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MSI solves Nvidia GTX 200 squealing problem

MSI solves Nvidia GTX 200 squealing problem

MSI's new chokes and power design to stop the Nvidia GTX 260 and 275 from squealing.

COMPUTEX 2009: Personally I just want to say, hurrah for MSI because it's a shame Nvidia didn't learn how to stop its GTX 200-series from making the coils inside a PSU squeal like a baby powered from a 230V source sooner.

After reporting the problem to Nvidia, we were greeted with denial - it was unable to replicate the problem - until we sent readouts from an oscilloscope, displaying the interference shooting back up the PCIe power connectors into the PSU.

MSI has solved the issue by researching and sourcing different chokes as part of its customised PCB power design for its Lightening series of graphics cards.

With a ten power phase design (up from six) on this GTX 275, the yellow chokes are not environmentally sealed copper coiled over ferrite cores - the whole thing is ferrite with the coil firmly sealed inside. For the size, this also increases the power density, affording better performance claimed MSI.

The disadvantage is that, if you already own a GTX 200-series graphics card and want to get rid of the annoying squealing, you'll have to buy a new card. If you haven't already bought a GTX 200-series card then you might want to hold off, but it's worth noting that the MSI Lightening GTX 260/275 series won't be that price competitive since it has a large bundle of unique features.

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gavomatic57 29th May 2009, 09:32 Quote
The squealing is annoying, but not so bad that I feel compelled to buy a new card! It's nice to know the squealing is normal though!
Krikkit 29th May 2009, 10:40 Quote
Couldn't some enterprising person just put an AC-filter onto an 8-pin PCI-e connector? Or is it actual load fluctuation rather than just interference?
a1h 29th May 2009, 10:45 Quote
The Squealing i get comes and goes, BUT WHEN IT COMES ITS LOUD! first time i heard it i thought it was the fire alarm.
robyholmes 29th May 2009, 10:46 Quote
I would have thought different PSU's would alter it too? Do they?
Cupboard 29th May 2009, 11:50 Quote
my computer squeals, but I don't have a GTX200 series graphics card. If I do a bit of backwards thinking, (GTX200 -> GTX250 -> 9800GTX -> 8800GTS 512) then could my squealing be that?

Silly Nvidia for letting this go though. Is there any chance of it killing anything?
Mach1.9pants 29th May 2009, 11:57 Quote
My GTX280s don't squeal often, just before each section of 3dMark06 starts for 1 or 2 secs, not loud. I haven't noted in any game just 3dMark... weird.
mjm25 29th May 2009, 12:26 Quote
my 4870x2 does it too.... mainly in game menus (Stalker i'm looking at you)
Paradigm Shifter 29th May 2009, 13:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by mjm25
my 4870x2 does it too.... mainly in game menus (Stalker i'm looking at you)
I've not heard any squealing from my 4870X2... can't say I'm sorry about that, given how insane the squeal my 8800GT had when loaded drove me.
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Originally Posted by Article
After reporting the problem to Nvidia, we were greeted with denial - it was unable to replicate the problem - until we sent readouts from an oscilloscope, displaying the interference shooting back up the PCIe power connectors into the PSU.
Denial seems to be fairly common. Chances are they didn't even try it until you sent them solid data. :(

Still, if MSI have a card that is guaranteed not to squeal... that is a good thing.
Floyd 29th May 2009, 13:24 Quote
My 8800GT's squeel very bad once I put a large load on them. Even more so when they are at a 800meg core lol.
Rocket_Knight64 29th May 2009, 13:31 Quote
MSI seem to be on a roll recently. Good for them. :)

Would be very interested in the 275 if features match the price (like better cooling) and its not out too late.
lewchenko 29th May 2009, 13:54 Quote
Never heard any squeeling on my xfx 260 black edition card. Its fans are a bit loud though when they rev up, but nope.. no squeels !
kosch 29th May 2009, 14:32 Quote
My 8800GTX squeals like a pig when I play certain games drives the dog nuts!
K.I.T.T. 29th May 2009, 15:32 Quote
i've almost come to think of it as normal, my X800 Pro VIVO not so much squealed but growled and hummed when it was loaded whether it was OC'd or not and had an ATI Silencer fitted.

Now my 4870 does it as well but again only when loaded, i've just ignored is as something that comes with the territory but having said that the X800 has just bitten the dust with power regulation failure (it still initialises but says it needs additional power to be connected no matter what you do).
thehippoz 29th May 2009, 20:15 Quote
remember you talking about this awhile back tim.. you had it on twitter

the two power supplies I've put on and all cards since the g80 8800gtx haven't had this problem.. but heard plenty that have and there's even video of the noise
Breathless 29th May 2009, 22:12 Quote
Hey Guys,

I've made a few reviews of this issue on youtube. Just search for Power supply squeal and you will likely find my reviews. The squealing is directly related to framerate. The reason some of your games do this and others don't is because some of your games have vsync enabled, and some don't. Enable Vsync on all of your games and the noise will dissapear. You hear it on 3dmark because we never enable vsync on 3dmark. If you really want to drive your nuts, make sure vsync is off and use ATI Tool artifact scanner, or the main menu in stalker.
Breathless 29th May 2009, 22:13 Quote
EDIT:

"Drive your nuts" should be Drive yourself nuts. LOL
ZERO <ibis> 29th May 2009, 23:59 Quote
I have a BFG 280 and never heard that noise even when OCing at 771 on the core and running furmark for extended periods. Maybe I do not have the problem because I am using a 1200w PC Power and Cooling psu or because I am water cooling...
GoodBytes 30th May 2009, 00:03 Quote
I did not have (video card being RMA'd), this problem on my BFG GTX 260 manufacture OC (not the 260 - 216 model). Well it does but only when you turn on the computer it does 2 short "bzzzzzt" noticeable only a quiet room.
K.I.T.T. 30th May 2009, 00:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Breathless
Hey Guys,
If you really want to drive your nuts, make sure vsync is off and use ATI Tool artifact scanner, or the main menu in stalker.

Thats what used to make my X800 go crazy, when it was churning out about 130-140fps OC'd but even though it doesn't work i tried it out on my 4870 and it was the same thing.

Then again, after only a few months the heat has the sticker on the cooling solution peeling back and the fan bearing makes a nasty noise for a few seconds when it powered on from cold! (its a Sapphire 4870 512MB)
leexgx 30th May 2009, 03:04 Quote
do GPU folding@home on one you get nice noise come fromt he GPUs
knuck 30th May 2009, 18:03 Quote
weird. I have never heard such a noise coming from my PC. Maybe the other components are too loud. Is the sound really distinct and annoying or is it because you all have watercooled PCs ? :D
eternum 30th May 2009, 20:31 Quote
The only place I've ever had it happen was the stalker menu. It's not that loud on my computer but it's definitely not a pleasant noise. I had read ages ago when this first seemed to be getting a lot of talk about it being an issue with psu's with active pfc or something and was worried my new build would squeal (had already bought the parts at the time) - I was very relieved when it didn't. I feel sorry for anybody that has this problem a lot, since even though it's quiet for me, the sound just grates and I have to get out of the menu as fast as I can before it drives me nuts.
stuartpb 30th May 2009, 21:05 Quote
I have an Inno3D GTX280 on air at the moment, and have never heard the squeal. I turn V-sync off in all my games. I have had it running off a Thermaltake Toughpower 750w and currently a Cooler Master Silent Pro M 700w. I wonder if some cards are more susceptible than others?
dylAndroid 31st May 2009, 07:52 Quote
I would appreciate more info on this:

* How likely is this problem to occur in a given build?
* Which parts or part combinations are more likely to have this problem? And how likely would such a potentially problematic combination be to actually having quality issues that cause the noise?
* Which parts or combinations can be safely relied upon? (i.e. is there a power supply with some kind of extra filtering, avoiding the problem, a whole brand of unaffected graphics cards, etc?)
* Is there some kind of filter that could be installed into a troubled system, to better condition the signal and avoid the problem? If so, would this create other issues for the system? (e.x. would messing with the power going to the graphics card create instabilities, etc.)

Getting solid answers on the above would make for an excellent article!

Thanks!
ssj12 31st May 2009, 19:00 Quote
so its common.. ok then.. nothing to worry about then. I have a 9600GT that does it sometimes..
bredmaker 31st May 2009, 20:00 Quote
i have this problem also. i have a new build just put together a few days ago and im trying to figure out what the hells going on.
every time i start a 3d app i get some really bad squeeling coming from the psu. the game runs for about 2 minutes then crashes. after this the squeeling stops obviously. I dont know if its the card of the psu. i cant run any 3d app :(

XFX GTX 260 black edition
powercool 750w psu
4gb ddr2
amd phenom 9550
GoodBytes 31st May 2009, 23:36 Quote
If it's the PSU, than that is aging capacitor, that means prepare yourself to RMA it or buy a new one. If it's the video card... then well I guess you can RMA and hope the new won't have the problem.

You can hear form which component it comes from by sticking your ear on each device.
It can also be the motherboard.
Burner27 28th July 2009, 17:58 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoodBytes
If it's the PSU, than that is aging capacitor, that means prepare yourself to RMA it or buy a new one. If it's the video card... then well I guess you can RMA and hope the new won't have the problem.

You can hear form which component it comes from by sticking your ear on each device.
It can also be the motherboard.

I disagree with your statement about the PSU. I recently purchased a Corsair HX850 and it makes a buzzing noise. I thought it was defective. I received my replacement which was also brand new and it too makes the noise still.

It has to be the video card. Some sort of feedback on the powerlines.
GodsouL 25th October 2009, 04:15 Quote
PPL! SOLUTION FOUND!

The problem is that the GPU is giving a LOT of FPS so, just limit them...

HOW?!?!?!

Vertical sync.

Go to nvidia's control panel and force on vertical sync and also turn on Tripple buffering and you are done.

O btw... my Graphic card is a BFG Geforce 260 gtx and tested this on a 500 watts and 650 watts PSU.

Good luck to you all!
leexgx 25th October 2009, 18:52 Quote
bit of an bump

problem is vsync makes in game input lag in a lot of games id prefer to have on screen tearing and the noise
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