GF104 would only result in a 384, that's still a ways from 480.

Yep but you can boost the clocks up a lot higher on GF104 as well, you can get performance greater than a GTX 470. I don't think it would be possible to challenge GTX 480 though with a GF104 chip.
Bakes 18th July 2010, 01:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by general22
Yep but you can boost the clocks up a lot higher on GF104 as well, you can get performance greater than a GTX 470. I don't think it would be possible to challenge GTX 480 though with a GF104 chip.

nVidia uses market segmentation for the highest profits possible. IMO, the reason why the GTX460 is clocked so low at stock (they could have clocked it at least 75MHz higher imo) is that having it clocked higher would push the 460 closer to the more profitable 470.
Anfield 18th July 2010, 01:12 Quote
oops sorry, double posted.
Anfield 18th July 2010, 01:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Teh C
If it follows the trend of Asus' republic of gamers cards then it will have a massive air cooler and big overclock while costing £1000.

The 480 is faster and more expensive than the 5870. The Ares uses 2x 5870s, the Ares costs 1200£, so this will probably be closer to 1500£ if it ever hits the market (which I don't really believe in).
Tulatin 18th July 2010, 01:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bakes
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Originally Posted by Tulatin
CUDA.

Secondly, if someone made you waterblocks for them, you could wedge these into single slots.

While a 14 GPU (and presumably 12 core) render farm is titillating to think of, the 4,000W it'd draw ain't.

Or the £10k+ price tag?

It would be *SO MUCH* cheaper to simply use either more than one computer or just use pcie splitters and normal GTX480s.

I can't think of any possible consumer or prosumer uses for this, purely because it would be massively low value for money in comparison to the other options.

So yeah. The only real time when something like that would be appropriate is where you need as much processing power as possible inside a really confined area. Considering just a few racks of SAN (Storage Across the Network) can run into the millions, 250k per rack of insane processing power isn't much.

But if you're doing something like that, I assume you can just work directly with NVIDIA to create custom femri blade servers...

That said, I really wouldn't want to hear what the fans sound like when air is all you have to cool 48 femri cores.
rollo 18th July 2010, 11:04 Quote
For the brain dead

4gpus max per system which means 2 total of this card as it has 2 gpu on it you can't but 7 in sli even if you wanted to

4 x 480 would be cheaper and faster
Tulatin 18th July 2010, 14:05 Quote
Sigh.

Before anyone else goes waffling on about some imaginary GPU limit, read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA

You aren't using 7 of these cards for gaming. You're using them to crunch data in specific programs. Say a folding rig. So yes, while 4 x 480 would be faster, I fail to see how 4 GPUs would be faster than 14.
rickysio 18th July 2010, 16:36 Quote
I think that in terms of CUDA performance this will simply crush everything that it replaces.
Elton 18th July 2010, 18:16 Quote
I'm hoping Asus is willing to make a special waterblock for this. Unless on of the BT members makes a waterblock for this, like how they made a waterblock for the FX5900.
Archandel 19th July 2010, 13:17 Quote
But will it blend?!
Pooeypants 19th July 2010, 20:19 Quote
The Asus Ares 5870 costs 1200 quid over here, that's 1800USD. Enough to kit out a full system with dual 5870 and have enough money to buy a decent monitor. It does come in a nice case though...

How long is this card going to be?
[USRF]Obiwan 20th July 2010, 12:42 Quote
Am I the only one that thinks that 1 DVI, 1 HDMI and 1 HDMI-mini output is not that impressive for a dual GPU card.
Bakes 20th July 2010, 14:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
Am I the only one that thinks that 1 DVI, 1 HDMI and 1 HDMI-mini output is not that impressive for a dual GPU card.

It's an nVidia limitation.
Action_Parsnip 20th July 2010, 20:03 Quote
354 bungholio-marks dont lie!
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