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AMD Radeon HD 3850 & HD 3870 spotted in the wild

AMD Radeon HD 3850 & HD 3870 spotted in the wild

Already spotted online - the HD3870XTs and HD3850 Pros should be a good price.

bit-tech forum member, Mr Happy Mankz, snapped a picture of a popular online retailer listing AMD Radeon HD 3870 and Radeon HD 3850 graphics cards from various board partners. The prices might make Nvidia weep, especially when you take into account the fact that you can't buy a GeForce 8800 GT for love nor money at the moment.


No, I don't expect you to read that, click for full size!

Overclockers UK has since removed the listing, although the directory remains.

According to the screenshot, a Radeon HD 3870 XT with 512MB of GDDR4 will cost £158 (inc. VAT), whereas a cheaper 256MB GDDR3-based Radeon HD 3850 Pro is just £123 (inc. VAT) - that's right in range of the GeForce 8600 GTS. All products will come with a copy of Call of Juarez, which you can pick up yourself for £4.99 including delivery, meaning it's not much of a value-add, even if the game is right up your street.

Most Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTs are listed at over £170 (inc. VAT), but they're all on back order - that's because of the old "demand outstripping supply" problem. As soon as stock arrives and there's some competition in the upper-mid range, things should level out a bit. Either way, it might make some early 8800 GT/8600 GTS adopters gag just a bit, unless they're die hard Nvidia fanboys, that is.

We can't tell you how the cards will compare to their competition yet or even tell you when they'll be available to purchase, but I'm sure some enterprising search skills will help you there. You might be able to put one and one together anyway, as the picture shows stock of the HIS cards already. Obviously, we'll be here to give you the complete low-down when the time is right - good things come to those who wait, don't-cha-know?

Whether you love red or green, we're just thankful there might actually be some competition for a change! Let us know your thoughts in the forum.

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Polarl33t 13th November 2007, 10:32 Quote
Thats a pretty swift removal from the website! guessing they didn't want anyone to see, whoops!!
b1g-d0g 13th November 2007, 11:07 Quote
I have 2 3870`s in my basket :D got in there before it whent aol.
Zurechial 13th November 2007, 11:37 Quote
Benchmarks elsewhere (won't link anything, out of courtesy to Bit-tech) suggest that the 8800GT is 1 or 2 fps faster than the HD3870 in the Crysis timedemo, and around 100 points faster in 3dMark SM3.0 tests except when increasing AA to 8x, where the HD3870 wins by a similar margin.

Image quality appears to be pretty much the same between the two, so it looks to be a price war all the way.


In simple terms: This is bloody good news for us consumers, no matter what side of the ATIMD/nV fence we sit on. :D
DXR_13KE 13th November 2007, 11:47 Quote
PRICE WAR!!!!!
yakyb 13th November 2007, 12:08 Quote
x-fire generally scales better and x38 >>>better than 680i

looks like a couple of these would be great please :)

oh and 7.11 should give a nice bump to :-)
fwalm 13th November 2007, 12:09 Quote
AMD fights back more to the point, yepe, now why the hell did I go and buy an 8600.
cjmUK 13th November 2007, 12:11 Quote
Sounds like a good ploy from Overclockers - let this slip, claim the headlines, and have people checking back frequently for updates...

If the 8800GTs were in stock I would have already bought one. If these ATI cards are comparable, maybe I'll reconsider...
frontline 13th November 2007, 12:33 Quote
If the hints at their performance are true, it will be good to get some genuine choice back into the graphics card scene and hopefully more game developers will actively support crossfire. Can only be good for prices too as retailers are charging a premium on the 8800GT at the moment.
SlickGnome 13th November 2007, 14:03 Quote
Unless they have resolved the compatability issues I've seen with the ATI cards I'm going to Pickup the 8800GT for my new rig at the end of the year. I work at a Big Box retailer in the states and we see back a TON of ATI cards because of issues installing drivers or even just getting them detected correctly (granted half those people don't know the difference between a DVI Connector and a power switch) but we don't see any where near that in returns on the nvidia cards. Case in point, one of our sales associates (used to work with us in PC repair so he knows his stuff) is a HUGE ATI fanboy and he just swapped out a dead card for another ATI and after 4 hours of bashing his head on the wall trying to get it up and running he returned it and I talked him into the Nvidia equivilant. Score one for team NV!!
BadHead 13th November 2007, 14:03 Quote
Does it support DirectX10.1, though. Some reports seem to say it does, but does it really? I wouldn't buy one unless I know for definite that they do, otherwise you'll end up with a card that'll be one generation behind in only a few months. Remember, Directx 10 card aren't meant to be fully compatible with DirectX 10.1 cards.
oasked 13th November 2007, 17:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by BadHead
Does it support DirectX10.1, though. Some reports seem to say it does, but does it really? I wouldn't buy one unless I know for definite that they do, otherwise you'll end up with a card that'll be one generation behind in only a few months. Remember, Directx 10 card aren't meant to be fully compatible with DirectX 10.1 cards.

The HD3800 series supports DX10.1. The 8800GT doesn't.
Akava 13th November 2007, 23:24 Quote
I am a massive ATI fan, and if it wasn't for the stock problems I would already have a GT, now the question is, how long will i have to wait till I can get my hands on one. Bearing in mind i have already waited a few weeks to buy my new rig due to waiting for the GT...

Anyone have any info?


EDIT: Looks like a release date of the 19th of this month for the US, just 3 days after I can possibly get my hands on a GT, any idea when the UK release date is?
Nature 14th November 2007, 02:46 Quote
The support of DX10.1 is less important than the preformance of the actual card. The 8500gt DDR2 card supports dx10 yet could not play a single dx10 title aptly.
Mankz 14th November 2007, 11:32 Quote
Wantage.
dognosh 14th November 2007, 12:07 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by oasked
The HD3800 series supports DX10.1. The 8800GT doesn't.

All DirectX 10 compatible cards will support 10.1 , but they won't be able to take advantage of all it's features(and 10.1 is only a small jump from 10)
Paradigm Shifter 14th November 2007, 15:45 Quote
I'll take two 1GB cards, please. :D
Akava 14th November 2007, 17:07 Quote
I really want one, but unless i can find anywhere thats selling them in the next 2 days looks like ill be going GT... if only for a little while
OleJ 15th November 2007, 02:02 Quote
Thanks. And so I head on out to get an 8800GT. ATI drivers suck. Never ever going down that road.
Gravemind123 15th November 2007, 03:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by OleJ
Thanks. And so I head on out to get an 8800GT. ATI drivers suck. Never ever going down that road.

Everyone says this, but the only major driver issues in Windows I've ever ran into were with nVidia chipset drivers causing my WindowsXP install to BSOD on boot. The only Windows graphics driver issue I've had is getting a TV to run at a different resolution then my monitor using whatever nVidia driver I had at the time. Windows could not find the TV, but the nVidia control panel could, but would only let me run span or clone, so the resolution needed to be the same.

Although in Linux the story is different, hopefully the spec release of R500 and R600 cards will generate better Linux drivers for ATI. Although since I only do gaming in Windows, so my main system tends to just have Windows on it, as I game a lot and restarting to switch the OS is a pain. On a secondary computer/non-gaming system I would try for an nVidia card to get Compiz or similar effects working on it.
petedogg 15th November 2007, 09:34 Quote
Does everyone really think dx10.1 and shader 4.1 really matter at this point? They don't even have dx10 working right and not enough games out that support it at the moment. ATI is using it as a marketing ploy to sell their cards. By the time they get to using dx10.1 and shader 4.1 these cards will be obsolete !! Let alone be able to get decent FPS.
petedogg 15th November 2007, 09:44 Quote
By the way Clubit.com has 8800gt cards right now but you will pay more for it there but prices are still less than Ebay prices!
Paradigm Shifter 15th November 2007, 10:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by petedogg
Does everyone really think dx10.1 and shader 4.1 really matter at this point? They don't even have dx10 working right and not enough games out that support it at the moment. ATI is using it as a marketing ploy to sell their cards. By the time they get to using dx10.1 and shader 4.1 these cards will be obsolete !! Let alone be able to get decent FPS.

You mean like nVidia did with Shader Model 3 on the series 6 cards? Both of them have been guilty of this 'ploy' at one time or another, it's just swings and roundabouts... as always. :)
petedogg 15th November 2007, 10:46 Quote
My 8800 gt EVGA is coming tomorrow. Now I just have to make a decision. Do I sell it and make some money on Ebay with it or do I use it for the time being then use the step up program to get the next flavor of the month???
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