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PS3 apparently immune to over-heating

PS3 apparently immune to over-heating

The PS3 apparently ran for more than 108 hours in a sauna without failing, proving excellent heat performance.

The Xbox 360? That thing has heating issues, big-time. The PlayStation 3 though? That thing is a monster of mega-cooling and we've never seen a complaint about it overheating since release, not once.

However, that isn't enough for some and fansite PS3 Fanboy has apparently proved the that Sony's latest console is nearly invulnerable to heating issues by subjecting it to some of the most extreme heating tests we've ever seen.

The first test was simple enough - running the PS3 in a normal living room. This produced nothing unusual, except a whirring disc drive after 12 hours of solid reading. The next two tests are where the extreme stuff starts - popping the PS3 in the back of a freezer van and inside a sauna.

In the freezer, where the temperature was -17°C, the PS3 gradually became more sluggish before blacking out completely. However, upon investigation it was discovered that the PS3 had only failed because condensation had made the power cord a bit too wet and the actual hardware was still running fine.

In the sauna, where the temperature was around 49°C, the PS3 performed amazingly - with only a slight burning smell coming from the device after a massive 64 hours. Apparently, the console was still running fine after a staggering 108 hours at temperatures approaching 50°C.

While it's obviously a bit extreme and it's definitely not suggested that the PS3 be run in any but the normal, intended conditions, it's still an impressive feat for any piece of hardware and Microsoft could doubtlessly do worse things than copy the PS3 approach to cooling. Its definitely a timely turn-around from previous complaints about the console.

Ever had a problem with your console over-heating? Drop us the details in the discussion thread.

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Hugo 14th August 2007, 14:06 Quote
Get the hell away from my console with that flamethrower!!!
Hugo.B 14th August 2007, 14:10 Quote
That's certainly impressive, considering a human probably couldn't stand 108hrs in a sauna...
completemadness 14th August 2007, 14:10 Quote
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However, upon investigation it was discovered that the PS3 had only failed because condensation had made the power cord a bit too wet and the actual hardware was still running fine.
Umm how the **** does that happen ?
The cable has 2 layers of insulation ..... (and if it did get condensation there would be a big bang aswell)

How can i get "too moist" ?????!?!?!?!
BioSniper 14th August 2007, 14:19 Quote
Only 50C? That's hardly hot now is it when you consider that Athlon XP's would frequently idle at that temperature.
They need to wrap it up in layers of towels and let it bake itself and see how long it lasts then.
-equilerex- 14th August 2007, 14:20 Quote
49C ? you call that a sauna?? you cant even get sweaty there. normal sauna is usually 80-100C... then again, the sauna would probably have burned down after 108h of that kind of heat

sony has done quite a good job tho.

@completemadness maybe its not the wires themself but the plug/connector or what ever you call it.
as for the sluggish performance, thats quite normal, my cellphone usually gets extremely sluggish when nowboarding with -17 to -35C although i think it might just be the screen itself:|
Vash-HT 14th August 2007, 14:28 Quote
It was probably in the end of the connector where it connects to the system, plus insert materials in cables usually has a hygroscopic rating to tell how much moisture it attracts from the air around it.
sandys 14th August 2007, 14:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by BioSniper
Only 50C? That's hardly hot now is it when you consider that Athlon XP's would frequently idle at that temperature.
They need to wrap it up in layers of towels and let it bake itself and see how long it lasts then.

:) 50oC was the ambient temp (the temperature of the air being blown onto the cooler) the Athlon XP would be way hotter than 50oC if the ambient was 50oC.

The PS3 is only air cooled, thats pretty good going, a lot of PCs wouldn't stand up to it.
E.E.L. Ambiense 14th August 2007, 14:56 Quote
I can personally attest to it's capability of whisking heat off. The thing gets hot! I'd say it was money well-spent on Sony's part for hiring those experts that designed the heat pipe system in the thing. It certainly exhausts toasty air, that's for sure. But that means the system is working correctly. I've let it fold for a couple days straight, not one hiccup.
DXR_13KE 14th August 2007, 14:57 Quote
[hint]M$ FOR THE SAKE OF F*** MODIFY YOUR XBOX360 COOLER NOW OR YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF THE GODS OF HARDWARE AND GAMING!!!![/hint]

PS3s cooling system is rather impressive.... the first time i saw it open i was all OMFG HUGE!!!!
E.E.L. Ambiense 14th August 2007, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
[hint]M$ FOR THE SAKE OF F*** MODIFY YOUR XBOX360 COOLER NOW OR YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF THE GODS OF HARDWARE AND GAMING!!!![/hint]

PS3s cooling system is rather impressive.... the first time i saw it open i was all OMFG HUGE!!!!

Definitely. It doesn't feel 'cheap' when you hold it. Not saying anything bad about the 360, but it feels 'light' compared to the ps3. Then again, makes it easier for LANs ;).
hnr2web 14th August 2007, 15:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by -equilerex-
49C ? you call that a sauna?? you cant even get sweaty there. normal sauna is usually 80-100C... then again, the sauna would probably have burned down after 108h of that kind of heat

sony has done quite a good job tho.

@completemadness maybe its not the wires themself but the plug/connector or what ever you call it.
as for the sluggish performance, thats quite normal, my cellphone usually gets extremely sluggish when snowboarding with -17 to -35C although i think it might just be the screen itself:|


( 49C ? you call that a sauna?? you cant even get sweaty there. normal sauna is usually 80-100C..!! ) D'uh...
You will get burned or even get into a boiled meat to get into a sauna with 80 - 100 Celsius temp. You mean 80-100 Fahrenheit ..!!
Primary School Dropout..!!
aggies11 14th August 2007, 15:18 Quote
No Air Conditioning in the house so on hot days (35C outside) my room gets up to 45C. The fans on the PC switch to full, but it seems to handle it OK.

I wouldn't call that "extreme" conditions, but it is definitely higher than average temps, heh.

Aggies
Renoir 14th August 2007, 15:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by hnr2web
Primary School Dropout..!!
LOL gonna have to use that one hnr2web with your permission of course :D
korhojoa 14th August 2007, 16:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by hnr2web
( 49C ? you call that a sauna?? you cant even get sweaty there. normal sauna is usually 80-100C..!! ) D'uh...
You will get burned or even get into a boiled meat to get into a sauna with 80 - 100 Celsius temp. You mean 80-100 Fahrenheit ..!!
Primary School Dropout..!!



Excuse me, what?
He seems to be from Estonia, and as he has the same kind of sauna habits as we Finns do, he isn't lying.
I go into a sauna that's at 80-100C. It's not that bad, because it's so dry. If you didn't understand how you can survive in a sauna without getting burned, maybe you should actually check for some facts before you go out saying stuff you have no clue about. Thank you.
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now: that ps3 is pretty impressive imo. 50 degrees celsius is about 25 degrees more celsius than the temperature that regular xboxses fail under, while idling/doing nothing.
so yeah. well done on that one, sony.
Phil Rhodes 14th August 2007, 16:11 Quote
Wikipedia:

Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity. The hottest Finnish saunas have relatively low humidity levels in which steam is generated by pouring water on the hot stones. This allows air temperatures that could boil water to be tolerated and even enjoyed for longer periods of time. Other types of sauna, such as the hammam, where the humidity approaches 100%, will be set to a much lower temperature of around 40 °C (104 °F) to compensate. The "wet heat" would cause scalding if the temperature were set much higher.

But it's worth bearing in mind that the humid air of a sauna is actually somewhat more conductive of heat than might be considered normal.
Bluephoenix 14th August 2007, 16:58 Quote
while it might be immune to overheating, my friend's had an interesting failure about 2 weeks after it launched.

we heard a high-pitched whine, and then a bang. when we looked at the console, the radial fan had shed all of it's fins through the back of the case (through the aluminum heatsink) and the fins then lodged themselves in the drywall behind it.

claymore V2.0 = PS3 :)
Nikumba 14th August 2007, 18:19 Quote
Surely the colder a PS3 gets the faster it should go?
DXR_13KE 14th August 2007, 19:01 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
while it might be immune to overheating, my friend's had an interesting failure about 2 weeks after it launched.

we heard a high-pitched whine, and then a bang. when we looked at the console, the radial fan had shed all of it's fins through the back of the case (through the aluminum heatsink) and the fins then lodged themselves in the drywall behind it.

claymore V2.0 = PS3 :)

LOLOLOLOL EPIC!!!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikumba
Surely the colder a PS3 gets the faster it should go?

depends..... if something is made to run at a certain range of temperatures it will not run that great outside that range....
zoom314 14th August 2007, 19:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by completemadness
Quote:
However, upon investigation it was discovered that the PS3 had only failed because condensation had made the power cord a bit too wet and the actual hardware was still running fine.
Umm how the **** does that happen ?
The cable has 2 layers of insulation ..... (and if it did get condensation there would be a big bang as well)

How can i get "too moist" ?????!?!?!?!

Sony did their homework and passed the course, While Microsoft failed the course as MS didn't do the homework MS needed to do.
devdevil85 14th August 2007, 20:37 Quote
Finally something positive for the PS3.......

I want to see competition!

The 360 has the software, while the PS3 has the hardware.....now let's hope both consoles get the best of both worlds because we, the consumers, will win.
The_Beast 14th August 2007, 23:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
while it might be immune to overheating, my friend's had an interesting failure about 2 weeks after it launched.

we heard a high-pitched whine, and then a bang. when we looked at the console, the radial fan had shed all of it's fins through the back of the case (through the aluminum heatsink) and the fins then lodged themselves in the drywall behind it.

claymore V2.0 = PS3 :)


I'm glad that nobody was hurt, that is pretty funny


PS3 = my next console gaming system (once the prices go down)
lamboman 15th August 2007, 00:17 Quote
108 hours and it didn't break a sweat.
Oh god, that sounded stupid.
Bluephoenix 15th August 2007, 01:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
I'm glad that nobody was hurt, that is pretty funny


PS3 = my next console gaming system (once the prices go down)

my friend didn't think it was at first, but I helped him see the funny side of things. Sony also express-shipped him a new console free of charge. (with a replacement HDMI cable for the one that the fan blades shredded)
E.E.L. Ambiense 15th August 2007, 02:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
my friend didn't think it was at first, but I helped him see the funny side of things. Sony also express-shipped him a new console free of charge. (with a replacement HDMI cable for the one that the fan blades shredded)

That's the least they could do. Wow. That's insane!
DXR_13KE 15th August 2007, 14:08 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
my friend didn't think it was at first, but I helped him see the funny side of things. Sony also express-shipped him a new console free of charge. (with a replacement HDMI cable for the one that the fan blades shredded)

with a note not to talk about the "incident" to anyone?:D
Bauul 15th August 2007, 14:35 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by -equilerex-
49C ? you call that a sauna?? you cant even get sweaty there. normal sauna is usually 80-100C... then again, the sauna would probably have burned down after 108h of that kind of heat

sony has done quite a good job tho.

@completemadness maybe its not the wires themself but the plug/connector or what ever you call it.
as for the sluggish performance, thats quite normal, my cellphone usually gets extremely sluggish when nowboarding with -17 to -35C although i think it might just be the screen itself:|


If the air was moist enough to kill the power cable, a 100 degree sauna would kill you, the air itself would be boiling, it'd be like pouring a boiling kettle over yourself. You're thinking of a dry sauna, where 100 degrees isn't unusual. For really humid ones, about 40 degrees is normal, so 49 degrees is quite a hot sauna!
Mr.Sadistic 15th August 2007, 21:22 Quote
This is actually pretty impressive.
I work for one of the big Silicon Valley companies as a hardware engineer. I often times do a lot of EDVT (electrical device validation testing) on our hardware.

As an industry standard our products must pass the EDVT testing which involves having the device pass 4 different tests while under full load. The 4 tests (we call them corners) are:
High Voltage - High Temp
Low Voltage - High Temp
High Voltage - Low Temp
Low Voltage - Low Temp

High Temp = usually 55C sometimes 60C
Low Temp = usually -5C sometimes -10C

To pass the spec, the device must run 12 hours at each of the 4 corners. It sounds like the PS3 exceeds this standard based on the length of time they ran the tests, at least the temperature test, I doubt the voltage was margined.

So as far as industry standards are concerned, passing the testing the PS3 underwent is great....to bad the 360 can't do the same.

On a side note...NOTHING is "immune" to overheating. Give me the PS3 and I guarantee I can make it overheat!
Lucidity 16th August 2007, 15:50 Quote
Personally I don't trust tests done by fanboys. I don't know how many of you have a PS3, but they get hot and loud. In fact the heat that the PS3 pumps out is far greater than that of my launch day 360 that is still alive and kicking, and has yet to overheat. It is amazing how hot the PS3 will get just when playing a Blu-Ray disc, about 30 minutes into the movie the fan will go to high. Not good if you watch a movie like Momento and all you hear is that whirling while the character is talking to himself. I really do have trouble believing this, simply because I own one and know the kind of heat that comes from that black George Foreman grill.
sandys 16th August 2007, 15:59 Quote
Pumping out heat is what its supposed to do, if your cooler is not pushing heat away from the heat source its not working, my PS3 and 360 pump out similar levels of heat, when you bear in mind that one has a 380w PSU inside it the other has a huge external brick which serves as a great foot warmer its pretty good going, at the fastest fan speed my PS3 can't be heard when the TV is set at 8, I can't silence the Xbox until 25 which means I can't really play it late at night due to the bass of booming :( Its not that one its a that much quieter the both make noise its more the pitch of the noise thats the problem with the 360 being high pitched.
rollo 5th June 2009, 19:52 Quote
think im now on my 6th 360 ( i wont buy a new ms console, just not worth the hassle tbh, till i have confirmation it doesnt break i wont buy any new console they make)

my orginal xbox didnt have any of these issues. Still have that and it still works perfectly

first playstation still works perfectly
first playstation 2 still works perfectly
first ps3 never had 1 issue ( sony make some dam games lol)
gavomatic57 7th June 2009, 16:59 Quote
I don't understand this whole "ps3 doesn't have any games" issue - most of the good games are out on both formats - it's only the 1st party games that aren't. Hide&Seek of War 1 & 2 and Forza 2 were so mind-bendingly average it contributed to me wanting to sell my 360. On the other hand, MGS4, Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance 1 & 2, Motorstorm etc are games worth bragging about.
thehippoz 7th June 2009, 17:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucidity
Personally I don't trust tests done by fanboys. I don't know how many of you have a PS3, but they get hot and loud. In fact the heat that the PS3 pumps out is far greater than that of my launch day 360 that is still alive and kicking, and has yet to overheat. It is amazing how hot the PS3 will get just when playing a Blu-Ray disc, about 30 minutes into the movie the fan will go to high. Not good if you watch a movie like Momento and all you hear is that whirling while the character is talking to himself. I really do have trouble believing this, simply because I own one and know the kind of heat that comes from that black George Foreman grill.

well that sucks.. it'd be nice if they upgraded the firmware for this problem- I mean the thing doesn't crash at 50C ambient it can probably take it
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