Apple goes Pro with 13in MacBook, updates 15in MBP

Apple updated its MacBook line with several new versions and slashed prices on many existing models at its Worldwide Developer Conference keynote last night.

Apple updated its MacBook line with several new versions and slashed prices on many existing models at its Worldwide Developer Conference keynote last night.

The new models included new 13in and 15in MacBook Pros, which feature the same lithium polymer battery technology introduced with the 17in MacBook Pro earlier this year, which boasts up to seven hours of battery life.

Moreover, Apple says that the new batteries can be recharged 1,000 times before degradation – more than three times as many as a typical laptop battery, claimed the company.

The 13in model starts at £899, while the new 15in version will set you back £1,299 for its base spec. Both products include an improved LED-backlit display with 60 per cent higher colour gamut, an SD card, up to 8GB of memory, FireWire 800 and 500GB of storage (or a 256GB SSD).

The base spec 13in model comes with a 2.26GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB of memory, GeForce 9400M graphics and a 160GB hard drive. The additional two inches afforded by the new 15in MacBook Pro allows Apple to increase the base spec to a 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB of DDR3 memory, a GeForce 9400M IGP and a 250GB hard drive.

The 17in MacBook Pro and MacBook Air have had price cuts and are now listed at £1,849 and £1,149 for their base spec models. The 17in MacBook Pro’s specs have been improved as well, as the CPU frequency has been increased to 2.8GHz and storage capacity has been bumped to 500GB.

Apple goes Pro with 13in MacBook, updates 15in MBP Apple updates MacBook line

The MacBook Air still features a 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo, a 120GB hard drive and a GeForce 9400M graphics chip at this new price. The flagship model includes a 2.13GHz Core 2 Duo, a 128GB SSD and GeForce 9400M graphics – both models feature 2GB of memory.

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Quote liratheal 9th June 2009, 15:18
GZ, Apple, you tacked 'pro' onto the old 'home' line and upped the price :#1:
Quote perplekks45 9th June 2009, 15:33
Still way overpriced. But we're used to that, aren't we?
Quote Jamie 9th June 2009, 15:39
So in essence the just renamed the new "Macbook" to "Macbook Pro 13in"
Quote lewchenko 9th June 2009, 15:48
The base model macbook (now pro) is actually a decent bargain... better screen now if you read other sites / FW800 / SD slot / and the new kb lighting / battery tech for £899.

That seems like a good deal compared to the previous macbook 13" aluminium model to be honest. I dont remember the alu models of the macbook being that cheap.

If you want to look at price disparity to the US.. then yeah sure.. we get stiffed as usual.. but not as much as on the iMac line. Ouch! At nearly 1.60 to the pound, those new iMacs are seriously overpriced.
Quote Denis_iii 9th June 2009, 16:56
13 inch macbook looks to be a bargain, i'm sorely tempted....snow loepard looks really good aswell, bout time i gave osx a go
Quote p3n 9th June 2009, 18:53
Amusing how people try to find the negatives with Apple's hardware offerings - they are pricey (this one less so), until you have tried the software don't knock it; windows pales in comparison.
Quote TGImages 9th June 2009, 19:14
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Originally Posted by Denis_iii
13 inch macbook looks to be a bargain, i'm sorely tempted....snow loepard looks really good aswell, bout time i gave osx a go

Or dual boot it as I do. I got a 15" Pro a few years ago, replaced the 120HD with a 320 HD and with Boot Camp (free) I can hardware boot to either OSX or XP (or Vista) just fine. Or with some of the virtual machine apps you can launch one environment from within the other however I prefer the hardware level access as I'm almost always just in one OS. However if you do run Windows on these regularly you'll want to get a mouse as right clicking with only one track pad button is a bit of a kludge IMO.
Quote frojoe 9th June 2009, 19:23
the base model white 13in macbook is not considered pro, it is still just a macbook. The aluminum 13in model is the 13in macbook pro.
Quote Fod 9th June 2009, 19:30
no more expensive than sony's laptops. and these are actually built well.
Quote ZERO <ibis> 9th June 2009, 19:39
For that price I could get a decent gaming laptop! Sure it might not get 7hours of battery life but if I just need a laptop for things other than games why would I not simply buy a nettop to start with...
Quote HourBeforeDawn 9th June 2009, 20:00
God how I hate Apple, talk about one of the worst companies on this planet, and to think people give M$ a lot of crap.... Apply is like the Hitler of the computer industry everything and anything has to be their way and so on and to think for some reason they dont get attacked as a Monopoly ~_~ I guess when less then 6% of the world uses their products I suppose its not worth the time to go after them...
Quote Fod 9th June 2009, 20:03
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Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
God how I hate Apple, talk about one of the worst companies on this planet, and to think people give M$ a lot of crap.... Apply is like the Hitler of the computer industry everything and anything has to be their way and so on and to think for some reason they dont get attacked as a Monopoly ~_~ I guess when less then 6% of the world uses their products I suppose its not worth the time to go after them...

i hereby invoke godwin's law. YOU LOSE AT THE INTERNET.
Quote shomann 9th June 2009, 20:17
As a self-proclaimed Apple fan (though not drooling), I have to say that Apple does have a higher price of entry. Much of the higher dollar sign comes from the fact that Apple offers very little in the way of customization - you get what they want you to get. Sure, there are much cheaper 13"and 15"notebooks out there, but very few are going to have all the features of a Macbook Pro (hate that they took the ExpressCard away from the 15" though - bad move). Of course the argument is that you don't need a backlit keyboard, unibody construction, Firewire 800, or a faster processor. Too bad, they come as part of the package and add up to the overall cost. However you may find yourself agreeing with their inclusion several months into ownership ;) .

See where I am going? You get what you pay for. I have used Apple products for the past 14 years and have very rarely seen them fail of their own accord (the 5300 series notebooks WERE pieces of crap through, I will give you that). There is also a sense of style and design at work, of course. In the end, I think that paying the "Apple Tax" is like buying a Subaru instead of a Ford. You pay more up front, but have good experiences with the thing for a much longer period of time.


EDIT: I decided to configure a system from Lenovo as closely as possible to that of the 15" Macbook Pro specs. A T500 which has the same processor, hard drive, RAM but with the ATI Radeon 3650/256MB and Vista Ultimate is $1452. So $250 more for backlit keyboard, possible better screen and the unibody.
Quote Ape 9th June 2009, 21:08
Apple haters make me laugh.
Quote wuyanxu 9th June 2009, 21:23
it's as always, too expensive.

i was hoping they'd release a 12inch Macbook "nano" with ultra-long battery life and unibody case. the only reasons one would consider Apple laptops over others is the strong unibody. (you can install OSX on other machines easily)
Quote shomann 9th June 2009, 21:31
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
it's as always, too expensive.

i was hoping they'd release a 12inch Macbook "nano" with ultra-long battery life and unibody case. the only reasons one would consider Apple laptops over others is the strong unibody. (you can install OSX on other machines easily)

Um, not easily, but yes it can be done. I have a vanilla Lenovo based off of the X3100 chipset and it was something of a pain to get everything working correctly.
Quote chicorasia 9th June 2009, 21:46
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Originally Posted by liratheal
GZ, Apple, you tacked 'pro' onto the old 'home' line and upped the price :#1:

Actually, the newer 13" macbook pro is cheaper than the unibody macbook 13" it replaces.
Quote perplekks45 9th June 2009, 22:04
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Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
God how I hate Apple, talk about one of the worst companies on this planet, and to think people give M$ a lot of crap.... Apply is like the Hitler of the computer industry everything and anything has to be their way and so on and to think for some reason they dont get attacked as a Monopoly ~_~ I guess when less then 6% of the world uses their products I suppose its not worth the time to go after them...
After nVidia it is Apple now? :p
Quote HourBeforeDawn 10th June 2009, 00:24
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Originally Posted by perplekks45
Quote:
Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
God how I hate Apple, talk about one of the worst companies on this planet, and to think people give M$ a lot of crap.... Apply is like the Hitler of the computer industry everything and anything has to be their way and so on and to think for some reason they dont get attacked as a Monopoly ~_~ I guess when less then 6% of the world uses their products I suppose its not worth the time to go after them...
After nVidia it is Apple now? :p

nah Apple has always been a ugh for me, they could be soooo much farther a long and take a much larger chunk of the OS market if they were just a bit less controlling, if they opened up the OS so that people could install it on custom built systems Im sure almost over nigh they would probably jump to like 30% or more of the market. It just erks me, one of the few companies I have met that makes you pay to make thier product better ~_~

nVidia is a bit more recent, about oh the last couple of years I have the erk for them but apple has been for many many years. =p
Quote Horizon 10th June 2009, 03:48
The difference between apple and nvidia, is that I used to like nvidia.
Quote daveloft 10th June 2009, 04:11
So if the battery is integrated and the bottom is non removable does that mean that memory and hard drive upgrades need to be done by Apple.
Quote daveloft 10th June 2009, 04:13
Also about the price being cheaper, its not always the case. The 13" Macbook Pro starts at $1399 Canadian the same price as the Macbook its replacing.
Quote daveloft 10th June 2009, 04:23
I don't consider laptop to be pro just because it has an aluminum body. It needs an expansion card slot and a dedicated graphics card for that.

If I want a Macbook with a dedicated graphics card I need to buy the mid range 15" model. So its now more expensive to get a Macbook with dedicated graphics.

If I want a half decent amount of video memory by todays standards (512MB) I need to spend $2599 Canadian to get the top of the line 15".

It amazes me how people find this lineup impressive. The increase in processing power, memory and storage is just taking advantage of continual improvements in yield and decrease in production cost by the manufacturers of those parts. Its simply just keeping up with the times.

Apple has the look, feel and build quality down, but they really could be providing so much more with their specs as always.
Quote daveloft 10th June 2009, 04:33
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Originally Posted by p3n
Amusing how people try to find the negatives with Apple's hardware offerings - they are pricey (this one less so), until you have tried the software don't knock it; windows pales in comparison.

Im not looking, their smacking me right in the face. It amuses me that people ignore the obvious flaws in the latest models they covet. That is until a new comes out and they rush out to buy the latest.

I love how adding back Firewire was something to talk about, it should have never left in the first place. I would really like an HDMI eSATA port. You know how great it is to connect a PC to a TV with 1 cable. With the mac I need a mini DVI to DVI cable (Display Port on new ones), a DVI to HDMI cable and a seperate audio cable. Also some TV's have issue with taking audio from a source other than HDMI while using HDMI for video.

Really Im not looking, its just lacking a few key things for me.
Quote daveloft 10th June 2009, 04:36
I've started using eSATA with my external hard drives and I just can't go back
Quote Fod 10th June 2009, 07:29
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Originally Posted by daveloft
I would really like an HDMI eSATA port. You know how great it is to connect a PC to a TV with 1 cable. With the mac I need a mini DVI to DVI cable (Display Port on new ones), a DVI to HDMI cable and a seperate audio cable. Also some TV's have issue with taking audio from a source other than HDMI while using HDMI for video.

this bit isn't true. displayport carries audio so you can use a displayport to hdmi cable.

you seem to be spreading FUD. the bottom of the MBP is fully removable. in fact it's easier to open than any laptop i know, it's just 8 screws and the entire bottom panel comes off.
Quote perplekks45 10th June 2009, 14:49
Apple says you ALWAYS have to get repairs done by an Apple approved technician, don't they? I remember reading that otherwise you'll lose any chance of RMA'ing it within warranty.
Quote Fod 10th June 2009, 15:03
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Originally Posted by perplekks45
Apple says you ALWAYS have to get repairs done by an Apple approved technician, don't they? I remember reading that otherwise you'll lose any chance of RMA'ing it within warranty.

er, no? you can do what you want inside. break it and they won't fix it, though. but they don't have a 'zomg you touched the inside' clause. i should know - i took mine for repair and they didn't even mention the fact i'd epoxied part of my case together on the inside because i'd accidentally popped a spot weld whilst taking it apart

god, where does all this FUD come from :( - the support apple offers is actually some of the best of any company i've ever dealt with!
Quote perplekks45 10th June 2009, 15:27
That's why I asked. :p
Quote daveloft 11th June 2009, 00:11
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Originally Posted by Fod
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Originally Posted by daveloft
I would really like an HDMI eSATA port. You know how great it is to connect a PC to a TV with 1 cable. With the mac I need a mini DVI to DVI cable (Display Port on new ones), a DVI to HDMI cable and a seperate audio cable. Also some TV's have issue with taking audio from a source other than HDMI while using HDMI for video.

this bit isn't true. displayport carries audio so you can use a displayport to hdmi cable.

you seem to be spreading FUD. the bottom of the MBP is fully removable. in fact it's easier to open than any laptop i know, it's just 8 screws and the entire bottom panel comes off.

I've used the model with DVI and that is the case with that model. I don't know about the display port models, but if thats true thats good. But it still isn't as nice as having HDMI.

Also I was asking about upgrading the hard drive and RAM on the new ones. I know with the models I have seen memory and hard is easy access as is most laptops. But Im not sure about the models with integrated battery. I heard the bottom plate was not removable, I was ASKING not SAYING if its upgradable. No need to be a dick, Im just asking questions and sharing my experience. So does anyone know fore sure about the new models on upgradability?
Quote HourBeforeDawn 11th June 2009, 01:40
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Originally Posted by Fod
er, no? you can do what you want inside. break it and they won't fix it, though. but they don't have a 'zomg you touched the inside' clause. i should know - i took mine for repair and they didn't even mention the fact i'd epoxied part of my case together on the inside because i'd accidentally popped a spot weld whilst taking it apart

god, where does all this FUD come from :( - the support apple offers is actually some of the best of any company i've ever dealt with!

errr no, hes right, you cant take it to any repair shop, it has to go to a Apple Certified location for any repair or upgrade. I should know I work at a repair place, they turned down apple certification because Apple wanted to much money to be allowed to fix their machines for them lol.
Quote Elton 11th June 2009, 01:41
The one thing that will forever piss me off about Apple is their indecision on Display output ports...For the love of god PICK ONE!

Other than that, I do like the software(even at a basic level, the Video editor in OSX is 100x better than WME), and it does have a good battery life.

And then there's the price tag..
Quote Digitalize- 11th June 2009, 01:55
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Originally Posted by perplekks45
Apple says you ALWAYS have to get repairs done by an Apple approved technician, don't they? I remember reading that otherwise you'll lose any chance of RMA'ing it within warranty.

If you or the uncertified technician break something, they wont fix it, but if you say, Swap the HDD of an older MacBook Pro (Sucks typing that on my just under year old 'Classic' MBP) and then the Logic Board dies, they will still exchange the Logic Board, unless they can link it to something you've done.

Apple have the best Aftercare possible (iPhone 3G and MBP Battery swapped in 20 Mins, In Store)
Quote perplekks45 11th June 2009, 02:03
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Originally Posted by HourBeforeDawn
errr no, hes right, you cant take it to any repair shop, it has to go to a Apple Certified location for any repair or upgrade. I should know I work at a repair place, they turned down apple certification because Apple wanted to much money to be allowed to fix their machines for them lol.
Thank you, I knew I was right. :D
Quote Fod 11th June 2009, 07:15
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Originally Posted by perplekks45
Thank you, I knew I was right. :D

Honestly, you're really not. FFS ring apple and ask them - they had NO issue with me opening my unit up to replace a HDD. Good god, there are even instructions on apple's support site for disassembling the vast majority of their models for the sake of replacing user-replaceable parts! I don't know how much more clearly i can spell this out other than to write a ****ing song.

Anyway, you know what? I can't be bothered with this. You use PCs? Awesome, i have three of those, they're bloody great. you use macs? awesome, i have one of those too, it's great. you like linux? sweet, i use it daily, it's great.

Now please, stop arbitrarily bashing things that you quite obviously have no idea about - it does nobody any good.
Quote perplekks45 11th June 2009, 16:16
Calm down, Fod. Seriously.

Nobody insulted you or Apple or Linux or Windows or Android or any religious group. :|
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