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Steve Jobs’ Macworld 2008 Keynote

Steve Jobs’ Macworld 2008 Keynote

Stay tuned for the latest announcements from Steve Jobs' Macworld 2008 Keynote Address - the event starts at 5PM GMT.

We’re down at BBC Television Studios in London to cover Steve Jobs’ Macworld 2008 Keynote Address via a live satellite broadcast.

The event starts at 9:00AM PST (5:00PM GMT) and we’ll be live-blogging the major announcements as they happen – check back for regular updates once the keynote is underway.

In the meantime, feel free to speculate in the forums.

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16:39 GMT: OK, we're sat down waiting for the thing to start... the last few people are still making their way to their seats.

16:46 GMT: The lights have dimmed and the music stopped. Pascal Cagini, General Manager and Vice President of Apple Europe, is on stage introducing the keynote.

16:48 GMT: He's wrapping up what Apple has announced in the last four months. iPod touch, Leopard, etc

16:49 GMT: Two million copies of Leopard shipped in the first two days. Also talking about the iPhone launch across Europe in November.

16:53 GMT: Pascal is now talking about Apple's retail strategy through EMEA. Filling time... seven minutes to go.

16:54 GMT: Apple plans to expand to 516 stores across EMEA during 2008.

16:58 GMT: Theme for the keynote is "There's something in the air" - that'll be something related to what is going to be announced. Screen has now switched live to the Moscone Center in San Francisco. Now we're just waiting for Stevie....

17:05 GMT: Still no sign of Steve... People are still walking into the conference room - looks like they're running a little late. The camera is doing a good job of showing off everyone with their iPhones while we all wait here in anticipation.

17:13 GMT: Alright, lights have dimmed... looks like it's going to start any second.

17:14 GMT: Steve's up - w00t!

17:15 GMT: He's recapping what Pascal has just gone over!

17:15 GMT: Steve says "Thank you for an extraordinary 2007."

17:16 GMT: He's got four things to talk about today... first is Leopard.

17:16 GMT: Leopard has shipped more than five million copies in the first 90 days - the most successful OS release Apple has ever had.

17:16 GMT: Microsoft is now shipping Office Mac 2008 - this is the last big app to go native on Intel Macs

17:17 GMT: He's now talking about Time Machine in Tiger

17:18 GMT: Steve has announced the Time Capsule - Airport Extreme (802.11n) and a Hard Drive. Allows you to back up your notebook wirelessly.

17:19 GMT: You can back up all Macs in your house to this device. Two models - 500GB and 1TB at $299 and $499 respectively. Will ship in February.

17:20 GMT: Showing an ad for Time Machine now.

17:21 GMT: "That's Time Capsule - a perfect companion to Leopard."

17:21 GMT: Now the iPhone...

17:21 GMT: Apple has sold four million iPhones since its launch... exactly 200 days ago.

17:22 GMT: Smartphone marketshare after just 90 days - Blackberry - 39%, 19.5% iPhone, 9.8% Palm

17:23 GMT: Reckons December quarter will be even better.

17:23 GMT: New features for the iPhone today

17:24 GMT: Maps with location, Webclips, Customise the home screen (upto 9 and you can flip between), SMS multiple people at once, Chapters, subtitles, languages and lyrics.

17:25 GMT: Maps has a new UI - showing off the locate function. Looks pretty swish.

17:26 GMT: Can also drop pins anywhere on the map.

17:27 GMT: Now showing off the multi-person SMS functionality.

17:28 GMT: Now showing off how to send SMSs to more than one person and then track the conversation between those people.

17:29 GMT: Safari has also changed - showing off Webclips now. There's a plus button at the bottom that allows you to select Add Bookmark, Add to Front Screen. Just touching the icon on the home screen allows you to return right back to the website you've just saved to the Front Screen.

17:30 GMT: You can drag icons around on the home screen. Can create upto nine of these home screens and can flip between them like you'd flick through photos.

17:31 GMT: Now explaining how Maps with location works - it's done with the help of Google and Skyhook. The two have been driving around and mapping out using WiFi access points and Mobile Phone Antennae.

17:33 GMT: You can now navigate through videos with chapters if the information is available. Can also change languages and lyrics (and so on). Available today as a free software update for every iPhone user.

17:34 GMT: "The iPhone isn't standing still."

17:34 GMT: Now is the iPod touch.

17:34 GMT: Five new apps - Mail, Stocks, Notes and Weather. Maps with WiFi location, <missed the last bit...>

17:35 GMT: $20 update for current iPod touch owners. Free for everyone that buys a new iPod touch.

17:35 GMT: Number three is iTunes... sold the four billionth song last week.

17:36 GMT: Sold 20 million songs on Christmas day - new record.

17:36 GMT: 120 million TV shows and 7 million movies

17:37 GMT: Not satisfied with the movie sales figures... so Apple is introducing iTunes movie rentals

17:37 GMT: 11 movie studios supporting it - every major studio.

17:38 GMT: All of the top films from last year, as well as lots of what Steve refers to as "library movies".

17:39 GMT: Going to launch with over 1,000 films in February - will have them 30 days after the DVD release

17:40 GMT: Watch anywhere - Macs, PCs, all current iPods/iPhone... Watch instantly, less than 30 seconds with a modern broadband connection

17:41 GMT: Once you've purchased it, you have 30 days to start watching... 24 hours to finish once you've started watching. Can also transfer to other devices halfway through.

17:41 GMT: Transfer movies via iTunes

17:41 GMT: Library release $2.99, New release $3.99

17:41 GMT: Launches today in the US, Internationally "later this year."

17:42 GMT: Big flatscreen TV on the screen now.... "what about this?"

17:43 GMT: Everyone has missed when it comes to getting TV onto HDTVs via the Internet. Announcing AppleTV take two. No computer required.

17:44 GMT: Can rent movies on Apple TV, HD movies with Dolby 5.1, Podcasts (both Audio and Video), Photos from Flickr and .Mac

17:45 GMT: Now talking about YouTube on Apple TV. You can also buy TV and movies on the new Apple TV. HD movies are $3.99 and $4.99 respectively. Over 100 titles in HD - going to build really fast.

17:46 GMT: Entirely new user interface for Apple TV. Now showing demo on screen.

17:48 GMT: Before you rent, you get a preview/trailer for free.

17:49 GMT; Interface is swish as you'd expect.. simply select "Rent" and then confirm and it starts to download - after about 20 seconds, it indicated that it was ready to play. Can skip through chapters too... Not sure if you can skip back though...

17:50 GMT: Now playing some HD footage...

17:51 GMT: Showing off the Apple TV search functionality now - looks really well polished.

17:54 GMT: He's now demonstrating Podcasting on Apple TV. Some crazy dude Skiing down a mountain and then parachuting off... pretty crazy.

17:55 GMT: Now demonstrating photos functionality. He's streaming a slideshow live from .Mac servers.

17:56 GMT: There's also movies on .Mac... so he's going to show off Apple TV streaming video from .Mac - again, Stevie says it's all live.

17:57 GMT: With Apple TV, there's no computer involved... they can do this all from their sofa on their HDTV.

17:57 GMT: Now showing Flickr functionality...

17:57 GMT: Browsing to some photos and then.... the demo isn't working... Black screen... Brilliant. I guess that's live!

17:59 GMT: To recap 1,000 movies for rental (100 in HD) 600 TV shows, 6 million songs, over 125,000 podcasts, photos from .Mac and Flickr (when it works, heh), 50 million YouTube videos too...

18:00 GMT: Apple TV 2.0 is a free software update - free for every Apple TV owner.

18:00 GMT: Wants to make Apple TV even more accessible... dropped from $299 to $229 in two weeks. Software update will hit at the same time.

18:01 GMT: He's recapping Apple TV and iTunes movie rentals.

18:02 GMT: 20th Century Fox was the first to sign up to iTunes movie rentals...

18:03 GMT: Jim Gianopulos, CEO of Fox is on stage...

18:04 GMT: He's talking about the basic features of iTunes movie rentals...

18:04 GMT: "Homer's on board" - he's referring to The Simpsons Movie.

18:04 GMT: Jim says when Steve came to him with this idea, it was a no brainer...

18:05 GMT: Thinks this will be a transformative version of the movie rental model

18:06 GMT: Jim's now talking about DVD... he said "after that it will be Blu-ray"

18:06 GMT: He's holding Family Guy: Blue Harvest which contains a digital copy that you can instantly move to iTunes and your iPod/iPhone/etc... "and it's free!"

18:07 GMT: He thinks this is an exciting move for the entertainment industry... maybe we're finally going to get back on track?

18:07 GMT: iTunes movie rentals was the third thing he wanted to talk about... Number 4: "There's something in the air..."

18:08 GMT: Introducing a third Macbook - the Macbook Air....

18:08 GMT: "World's thinnest notebook"

18:09 GMT: Talking about the Sony TZ... which is about 3lbs and 0.8-1.2 inches with a 11-12 inch display... compromise on keyboard too (miniature)... Compromise on performance too...

18:09 GMT: Too many compromises... 3lb is a good weight though...

18:10 GMT: 0.76" to 0.16" tick - holy moly!!

18:11 GMT: Fits inside a jiffy bag... LOL... he's holding up a jiffy bag with one inside...

18:11 GMT: THIS THING IS INSANE!!

18:12 GMT: LED backlit 13.3" display with iSight camera and full sized keyboard.

18:13 GMT: Also backlit

18:13 GMT: Multitouch gestures in the trackpad... you can turn on multiple gestures in the options screen.

18:13 GMT: Battery change, brb

18:17 GMT: 80GB hard drive, Core 2 Duo 1.6GHz (option for 1.8GHz)... using a smaller packaging than a standard Core 2 Duo. It's 60 percent smaller than the standard Core 2 Duo packaging.

18:34 GMT: Apologies for the delay... one dead/damaged battery to throw out.

Anyway, to sum up what Steve finished with, he said that the Macbook Air would cost $1799 with 2GB of RAM as standard. It will ship in two weeks. Pre orders are being taken from the webstore already. The notebook doesn't have an optical drive, but it can share another Mac's DVD drive wirelessly. He saved battery life until last - he says that you'll get five hours of battery from the Macbook Air with WiFi enabled.

18:41 GMT: Steve says he's looking forward to a very innovative 2008 - he's now left the stage.

That's all folks... I'm sorry I missed the last few minutes! The Air looks absolutely amazing though - I'm off to see if I can find one to take some pictures!

108 Comments

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Mankz 15th January 2008, 16:38 Quote
Nice! live broadcasting!
adam197 15th January 2008, 16:53 Quote
I love MWSF day. Better than Christmas :D
p3n 15th January 2008, 17:01 Quote
iWife, c'mon!
Jamie 15th January 2008, 17:01 Quote
Looking forward to hearing about the new mac... if there is one...
adamc 15th January 2008, 17:05 Quote
There's something in the air... all sorts of new wireless mcgubbins?
Bindibadgi 15th January 2008, 17:05 Quote
Touchscreen Mac!! Tablet.. mini-Mac-mobile.. iUMPC??
badders 15th January 2008, 17:12 Quote
Small Flying Creatures.... It's Steve! That's why he wears the polo neck, to cover his wings.
Jamie 15th January 2008, 17:21 Quote
Wireless Time Machine? The initial backup will take a while!
Bindibadgi 15th January 2008, 17:34 Quote
Not on draft-n it isn't. Sure, it's not Gigabit or another internal hard drive but at least it's MIMO+Fast
CardJoe 15th January 2008, 17:34 Quote
OMG IT'S WEB 2.0 OMGOMGOMGOMGMONKEYOMG
Firehed 15th January 2008, 17:35 Quote
And Apple has finally infiltrated Bit HQ (allowing me to have MacRumors live feed on my iPhone and this page right next to it - win!).
p3n 15th January 2008, 17:36 Quote
wireless n will be 100 mbit on average, you remember when things were that 'slow'.....
Hugo 15th January 2008, 17:36 Quote
Draft-N is fast enough for most people, faster than my homeplug ethernet for sure.

And wow Tim is updating the site but he isn't at his desk - HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE!?!?!?!
Mankz 15th January 2008, 17:40 Quote
Rentals?

I wonder how?
Firehed 15th January 2008, 17:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by p3n
wireless n will be 100 mbit on average, you remember when things were that 'slow'.....
Not even close. I've got full current Apple N gear, and even right next to the router, it says 130Mbps (even though it should get 300Mbps), but only gets a practical throughput of maybe 10-15Mbps (1-2MB/s).

Those rental pricings are spot-on the pricing for where I used to work. Granted it was 3-day rentals (5 for older stuff) but you did have to worry about stuff being out of stock, etc.

/ninjaedit - HD appleTV? Win!
CardJoe 15th January 2008, 17:49 Quote
OMG HE JUST UPDATED IT - NOW ITS WEB 2.1 OMGOMGOMGOMGCHIMPANZEEOMGOMG
Jordan Wise 15th January 2008, 18:00 Quote
this is crazy, i just can't read fast enough to keep up with time! Damn Tim and his fingers of lightening!
Mankz 15th January 2008, 18:12 Quote
LOL! Thats tiny!
Jamie 15th January 2008, 18:20 Quote
OMG that is so thin!
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:20 Quote
see if it hadnt been for Apple asking Intel to shrink the c2d we would still be using cpu's the size of a brick yeh
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:25 Quote
no dvd drive , no real biggie
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:26 Quote
$1799 with 2gb ram
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:27 Quote
order today ships in two weeks 5hr battery life looks good too
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:28 Quote
oh noes the battery change had gone wrong :)
jreesnc 15th January 2008, 18:30 Quote
Maybe next time bring a pc with a hot swappable battery? My ThinkPad has one ;-)
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:31 Quote
so it can fit in an envelope what happens if you drop it or let the Royal Mail deliver it ? will it survive
GoodBytes 15th January 2008, 18:31 Quote
iLife iCar iDrive iStore iPod iHome iEnjoy... iStupid iCan't iTalk!
lol!
Firehed 15th January 2008, 18:32 Quote
Hmm.... looks like a very nice machine, but I'd have to try one out first. Looks like upgrading RAM is out though, which is a big :( for me as I'd want to port over my latest 4GB kit that I just got last week for my MBP were I to get one.
Bindibadgi 15th January 2008, 18:32 Quote
£1200 we recon - same as base spec Sony TZ, although expect the TZ to drop in price as well I'd imagine.
alextwo 15th January 2008, 18:33 Quote
Hmm, 64GB SSD option as well.
badders 15th January 2008, 18:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpman
so it can fit in an envelope what happens if you drop it or let the Royal Mail deliver it ? will it survive

It might do, but if you really want to break it, you need to send it via CityLink.
Mankz 15th January 2008, 18:35 Quote
The Air looks amazing!
pumpman 15th January 2008, 18:37 Quote
oh you can see the headlines "Apple charges £1700 for air "
Tim S 15th January 2008, 18:43 Quote
Check out Apple.com if you want a glimpse of what the Air looks like.. I'm trying to find out whether or not this is the first notebook based on Montevina.
Firehed 15th January 2008, 18:47 Quote
Apple store (US) is back up, guess that's it. No One More Thing?

Huh. As usual, overhyped to heck. The Air looks really nice, but all things considered is impractical for me, at least for the price (I still want something smaller than a Macbook, not just thinner). I know a magic way to knock $200 off the price, but even still it's not or me. Xserve it is I suppose (where that same magic knocks $600 off :D)
manjowithane 15th January 2008, 18:57 Quote
This MacBook Air sounds like a rich man's toy. You are expected to have another computer just to be able to read discs... clever idea, but is it practical?
Jordan Wise 15th January 2008, 18:58 Quote
not a bad keynote, i really can't wait for apple to move onto its 'j' line up of products though
rowin4kicks 15th January 2008, 18:58 Quote
would rather get the air than the normal mac book! but if i was gonna spend upwards of £1200 on an apple laptop it would defiantly be on the MBP!
rowin4kicks 15th January 2008, 19:02 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by manjowithane
This MacBook Air sounds like a rich man's toy. You are expected to have another computer just to be able to read discs... clever idea, but is it practical?

you say tht but most people do have at least one computer in their hoses these days, we have 4 and two are sitting in my room now!

most of the people on this site probably have at least 3 going right now as well!
Bindibadgi 15th January 2008, 19:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by manjowithane
This MacBook Air sounds like a rich man's toy. You are expected to have another computer just to be able to read discs... clever idea, but is it practical?

Uh yes! I'm the most anti-Apple person in the office and it's so full of awesome even I want one. It would be perfect for trade shows, but at $1700 it's just waaay to expensive - but at least now I can see why and the Sony TZ is just as "bad".
ArtificialHero 15th January 2008, 19:13 Quote
Pfft. Sure, it's thin and light. I'm just going to come out and say it: who gives a ****! I carry a shoulder bag or a rucksack, and both can fit my powerbook in with no worries. If the weight is a problem for you then geez, get down the gym. What's much more important to me is power. I don't want to compromise on processor speed because I'm away from home, so I guess a MBA isn't for me. Shame, I was really hoping for a case redesign across the board, I think the MBPs are starting to look a tiny bit tired. If Apple had squeezed in the same power as the MBP into that package I might consider paying a premium, but there's no way I'm paying that kind of money for something with a 1.6GHz C2D. My next laptop will be a MBP, but I'll probably wait for the next speed bump. For me, the most exciting thing about MWSF this year has been the iPhone updates. Very excited to try them out.

AH
Orca 15th January 2008, 19:21 Quote
I like it... but it's too pricey for me. I was hoping from some sort of 11/12" Macbook Pro and was willing to sell my current Macbook for it, but ah well. Maybe I'll grab an Eee PC if I wanted something even smaller I suppose.
Firehed 15th January 2008, 19:21 Quote
Meh. It's really thin, and fairly light. It's the same size as the Macbooks. I don't care about how thin it is, I want something the size of the 12"PB or smaller. If they'd released an 11-12" widescreen with nice thin bezels around the screen (like on the MBP, not those inch-wide monstrosities around the MB), I'd be all over it.

Yeah, it looks very pretty. I don't really care. As someone said on Macrumors forums, "it's cute". It's not an ultra portable, it has zero upgrade-ability, and addresses the wrong aspect of a very portable machine.

Looks like my next decision is whether to get a Mac Mini for $539 or a quad Mac Pro for $1839 along with a base-level Xserve at $2399. Oh well.

Of course, that'll have to be in another couple months as I'm still recovering from that TempurPedic purchase
frontline 15th January 2008, 19:24 Quote
yay, another mac laptop with specs that you can buy for half the price elsewhere! :)
naokaji 15th January 2008, 19:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by badders
It might do, but if you really want to break it, you need to send it via CityLink.

but with city link i would atleast never get to see just how damaged it is because they built the depot where i would have to pick it up out in the wild instead of an area where people live, so they are definitly worth their insane prices:D
badders 15th January 2008, 19:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by naokaji

but with city link i would atleast never get to see just how damaged it is because they built the depot where i would have to pick it up out in the wild instead of an area where people live, so they are definitly worth their insane prices:D

It's not the insane prices I have trouble with, it's the fact that I'm sure they load their vans with a frozen chicken gun at 200 paces.
chicorasia 15th January 2008, 19:36 Quote
underpowered: c2d 1,6GHz, optionally 1,8GHz (the current macbook range starts at 2,0GHz) / 1.8" parallel ATA (that's right, no SATA) 4200rpm (that's right, forty-two-hundred rpm) - good luck finding a replacement!


underfeatured: no ethernet (only airport), single USB port, no optical drive, 2GB onboard RAM (that's right, the RAM is soldered onto the logic board, don't even dream of upgrading!), no firewire (which was standard on every mac since the 350MHz imacs)...

oversized: at 13" it is not much more portable than the 13" macbook.....

overpriced: there's no argument about that...

If "innovation is the refusal to compromise", I don't see any innovation on the macbook air.... They just made way too many compromises in order to achieve a certain look, ruining the functionality and usability in the process!
msm722 15th January 2008, 19:49 Quote
Like all apple products, never buy the 1st gen.
Give it a year and we'll see a price drop and the essential features we all need. Maybe then I'll consider one, just maybe.
CardJoe 15th January 2008, 19:57 Quote
Thin doesn't really do it for me if its still wide. I'll just EEE PC instead methinks. And at that price? Pfft. I'd get a low end and mod it up.

The Wireless DVD is damn cool and I like the sound of it, but all thats doing is stopping people from buying if they don't already have a Mac. That, more than anything else, loses me as a customer.
Jamie 15th January 2008, 19:59 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardJoe
Thin doesn't really do it for me if its still wide. I'll just EEE PC instead methinks.

That would certainly be a cheaper option.
Daza 15th January 2008, 20:12 Quote
The SD version is £2,028.00.

And the best part theres NO user replacement battery so once every 5hrs its recharge time, no ethernet port is a bit of a let down as its wireless only, maybe next time apple.
Nexxo 15th January 2008, 20:20 Quote
Y'all are not getting it. This is not a geek/gamebook. It is not a media player. It is not a long-haul flight workstation. It is a laptop that City types can drop in their briefcase and just work on, during the train journey or in their hotel, without thinking too much about logistics such as size, weight, carrier and accessories.

My tablet has better battery life and firewire, but less processing power and RAM. I use it for office tasks on the go, and it is powerful enough for that.

You are also overlooking the innovation of the product. It is a proof of concept. The trackpad is beautifully intuitive, and Remote Disk, frankly, is seriously cool.
Hamish 15th January 2008, 20:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
Y'all are not getting it. This is not a geek/gamebook. It is not a media player. It is not a long-haul flight workstation. It is a laptop that City types can drop in their briefcase and just work on, during the train journey or in their hotel, without thinking too much about logistics such as size, weight, carrier and accessories.
its like ... 1cm thicker than my dad's dell 13" which he got a couple of months ago with VASTLY superior specs for less than its going to cost here
the dell has better battery life, more performance, upgradable, spare batteries, proper inputs/outputs, is the same width/depth, 1cm thicker and ~1lb heavier

i dont see how the Air is so much better considering what you're giving up to gain 1cm and 1lb

the multi-touch trackpad is about the only truly innovative thing on it and i'd have to use that to determine whether its actually any good or not
and remote disk? most apps dont require the disk itself just the files on it, copy the cd to disk on another machine and share that
failing that, ever heard of daemon tools? :p
Tim S 15th January 2008, 20:39 Quote
Firehed 15th January 2008, 20:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardJoe
Thin doesn't really do it for me if its still wide. I'll just EEE PC instead methinks. And at that price? Pfft. I'd get a low end and mod it up.

The Wireless DVD is damn cool and I like the sound of it, but all thats doing is stopping people from buying if they don't already have a Mac. That, more than anything else, loses me as a customer.
Wireless DVD is trivially easy to do regardless. Well at least as far as reading goes. I've already got everything useful stored as/ripped to a dmg that I keep on my nas, and I just mount it as needed. The real problem is that with this thing, there's no good way to reinstall your OS unless you've got the hardwired external drive.

I was really hoping for something like the eee except not so toy-ish.
Hamish 15th January 2008, 20:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firehed
The real problem is that with this thing, there's no good way to reinstall your OS unless you've got the hardwired external drive.
well i would hope you can boot off a usb cd/dvd drive
and any usb cd/dvd not just the mac one
Elspuddy 15th January 2008, 21:13 Quote
is it me or does the macbook air keyboard look like one from a spectrum 48k ?
Firehed 15th January 2008, 21:19 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamish
well i would hope you can boot off a usb cd/dvd drive
and any usb cd/dvd not just the mac one
You already can (yes, with any USB drive). I'm just saying that the remote drive thing is no good for reinstalling the OS.
koola 15th January 2008, 21:30 Quote
Forget the mba, the time capsule is ace. Perfect for time machine and sharing.

Pre-ordered mine already lol
Mankz 15th January 2008, 21:39 Quote
I'm with Koola.

Time Capsule is much more appealing to my needs than a MBA.
SuiSid3l 15th January 2008, 21:41 Quote
If you need more than 2gigs of ram then your looking at the wrong machine. go buy a mbp and stop complaining.
TGImages 15th January 2008, 21:48 Quote
I was strongly considering this... but... probably not anymore.

Good:
Thin, light, Wireless-N

Bad:
non user replaceable battery
only 1 USB port... most external drives want 2
intel built in video
2GB on the motherboard, not replaceable or upgradeable.
4200 RPM drive
1.6 (or 1.8) dual core

Undecided:
no ethernet port
no firewire.

Comments:
This is really targeted towards an ultra portable business user who does minimal graphics and works wirelessly without CD/DVD media or extra drives. Anyone else will probably be better served with the MacBook or MacBook Pro series. The final deal breakers for me are the non user replaceable battery and fixed 2GB. Running Parallels with two active OSes with essentially only 1GB each is really pushing it. Media people (movies, digital photos, etc.) won't have enough storage and don't have firewire drive options (something Apple has pushed a lot) and with the single USB port there won't be many external storage options (unless you are near a power source) that can be used.

I can understand the lower ghz CPU for power and heat issues but again that impacts media usage and leaves pretty much only the "generic" app user base.

But that's just my 2 cents.
naokaji 15th January 2008, 21:53 Quote
toshibas portege 500 series atleast if you can source the cash:'(
Firehed 15th January 2008, 22:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by koola
Forget the mba, the time capsule is ace. Perfect for time machine and sharing.

Pre-ordered mine already lol

Eh, I already have an airport extreme with a USB drive in. I consider it a wholly insufficient solution, especially as the authentication is a bit whacked and it's inside the network only (unless you ssh into one of your machines with it mounted and then navigate to /Volumes/AirportDiskName. As they're effectively the same thing, maybe Apple will release APE firmware 5.2.2 allowing TM backups so to not totally screw me over for buying something that was almost brand new a couple months ago.

Still, I'll probably be getting an XServe. I do enough web development work that I can kind of justify it on that alone, but mostly because 10.5 server should win at life (and my current fileserver can't run it, being a windows box).

Well,

$500 - Apple Developer Membership, which gets me (among other things) about 20% off a purchase once a year, knocking the XServe down to $2400, and a quad Mac Pro to just over $1800. I'll sell the MBP which will probably get me most of that $1800 back, and then maybe get a standard entry-level Macbook for $989. Dunno, contemplating it later tonight as I should be able to offload some of the cost of the server to the family (and then own them with rendering speed for whatever with Xgrid)
CardJoe 15th January 2008, 22:58 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
Y'all are not getting it. This is not a geek/gamebook. It is not a media player. It is not a long-haul flight workstation. It is a laptop that City types can drop in their briefcase and just work on, during the train journey or in their hotel, without thinking too much about logistics such as size, weight, carrier and accessories.

My tablet has better battery life and firewire, but less processing power and RAM. I use it for office tasks on the go, and it is powerful enough for that.

You are also overlooking the innovation of the product. It is a proof of concept. The trackpad is beautifully intuitive, and Remote Disk, frankly, is seriously cool.

Those type of people would, imo, have a laptop bought for them by their work or not be incredibly proficient with systems anyway. Either way, I think its more likely those people would go with a windows system. As others have pointed out, you can get a better Dell for less and get all the support etc that goes with it. If people were really worried about size, weight etc, then they'd probably want something thats less wide too. I can see it being useful in some scenarios - but most of those I can think of, you'd either want a CD drive probably (and not have to rely on a nearby Mac too) or something with a bit more grunt for presentations.

I dig what Apple have done and I bet it'll sell out of this world - but to me it's a massive design failure. It may be thin, but it threw away everything else I'd ever want in order to bring me something I'm not too bothered about.

And those people who just need something for a train etc will only carry it for a short time anyway - I doubt weight would be a major concern for a modern travelling businessman.
Solidus 15th January 2008, 22:59 Quote
Im not sure what the fuss is about. It does look nice but its specs are quite poor compared to the laptops out right now.

Iv just picked up a Dell XPS for £730 and i think its awesome, even though iv hated Dell prior (and still do minus this laptop)

Apple is focusing more on fashion statements than features it seems. A super sexy laptop that does about half of what the compeition does, which do it for almost half the price....hmmm...i dont know but common sense is telling me, just go with value for money and i really wouldnt shell out on that laptop.

I do however want an Iphone. As much of a ripoff as it is, when it comes down in price and more realistic in its approuch, il certainly look to get one as it is "sexy" but im not paying through the nose for it which seems to be apples aim these days and cashing in on the "cool rich kids" that can afford to shell out on their items.
antiHero 15th January 2008, 23:02 Quote
If you have the money get a Xserv! We got one in april last year and its a blast so far. Everything(except printers from windows:?) run perfect out of the box. Plus the whole sleek+small apple thing.
Tim S 15th January 2008, 23:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
And those people who just need something for a train etc will only carry it for a short time anyway - I doubt weight would be a major concern for a modern travelling businessman.
I dunno, I travel a lot and the only things that really put me off this notebook is the lack of Ethernet and inability to change the battery. It's got everything else I'd ever want - I see it as equivalent to my ThinkPad, but with a bigger screen, higher resolution, more performance and a smaller form factor (width doesn't bother me here, as laptop bags generally come in sizes that are way too big for my ThinkPad anyway). It weighs about the same and I see that as a good thing - the last time I lugged a 2.5-3.0kg laptop around a tradeshow, I had back ache for about a week afterwards.

OK, the battery isn't a massive issue, but I can fly across the world and use my laptop for about 15 hours of my flight time without a charge (using one 4-cell and one 8-cell) - WiFi has to be disabled obviously and the screen brightness is turned right down (you don't need it on high when you're on a plane anyway). In normal use, I get around 6 1/2 to 7 hours with WiFi on and a bit of screen brightness from the 8-cell and another 3 from the 4-cell (that's now dead - I'll be getting a replacement soon).

Ethernet is the big issue for me though - the press rooms at CES didn't have WiFi and that's also the case at many other events I go to. It'd suck if I got to an event and there was no WiFi, because the only way I could then connect is to piggyback off someone else's Ethernet if they want to play nice. :)
kempez 15th January 2008, 23:34 Quote
I think I'd honestly prefer an EEPC....is that bad?

The Air is a nice model but the things it's lacking just aren't good enough...no DVD drive? This laptop is nice but lacking far too much to be a player for me :(
Jamie 15th January 2008, 23:36 Quote
I really like the new magsafe connection layout, it's really a big improvement since on the currenet models you can't really use it between your legs as it'll knock out the plug.
koola 15th January 2008, 23:45 Quote
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Eh, I already have an airport extreme with a USB drive in. I consider it a wholly insufficient solution, especially as the authentication is a bit whacked and it's inside the network only (unless you ssh into one of your machines with it mounted and then navigate to /Volumes/AirportDiskName. As they're effectively the same thing, maybe Apple will release APE firmware 5.2.2 allowing TM backups so to not totally screw me over for buying something that was almost brand new a couple months ago.

Yeah, a lot of people feel a bit screwed over but I'm sure Apple will release an updated firmware.

I'm curious to know if the time capsule 500GB models hd can be swapped out with a 1TB hdd. Will be doing so if possible.
samkiller42 15th January 2008, 23:48 Quote
It looks pretty nice that new MAC, certainly has me interested slightly. Lack of ethernet is my issue, as well as DVD, but isn't there a posibility that Apple are producing a USB - Ethernet Adapter? surely that would make sence, rather than cutting it all together.

15hours on one battery Tim? thats incredible, i was amazed when i got over 7 hours out of my 3 hour Asus battery, and i was running Vista:D

SAm
Tim S 15th January 2008, 23:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by samkiller42
15hours on one battery Tim? thats incredible, i was amazed when i got over 7 hours out of my 3 hour Asus battery, and i was running Vista:D

SAm

Two batteries (1x 4-cell, 1x 8-cell) :)

The 8 does about 10 1/2 hours and the 4 does about 4 1/2 to 5 with very aggressive power saving features turned on.
Joeymac 16th January 2008, 00:42 Quote
Way too expensive. I was hoping for something about £700/800 max.
I don't get why they made it a wedge shape. That makes no sense, they don't look right.. I think it would look a lot nicer if they leveled that off from the thick end.. included an ethernet jack, an extra usb port and bumped it up to 2Ghz with additional breathing space...also losing that hideously thick edge around the screen would be a good idea.
The multi-touch track pad is nice, it's going to be a year till that gets added to the other laptops though. Also since the Intel guy was dragged out I thought they would be announcing this thing would be running the new 45nm chips. Shame it's missed out on that...
I can't see a reason to get one of these over a 15 inch MBP. If you got it you would be sitting happily using it on the train or something and some one with an equally priced MBP will sit next to you and just say "huh.. got one of those did ya" That's gonna smart a bit...
I was hoping that this device would finally be a mac I could get.. alas no... even with a 25% discount. I'm going to have to wait for the 45nm refreshes of MBP's or Macbooks, which maybe soonish.. but I won't be able to get one without the big trackpad! Which means I'll have to wait frickin longer.
I hate computers.
Tomm 16th January 2008, 01:20 Quote
I think this is the kind of computer I want. I have a 12" Powerbook at the moment alongside my main PC, and it works great. In the 2 years I've had it, I can count on one hand the number of times I've used the DVD drive (seriously), so the lack of that doesn't bother me. Similarly with the firewire - I've never really used that either. I've never plugged in an ethernet cable - wireless all the way, baby. This thing has a brighter, bigger screen than my PB, and better battery life, too.

BUT I'm not a fan of the aesthetics of it particularly. Those curved edge that make it look like it floats are just wrong. Should make it easy to grab and pick up though. My head says it's a great computer, but my 'want' sense isn't tingling very hard over this one. Which is really the opposite of what most Apple products do for me.
samkiller42 16th January 2008, 01:21 Quote
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Easily connect your MacBook Air computer

Well, it seems its for the Air anyway, heh.

Sam
bahgger 16th January 2008, 02:12 Quote
well it seems we've found the solution to tims problemveith the lack of Ethernet :P so which Macbook Air are you getting good sir?
completemadness 16th January 2008, 04:45 Quote
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There goes your 1 and only USB port, joy
CardJoe 16th January 2008, 07:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
I dunno, I travel a lot and the only things that really put me off this notebook is the lack of Ethernet and inability to change the battery. It's got everything else I'd ever want - I see it as equivalent to my ThinkPad, but with a bigger screen, higher resolution, more performance and a smaller form factor (width doesn't bother me here, as laptop bags generally come in sizes that are way too big for my ThinkPad anyway). It weighs about the same and I see that as a good thing - the last time I lugged a 2.5-3.0kg laptop around a tradeshow, I had back ache for about a week afterwards.

OK, the battery isn't a massive issue, but I can fly across the world and use my laptop for about 15 hours of my flight time without a charge (using one 4-cell and one 8-cell) - WiFi has to be disabled obviously and the screen brightness is turned right down (you don't need it on high when you're on a plane anyway). In normal use, I get around 6 1/2 to 7 hours with WiFi on and a bit of screen brightness from the 8-cell and another 3 from the 4-cell (that's now dead - I'll be getting a replacement soon).

Ethernet is the big issue for me though - the press rooms at CES didn't have WiFi and that's also the case at many other events I go to. It'd suck if I got to an event and there was no WiFi, because the only way I could then connect is to piggyback off someone else's Ethernet if they want to play nice. :)

I'd MUCH rather have your Thinkpad than the Air. It's smaller, which is the entire point of the Air, has more connectivity and a more widley supported OS, decent enough specs and more than a single USB port. It's also good enough for some light gaming if I wanted (Fallout 2 for airplane fodder) and costs a hell of a lot less. I could buy a Thinkpad and an EEE PC and still have cash to put towards a laptop bag OR I could buy the Air.
outlawaol 16th January 2008, 08:10 Quote
That thing looks uber thin. I mean, it looks like if you pick it up wrong your going to snap it in half. heh.

Anyway, Im a PC fan boy... .bring on the windows that dosnt work sometimes!

;)
FR34K 16th January 2008, 08:49 Quote
O.O I'd be afraid to snap that wafer of a notebook...
Bindibadgi 16th January 2008, 08:56 Quote
After a night to sleep on it - I'd still buy a TZ. Like said I'd still need Ethernet and there are some limitations that are just too much. It's an excellent idea but having the buy the DVD drive, no extra battery etc - the cost just racks up.

The TZ has so much more, it's also smaller so it's actually more portable (at least for me), and it looks just as gorgeous.

EDIT: Also Sony did the "air" with its 505 three years ago: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2004/06/03/Sony-VAIO-VGN-X505VP-Ultra-Slim-Notebook/p1
Hugo 16th January 2008, 09:30 Quote
Motion carried, The only reason I'd buy the Air over the TZ is so I could whip it out and go "Look look, a MacBook Air".

The TZ Is still waaaay more desirable to my mind.
Hamish 16th January 2008, 10:24 Quote
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Still, I'll probably be getting an XServe. I do enough web development work that I can kind of justify it on that alone, but mostly because 10.5 server should win at life (and my current fileserver can't run it, being a windows box).
maybe the pricing is more favourable in the US but comparing UK XServe pricing to Dell 1u servers you'd have to be a madman to go XServe
i tried this a couple weeks ago, spec'd up a dual 2.8 quadcore xeon 1u system keeping all the specs as close to the same as possible
the dell with server 2003 R2 x64 was £1200 cheaper, £1600 if you want to run linux on it rather than windows
and i mean, for gods sake its a server, the only real advantage to Macs is basically negated (the slick and flashy design :p)
Tim S 16th January 2008, 10:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
I'd MUCH rather have your Thinkpad than the Air. It's smaller, which is the entire point of the Air, has more connectivity and a more widley supported OS, decent enough specs and more than a single USB port. It's also good enough for some light gaming if I wanted (Fallout 2 for airplane fodder) and costs a hell of a lot less. I could buy a Thinkpad and an EEE PC and still have cash to put towards a laptop bag OR I could buy the Air.

That's not the entire point of the Air though... the Air is designed to be an ultraportable (something that is defined by weight, not size) that has a full-sized keyboard and a decent-sized screen. The Air is something that you could almost use day in day out, whereas my ThinkPad isn't... Its 1024x768 resolution is a limiting factor in many scenarios and if I'm doing any serious work on it, it's hooked up to a much bigger monitor.
Bindibadgi 16th January 2008, 10:54 Quote
Well if you're in the market for an ultra portable get the TZ and have a higher resolution screen and better connectivity?
sub routine 16th January 2008, 11:02 Quote
OK so it looks superb, but it appears a bit overpriced and underpowered. Well not underpowered for the task it performs but certainly overpriced IMO.

It will appeal to wanky rich city types who sit in Starbucks drinking super double late expresso`s out of buckets with sprinkles on top. I used to like the design appeal of Apple but it`s super glorified Uber trendy bullcrap has overpriced and now put it as an elitist stylised PoP icon. Blah.
Bindibadgi 16th January 2008, 11:15 Quote
It's certainly NOT underpowered for an ultra portable - most ultra portables on the market have ULV processors of about 1GHz. I've used one in the Asus U1F and it's more than adequate for the size and usage model.
will. 16th January 2008, 11:30 Quote
I'm trying to watch the keynote of the apple website, but it's actually hard to sit through these plebs whoopin' an' a hollerin' to their demigod, Steve. Why? He's excited because he's sold a load of iPhones... Of course he is, he's stealing your money! Arghh... All fairness to the products, they are definitely good, and their marketing is genius, but the people that worship the products! I can't stand them. GRRRRR!
Tim S 16th January 2008, 12:45 Quote
Yeah, the wows and screams got a bit much to bear when I was watching it live too. :|
Jipa 16th January 2008, 13:35 Quote
Even though it's iSlim and quite iLight, it's also iTremendously expensive for the specs. I guess it goes along well with the rest of the laptops from Apple, but there's no way I'd shell such big bucks on one of those.
Bauul 16th January 2008, 14:25 Quote
Meh, style over substance with a huge and crippiling price point to boot, the story of every Apple product. Whilst it certainly looks the part, the lack of Ethernet puts it in real danger of being useless in many situations. Good for specialist situations, but that battery life is rather poor, and it simply isn't worth that amount of money for a half centremeter reduction in height. I'd certainly have a play with one if I ever saw it, but I'd never buy one.

Edit: Just saw a Woolworths home-brand laptop going for £300 that had the same specs of the Macbook Air. I think that says it all.
will. 16th January 2008, 14:27 Quote
Yea, and looks like someone dropped a roofing slate of the back of a lorry :p
Jipa 16th January 2008, 15:57 Quote
I don't get it how people dare to whine about the battery life? Damn 5 hours with wlan and BT on isn't half bad, I'll give Apple that.
Tim S 16th January 2008, 15:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
Edit: Just saw a Woolworths home-brand laptop going for £300 that had the same specs of the Macbook Air. I think that says it all.

Does it weigh less than 1.3kg though? Most people would say that the Macbook isn't "that heavy", but I thought about buying one when I bought my ThinkPad and it's a heavy beast... even though it's only about 2.2kg. I hate to sound like a broken record, but you pay more for an Ultra Portable notebook--even despite lower specs--because it doesn't weigh anything.

If you walk around a tradeshow for several days on the trot like I do, you want something as light as possible. At CES, I was walking around 10 miles per day getting between meetings that ran from 8:30am to well into the evening... most nights, I got back to my room around 10pm. Then I'd start work, so there was very little time to sleep.

My notebook is woefully underpowered for gaming, but since when did you need a 3GHz Core 2 Duo to check email, browse the web and edit a few photos? That's what my notebook (and the Macbook Air) is designed for. The Air has limitations--some massive, others unexplainable--but there are some definite attractions to it and, having recently bought a new Ultra Portable (well, earlier in the year), it's not priced too badly considering the spec.

The Air is a little expensive in Britain/Europe compared to America, but that's the case with just about anything. An example is that I paid less than £800 for my ThinkPad in Taiwan and it was well over £1300 here with a slightly lower spec (a CDRW instead of a DVDRW external drive - everything else was the same).
Tim S 16th January 2008, 15:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jipa
I don't get it how people dare to whine about the battery life? Damn 5 hours with wlan and BT on isn't half bad, I'll give Apple that.

Yep, it's pretty good, IMO... but there are other problems with the battery for me (not user-removable). :)
sub routine 16th January 2008, 16:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
If you walk around a tradeshow for several days on the trot like I do, you want something as light as possible. At CES, I was walking around 10 miles per day getting between meetings that ran from 8:30am to well into the evening... most nights, I got back to my room around 10pm. Then I'd start work, so there was very little time to sleep.

Did you do any whooping??? ;)
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Originally Posted by sub routine

It will appeal to wanky rich city types who sit in Starbucks drinking super double late expresso`s out of buckets with sprinkles on top. I used to like the design appeal of Apple but it`s super glorified Uber trendy bullcrap has overpriced and now put it as an elitist stylised PoP icon. Blah.
:D :D :D
Nexxo 16th January 2008, 16:21 Quote
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i dont see how the Air is so much better considering what you're giving up to gain 1cm and 1lb
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And those people who just need something for a train etc will only carry it for a short time anyway - I doubt weight would be a major concern for a modern travelling businessman.
I am a travelling clinician between three hospitals, and trust me, with all the other stuff I carry that extra 1lb makes a big difference.

1 USB port is generally enough --for memory sticks and USB drives ("Two USB ports? Not me: I plug in the Freecom Toughdrive and go!"). Else there is such a thing as... (wait for it) the portable USB hub! And for all those who moan about non-swappable batteries --hands up, those, who actually own two batteries for their laptop and actually carry them around to swap. Nobody? Hmmm? Thought so.

I agree it is pricey, a fair bit of style over substance, but it is also well-built and functional. And so caressable it's untrue. Only Sony laptops tend to come close.
Tim S 16th January 2008, 16:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
If you walk around a tradeshow for several days on the trot like I do, you want something as light as possible. At CES, I was walking around 10 miles per day getting between meetings that ran from 8:30am to well into the evening... most nights, I got back to my room around 10pm. Then I'd start work, so there was very little time to sleep.

Did you do any whooping??? ;)
Absolutely not... the most excited I got was when I typed "THIS THING IS INSANE!!" - but that was fairly early reactions though... my second more detailed analysis of the situation once I'd had time to sit down and think about it was a bit more in line with how I feel about the MBA.
Tim S 16th January 2008, 16:57 Quote
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I am a travelling clinician between three hospitals, and trust me, with all the other stuff I carry that extra 1lb makes a big difference.
I totally agree with this point.
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1 USB port is generally enough --for memory sticks and USB drives ("Two USB ports? Not me: I plug in the Freecom Toughdrive and go!"). Else there is such a thing as... (wait for it) the portable USB hub!
One is fine if there is wireless available, but on many occasions I've found that it's not available and I can't just work without it (I can't submit stories without any tubes to connect to). I thought it was ironic that Steve was talking about a notebook that relies pretty much solely on WiFi in the Moscone Center - a place known for its poor WiFi connectivity during Macworld/IDF. :D
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And for all those who moan about non-swappable batteries --hands up, those, who actually own two batteries for their laptop and actually carry them around to swap. Nobody? Hmmm? Thought so.
I carry two with me everywhere... although you could class the two I carried yesterday as one, because my spare was actually broken (not just flat). It's the same reason as above - redundancy is key for me being able to do my job.
CardJoe 16th January 2008, 17:15 Quote
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the portable USB hub!
I just think it would be far better to have a second port. Whats the point in an ultra portable laptop if you just need to carry extra faff?

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hands up, those, who actually own two batteries for their laptop and actually carry them around to swap. Nobody? Hmmm? Thought so.

The majority of laptop owners in the office. I know I definitely would buy too.
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
I agree it is pricey, a fair bit of style over substance, but it is also well-built and functional.

Far too expensive in my mind - especially when its $1000 for an 64GB SSD to add in and you need to send it away to get a new battery.

I just don't understand the USB thing at all - it limits you so, so much. You can't use DVD and USB at the same time without extra hassle. You can't use USB and ethernet. There's just so much you can't do. And the size of it means to me that it isn't ultra portable. It's light, but its too big to be heavy. Those techy people on the go are already catered to by Sony and the EEE PC, so while more competition is welcome, I don't see the big deal.
sub routine 16th January 2008, 17:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tim S
If you walk around a tradeshow for several days on the trot like I do, you want something as light as possible. At CES, I was walking around 10 miles per day getting between meetings that ran from 8:30am to well into the evening... most nights, I got back to my room around 10pm. Then I'd start work, so there was very little time to sleep.

Did you do any whooping??? ;)
Absolutely not... the most excited I got was when I typed "THIS THING IS INSANE!!" - but that was fairly early reactions though... my second more detailed analysis of the situation once I'd had time to sit down and think about it was a bit more in line with how I feel about the MBA.[/QUOTE]

/hehe

I agree though a beautiful beautiful looking machine.....
lamboman 16th January 2008, 17:41 Quote
I thought I would add in, the MBA is probably the worst priced normal laptop I have ever seen. £2300 for a laptop I could pick up from somewhere else for much less. Looks nice, but c'mon, Apple, get real.
Tim S 16th January 2008, 17:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by lamboman
I thought I would add in, the MBA is probably the worst priced normal laptop I have ever seen. £2300 for a laptop I could pick up from somewhere else for much less. Looks nice, but c'mon, Apple, get real.

It's £1,199 in its default configuration? :?
Freedom 16th January 2008, 22:31 Quote
Over priced I think, the hole point of making these laptops like the EEE is that fill the gap between PDA and full sized laptops If your going to charge that much then your never going to get anywhere. This is applies problem they don't have anything decent at the lower priced spectrum of PC hardware.
Redbeaver 17th January 2008, 15:51 Quote
holy cow, that thing is SEXY..........

the ethernet is the biggest gripe for me, but hey, all that means is carrying an extra wireless router with u and ur good to go.
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