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Photo leaks of Apple Tablet glass

Photo leaks of Apple Tablet glass

The image - provided to The Mac Observer - shows an almost identical layout to the iPhone glass, but 10" on the diagonal.

While the world waits with bated breath for Apple to finally and categorically confirm - for the chances of the rumours proving untrue at this point are minimal - the existence of a tablet designed to bridge the gap between the iPhone and the MacBook, a photo of the front panel of the alleged device has been leaked.

The rather blurry image, provided by an anonymous benefactor - described as a trusted source - to The Mac Observer, shows an upscaled iPhone front panel, which the source describes as measuring 10" diagonally - a significant increase over the iPhone's 3.5" display.

Aside from the size, the layout of the panel will be familiar to anyone who has use an iPhone or an iPod Touch: a slit at the top provides room for the speaker to breathe, while a circular hole at the bottom provides space for a 'home' button which will return the user to the initial menu screen at any time.

Where the panel layout differs is in the presence of a small hole in the upper left which could represent either room for a notification LED, or for a microphone - at 10" diagonal this is a unit you'll be using sat in front of you rather than clamped to your ear, so the positioning would make sense if it weren't for its close proximity to the speaker.

The size of the panel fits with rumours reported by Softpedia that manufacturers are experiencing increased demand for 10.1" OLED panels from an OEM who wishes to remain nameless.

Should the rumours prove true Apple fans who were hoping for something a bit more upmarket than an upscaled iPhone - such as the nifty MacBook modification dubbed the ModBook by third-party Axiotron - are likely to be disappointed. If the tablet runs the cut-down iPhone operating system, rather than the full blown Mac OS X that features on the company's desktops and laptops, that disappointment is almost certain.

That said, there is currently no concrete evidence that this represents Apple's long-awaited entry into the tablet market: even if the measurements are accurate, it's as likely to be a front panel for a mock demonstration iPhone to be used as an eye-catch in Apple stores than as the basis for Apple's latest product.

Would you consider buying a 10" iPhone, or are you hoping that the images just represent the 3.5" iPhone 4G and the trusted source has its facts and figures twisted? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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AcidJiles 13th January 2010, 11:05 Quote
first.

All I can say is meh
Matticus 13th January 2010, 11:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by AcidJiles
first.

All I can say is meh

:|

I don't know if I like the idea of a tablet, I don't know what I would do on it.

Having an big version of the iphone os would be pretty terrible, though the core of apple elitists will buy it anyway. OSX ran ok on my 10inch eee when I did a test hackintosh, so scaling it down would surely be very easy.
dyzophoria 13th January 2010, 11:18 Quote
though classy, I really dont like the design of the iphone imo,lol
Unknownsock 13th January 2010, 11:19 Quote
It's a giant, overly expensive and oddly shaped frisby!
LJF 13th January 2010, 11:28 Quote
I find myself struggling to understand the real use/need for any of these new Slate/Tablet devices.

Would anyone care to enlighten me with some suggested uses that would make buying one even remotely feasible?
l3v1ck 13th January 2010, 11:28 Quote
I hope it's got more than an iPhone under the bonnet.
mi1ez 13th January 2010, 11:32 Quote
This doesn't look genuine to me...
GreatOldOne 13th January 2010, 11:34 Quote
Ok - why the hell would a tablet require a slot for an earpiece speaker? You're not going to use at as a phone - at 10.1 inches, if you used it in the same manner as an iPhone, the mic for the receiver would be too far away from your face. And it'd be damn uncomfortable to hold in one hand...

I call fake. Mr Ives will have come up with something much more tablet like than that.
liratheal 13th January 2010, 11:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by GreatOldOne
Ok - why the hell would a tablet require a slot for an earpiece speaker? You're not going to use at as a phone - at 10.1 inches, if you used it in the same manner as an iPhone, the mic for the receiver would be too far away from your face. And it'd be damn uncomfortable to hold in one hand...

I call fake. Mr Ives will have come up with something much more tablet like than that.

This.

Unless they're making an iPhone for giants?
cybergenics 13th January 2010, 11:47 Quote
Another Apple 'solution' looking for a problem.
impar 13th January 2010, 11:48 Quote
Greetings!

All I have to say quote regarding Apples tablet:
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How Apple manipulates the media
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Fruit-themed toymaker Apple might not be able to beat anyone to the punch on technology but is instead simply better at manipulating the media than its rivals.
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What would happen is that a senior company executive would ask him to release specific information to a “trusted person” at a major media outlet. Martellaro would "idly mention" the information in a telephone conversation, and to suggest to a reporter that publishing it would be "nice." E-mail correspondence was not allowed.

If there's ever any dispute about what transpired, there's no paper trail to contradict either party's version of the story.
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The upshot of this is that while Apple rumours on its tablet get a lot of traction, rivals offering identical or cheaper products are ignored. Microsoft's Steve Ballmer showed a tablet to CES yesterday and the media largely ignored it. The tablet has what is believed to have the same functionality of the Apple machine but had been kept under wraps by Vole.
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Expectations have been so manipulated that it is impossible to see the technology from the hype. What is alarming is that it is press, often cynical at similar manipulations from politicians, which is supposed to help consumers navigate their way through such manipulations. With Apple the masters of media hype and spin, it has turned every media outlet into a marketing employee. It is not surprising that Apple is able to hawk over priced PCs on an ignorant public many of whom think they have a good deal.
harveypooka 13th January 2010, 12:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by AcidJiles
first.

All I can say is meh

I'm interested to see what Apple produces.

I don't think it's possible to judge the product based on a blurry and possible false JPEG!
DbD 13th January 2010, 12:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by LJF
I find myself struggling to understand the real use/need for any of these new Slate/Tablet devices.

Would anyone care to enlighten me with some suggested uses that would make buying one even remotely feasible?

Same as netbooks - they are looking for that magical device that fills the gap between laptops and smart phones. Netbooks have all ended up being underpowered laptops (run windows, etc) so a big fail. These early tablets look like oversized phones.

The one area that really wants something that size is an ebook reader. Hence building on that what they really want is something with an screen suitable for ebooks that also does video, web surfing, basic document processing, gps, wireless, built in 3G yet is really slim and light and has 10 hours+ battery life.

Tegra 2 would be a great chip to run something like that, just need the rest of the hardware and software to go with it.
harveypooka 13th January 2010, 12:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
Same as netbooks - they are looking for that magical device that fills the gap between laptops and smart phones. Netbooks have all ended up being underpowered laptops (run windows, etc) so a big fail. These early tablets look like oversized phones.

I know many people at university who use Netbooks and are perfect for a light bit of coding, essay work, and so on.

I work with someone at a charity who uses a Netbook for when he travels to Africa: he has to write reports and use Skype, needs a larger battery life than a laptop can provide. Cheapness is also a factor.

I would not call Netbooks a "fail" at all. They serve people with different requirements.
LJF 13th January 2010, 12:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
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Originally Posted by LJF
I find myself struggling to understand the real use/need for any of these new Slate/Tablet devices.

Would anyone care to enlighten me with some suggested uses that would make buying one even remotely feasible?

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The one area that really wants something that size is an ebook reader. Hence building on that what they really want is something with an screen suitable for ebooks that also does video, web surfing, basic document processing, gps, wireless, built in 3G yet is really slim and light and has 10 hours+ battery life...

Yeah, ok I agree. But being positioned in a gap between netbooks and ebook readers in the marketplace... Surely that's a pretty tight gap!

And for all the hype this yet unconfirmed gadget is receiving, I don't see the mass market flocking blindly to it as they have with the iPhone... at least I hope for humanity's sake they don't! I know so many people with iPhones who do nothing more than call and text. I understand that it's the allure and the fashionability of the device has suckered them in. A 10"+ slab of screen won't have the same credentials. I'm sure it will have an astronomical price tag though!!
simosaurus 13th January 2010, 13:06 Quote
i will be gutted if it looks like this. I don't even want it. it will just be a crime against humanity

It will look exactly like an imac, only smaller and hand held. Uni body alu milled body and buttonless front w/ black borders
Jumeira_Johnny 13th January 2010, 13:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by LJF
Would anyone care to enlighten me with some suggested uses that would make buying one even remotely feasible?
I find the idea appealing for simple web surfing and ebook reading on the sofa or in bed where a full blown laptop is uncomfortable and overpowered. Sitting in a cafe and being able to read newspapers at comfortable resolutions. Moving a full laptop around the house through out the day isn't ideal nor is eating at a table with it next to you.

Having a robust tablet with solid state internals and wifi/3g is perfect for what I use a laptop for 90% of the time. An OLED screen would make reading comfortable for long periods of time, keep heat and battery life reasonable, and still be good enough to display a portfolio to clients.

The fact is, computers are over powered for most of what they are asked to do and aren't ergonomically designed to be functional away from desks. Smaller tablets make sense for this sort of thing. even the eepcs need to be opened and rested on a lap or table, they aren't designed to be held. Try taking a 17" MBP into the loo to read the New York Times, and you'll see what I mean. While my phone can to it, it's best for quick things, not for extended reading. And certainly not for news/magazines that have to be scrolled in 2 directions. Us older people still like the newspaper to be in a newspaper layout.

I'm excited less by what OS it runs, but whether or not I can get subscription magazines in a format I'm used to. To be able to subscribe to all the ones I want, and have them delivered to a tablet rather then by mail is very appealing to someone who travels and moves as often as I do. And since Apple is known to have met with publishers, there is a rather good chance I will be able to do that.
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Originally Posted by LJF
Surely that's a pretty tight gap!
not really.
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Originally Posted by LJF
And for all the hype this yet unconfirmed gadget is receiving, I don't see the mass market flocking blindly to it as they have with the iPhone... at least I hope for humanity's sake they don't!
Well the hype should tell you how much people have been waiting for a device like this. Like I said, you can't read on an iPhone and net books are still laptops. I think this will be well received and spawn a few competitors that will kill the ebook readers (which should never have been designed with such a singular focus), and rightfully so. I think what is pissing everyone off is that Apple is bringing it to market when everyone has been talking about it. How hard would it have been to take a netbook and do this? But no one did. How hard would it have been to scale Android up to do this? But no one did.
Passarinhuu 13th January 2010, 14:41 Quote
The major selling point of Apple's Slate is probably the integration with online store and certains deals with publishers to allow paper media to transit to the new platform. I am really looking forward to knowing what kind of agreements Apple has achieved and what exclusive services will they be able to offer to surpass competition...
Without all of that it will be just another soulless paperweight like some tablets that were presented at CES, and I certainly won't be interested at all
Ape 13th January 2010, 14:44 Quote
Anything we do on iPhone right now can be done even better, i.e. now you can get a proper game of Football Manager running because of the detail levels allowed on the new screen. You can surf a decent sized webpage without having to pinch and stretch the screen to read posts and forums. eBooks suddenly become a waste of £200+ because the tablet will do that and a million more things.

To not understand this will help people achieve more than they currently can on iPhone is almost the same as misunderstanding the need for netbooks ... you do 'get' netbooks right? But you don't 'get' this - right? ... ooh, it's an Apple product! Here we go again.

Lastly, hope that picture is fake. I can't imagine for one second that Apple would invest the sums they have, and security over information leaks to protect THAT!
Sheiken 13th January 2010, 15:03 Quote
I smell hoax! I will bet my girlfriend that the finished product WILL NOT look anything like that.
Come on, you cant really believe that?
Sensible 13th January 2010, 17:19 Quote
At first I thought it was just one of those giant iPhone mockups that the highstreet mobile phone shops have in their window for the iPhone.
Dreaming 13th January 2010, 17:20 Quote
Yea I can't see that being the actual design, but idk. I can see the potential this could have.

I would be more excited if it was google doing this though.
matee 13th January 2010, 17:52 Quote
Imho a 10 inch iPhone would be useless. Where would you use one?
Travel with it? Your better off with an iPhone - its smaller. If you need to do some work, a 10inch tablet will not cut it anyway.
Carry it around with you every day? LoL
At home? Again better off with the notebook.
Read books / magazines? You need a ereader. (at least I dont like reading books from a laptop screen).
I think Apple will come up with something better then 10inch iPhone. Although if it is the case, they will fail to sell it to anyone but fanboys.
I'm not a big fan of Mac's, but I do love my iPhone.
Farfalho 13th January 2010, 17:58 Quote
Looks like more a rotten apple than a fresh lovely one. If they can make something new with brand new and sleek looks, I'll be impressed, other than that it's just meh
13eightyfour 13th January 2010, 18:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by matee
Imho a 10 inch iPhone would be useless. Where would you use one?
Travel with it? Your better off with an iPhone - its smaller. If you need to do some work, a 10inch tablet will not cut it anyway.
Carry it around with you every day? LoL
At home? Again better off with the notebook.
Read books / magazines? You need a ereader. (at least I dont like reading books from a laptop screen).
I think Apple will come up with something better then 10inch iPhone. Although if it is the case, they will fail to sell it to anyone but fanboys.
I'm not a big fan of Mac's, but I do love my iPhone.

I think the idea is to tap into the netbook market with something a little different, Apple have a ready made user base for their products so whether its good or bad it'll still sell by the bucket load.
PureSilver 13th January 2010, 18:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ape
eBooks suddenly become a waste of £200+ because the tablet will do that and a million more things.

Regardless of what I think about the usefulness of eBooks, their USP is something that the iSlate lacks, which is the e-Ink screen. The idea of using a non-backlit screen to conserve battery life to real extremes and reduce eye tiredness is something that the iSlate cannot do. However, the £200 is an excellent point. £200 is a lot of money. In fact, for what I think we can safely assume will be almost certainly twice £200, why would you buy a computer that only comes into it's own when;
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Originally Posted by Jumeira_Johnny
on the sofa or in bed ... Sitting in a cafe ... eating at a table ... [on] the loo...

Regardless of the questionable hygiene of using a touchscreen while on the crapper, none of those situations are what we would call necessary. That's important, because it highlights the intended use of the iSlate; this is a convenience or lifestyle item, not intended for work. That shines through in all the design decisions - runs a mobile OS that isn't Windows Mobile, doesn't have a keyboard, has expensive multitouch screen. You can't do serious work on it anymore than you could on an iPhone - you simply cannot type on a touchscreen with the same efficiency that you can type on phone buttons, let alone a real keyboard. Sure, you can read emails on it, but your replies are tortuously slow and anyway that's something that a Blackberry can handle without trouble and yet magically still fit into your pocket.

The biggest problem with the iSlate is that for the money Apple will be asking, it's very difficult for the average consumer to justify a computer that you cannot really use for work. Expensive computers are not always impossible to justify; a gaming desktop - everyone needs a home computer - or even an expensive laptop like the Air - because they have performance advantages on the go. Either you can use for work. The iSlate is much harder to swallow because not only is it another thing to carry, everything you can do on it you could do equally well if very slightly less comfortably on an iPhone, a laptop, or even a convertible tablet hybrid like the HP TX. That's a big issue, because while the hybrid is a tablet you can hold or have on your lap exactly like the iSlate, it will also do a million things the iSlate cannot, because it has a keyboard for actual typing. Because of that, and in total contrast to the iSlate, if you need to do any work on the move, the convertible tablet could handle it. If you have an iSlate and need to do work on the move, you'll have to bring a laptop with too, a laptop that can do everything the iSlate can. I just cannot envision a situation in which what is basically a huge iPhone would be of more use than a netbook and an iPhone.

Therefore, situations where an iSlate would be preferable to a small convertible can be summed up as 'a short period of non-essential browsing or reading,' which is a very small niche for £400+. For £400 I'd sit at my desk or put my MacBook on my knees. If you have £400 or thereabouts to spend on a convenience item that the average office worker would have to own in addition to a laptop, good for you. But by looking at the general penetration of other tablet products into the market - nil - I fear you're in a minority. If Apple can sell these by the bucketload, it's not on the strength of the product so much as the strength of their marketing.
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Originally Posted by Ape
To not understand this will help people achieve more than they currently can on iPhone is almost the same as misunderstanding the need for netbooks ... you do 'get' netbooks right? But you don't 'get' this - right? ... ooh, it's an Apple product! Here we go again.

I love netbooks and I love my iPhone. But the iPhone is a phone - something I have to have with me - and it fits in my pocket. What can you 'achieve' on an item which other than reading your emails cannot help your work? Regarding netbooks, netbooks are £200, not £400. Netbooks have a keyboard for taking lecture notes. Netbooks are good for more than just surfing the internet and playing Football Manager; in fact, they can run a real OS. Some of them are even tablets too. For the record, I own/have owned three iPods, a MacBook, and an iPhone. Mac do make good, if overpriced, products. This isn't one of them.
The_Beast 13th January 2010, 19:14 Quote
hmm, it's cool but I don't see myself buying one soon
HourBeforeDawn 13th January 2010, 19:31 Quote
lol really??? this has to be a joke... wow apple sure is running out of design ideas lol
Ape 13th January 2010, 19:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by PureSilver
1) Regardless of what I think about the usefulness of eBooks, their USP is something that the iSlate lacks, which is the e-Ink screen. The idea of using a non-backlit screen to conserve battery life to real extremes and reduce eye tiredness is something that the iSlate cannot do.

2) Regardless of the questionable hygiene of using a touchscreen while on the crapper,

3) none of those situations are what we would call necessary. That's important, because it highlights the intended use of the iSlate; this is a convenience or lifestyle item, not intended for work. That shines through in all the design decisions - runs a mobile OS that isn't Windows Mobile,

1) Good point regarding battery life, the Apple tablet won't be able to compete with an eReader. However I would never consider spending £200+ on something that only displays book pages - and badly IMHO.

2) Yeah, that'll be me. I'm looking forward to using Mail while on the toilet seeing as I mail so much now on my Mac and iPhone. However it isn't convenient to carry my Mac into the toilet with an extension cable, and my iPhone does the job ... but lacks in so many ways. A netbook would suit me fine, but if I can get an equivalent that syncs with my Mac and iPhone and makes tasks easier than on iPhone then it could be a winner.

3) "That shines through in all the design decisions - runs a mobile OS that isn't Windows Mobile, " ... I am a little confused what you mean in the paragraph about it being mainly a lifestyle choice but mainly the line quoted here. Is your personal opinion that Mac OS is a lifestyle thing and not a serious contender to a Windows OS?! I would certainly 100% disagree with you because all I do now on my PC is play games and decode/encode videos. All of my work, browsing, mail, messaging and listening to music is now done on my Mac. It is a personal choice of course and I'm sure there are others out there who have both formats and maybe prefer doing their work on their PC. But I really do think it can contend with a Win OS easily.

In all though, you made some great points that got me thinking which is a rarity in a news thread on an Apple product. Usually the posters are limited to "omgzor i fuxin hate apple" or similar.

One thing I would say is that we really need to wait and see what the price will be, what the true specs are, the functionality of the software and how it actually works in our hands. If it looks like a fatter iPhone ... I may just give it a miss without giving it the break it deserves. ...
PureSilver 13th January 2010, 20:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ape
I'm looking forward to using Mail while on the toilet seeing as I mail so much now on my Mac and iPhone. However it isn't convenient to carry my Mac into the toilet with an extension cable, and my iPhone does the job ... but lacks in so many ways. A netbook would suit me fine, but if I can get an equivalent that syncs with my Mac and iPhone and makes tasks easier than on iPhone then it could be a winner.

Hackintosh would be my first suggestion, it's not like there's a shortage of netbooks that'll do that. The Nokia 3G one is my favourite for the unibody-esque design. That said, why does the Mac need an extension cable? Won't the battery last? Or are you on the bog for more than a couple of hours at a time lol
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Originally Posted by Ape
"That shines through in all the design decisions - runs a mobile OS that isn't Windows Mobile, " ... I am a little confused what you mean in the paragraph about it being mainly a lifestyle choice but mainly the line quoted here. Is your personal opinion that Mac OS is a lifestyle thing and not a serious contender to a Windows OS?!

No, I probably should've left the bit about Windows Mobile out because the issue is not the brand of mobile OS, but the mobility of it. I'm only slightly familiar with the Windows Mobile OS, but I know the Mac mobile one well and the general impression is that neither is a suitable basis for doing any real work. They are, by design, too limited and offer too little third-party support to be taken seriously; this is why neither of them has ever made it big on anything that could handle something better - think netbooks, for example, which will run 7, XP, X, various flavours of open-source...
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Originally Posted by Ape
I would certainly 100% disagree with you because all I do now on my PC is play games and decode/encode videos. All of my work, browsing, mail, messaging and listening to music is now done on my Mac. It is a personal choice of course and I'm sure there are others out there who have both formats and maybe prefer doing their work on their PC. But I really do think it can contend with a Win OS easily.

...Only 10% of computer owners use a Mac, but 85% of those also own a Windows PC. Fact. The problem is that few Windows programs are readily available on Mac, so even the most ardent Mac fan must run Windows if he wants to be able to do everything. That lack of compatible programs will cripple the average office worker, for whom ease of communication and compatibility is everything. For example, if your employer is enlightened enough to offer multi-OS support on your office software, you are in a lucky but absolutely tiny minority. Also, you are in the equally tiny minority of being knowledgeable about computers; I'd bet that half of Britain's computer users would be completely stumped by OS X, let alone by the mobile version of it that isn't compatible with any of the programs commonly used in an office - like Office (even the Mac version). OS X is brilliant, don't get me wrong, but the mobile version is much less featured and even less compatible with general programming.
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Originally Posted by Ape
One thing I would say is that we really need to wait and see what the price will be, what the true specs are, the functionality of the software and how it actually works in our hands.

This is true. If it's £50, I'm all over it. But much more than £150... When would I use such a machine? And what for?
MonkeyTurnip 13th January 2010, 20:11 Quote
if apple doesnt put their full OS on it, and dont put a few USB ports/capability to connect keyboard and mouse, it will only be used to spot true apple fanboys. as noted by PureSilver there are devices that can add better functionality with integrated keyboard and mouse and the fact they come with full OS, so the software i have on my desktop and full laptop will work on my netbook albeit on a smaller screen and or slower, but for quick things it works. as if apple have a cut down OS will they provide for free apps for that device, or will they have to be bought?
eddtox 13th January 2010, 22:45 Quote
It cracks me up to see how much attention people are lavishing onto this mythical device which sounds like it will be rubbish anyway and all the while MS is putting out demos of their Courier which is everything this should be and more. Apple Pr departments deserve a huge bonus.
wuyanxu 13th January 2010, 23:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Monkey200SX
if apple doesnt put their full OS on it, and dont put a few USB ports/capability to connect keyboard and mouse, it will only be used to spot true apple fanboys. as noted by PureSilver there are devices that can add better functionality with integrated keyboard and mouse and the fact they come with full OS, so the software i have on my desktop and full laptop will work on my netbook albeit on a smaller screen and or slower, but for quick things it works. as if apple have a cut down OS will they provide for free apps for that device, or will they have to be bought?

agree, a full OSX is the only way to push this tablet.

but, knowing Apple, and their "user experience is first" and obsession to control everything. im thinking it will be an enlarged iphone. therefore, it'd be a flop. who needs an enlarged iphone?
LJF 14th January 2010, 00:07 Quote
Regardless of what eddtox says above, this is some good debate guys. I've got to say i'm in support of PureSilver - pretty much said everything I was going to say but in a far more thorough and eloquent manner.

Johnny and Ape, if the neccessity to read a digital magazine or send a couple of emails in a slightly more comfortable format is all you need to justify the purchase then fair enough.
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Originally Posted by PureSilver
If it's £50, I'm all over it. But much more than £150... When would I use such a machine? And what for?

Obviously I'm not taking the figures you said literally but it made me think. How much do we reckon these will cost?

I was looking Play earlier and it cost £459.99 for an 8GB 3G (not even a 3GS!!) sim-free.
Factor in the 10.5" OLED screen - isn't a 15" OLED tv around £2000?
The large amount of solid state memory - 32GB or even 64GB probably wouldnt cut it.
You'd need a far superior processor.
And a seriously bleeding-edge battery to keep the whole thing running for decent amount of time.
Basically everything the phone has but specced up hugely.

My guess at a price is £900 as a conservatively low estimate.
Either that or you'll get tied in to an extortionate 3G broadband package with an inhibiting download limit.

So what's your best offer?
PureSilver 14th January 2010, 03:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by LJF
Obviously I'm not taking the figures you said literally but it made me think. How much do we reckon these will cost?

That's the $64,000 question. The biggest problem is that unless this thing is sold in conjunction with a mobile phone network operator, they won't be able to mask the cost in monthly instalments like they do with iPhones. 3G isn't cheap here and I reckon you're looking at a £25/month minimum for such a device so obviously dependent upon mobile internet. If it is sold with a SIM card, that gives you a second phone bill to pay and something far too large to act as a phone. What's also problematic is selling it without the 3G connectivity already enabled (i.e., selling it without a SIM) goes against the Apple ethos of having everything sorted and packaged ready for you to turn it on - asking their consumers to go from ritzy Apple stores to rundown Carphone Warehouses to barter over 3G allowances is a bit of a non-starter. Worse, knowing that since this will almost never be used as a phone, and has a big screen, you can bet the networks will clamp down on your data usage to prevent you strangling the local network by downloading photos at their actual resolution or something. The connectivity is going to be the hardest part of the problem for Apple's sales people.

My pricing guess will be that Apple started with a price in mind when they started designing it. There is, after all, no point in making a product they simply cannot sell even at unit cost. I reckon if this is over £800 they won't sell one of them. Like I said, Apple make expensive products (and refuse to sell cheap ones to avoid brand problems) but they are all within certain boundaries - none of them is the most expensive product in their sector, none of them are beyond comprehension, and £800 is a MacBook over here, which is a fully featured laptop with a 13" screen. If it's £600 they won't sell many - nothing like the torrents of MacBooks and iPhones they sell. £500 is my absolute maximum - I just cannot imagine who they think would pay more than £500 for a toy-like 10" screen, basic hardware, and heavily curtailed functionality instead of a mediocre Dell laptop. I'm betting somewhere between £350 and £500, though I'm prepared to be unpleasantly surprised.
Ape 14th January 2010, 08:28 Quote
In all honesty I haven't even considered what price is too high for me. It would depend on several factors including functionality and software integration. £900 and £800 are out of my comfort level. £700 is a possible, but for that I would want to be able to (amongst a lot of other things) hook it up to a 1080P TV - and I don't think that is likely. £600, now we're starting to touch the comfort level, but for that I still want to visit an Apple store and shoulder barge the frothing fans out of the way and get a good feel for it. £500 and we're hitting a point where it would become very handy as a replacement for my iPhone in bed, and on the sofa with my other half, a remote control for the TV and my 2 HD Skybox's (which my iPhone already does with Tioti TV app, it would be fantastic with the larger screen for TV listings). Not forgetting iWork integration and Mail. It is rumoured to come with iWork installed ... but we can chalk that up to 'just another rumour'. It's rumoured to include a DVD drive ... but how much room does that leave you inside a 10" device for cooling, CPU, RAM and display controller? As for the phone function ... I can't imagine for 1 second that it comes with a built-in ability to call out, however I would expect it to hook up to the iPhone and tether the iPhones ability. Maybe even enabling video conference over WiFi ... again, just rumours. - forget that last bit, for a second I forgot just how slow the iPhone is even on WiFi.

Realistically I think we can agree it won't be < £500.

One thing to bear in mind is that Apple will add the usual Apple-Tax, but they still need to compete with the forthcoming Google pad and Microsoft pads. It will be interesting on the 27th (?) when they officially announce it. Even then I don't think we'll get the prices until a couple of months later, and by then the competition will have hotted up.

The only sure bet is that 33% of us will be correct, it'll either be bad, average or good.
HandMadeAndroid 14th January 2010, 08:40 Quote
how much is this drip marketing worth, it's not even subtle lol
eddtox 14th January 2010, 11:23 Quote
The fact of the matter is that decent tablet pc's (especially slates) are still very expensive. Just haven lake at-the TabletKiosk Sahara or even its little brother, the NetSlate , which is an atom-powered netbook-like device and still starts at $1300ish. That's without an OLED screen and the apple-tax. The Sahara, on the other hand, is much more in the realms of current laptop specs, but starts at $1800 with a Celeron M ULV processor an 1GB of ram and will set you back a whopping $2400 for a Core 2 Duo version with 3 GB of ram. Once again, no OLED screen and no apple-tax. Draw what conclusions you will, but I can't see apple releasing a comparable device for the same price as a sim-free 3GS.
LJF 14th January 2010, 11:43 Quote
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Draw what conclusions you will, but I can't see apple releasing a comparable device for the same price as a sim-free 3GS.

Exactly!
PureSilver 14th January 2010, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
The fact of the matter is that decent tablet pc's (especially slates) are still very expensive. Just haven lake at-the TabletKiosk Sahara or even its little brother, the NetSlate , which is an atom-powered netbook-like device and still starts at $1300ish. That's without an OLED screen and the apple-tax.

I'm not sure the Apple is going to be anything like as highly specified as that; for a start, the screen is absolutely tiny, Macs have never been sold on their performance (at least not honestly sold on their performance) and I think this is closer to iPhone than MacBook in terms of components. I wouldn't be surprised if this packs some miserable ARM processor and has no number-crunching power at all - what would the user use it for? It's like asking for overclocks on an eBook. And as we all know, crap components are cheap.
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Draw what conclusions you will, but I can't see apple releasing a comparable device for the same price as a sim-free 3GS.

This is true. Why can't Microsoft get Courier out already, dammit >:(
Ape 14th January 2010, 16:47 Quote
What are the specs of the Courier?
PureSilver 14th January 2010, 17:41 Quote
2x7" touchscreens with multitouch and stylus read is as firm as they ever got, no confirmation of production at any stage and no appearance at CES. That doesn't bode well for it.
eddtox 14th January 2010, 17:58 Quote
They've also released an awesome demo. Sadly, it's not a working demo of the device but more of a concept. The fact that they haven't released the specs does make me think it's still quite a way off though. Still, it looks like a much more revolutionary device than an overgrown ipod touch, imho.
leslie 15th January 2010, 20:24 Quote
I'm calling hoax, but if that is it, I see another Newton in the making.

Anyone remember those...
Sorry, I don't get tablets for anything where you may have to put in a decent amount of information. This includes surfing.
AshT 15th January 2010, 22:06 Quote
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2x7" touchscreens with multitouch and stylus read is as firm as they ever got, no confirmation of production at any stage and no appearance at CES. That doesn't bode well for it.

I am not into the electronics events - so does anyone know what comes after CES and is the courier likely to get a showing at the next event? Is MS hiding the courier from CES a bad thing, or will they wait until the tablet is closer to release to steal some thunder from Apple?

One thing I got from the courier movie I watched was that it might be a glorified journal of sorts? I didn't really get anything from the movie apart from being able to move pictures around, write notes ... I may have missed the point?
woodss 19th January 2010, 10:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by leslie
I'm calling hoax, but if that is it, I see another Newton in the making.

Anyone remember those...
Sorry, I don't get tablets for anything where you may have to put in a decent amount of information. This includes surfing.

Down with the tablet's!

You either need a laptop, pc or phone, browsing the internet while your riding a jet ski is not productive
eddtox 19th January 2010, 15:58 Quote
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Down with the tablet's!

You either need a laptop, pc or phone, browsing the internet while your riding a jet ski is not productive

I dunno, I would be lost without my tablet. While it doesn't have the power of the PC or even a laptop, it is much lighter and more portable than either, still runs a full OS (XP tablet, which is a superset of XP pro) and has a (12.1") screen which I can actually use for more than half an hour at a time.

So now, I'm not stuck behind a desk for hours while I get my fix of news and research things, I can study my OU course and take (digital) notes easily (using the awesome OneNote 2010) and I can insert screen clippings, audio, video and files into my notes, all while listening to my favourite music.

I can also take some time out and watch a movie or iPlayer/4OD content on demand or do some shopping.

Heck, if I put it down and connect a keyboard & mouse/ controller I can even play some of my favourite old games (MechCommander Gold/2, Dungeon Siege, AOEs, Ignition, KKND etc).

In short, I can do most of the things I do on a computer from the comfort of my sofa/armchair, thus hugely reducing the time I spend in front of my desk. Sure, the Tablet Input Panel in XP is not perfect, but they've done wonders with it in Windows 7 and, to a lesser extent, Vista.

P.S: I can also use my BB Bold as a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse if I'm really strapped.
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