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Alienware Steam Machine not expected to sell well

Alienware Steam Machine not expected to sell well

The prototype for Alienware's Steam Machine was shown off at CES 2014 and is due for a September release.

Gaming PC brand Alienware is expecting its upcoming Steam Machine to be the least profitable system the company sells.

Alienware brand general manager Frank Azor told The Wall Street Journal that brand owner Dell is not confident that the product will perform well and that selling the device is going to be ‘very challenging’.

’This will absolutely be the least profitable system we ever sell,’ said Azor.

Despite this, Azor also stated that the company is hoping there is a number of PC gamers keen to play titles from their Steam libraries on sofas and in living rooms as opposed to at the traditional home office desk to still make the project worthwhile and that Alienware is still confident in Steam Machines as a concept.

Several hardware manufacturers are set to release Steam Machines during 2014. These will be a range of devices running SteamOS that are designed to help Valve’s digital distribution platform cater to alternative ways of playing PC games.

As well as Dell’s Alienware, other manufacturers include Falcon Northwest, CyberPowerPC, Origin PC, Gigabyte and Scan Computers. Several of the prototypes were shown off during 2014s CES show. Alienware’s device is expected to launch in September 2014.

Valve has been turning its attention towards different ways that PC gamers can engage with the platform for some time. Alongside SteamOS, it has been developing Big Picture mode, which allows the Steam library to take advantage of larger home entertainment systems, and a dedicated controller that improves the user experience away from the mouse and keyboard.

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fuus 21st May 2014, 11:57 Quote
Might it be that to be competitive they're selling these at a smaller margin than the rest of their range?

And am I right in thinking this box will be desktop components rather than Scan's petty attempt at a laptop without a screen?
rollo 21st May 2014, 12:00 Quote
Probably cost them more in R&D than they will make back, do not personally know anyone who wants a steam machine. Only reason to buy one is if you own a huge steam library already, most don't though. Personally also think its overpriced for what you get. The latest consoles are underpowered these steam machines are on average worse specs for similar or more money.

The high spec ones are all way to expensive.
ChaosDefinesOrder 21st May 2014, 12:03 Quote
I don't care about Steam Machines, I just REALLY want the Steam Controller to be released already :-(
matee 21st May 2014, 12:18 Quote
"This will absolutely be the least profitable system we ever sell" means their margins will be low
"Alienware Steam Machine not expected to sell well" means something else

if they confirm they will make little money on it - its good news to consumers
Dave Lister 21st May 2014, 12:22 Quote
Is Steam OS even useable yet ? I see updates to it about once a month but have no idea what they are ever talking about. I'd be happy to stick Steam OS on my HTPC to try it out, but have no idea if its still a mess or not.
Cei 21st May 2014, 13:26 Quote
I've always been wondering who exactly is going to go and buy a Steambox? Existing PC gamers can just use their current rig, and there can't be a huge market of people who want to drop another £350-400 on something that can just about run games on low/medium settings, especially as not all PC games are going to be ported for Linux.

I think the whole concept is going to flop, except they might sell lots of controllers.
Guinevere 21st May 2014, 13:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by matee
if they confirm they will make little money on it - its good news to consumers

True costs are:

Time speaking to Valve + Time working on prototypes + Tooling for production + Production + Distribution + Marketing

My guess is they'll not make a profit in total, but they won't be selling the actual units at a loss. Well not unless they decide they're binning it and sell off stock in a massive fire-sale.
pbryanw 21st May 2014, 16:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
I've always been wondering who exactly is going to go and buy a Steambox? Existing PC gamers can just use their current rig, and there can't be a huge market of people who want to drop another £350-400 on something that can just about run games on low/medium settings, especially as not all PC games are going to be ported for Linux.
I'm hoping that a range of low cost streaming boxes will appear soon after the main boxes have launched. That's all I'm interested in - streaming games from my main PC to a Steam streaming box. It's also what I think is the best feature of Steam OS.
Corky42 21st May 2014, 17:00 Quote
^This^

The Alienware Steam Machine was one of those designs that made me question why they bothered, IIRC it's not user upgradable so negating one of the benefits of buying a Steam Machine, the one of a higher initial outlay for the ability to upgrade the hardware over time.

The idea of Steam Machines is to give people who CBA to run a desktop PC the ability to play PC games on the big screen, without having to worry about the faff of a desktop, the drivers, updates, crashes, knowing what hardware is in it, etc, etc.
MrJay 21st May 2014, 18:03 Quote
I'm sort of thinking of it as a 'bridge' device for those who are looking to migrate from console to PC or visa versa.

In the same way you have a bridge camera in between your SLR and compact.

Anything that promotes the migration of PC games to other operating systems gets a big thumbs up for me. I do however think the real value in this is going to be low cost 720p capable units that compete price wise with the current generation of consoles.

Cheaper hardware, similar performance, much cheaper games that come in a wider variety of genres.

Its early days but it could be a winner!
XXAOSICXX 21st May 2014, 19:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrJay
I'm sort of thinking of it as a 'bridge' device for those who are looking to migrate from console to PC or visa versa.

In the same way you have a bridge camera in between your SLR and compact.

Anything that promotes the migration of PC games to other operating systems gets a big thumbs up for me. I do however think the real value in this is going to be low cost 720p capable units that compete price wise with the current generation of consoles.

Cheaper hardware, similar performance, much cheaper games that come in a wider variety of genres.

Its early days but it could be a winner!

No console gamer is going to move over to PC via a Steam machine when they could simply move over to PC and be done with it in the first place. Why would ANYONE fork out hundreds of pounds for a "PC" that only plays a fraction of the games available on the Steam library - and, importantly - far fewer games than the platform they're currently on, with none of the "exclusives" they're used to seeing on their chosen device.

I really fail to see the market for this product. At least with your example of bridging devices (cameras) you could get an intermediary camera but still take all the photos you wanted...as many as you like, of whatever you like!

Whoever said it earlier had it right. As a streaming device and a controller - for a couple of hundred quid - let's face it, we'd probably ALL buy one. Valve are way off the mark this time.
XXAOSICXX 21st May 2014, 19:51 Quote
Guinevere 21st May 2014, 20:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by MrJay
Its early days but it could be a winner!

Nope. There just aren't the titles for it. Sure enough a lot of the indie devs are working on PC+Mac+Linux releases but nobody in their right mind will move to a platform that isn't get active development and offers nothing fresh or interesting over the alternatives.

You want a cheap gaming machine for the living room with loads of cheap games? PS3 or XBOX 360

Want a cutting edge gaming machine for the living room with a fair selection of new games and some good exclusives? XBone or PS4.

Want a no compromise gaming machine with loads of cheap games and a fair section of new games and some good exclusives? PC.

It just doesn't fit in.
At all.

Edit: Home streaming could make the difference. Although in my experience there's still a few issues.
IvanIvanovich 21st May 2014, 20:51 Quote
Steam OS is faced with the same problem as every other general linux distro... the market base is too small for most commercial software devs to bother with porting to... the userbase won't grow because there is too few available quality commercial software.

As far as the streaming thing goes... why buy a more expensive steam box? Seems unnecessary to me for what essentially amounts to a thin client. So far the announced prices on most steam boxes seems rather excessive and nearly on par with similar spec Windows options. Sure some of the cases may be more attractive on steam boxes versus more general pc models... but even still there should be a much larger discount for using a zero cost OS not a price premium for it's inclusion.
Corky42 21st May 2014, 21:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
No console gamer is going to move over to PC via a Steam machine when they could simply move over to PC and be done with it in the first place.
If you don't mind all the faff that goes with owning a PC then great, if like lots of console owners you got fed up with having to update drivers, update the OS, not knowing if game X will run on your hardware, not knowing what hardware is in your PC, trouble shooting crashes.
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
Why would ANYONE fork out hundreds of pounds for a "PC" that only plays a fraction of the games available on the Steam library - and, importantly - far fewer games than the platform they're currently on, with none of the "exclusives" they're used to seeing on their chosen device.
It maybe only a fraction of the games available on Steam as a whole, but that is growing day by day. So much so in fact that Linux Games on Steam (466) out number the amount of games available on both next gen consoles combined.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Nope. There just aren't the titles for it. Sure enough a lot of the indie devs are working on PC+Mac+Linux releases but nobody in their right mind will move to a platform that isn't get active development and offers nothing fresh or interesting over the alternatives.

Xbox One games list = 166, only 42 playable/released.

PS4 games list = 244, only 71 playable/released

Linux (AKA Steam OS) games list = 466 playable/released.

Including titles such as Dark Souls II, Batman: Arkham Origins, South Park: The Stick of Truth, Call of Duty: Ghosts, BioShock Infinite, Wolfenstein: The New Order. Some of these are also playable on other platforms, but IIRC Valve isn't into exclusives, its one of the reason they are making SteamOS, Machines, and the Controller. Because they see the way other platforms want to lock people into using only their stuff and believe it stifles innovation.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
You want a cheap gaming machine for the living room with loads of cheap games? PS3 or XBOX 360
Cheap compared to what ? PC games are on average £10 less.
Sure you cant get loads of games, if you don't mind leaving them behind when the new model comes out.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Want a cutting edge gaming machine for the living room with a fair selection of new games and some good exclusives? XBone or PS4.
Exclusives harm the gaming and console market (imho), why would i want to support people that demand i buy their hardware to play a game i like ?
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Want a no compromise gaming machine with loads of cheap games and a fair section of new games and some good exclusives? PC.
Unless that is you don't want to faff around with having to run a PC, it's one of the reasons people choose consoles in the first place. No hassle gaming, just switch on and play.
rollo 21st May 2014, 21:35 Quote
second hand xbox 360 and ps3 games are under £10 for the record in most uk game shops. Only newer titles are priced higher than £20.

Most new games are between £12 and £40 on pc. Even for an Indie title they can be expensive. PA was £40 on steam on its orginal launch for alpha or beta level access to it.

Never really saw price as the main reason not to buy or to buy. Alienwares steam pc was priced at above £800 last I checked.

For £800 its only about £200 short of Alienwares own gaming pcs. You can buy a Full desktop for sub £800 that will do alot better than 720p. Most of the Steam boxes are low spec and poorly priced. Using Laptop GPUs and Laptop CPUs.
XXAOSICXX 21st May 2014, 21:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
if like lots of console owners you got fed up with having to update drivers, update the OS, not knowing if game X will run on your hardware, not knowing what hardware is in your PC, trouble shooting crashes.

So a Steam Machine will run all future linux games with no driver updates, no OS updates, no crashes and no hardware updates? Woweeee! It's the future! Except..we know that's not true. It'll still need to update, it'll need new drivers.....and let's not pretend that the linux way is perfect, because it isn't. It's prone to problems like every other OS on the planet.

Also, at some point the Steambox owner IS going to have to review the spec of a game vs the spec of the hardware he or she purchased. One way or another, when it stops performing the way it once did out of the box - and it will - the owner is going to have to get their hands dirty. The same faff..just further down the line....or buy another one - at twice the price of the NEXT NEXT GEN console :/
Guinevere 21st May 2014, 23:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
PS4 games list = 244, only 71 playable/released

Linux (AKA Steam OS) games list = 466 playable/released.

Including titles such as Dark Souls II, Batman: Arkham Origins, South Park: The Stick of Truth, Call of Duty: Ghosts, BioShock Infinite, Wolfenstein: The New Order.

Are you sure they will all run on SteamOS? I checked and found this:

Dark Souls II? No
Batman? Yes
South Park? No
Call of Duty? No
Bioshock? Yes
Wolfenstein? No.

Of course this is just me browsing Steam and looking at those particular games. Am I missing a trick? Probably not seeing as you linked to the wiki page for games using steam authentication and not which of those games will run on Linux.

The Linux and Steamplay selection is varied but missing loads of popular titles. Most games that run on Linux will also run on OSX and trust me, hardly any of my collection (old and new) will run on my main computer which is a Mac. It wouldn't be better if I went SteamOS.

http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/

I'd love to be able to put SteamOS on my gaming rig. It's running win 7 and is only used for games. Maybe... just maybe I'd be willing to sacrifice non steam gaming for the privilege but I'd be insane to give up a massive percentage of my existing games and most of the new premium games coming out.
MrJay 21st May 2014, 23:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
No console gamer is going to move over to PC via a Steam machine when they could simply move over to PC and be done with it in the first place.

Because people are lazy and stupid that's why. Consoles are plug in and play. Personal computers are most defiantly not, they require some time and effort to keep running.

As for my analogy with the cameras I think it's spot on.

Console Gamers = Point and shoot cameras, only instant results will do, one button press one photograph.

Steam box owners = Bridge camera, more bells and whistles but still simple to operate with preset shooting options.

PC Gamers = SLR with a bag if lenses and filters, spends more time picking settings then they do actually taking photographs.

Most people want to sit down utter 'Xbox on' or whatever and be balls deep in the action within minutes, they don't want to **** about doing windows updates, virus scans and piss about with all of the settings.

Anything that gets people the games they want the fastest and most hassle free way will be able to sell that product.

Yes the library of games is small, but it's not going to be limited to source titles and Indy games forever.
Guinevere 22nd May 2014, 00:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
PC games are on average £10 less.

So?. I said a PS3/XBox 360 was ideal for someone wanting a relatively cheap living room gaming machine with a massive selection of great games at cheap prices.

Sure enough premium games are cheaper on the PC but then a PC makes a lousy living room gaming machine and a PC that can game at 720p/1080p is more expensive, louder, more time consuming and generally much more of a PITA than a console. Steam & Humble Bundles make PC gaming the cheapest way to get lots of great games, but if you don't want a PC in your lounge... you don't put a PC in your lounge.

Console gaming is generally either a 'family' thing or a 'young(ish) bloke' thing. SteamOS offers nothing to either of these demographics. Both are better served with either current or previous gen consoles or a full fat windows PC.

Quite a few will end up with both, knowing that there isn't the perfect machine out there to suit all needs.

I just don't see how a steam machine fits in. If someone gave me one today I'd take it and google how to put windows on it!
War-Rasta 22nd May 2014, 00:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
So a Steam Machine will run all future linux games with no driver updates, no OS updates, no crashes and no hardware updates? Woweeee! It's the future! Except..we know that's not true. It'll still need to update, it'll need new drivers.....and let's not pretend that the linux way is perfect, because it isn't. It's prone to problems like every other OS on the planet.

Also, at some point the Steambox owner IS going to have to review the spec of a game vs the spec of the hardware he or she purchased. One way or another, when it stops performing the way it once did out of the box - and it will - the owner is going to have to get their hands dirty. The same faff..just further down the line....or buy another one - at twice the price of the NEXT NEXT GEN console :/

Of course there will be driver updates and OS updates and whatnot, but it will be a lot easier to handle (like console updates) since you're not really dealing with the OS yourself. Steam Machines are supposed to work like consoles in that sense where you don't have to bother looking for drivers or any other updates yourself. Linux distros already kinda work like this in tha tyou get all your updates from one piece of software that does all the searching for you in the different repos you might have (kinda like the Android or iOS software updates from their respective stores).

It will definitely break at some point like you mentioned but even consoles break so I dont think this is going to be more an issue on steam machines than any other platform. The hardware upgrades will be an issue obviously since you can't expect to play whatever games come out in 2038 with the machine you bought on 2014 but at least users will have the option to upgrade themselves or buy a new one. I can even see a market for people to make money upgrading your steam machine for you if these things take off.
SexyHyde 22nd May 2014, 01:03 Quote
My PC makes a fabulous living room gaming PC super long HDMI and XBOX360 pads, push the power button one the PC sit down, long home button push on controller opens up Steam "big picture" mode. I've got over 100 games on steam and a decent amount work on my ubuntu machine. It depends what new games Valve release and how the other distributers/developers take to it. As a new revenue stream it could take off for them, but they do have a history of cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Anfield 22nd May 2014, 01:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX

So a Steam Machine will run all future linux games with no driver updates, no OS updates, no crashes and no hardware updates? Woweeee! It's the future! Except..we know that's not true. It'll still need to update, it'll need new drivers.....and let's not pretend that the linux way is perfect, because it isn't. It's prone to problems like every other OS on the planet.

Compared to Windows it will still be less of a mess as there will be a far smaller selection of OS / Driver versions being used.
Guinevere 22nd May 2014, 01:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by War-Rasta
Of course there will be driver updates and OS updates and whatnot, but it will be a lot easier to handle (like console updates)

But that's how I've been managing my win7 machine for years. Let Windows install whatever damn updates it likes, GPU drivers and all. Windows does it's obligatory 'installing update 7 of 129' or whatever if it hasn't been on for a while but it's easy.... if you're patient. No significant difference to running a net connected console.

My 'PC' is 100% dedicated to games. Steam + Origin + standalone titles. Nothing else. I turn it on and it plays PC games. All of them.

So again I say a 'Steam Machine / PC running steam OS' isn't that much easier than a 'PC running Windows'.

It's a nice idea to ditch windows but having to ditch the bulk of your games catalogue to do it? Nah.
XXAOSICXX 22nd May 2014, 07:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
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Originally Posted by War-Rasta
Of course there will be driver updates and OS updates and whatnot, but it will be a lot easier to handle (like console updates)

But that's how I've been managing my win7 machine for years. Let Windows install whatever damn updates it likes, GPU drivers and all. Windows does it's obligatory 'installing update 7 of 129' or whatever if it hasn't been on for a while but it's easy.... if you're patient. No significant difference to running a net connected console.

My 'PC' is 100% dedicated to games. Steam + Origin + standalone titles. Nothing else. I turn it on and it plays PC games. All of them.

So again I say a 'Steam Machine / PC running steam OS' isn't that much easier than a 'PC running Windows'.

It's a nice idea to ditch windows but having to ditch the bulk of your games catalogue to do it? Nah.

Exactly.
Corky42 22nd May 2014, 09:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
second hand xbox 360 and ps3 games are under £10 for the record in most uk game shops. Only newer titles are priced higher than £20.
And in Steam sales games can be had for as little as 99p, ones that you don't have to either throw away or sell for one fifth the price when new hardware comes out.
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Originally Posted by rollo
For £800 its only about £200 short of Alienwares own gaming pcs. You can buy a Full desktop for sub £800 that will do alot better than 720p. Most of the Steam boxes are low spec and poorly priced. Using Laptop GPUs and Laptop CPUs.
The Alienware SM was probably one of the worst examples, not being user upgradable.
The Steam Machines unveiled at CES back in January are underspecified and over priced, that they are going to stick to the same price and specs announced 9 months ago does surprise me.
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
So a Steam Machine will run all future linux games with no driver updates, no OS updates, no crashes and no hardware updates? Woweeee! It's the future! Except..we know that's not true. It'll still need to update, it'll need new drivers.....and let's not pretend that the linux way is perfect, because it isn't. It's prone to problems like every other OS on the planet.
If you mean updates in the same way that consoles update, then sure it will still need updates. If you mean not having to spend hours trawling through manufactures web sites trying to find drivers for hardware you didn't even know you had, then no. The Steam Machines will be updated in the same way consoles are, with minimum user intervention.
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
Also, at some point the Steambox owner IS going to have to review the spec of a game vs the spec of the hardware he or she purchased. One way or another, when it stops performing the way it once did out of the box - and it will - the owner is going to have to get their hands dirty. The same faff..just further down the line....or buy another one - at twice the price of the NEXT NEXT GEN console :/
You are basing that opinion on a yet to be released hardware platform, and an OS that is still in beta. Valve have already said they would like to use good, better, best, as a way to differentiate what each machine is capable of doing.

They have also said that as the Steam Machines are an open hardware platform, that the user is free to do what ever they like when it comes to hardware, if the user feels comfortable installing a new graphics card fine, if they don't want to faff around with all that send it back to who you bought it from and they will update it for you.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Are you sure they will all run on SteamOS? I checked and found this:
Sorry my mistake i was in a rush when i posted that last night
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
So?. I said a PS3/XBox 360 was ideal for someone wanting a relatively cheap living room gaming machine with a massive selection of great games at cheap prices.

Sure enough premium games are cheaper on the PC but then a PC makes a lousy living room gaming machine and a PC that can game at 720p/1080p is more expensive, louder, more time consuming and generally much more of a PITA than a console. Steam & Humble Bundles make PC gaming the cheapest way to get lots of great games, but if you don't want a PC in your lounge... you don't put a PC in your lounge.

Console gaming is generally either a 'family' thing or a 'young(ish) bloke' thing. SteamOS offers nothing to either of these demographics. Both are better served with either current or previous gen consoles or a full fat windows PC.

Quite a few will end up with both, knowing that there isn't the perfect machine out there to suit all needs.

I just don't see how a steam machine fits in. If someone gave me one today I'd take it and google how to put windows on it!
You have answered your own question, when you correctly pointed out that...

"PC makes a lousy living room gaming machine and a PC that can game at 720p/1080p is more expensive, louder, more time consuming and generally much more of a PITA than a console."

This is the reason for the Steam Machines, to bring the consoles ease of use, no fuss gaming to a group of people that probably abandoned PC gaming because it was to much hassle.
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
So again I say a 'Steam Machine / PC running steam OS' isn't that much easier than a 'PC running Windows'.

It's a nice idea to ditch windows but having to ditch the bulk of your games catalogue to do it? Nah.
For someone who has a modicum of PC knowledge, or is happy to run Windows, there is no need to own a Steam Machine. But then again it's not intended for that, it's intended for the group of people who abandoned PC gaming years ago because consoles are just easier.
blacko 22nd May 2014, 10:18 Quote
i must admit i think scan have hit the nail on the head with using laptop components. Only issue i have with it is the case design. It wouldn't look right in the living room.
rollo 22nd May 2014, 11:53 Quote
Well this article is about Alienware corky not another one. The scan one was just as expensive using worse parts for the record.

Think most people here want it to succeed to they can migrate to Linux using steam OS. Need the big multiplayer titles to follow to attract most. World of Warcraft, league of legends, the battlefield games been the 3 biggest player base wise.

Will DOTA 2 even work ?
loftie 22nd May 2014, 11:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Well this article is about Alienware corky not another one. The scan one was just as expensive using worse parts for the record.

Think most people here want it to succeed to they can migrate to Linux using steam OS. Need the big multiplayer titles to follow to attract most. World of Warcraft, league of legends, the battlefield games been the 3 biggest player base wise.

Will DOTA 2 even work ?

Get LoL on a steam machine in the living room and I reckon we'll see so many controllers/remotes thrown at the TV that it'll dwarf the amount when the Wii was introduced.
Guinevere 22nd May 2014, 15:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
For someone who has a modicum of PC knowledge, or is happy to run Windows, there is no need to own a Steam Machine. But then again it's not intended for that, it's intended for the group of people who abandoned PC gaming years ago because consoles are just easier.

But I don't think a steam machine fits that demographic. It's an amazing idea. I love the idea of it. But you'd be bonkers to buy a steam machine over a PC or ANY console.

Q: So it plays games from steam?
A: Oh yes. There's lots and lots of titles you can play.

Q: So it'll play PC quality games but without the hassle of a windows PC?
A: Oh yes, that's what it's good at.

Q: Will it play all of the games on team?
A: Erm... some of them.

Q: What about the big new titles? It'll play those right?
A: Erm...

Q: Okay. How many of the top ten steam games will it actually play?
A: One.. but technically that's early access only so in pre-beta.

Q: But it'll play every Valve game right?
A: Well not every Valve game...

Q: WTF?
hyperion 22nd May 2014, 15:48 Quote
It would be pretty cool imo if someone managed to hack the ps4 to install steamOS, kinda like the the otherOS feature the ps3 launched with.
Corky42 22nd May 2014, 16:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
But I don't think a steam machine fits that demographic. It's an amazing idea. I love the idea of it. But you'd be bonkers to buy a steam machine over a PC or ANY console.
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Seeing as we are talking about an OS that is still in beta, i think it's safe to say more 'big games' will be coming down the line, CryEngine have said it is going to support Linux.
I'm not going to assume what you, or anyone would class as a 'big game' but the SteamDB has a full list of Linux games, so maybe there is something to tickle your fancy.
rollo 22nd May 2014, 17:25 Quote
All mac games are basically all Linux games. Of the biggest titles out there's some but not all. Cryengine supporting Linux is a lot different from games supporting it.

EA who basically own Cryengine have little reason to help valve get games working under steam OS or linux for that matter.

Biggest titles id imagine would be crysis series, call of duty series, Watchdogs when it launches. Civilisation series was ported to mac so it has some Linux code there.

The steam db list is heavy on indie dev games but little outside of your big publishers.

2 things young people play call of duty, FIFA these 2 will be the biggest wins if valve can get them as they would have a system that people would be intrested in.

Does anyone intend to buy a steam box who's commenting here. Of the 2 I've seen alienwares is very expensive for what you get and scans is no better. Both are double the cost of the ps4 for example. Parents who buy for the young will take the cheaper popular option which is the ps4 or Xbox.

Leaves it with a very small target market at current prices for the 2 most branded ones. Razor has one as well but that's 3-4 times the cost of a ps4.
BLC 22nd May 2014, 18:29 Quote
Frankly I think Valve bungled this whole Steam Machine thing. They should have stuck to the "good better best" spec brackets (perhaps one more for streaming client only), rated as many titles as possible in their catalogue according to those brackets, and then put out their own hardware for each of those categories. That way at least ODMs/OEMs would have had a target spec to shoot for and some sort of loosely defined guidelines to work within. Leaving them up to their own machinations has led to the mess we have now: how the hell is the average consumer supposed to know why a Steam Machine from Alienware might be better or worse than the one from Scan?

Perhaps Valve are still planning to release their own hardware (pretty sure GabeN mentioned that to press in the past) and they might wrangle some sense out of this whole thing.

Also: just because you're buying a "Steam Machine" with SteamOS pre-loaded there's nothing to stop you from wiping the hard drive and installing Windows to get maximum game compatibility. Let's be honest, DirectX isn't going anywhere for a while so long as Microsoft keep using it for their consoles; it'll take a lot of convincing to get the really big publishers to support OpenGL for PC versions just to satisfy Valve's desire to move away from Windows.
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Originally Posted by rollo
Does anyone intend to buy a steam box who's commenting here.

I already have one. Technically... My previous gaming PC is sat in the lounge on gaming duty, and it can just about handle most games I play in 1080P (albeit with some of the pretty turned down a bit).
Corky42 22nd May 2014, 19:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Does anyone intend to buy a steam box who's commenting here. Of the 2 I've seen alienwares is very expensive for what you get and scans is no better. Both are double the cost of the ps4 for example. Parents who buy for the young will take the cheaper popular option which is the ps4 or Xbox.

As i said before we are not the target market, if you can build your own PC, check for malware/virus, know what driver to install from a manufactures website, then the Steam Machines are not for you.

I would guess most Bit-Tech forum members would only need the controller, maybe the box to receive the stream from their main rig, Steam Machines are (imo) for people that gave up on PC gaming because it's to much hassle.
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Originally Posted by BLC
Frankly I think Valve bungled this whole Steam Machine thing. They should have stuck to the "good better best" spec brackets (perhaps one more for streaming client only), rated as many titles as possible in their catalogue according to those brackets, and then put out their own hardware for each of those categories.
I agree. I think Valve, or the OEM's shouldn't have shown of their Steam Machines until SteamOS was out of beta, when ever that is going to be. A lot can happen between now and then, like Valve including a way for OEM's or end users to check their system in a similar fashion to the Windows Experience Index.
Anfield 22nd May 2014, 21:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Does anyone intend to buy a steam box who's commenting here.

Not me, I do plan to use the streaming option though so I can move the big and noisy gaming pc to another room.
Star*Dagger 24th May 2014, 02:17 Quote
This is an investment to achieve the goal of destroying the Microsoft hegemony.

I look forward to that Day of Liberation for gamers, and humanity as a whole.

Yours in Falcon-sight Plasma,
Star*Dagger
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