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Xbox One will work without Kinect

Xbox One will work without Kinect

The Kinect bundled with the Xbox One will apparently be a significant upgrade to the model available for the Xbox 360.

Microsoft has stated that the Xbox One will work without the Kinect plugged in.

Previously, the company had said that the console would require the motion sensor and voice recognition hardware that will be bundled with the machine to be plugged in at all times.

The decision to change this was taken after several people had expressed concern over this feature, being uncomfortable with the idea that the Xbox One would always be watching and listening to them, even if the Kinect was not being used.

'The thing we all understood and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100 percent comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged,' Microsoft senior executive Albert Penello wrote on NeoGAF.

As well as functioning without the Kinect plugged in, the device's features can also be completely turned off in the Xbox One's settings which would also stop the sensor from collecting any data.

Microsoft is still working hard to promote the updated Kinect module and still insists that it is a better way to navigate the interface of the console.

'It makes gaming better in many ways, from the ability to say "Xbox On" and get right to your personalised home screen to the ability to control your TV through voice, Smartglass and more,' Xbox One chief product officer Marc Whitten told IGN.

Despite the move to decouple the Kinect from the Xbox One's functionality, it still appears that the device will be bundled with the console, something which undoubtedly pushes the Xbox One's price point up to its £429 mark.

Microsoft has also changed its mind about how the Xbox One deals with used games and sharing titles between friends after receiving a massive amount of fan backlash from its E3 reveal.

Previously using a DRM system to keep track of what games you owned but also allowing you to play those games without the disc in the tray, the company decided to switch back to a more traditional system allowing for straight forward sharing and trading of games.

The Xbox One is expected to hit UK stores at the end of November.

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CrazyJoe 13th August 2013, 08:26 Quote
They must be worried about pre-order numbers to make yet another u-turn.
Snips 13th August 2013, 08:35 Quote
No, they've listened to feedback as the article says.
CrazyJoe 13th August 2013, 08:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
No, they've listened to feedback as the article says.

Sounds legit.
Harlequin 13th August 2013, 08:46 Quote
read elsewhere a number of child protection concerns in the EU have been raised - along the lines of ` so this device can record a 10 year old girl getting changed in her bedroom then`.
Snips 13th August 2013, 08:48 Quote
Again, they've listened to feedback as the article says.
Griffter 13th August 2013, 09:02 Quote
"several people had expressed concern..." hahahahahahahahahahha good one to start the day off with!
edzieba 13th August 2013, 10:14 Quote
'Feedback' in this case, being the fiscal sort.
Elton 13th August 2013, 10:17 Quote
It's interesting that their strategy now seems to revolve around making awful and terrible PR and then later redacting and rectifying it.

Not the best approach but apparently people are still pre-ordering these boxes.
SchizoFrog 13th August 2013, 10:34 Quote
Don't be so cynical about these reports. The average person who is likely to buy this console and make up the vast majority of the XBox One's market is not a serious gamer. They don't follow these websites and don't even see these stories/articles, let alone read them. For them it will all come down to the BIG marketing schemes Sony and MS use around launch time. They will buy the console and subsequently the games that they see advertised on TV and in their favourite (non-gaming) magazines.

Maybe Sony are also making plenty of changes but are deciding to do their laundry behind closed doors rather than in public like MS.

Anyway, my money is staying firmly in my pocket until I see a reason to spend it and that reason will be based on the unit's features and games... not media or marketing hype or bullshit.
Elton 13th August 2013, 11:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
Don't be so cynical about these reports. The average person who is likely to buy this console and make up the vast majority of the XBox One's market is not a serious gamer. They don't follow these websites and don't even see these stories/articles, let alone read them. For them it will all come down to the BIG marketing schemes Sony and MS use around launch time. They will buy the console and subsequently the games that they see advertised on TV and in their favourite (non-gaming) magazines.

Maybe Sony are also making plenty of changes but are deciding to do their laundry behind closed doors rather than in public like MS.

Anyway, my money is staying firmly in my pocket until I see a reason to spend it and that reason will be based on the unit's features and games... not media or marketing hype or bullshit.

Knowing my timeframe and schedule. I wouldn't have enough time as it is.
Woollster00 13th August 2013, 11:35 Quote
Lol another day another U Turn for Microflop can't believe how bad they screwed up this console launch they don't have a hope in hell coming out on top by the end of Q4 this year.
lacuna 13th August 2013, 12:21 Quote
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'It makes gaming better in many ways, from the ability to say "Xbox On" and get right to your personalised home screen to the ability to control your TV through voice, Smartglass and more,'

That is how sci-fi films expected we would want to interact with technology but its actually really awkward and unnatural. Using a physical controller feels much more comfortable, in my opinion anyway.
fix-the-spade 13th August 2013, 12:27 Quote
This is the precursor to a Kinect free version of the hardware selling for $400 or $350. Microsoft are reportedly getting hammered by the pre-order numbers for Xbone (lack there of) and they're making moves to salvage the situation.
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That's what I expect to happen anyway.
Corky42 13th August 2013, 12:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Again, they've listened to feedback as the article says.

No where does the article mention listening to feedback, sure they say "we all understood" but no matter how many times i have read it i cant find "listened to feedback", care to point it out where it says that !

Are they real that out of touch with their customers that they have to do so many U-turns because of "features" people don't like ?
Nexxo 13th August 2013, 13:11 Quote
Microsoft is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. If it ignores user complaints, it is stubborn, arrogant, ignorant. If it listens to user complaints it is inconsistent, making u-turns, ignorant.

OK then, what would you like Microsoft to do? Get it perfect first time? Does Apple? Does Google? Does Sony?

I think consumers need to decide what sort of behaviour they want to reinforce in companies. I for one prefer one that listens to the users and changes things if necessary.
Platinum 13th August 2013, 13:11 Quote
The average gamer will buy this because they already have a 360 and dont want to chuck away 8 years of Gamerscore :)

Me ill buy what ever my mates get.
XXAOSICXX 13th August 2013, 13:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
Microsoft is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. If it ignores user complaints, it is stubborn, arrogant, ignorant. If it listens to user complaints it is inconsistent, making u-turns, ignorant.

OK then, what would you like Microsoft to do? Get it perfect first time? Does Apple? Does Google? Does Sony?

I think consumers need to decide what sort of behaviour they want to reinforce in companies. I for one prefer one that listens to the users and changes things if necessary.

QFT. +1
Corky42 13th August 2013, 13:37 Quote
I get the damned if they do, damned if they don't argument. But these things, DRM, peoples concerns about surveillance, etc, etc have been around for years, that they didn't research or think about these thing before the reveal begs the question why not.
Instagib 13th August 2013, 13:57 Quote
I think it's genius of Microsoft actually. They can test the waters with decisions which are maybe abit controversial, then leave themselves enough room to do a u-turn if needs be. In the mean time, we're all talking about Microsoft.
Harlequin 13th August 2013, 14:00 Quote
^^ its what facebook do - announce changes , wait for uproar then roll back 2/3rds of them - .... to then add them back in slowly.


latest changes to FB are an example of that - they announced similar a year or so back , sheeple outcry , yet now its in - nothing.
Gunsmith 13th August 2013, 14:16 Quote
are you people all ****ing stupid? this isnt testing the water strategy, this is out and out u turning due to consumer backlash

did you forget about Orth's "deal with" twitter tirade or matticks defending of their always online policies even telling consumers "tough **** get a 360 if you don't like our online policies"

I'm amazed people are even considering giving money to a company who thought it could get away with shitting in its consumers faces because of brand loyalty.
fix-the-spade 13th August 2013, 16:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith

did you forget about Orth's "deal with" twitter tirade or.
I feel terribly sorry for Adam Orth, a (semi)private sarcastic conversation gets him 'stepped down', then the real attitude of his paymasters turns out to be every bit as cartoonishly hostile as his joking with a friend portrayed, but he is still fired.

What a shitty way to lose your job.
Gunnzie 13th August 2013, 16:41 Quote
What chances of a cheaper console without kinect?
rollo 13th August 2013, 16:44 Quote
Depends if they want games to require kinect if they do no chance. if they dont then a cheaper console is maybe a possibility.

but it means devs will not program for it they will just do what they do with current xbox and ignore it.
Nexxo 13th August 2013, 19:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunsmith
are you people all ****ing stupid? this isnt testing the water strategy, this is out and out u turning due to consumer backlash

did you forget about Orth's "deal with" twitter tirade or matticks defending of their always online policies even telling consumers "tough **** get a 360 if you don't like our online policies"

I'm amazed people are even considering giving money to a company who thought it could get away with shitting in its consumers faces because of brand loyalty.

I think that you are overpersonalising this a bit. It seems to me that these decisions were made by engineers ("hey, this will allow us to do cool stuff") and suits ("hey, this will allow us to enforce DRM/make more money") without really considering how all these things will add up together and be experienced by the consumer. Stupid and short-sighted, yes. Dismissive of customers, no.

No company tries to piss off its customers, like no forum member person tries to piss off other forum members people. Sometimes they do, because they're being a bit stupid or stubborn or are seeing things only from their own point of view. Everybody makes mistakes and acts like a dick occasionally. The trick is to acknowledge it, make amends, learn from your mistakes and move on. But that's a trick that companies find as hard to master as people do.
Elton 13th August 2013, 20:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
I think that you are overpersonalising this a bit. It seems to me that these decisions were made by engineers ("hey, this will allow us to do cool stuff") and suits ("hey, this will allow us to enforce DRM/make more money") without really considering how all these things will add up together and be experienced by the consumer. Stupid and short-sighted, yes. Dismissive of customers, no.

No company tries to piss off its customers, like no forum member person tries to piss off other forum members people. Sometimes they do, because they're being a bit stupid or stubborn or are seeing things only from their own point of view. Everybody makes mistakes and acts like a dick occasionally. The trick is to acknowledge it, make amends, learn from your mistakes and move on. But that's a trick that companies find as hard to master as people do.

Although I know its an anecdotal account. Gaijin Entertainment (the developers of War Thunder) seems to actively ignore and then piss off all their customers.

Fascinating practice really.
Sloth 13th August 2013, 21:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
Microsoft is damned if it does, damned if it doesn't. If it ignores user complaints, it is stubborn, arrogant, ignorant. If it listens to user complaints it is inconsistent, making u-turns, ignorant.

OK then, what would you like Microsoft to do? Get it perfect first time? Does Apple? Does Google? Does Sony?

I think consumers need to decide what sort of behaviour they want to reinforce in companies. I for one prefer one that listens to the users and changes things if necessary.
I prefer one that listens on both sides of the reveal/release timeline.

These have not been small tweaks. The online check in and always-on Kinect were presented to us as key features to improve the console experience and as advantages over the PS4 [and WiiU]. Now they've both been removed or reworked. To further the issue, these along with the now-removed DRM are not new complaints. Even a cursory review of gaming and tech media will find the huge backlashes against always-on "features" and DRM such as the Ubisoft ordeal and data mining concerns with Facebook and Google applicable to always-on Kinect, not to mention the common sense "it's a camera in your living room". Having been so far off the mark they'd do well to eat a slice of humble pie and quietly work on a dazzling launch.
CrazyJoe 13th August 2013, 22:57 Quote
The rumours were going around for months about kinect and the console being "always on" as well as the possibility of used games.

They knew people hated it yet they announced it anyway to see if they could get away with it. I'm guessing the pre-order numbers showed that they didn't so they did a 180.

Even days before they changed things they were saying that there would be no changes and that "this is the future".

All companies will try to make as much money as they can and will only take a step back if it's hurting their profits. It's what they do and it's up to the people to vote with their wallets.

I am surprised that the pre-order numbers are low though as these things usually fly off the shelves regardless. Maybe the PS4 price and the **** state of the economy are bigger factors than I thought.
Niftyrat 14th August 2013, 13:15 Quote
Or most people are just waiting, I don't see the point of getting either console early when there will be few games and they will all be at a price I don't want to pay, whereas my 360 and ps3 both have large catalogs of games I have yet to play and are a more sensible price.
Snips 14th August 2013, 15:10 Quote
The decision to change this was taken after several people had expressed concern over this feature, being uncomfortable with the idea that the Xbox One would always be watching and listening to them, even if the Kinect was not being used.

'The thing we all understood and hence this change, is that there are some scenarios where people just may not be comfortable. We wanted people to be 100 percent comfortable, so we allow the sensor to be unplugged,' Microsoft senior executive Albert Penello wrote on NeoGAF.


I'd say that was them listening to feedback. Stalking me again? Some would say we are in love ;)
chrismarkham1982 15th August 2013, 13:18 Quote
I didnt get the arguments against it in the first place but then I am a pc gamer and have used to and love the fact that I can install games and then put the disc away and forget about it ( or just go the digital download route)

The used game ideas I admit was a big decision as was the once every 24 hours check, they were neccessary as part of the original plan though and while I was perfectly fine with it, a lot of people dont have solid connections and dont keep games once they've been through them so for them the back track was needed.
Ive pre-ordered mine and get it regardless and i've moved away from my pc now as I rarely use it these days and my self spending more time on my 360.

One thing that bothers me though, how many people complaining about the kinect have web cams hooked up to their pc's and switch on permanently?
Snips 16th August 2013, 16:28 Quote
Good question Chris and I think it's a valid question as most moaning about everything XboxOne have been doing the exact same thing on PC for quite some time.

Why it's any different when it becomes a console, I don't really know but some think it's the end of the world or something.
chrismarkham1982 26th August 2013, 02:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Good question Chris and I think it's a valid question as most moaning about everything XboxOne have been doing the exact same thing on PC for quite some time.

Why it's any different when it becomes a console, I don't really know but some think it's the end of the world or something.

Thats the exact reaction some are giving, kinect? camera...meh...microsoft made it....AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH INVASION OF MY PRIVACY....geeez grow up, get a life and stop watching eastenders is my answer.
Corky42 26th August 2013, 10:42 Quote
Its not just the Kinetic/Camera, the problem comes when that Kinetic/Camera is always on, always connected to one company.
Kinetic is worlds apart from a web cam on your average PC.

1. Most web cams cant identify one person from another
2. Most web cams cant see in the dark
3. Most web cams cant measure your heart rate
4. Most web cams cant read your facial expressions
5. Most web cams don't listen to everything people say
6. Most web cams don't know how many people are in the room
7. Most web cams are not constantly connected to the internet
8. Most web cams stop working when the PC is turned of
9. Most web cams wont stop you watching a film if you have to many people in the room
10. Most web cams cant tell if you visit a friends house
11. Most web cams wont target advertising according to who's in front of it
Nexxo 26th August 2013, 12:17 Quote
I would dispute points 1, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 10.

As long as the computer is switched on and hooked to the internet, a webcams hooked to it is eyes and ears into someone's room. Depending on the software used at the eavesdropper's end, it can do facial recognition, facial expression recognition, voice recognition etc. From there it is a small leap to targeted advertising, search profiling etc. If the eavesdropper is your ISP or the NSA, then it's one company, watching you, watching pr0n.

You forget that the Kinect is just a glorified webcam, microphone, IR and ultrasound sensor. It is the software behind it that does the magic stuff. Now place that software on a server somewhere, and give it access to a webcams with built-in mic and you're more than halfway there.
Corky42 26th August 2013, 12:42 Quote
I'm not that into knowing how people eavesdrop on internet traffic, so i have no idea to be honest how easy it would be.
But something to bear in mind is how so much has been said about Microsoft collaborating with the NSA, even if that is just the people in tin foil hats talking, and Microsoft denying it. As they say there's no smoke without fire

Doesn't having a large unified system mean it becomes a bigger target, much in the same way people think Windows is less secure than other OS's simple because its on more systems than other OS's, so becomes a bigger target.
Nexxo 26th August 2013, 12:52 Quote
All companies have been working with the NSA.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-4.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-5.jpg

Note the late addition of Apple. Jobs, for all his failings, has always vehemently resisted collaborating with government intelligence programmes. Tim Cook of course has fewer scruples.

I have always been preaching to people (as far back as 2003) that everything you post on the internet is effectively in the public domain. That means emails, messages, everything. There is no such thing as privacy. If you don't want strangers to know, don't put it on, or through, the internet.
Corky42 26th August 2013, 13:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nexxo
I have always been preaching to people (as far back as 2003) that everything you post on the internet is effectively in the public domain. That means emails, messages, everything. There is no such thing as privacy. If you don't want strangers to know, don't put it on, or through, the internet.

Very true, its just a shame more people don't know, or realise it. :(
chrismarkham1982 26th August 2013, 23:40 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
[I]There is no such thing as privacy. If you don't want strangers to know, don't put it on, or through, the internet.

very true, this is the other argument that makes people complaining about 'privacy' with the Kinect so laughable.
Corky42 27th August 2013, 07:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrismarkham1982
very true, this is the other argument that makes people complaining about 'privacy' with the Kinect so laughable.

The difference is choice, i choose if i want personal details about me on the internet.
With the Kinect you don't have that choice, as everything you do, or say is potentially being broadcast to the entire world.
chrismarkham1982 29th August 2013, 00:01 Quote
I highly doubt though that the Kinect is broadcasting your every move to entire world though, besides, its not mandatory.
Corky42 29th August 2013, 01:59 Quote
And that is why i said "potentially", How long do you think before people figure out how to hack it, or write malicious software to exploit it ?
Nexxo 29th August 2013, 08:15 Quote
Would save a lot of people having to Instagram their lives onto Facebook. Kinect will do it for them automatically. Technological progress! :D
Corky42 29th August 2013, 11:16 Quote
Also would make the NSA and GCHQ's job a lot easier if they had to raid a terrorists house :|
They could just contact Microsoft to find out if they have a Xbox, and then tap into the up stream feed, instant surveillance. Hell why bother contacting Microsoft, just scan the up stream for key words, just like they apparently do with e-mail, phones, etc, etc.
Nexxo 29th August 2013, 16:06 Quote
Imagine playing insurgents in Spec Ops and suddenly the door gets kicked in and soldiers storm in and start shooting for real.

"Wow, Kinect sure makes the gameplay feel really realistic" :p
Corky42 29th August 2013, 16:22 Quote
Just dont play as the enemy and start shouting about damn Americans :)
And if they perfect this....

re1EatGRV0w

You really wont know if the guy standing over there is actually telling you to get on the floor or if its just the game :D
Nexxo 29th August 2013, 19:29 Quote
"Hey, are we still in the game?" --Existenz
Corky42 4th September 2013, 10:35 Quote
Kinda linking in with the recent Nokia buy out, and WP stuff.
It would seem Microsoft is thinking of bringing Kinect to WP
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2292392/microsoft-hints-that-kinect-camera-technology-is-coming-to-windows-phone
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While all this sounds promising, Kinect integration could also be a bad thing for the Windows Phone ecosystem, with Microsoft having been accused of spying on its users with Kinect in the wake of recent NSA surveillance revelations.
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