PowerDVD Ultra doesn't yet provide full TrueHD or MasterHD audio but will come 2008.
Since publishing our preview of
Gigabyte's GA-X38T-DQ6, a board that uses the Realtek ALC889a codec and supports HDCP content encryption, it became apparent that this doesn't matter for Cyberlink's PowerDVD Ultra, as the software appears to downsample all audio to 48KHz / 16-bit (DVD quality), regardless of whether there is content protection in place or not.
So, what's the point of HD quality audio if you're never going to get it? Is this the fault of Cyberlink, Microsoft, or is it simply sound card drivers? We talked to Cyberlink PowerDVD Product Manager, Louis Chen, to get to the bottom of it.
When asked why PowerDVD downsamples HD audio from both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs to 48KHz / 16-bit, Chen responded by saying that "
digital output without protection is not possible due to AACS requirement. Digital and analogue output with protection (HDMI) is also not possible due to lack of an internal secure audio path in a Windows PC.
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We are currently working with Realtek to support their proprietary interface for encryption of audio bus. Once completed, we will not longer need to downsample the audio. This will be provided for free to end-user for upgrade."
This didn't really clear up the downsampling situation though because, as far as we're aware all audio, regardless of encryption, is downsampled. We therefore pressed Chen to clear up the speculation. "
I think this is a mistake," he said, "
we never intended to pass this message. I think there might be some bug in our program that downsamples everything. That is not our intent. We only need to down-sample premium content (AACS, CPRM, etc)."
This prompted us to ask whether there is a requirement for AACS in a PC when a disc or file is not encrypted. Chen told us that the unencrypted scenario is not mandated by AACS so shouldn't be included in the downsampling.
We inquired further about the "secure internal audio path": is this because of Microsoft not providing one and/or sound card companies not providing a compatible driver? Chen informed us that there isn't an industry standard (defined by Microsoft or someone else) that makes the encryption/decryption path between software and audio driver secure. Cyberlink have to enable one chip after another which takes a considerable amount of time working with sound card providers, Microsoft and checking that it satisfies the AACS mandate.
The Realtek ALC889a is the only audio codec that advertises HDCP encryption, therefore allowing the full-HD audio, however Chen implied that other sound cards will also be capable. On inquiry Chen told us that Cyberlink is working with Realtek and other vendors like C-Media, ADI and Creative at defining a method to protect HD Audio, however as stated this takes time to enable. Once this path is secure, PowerDVD can output (analogue) in full resolution.
Finally we asked when can we expect the update to arrive, but Chen hesitated to give us a firm date, hinting that it will be sometime in 2008. This is understandable considering the many factors outside of Cyberlink's control.
Regardless of the no protection downsampling "bug" that currently exists in PowerDVD Ultra, it seems that those who have pushed AACS on us are progressively killing the home theatre PC industry. It seems ironic considering the Blu-ray and HD DVD specfications offer more PC-esq interactive features and CE devices are becoming less one function dumb boxes and more like the multifunction PC's we use every day.
The PC already doesn't support HDMI 1.3 because it cannot handle the 36-bit colour depths required for Deep Colour, since no Microsoft OS, including Vista, can recognise more than 24-bit RGB colour. It's now also been shown that you can't even do protected high-definition audio either. So, is high definition video enough for you considering you can't get all the extras that a consumer electronics device has, or is it yet another excuse to ignore it completely? Let us know your thoughts
in the forums.
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So pirates and "non-dmca conformists" will get a better deal than normal customers. Yet again.
you know these DRM restrictions are making my life very inconveniant as somoen interested in electronics and audio gear even if I don't want to watch there films by restricting access to I/O and IC's and its getting on my nerves.
Enjoy the Windows Vista Experience :'(
The confirmation of the "bug" that downsamples all high res content indiscriminately is rather concerning given how much they tout their audio support in their marketing. A bit dishonest if you ask me.
The HTPC has such potential but it's DRM issues like these that stop it from reaching that potential. Take this thread for example where people have been crying out for an HDMI solution that supports multiple channels of high res audio and even the multiple channels from games in a way that maximises fidelity and fully takes advantage of existing technology (HDMI's been around for a good while now). The current implementations of HDMI on pcs leave a lot to be desired as they are effectively just S/PDIF over HDMI. There's no technical reason that I know of that prevents the hardware manufacturers from providing a non-handicapped HDMI implementation. It seems to all be down to an issue of DRM which screws everything up and really limits what a great HT platform the pc can be. Rant over.
I am in the throws of building an HTPC as the centre of my Media home. This will be connected to a Pioneer Kuro 42" Plasma and a Yamaha DSP-AX863 AV Receiver, which has a 5.1 surround speaker set-up. I was looking at integrating a Blu-ray player into the system, but if the system can't output full resolution audio and video, all of a sudden I'm beginning to think this might not be the way to go.
How are things progressing on this front?
Cheers.
I've generated sine waves up in those frequencies and was unable to hear them with a good set of tweeters.. your not missing out on anything
The debate of this one has and will go on for years. Certainly, in audio test, i have heard differenced between 48 kHz and 96 kHz audio - how this is possible I don't know - but many other people feel/hear the difference too. Grated I couldn't tell the difference between 96 and 192 kHz!