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Xbox One 'may not work' in unsupported countries

Xbox One 'may not work' in unsupported countries

The Xbox One is launching in 21 countries.

Microsoft has seemingly confirmed that the Xbox One will not work if imported or taken to a country where the system isn't supported.

Although the company hasn't clarified exactly what aspects of the console will be region-locked, the company has all but confirmed that usage of the console in different countries will be very restricted.

In a statement to The Verge, Microsoft said:

"At this time, we have announced Xbox One will be available in 21 markets in November this year and additional markets later in 2014. Similar to the movie and music industry, games and other content must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale - which means that games will work in the broad geographic regions for which they have been cleared, much as today with Xbox 360. While the console itself is not geographically restricted, a user's Xbox Live account, content, apps and experiences are all tied to the country of billing and residence."

This statement followed a number of official Xbox Twitter responses that outlined a number of scenarios where the console won't work.

Responding to Twitter user Gregor Ivezic's (@gi4ouR) question "Xbox One will block activation of games if outside of the IP range of a supported country? What if i travel a lot?", the @XboxSupport2 account replied "You'll be able to play when you return home. I travel with an Xbox 360 for road gaming."

Another question came fro Robert Hallahan (@ill_cattivo): "But say someone from Poland, not listed, imports it from the UK. Will they be able to play disc-based games?"

In reply the account said "They would want to wait until the console is available in their region. "

Although it's not unprecedented for a console to be region-locked, it has previously been possible to get round these restrictions by importing compatible games. However, the nature of the way games are tied to users' Xbox Live accounts on the Xbox One could mean that even if users buy a console in a supported country, register an account there and buy games from there, IP restrictions could still prevent them from playing those games.

In contrast, the PlayStation 4 is region-free.

It's almost a case of 'what else is there to say?' with regard the Xbox One vs PS4. Microsoft clearly has a catalogue of issues it will need to deal with if it's to convince anyone but die-hard Xbox fans to buy its console over the PS4, at least for the first few months of its launch. The question is, will Microsoft respond?

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atc95 14th June 2013, 19:30 Quote
I will say it once and say it again: this is a ploy by Microsoft to increase windows 8 sales as people move to PC gaming.
Corky42 14th June 2013, 20:01 Quote
This wouldn't be so bad if they could get a Xbone in all regions this Christmas, But you have to wounder what this will do to sales if little johnny can only have a PS4 under the Christmas tree this year.

From my understanding the whole of Asia will be post Xmas 2013, Its almost like they want the Xbone to fail, what with no second hand games sales, having to check-in every 24Hrs, the free NSA CCTV in your living room, and the difference in price.

What a lot of negatives, (did i miss any?)
kingred 14th June 2013, 20:03 Quote
But microsoft, your Xdone demo units were Hp computers. Ahue
Fizzban 14th June 2013, 20:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
What a lot of negatives, (did i miss any?)

PS4 has a better graphics chip and its ram runs at a much higher frequency. Does that count?
SAimNE 14th June 2013, 20:04 Quote
i think they need to understand the point of advertisement... you show a lot of good, and some of the important bads.......... not 50 thousand bad things and 1 unimportant good thing(better browser).

seriously this is the worst advertising i have ever seen in my entire life :|
schmidtbag 14th June 2013, 20:50 Quote
Does PS4 have such regional restrictions? I heard that it will have a paid online service. If it isn't restricted, then MS is just coming up with fake excuses for being too lazy/cheap to set up servers in other countries to enforce their online-only requirement.
AlienwareAndy 14th June 2013, 21:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by atc95
I will say it once and say it again: this is a ploy by Microsoft to increase windows 8 sales as people move to PC gaming.

LOL where is the like button :D
phuzz 14th June 2013, 21:07 Quote
(GDDR5 has much higher latency than DDR3, so it's not a clear cut case of "more fast == better")
DragunovHUN 14th June 2013, 21:07 Quote
They can keep their games then, they'd probably force woeful localizations on them anyways.
schmidtbag 14th June 2013, 21:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by phuzz
(GDDR5 has much higher latency than DDR3, so it's not a clear cut case of "more fast == better")

That is very true, however, there's a few things to consider:
* The CPU and GPU share the same memory
* GPUs care more about higher frequencies than latencies
* Since the CPU and GPU are on 1 die, that's automatically less latency than a CPU on DDR3 and a discrete GPU on DDR5
* Consoles are focused more on parallel processing (graphics and physics) than other calculations. This gives the GPU the priority, therefore, DDR5 would offer the best overall performance.


Otherwise, I completely agree with you, and is one reason why I'm hesitant about the idea of getting a DDR4 based computer.
Phil Rhodes 14th June 2013, 21:42 Quote
Now, I'm not a console owner, so this is all hypothetical, but: if I emigrate, does this mean I lose my xbox live account?
flibblesan 14th June 2013, 21:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by kingred
But microsoft, your Xdone demo units were Hp computers. Ahue

Because the Xbox One hardware isn't actually finished yet and the Xbox One development units are just Windows-based PC?
faugusztin 14th June 2013, 22:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
Now, I'm not a console owner, so this is all hypothetical, but: if I emigrate, does this mean I lose my xbox live account?

No. You only won't be able to use it until MS starts selling XBOX One in your new country. Which could be late 2014 if you emigrate to Asia.
AiA 14th June 2013, 22:29 Quote
all these restrictions for what? did piracy almost bankrupt them or something


you might have to use vpn to get around some of the restrictions

i think i might just go play some cards (its region free and can be shared with friends but does need a constant light source to work (like a light bulb )
Corky42 15th June 2013, 10:44 Quote
Things go from bad to worse in Microsoft land....

http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/3/1/31073_06_if_your_xbox_one_gets_banned_you_lose_the_licenses_to_all_of_your_games_too.png

What if they make a mistake do you still lose all the games you bought ?
Is this even legal ?
Cthippo 15th June 2013, 12:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Is this even legal ?

I suspect until someone challenges it in court it is.

I'm kind of surprised some of these T&C issues haven't yet been the subject of litigation.
law99 15th June 2013, 13:01 Quote
Wow. The gloves are off now. What MS are saying is; if you don't live in a part of the world we trust, you don't matter to us. All you will do is pirate games.

The worst part is it probably won't make a difference to how well the console does. All the regions not affected won't care...
sniperdude 15th June 2013, 13:25 Quote
dipzy 15th June 2013, 13:33 Quote
^ These Support people are making me :)
Corky42 15th June 2013, 13:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
I suspect until someone challenges it in court it is.

I'm kind of surprised some of these T&C issues haven't yet been the subject of litigation.

Well that's the thing the TOU state "Xbox One's New Terms of Service Restricts Consumers from Class Action Lawsuits"
That's not saying anything has changed from the way it currently works with XBOX Live, and the PS4's TOU is exactly the same.

Although its uncertain yet if this and the prevention on selling second hand games violate EU laws.
John_T 15th June 2013, 14:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42

Well that's the thing the TOU state "Xbox One's New Terms of Service Restricts Consumers from Class Action Lawsuits"

I don't know how the law works in the rest of the world, but in the UK you can't sign away your statutory rights. There's even a specific law covering unfair contracts: 'The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999'. Just because a company puts a clause in a contract, it doesn't automatically mean that clause is legal or enforceable.

Not that class action lawsuits are popular over here anyway, but just saying...
rollo 15th June 2013, 14:17 Quote
Good luck enforcing this in eu, steam already failed to do so and had to edit its TOS.

Eu laws are alot harder to bypass than USA and others laws that's why most companies launching products here have different TOS compared to rest of the world.

I expected the ban thing since all your games are locked to Xbox live account they ban that account you lose your games. Steam did do a similar thing to account sellers.
sniperdude 15th June 2013, 14:24 Quote
LAW can't be overwritten by terms and conditions

if they clash the Terms and conditions are not worth the paper they're printed on.
konstantine 15th June 2013, 14:48 Quote
The truth is: any decent-minded with some sense of understanding of tech would avoid those crappy upcoming consoles. Even little kids are better off using PCs and doing more than just playing those mostly degenerate games and watching those degenerate movies shows.

Hardware wise, the new consoles are low end PCs. 8 Jaguar cores are still gonna be a lot slower than my core I5 750 @ 3.97GHz, and bottleneck the 7870 class GPU.

We need better visuals with intensive tessellation, and better mechanics instead of the current gen of physics engines with the same old primitive mechanics.

Heck, Battlefield 4 was such a disappointment. They're using the same crappy physics where moving the character feels like moving a robotic vehicle, and the visuals are really the same, with the same fogginess and blue/gray tint.
Corky42 15th June 2013, 16:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by konstantine
The truth is: any decent-minded with some sense of understanding of tech would avoid those crappy upcoming consoles.

But the sad thing is probably around 90% of people pay no attention to the technical details of the hardware they buy :'(
And even more people just skip the legal speak when signing on the dotted line....
CrazyJoe 15th June 2013, 16:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by konstantine
The truth is: any decent-minded with some sense of understanding of tech would avoid those crappy upcoming consoles.

I dunno, a computer the size of a pizza box that can play the the latest games for the next 5-7 years with no problems and costs £349, sounds like a great deal to me.
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Originally Posted by konstantine
We need better visuals with intensive tessellation, and better mechanics instead of the current gen of physics engines with the same old primitive mechanics.

Nah, those things are nice but nothing beats immersion and brings a game to life like a good story. I'd play Metal Gear Solid and the old Final Fantasies any time over the likes of the Crysis series.

There's no doubt fancy graphics look amazing, but a strong storyline beats it anyday for me.
Phil Rhodes 15th June 2013, 16:36 Quote
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8 Jaguar cores are still gonna be a lot slower than my core I5 750 @ 3.97GHz

I'm interested in this. I just specified a gaming PC for a friend of mine who wanted to spend about 500 quid, which is more than either of these new consoles will sell for. My advice at the time was that chasing the specs of the upcoming consoles was likely to get expensive, as to get even eight virtual cores he'd need an i7 and a very big graphics card worth £300 plus to match the integrated graphics.

Was I possibly a bit pessimistic?
CrazyJoe 15th June 2013, 17:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
I'm interested in this. I just specified a gaming PC for a friend of mine who wanted to spend about 500 quid, which is more than either of these new consoles will sell for. My advice at the time was that chasing the specs of the upcoming consoles was likely to get expensive, as to get even eight virtual cores he'd need an i7 and a very big graphics card worth £300 plus to match the integrated graphics.

Was I possibly a bit pessimistic?

It's not all about specs when it comes to consoles, look at the PS3/360 specs and you will be able to play BF4 on them.

The pros and cons of PC v consoles are wide and varied, some people will have more reasons to go for a console, some for PC.
SlowMotionSuicide 15th June 2013, 17:25 Quote
This just keeps getting better and better.

Do they hate money at Microsoft?
konstantine 15th June 2013, 17:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe
I dunno, a computer the size of a pizza box that can play the the latest games for the next 5-7 years with no problems and costs £349, sounds like a great deal to me.

You can buy an overall-faster HTPC box for less that today. Heck, I would sell you my whole rig, with the case for that much money. I've got 8GBs of RAM, a 6970 and a P55/I5 750 @ 4GHz build.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

Nah, those things are nice but nothing beats immersion and brings a game to life like a good story. I'd play Metal Gear Solid and the old Final Fantasies any time over the likes of the Crysis series.

No doubt! But immersion comes from realism. The ability to immerse into the virtual environment has mainly to do with being able to react the way you would in real life or in you fantasy world. The ability to jump in a certain way, or stab instead of swinging your sword in the same moronic pattern in every fight.
Not getting stuck by a 10cm high pavement or little things in Battlefield 3, for say, instead of stepping over them, or having to moonwalk sideways when under fire, instead of jumping sideways is pathetic mechanics.

Graphics add to the experience in the same way. Obviously we're drawn into realistic visuals. I wouldn't compare Davenci's, or Rafael's art, for example, to the degenerate art of this modern age.

The storylines are pathetic, mostly filled with cultural Marxism and degeneracy. The white Western morals of hardworking, seeking truth, being adventurous, and loving and protecting your people and nation is nowhere to be found in those modern games.
CrazyJoe 15th June 2013, 17:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by konstantine
You can buy an overall-faster HTPC box for less that today. Heck, I would sell you my whole rig, with the case for that much money. I've got 8GBs of RAM, a 6970 and a P55/I5 750 @ 4GHz build.

Are those brand new parts with full warranty? Can you guarantee that they will play new releases at "acceptable" framerates for the next 7 years?
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Originally Posted by konstantine

No doubt! But immersion comes from realism. The ability to immerse into the virtual environment has mainly to do with being able to react the way you would in real life or in you fantasy world. The ability to jump in a certain way, or stab instead of swinging your sword in the same moronic pattern in every fight.
Not getting stuck by a 10cm high pavement or little things in Battlefield 3, for say, instead of stepping over them, or having to moonwalk sideways when under fire, instead of jumping sideways is pathetic mechanics.

Graphics add to the experience in the same way. Obviously we're drawn into realistic visuals. I wouldn't compare Davenci's, or Rafael's art, for example, to the degenerate art of this modern age.

The storylines are pathetic, mostly filled with cultural Marxism and degeneracy. The white Western morals of hardworking, seeking truth, being adventurous, and loving and protecting your people and nation is nowhere to be found in those modern games.

There's no doubt that good graphics and realism add to a game, but they are now the standard when it comes to selling the games, who cares what the story is like as long as it looks amazing, it's just boring now.
konstantine 15th June 2013, 18:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe
Are those brand new parts with full warranty? Can you guarantee that they will play new releases at "acceptable" framerates for the next 7 years?

No, the computer is four-year old, and all the parts are out of Warranty. The point is, you can get better computers than those consoles, hardware wise, at the same price or even lower, and use them for both gaming and other purposes.
On the other hand, I've never had single blue screen in those four years or so with the rig. Actually, my two older PCs are still working fine, and those are 8 and 12 year old computers. A PC built of quality parts is more likely to last longer and perform more consistently than one of those consoles.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

There's no doubt that good graphics and realism add to a game, but they are now the standard when it comes to selling the games, who cares what the story is like as long as it looks amazing, it's just boring now.

Most games are console ports and look horrible. The so called PC games are just coded with scaling in mind, but still, not coded to put PC resources into efficient use.

Also, most PC games run on DX11's virtual runtime, where their execution on hardware is managed by a process that takes care of the actual execution on hardware including the final compilation to machine code.
This virtual runtime is not as efficient as it should be. And Microsoft isn't putting enough effort into improving it and further utilizing it for modern CPUs and GPUs.
I'm pretty sure that the DX11 runtime doesn't compile to AVX, AVX2 and FMA machine code that can up to quadruple execution speed of many workloads (ones that compile to 128/64 bit SSE code normally).

Overall, I don't see a bright future for PC gaming. Those games are getting worse both content and experience wise.
CrazyJoe 15th June 2013, 18:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by konstantine
No, the computer is four-year old, and all the parts are out of Warranty. The point is, you can get better computers than those consoles, hardware wise, at the same price or even lower, and use them for both gaming and other purposes.

I'm not disagreeing with that but will it be able to play a big new release in 2020 (BF7 or whatever)? I doubt it. The longevity of consoles compared to PC parts make them great value.
konstantine 15th June 2013, 18:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe

I'm not disagreeing with that but will it be able to play a big new release in 2020 (BF7 or whatever)? I doubt it. The longevity of consoles compared to PC parts make them great value.

If you lower the quality settings, most likely yes. Most PC games can scale up and down in quality.
My old Radeon 850XT can play Crysis 2 on low settings and output decently smooth frame rates.
faugusztin 15th June 2013, 20:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe
I'm not disagreeing with that but will it be able to play a big new release in 2020 (BF7 or whatever)? I doubt it. The longevity of consoles compared to PC parts make them great value.

At similar low details as XBOX will get in 2020 ? Sure, why not. And you are confusing longevity with stagnation - consoles stagnate the gaming market.
CrazyJoe 15th June 2013, 21:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
consoles stagnate the gaming market.

Nobody is saying they aren't. But I'm sure some people like knowing that they can drop £400 on a console and it will play everything that is thrown at it for the next 7 years.
mucgoo 15th June 2013, 21:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by konstantine
If you lower the quality settings, most likely yes. Most PC games can scale up and down in quality.
My old Radeon 850XT can play Crysis 2 on low settings and output decently smooth frame rates.

You'd need to be pairing it with a 2004 single core at 2ghz and a single GB of RAM if you were aiming to build a £500 PC at the time of the 360 release and still use it today. If that did run a few cross platform games it would be a much worse experience than a console.

You could also add a few hundred pounds to your budget over the next 7 years as well due to your "console" also being your desktop that you'd have regardless.
faugusztin 15th June 2013, 22:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by mucgoo
You'd need to be pairing it with a 2004 single core at 2ghz and a single GB of RAM if you were aiming to build a £500 PC at the time of the 360 release and still use it today. If that did run a few cross platform games it would be a much worse experience than a console.

Why would he pair it with 2004 single core, if he aims at performance similar to 2006 XBOX 360 ? A $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 would fit the time and money restrictions :).
mucgoo 15th June 2013, 22:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
Why would he pair it with 2004 single core, if he aims at performance similar to 2006 XBOX 360 ? A $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 would fit the time and money restrictions :).

THe 360 was a Q4 2005 release.
If you could predict the future you'd have been very well served by waiting half a year to get an affordable dual core but at that point only singles cores would of been in budget.
faugusztin 15th June 2013, 22:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by mucgoo
THe 360 was a Q4 2005 release.

Well sorry, it was November 2006 in my country. Stupidity of staged launch, which we will see with XBOX One and PS4 again.
Elton 15th June 2013, 23:32 Quote
Wat.

No literally, wat.
AlienwareAndy 16th June 2013, 00:21 Quote
This is so bad it's laughable.
Elton 16th June 2013, 00:31 Quote
At this point I'm very sure they're doing this for a reason. There's no way anyone digs that big of a hole.
AlienwareAndy 16th June 2013, 00:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton
At this point I'm very sure they're doing this for a reason. There's no way anyone digs that big of a hole.

That might be why they keep revising the 360 to make it smaller. That way you can carry it around with you :D :D
DC74 16th June 2013, 03:51 Quote
Sometimes I wonder if the U.S giants such as Intel, Microsoft and Apple are trying to commit suicide, they've all done extremely well at shooting themselves in the foot recently. Honestly who releases a console then proceeds to sabotage it in every single way? I can see Sony Burying Microsoft in the console business and their tombstone will be the new Xbox.

In Microsoft's case it's like the lunatics are running the asylum, first they release the abominable Windows 8 (shudders) then say they will rework it, but you still have to buy a start button, which has been the cornerstone of every windows OS since the start way back in the early 90's. Add to this the Xbox debacle that is continuing to unfold and makes me laugh more every single day. I think Bill Gates needs to come back and take charge of the helm as this company has really lost its way.

On Intel, well the new Haswell chips seem abound with stories of not performing as good as the sample chips they produced, chipsets and boards not ready or in short supply and extremely limited overclocking potential on the new chips. Another own goal by intel, have they learned nothing from the Sandybridge nightmare that engulfed its launch? clearly not.

And finally everyone's favourite Apple, who seem to be less about innovation and cutting edge designs these days and more about supreme court battles with Samsung and anyone else they think might have even brushed past one of their patents some time many moons ago. It makes me laugh every time I read something about the continuing patent wars.

Does anyone remember a time when companies were professional and released good products with excellent design and rigorous testing and when these products were desired by users? Now it seems they've lost the plot or become so arrogant and self assured that in their fantasy world on whatever planet they live on they can do any of this without consequences.

These are just my thoughts on what I've seen and read recently, anyone else feel the same?
Corky42 16th June 2013, 09:20 Quote
You know all the company's you mention have one thing in common, they all enjoy a dominant place in there respective markets.
Just like most people when your the best at something you do its hard not to become arrogant and believe you know whats best.
Mikee 16th June 2013, 14:58 Quote
I'm not sure I get the level of outrage about this. How are region based accounts for Xbox Live any different to say Netflix which has vastly different content depending on where you live? A US Netflix account gives the subscriber access to a significant amount more content than a UK account. This is all down to the different licence agreements in place from content providers in the different countries and this sounds no different.

I'm really not fussed either way with the new consoles, I think the PS4 is a more realistic price but I can also see what Microsoft is trying to achieve, not just now but in the future, with the XBox One. I'm amazed at how the tech media has come down so firmly and vocally on the side of the PS4. While the Xbox One has many flaws, I still think there is a great deal of potential there that is getting ignored.
faugusztin 16th June 2013, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mikee
I'm not sure I get the level of outrage about this. How are region based accounts for Xbox Live any different to say Netflix which has vastly different content depending on where you live? A US Netflix account gives the subscriber access to a significant amount more content than a UK account. This is all down to the different licence agreements in place from content providers in the different countries and this sounds no different.

There is a huge difference between locking down the marketplace (XBOX 360) and locking down the games and console (XBOX One) if you aren't in the IP addresses assigned to your country/region.
Harlequin 16th June 2013, 15:20 Quote
its gets far far worse:

http://www.eteknix.com/xbox-live-account-ban-will-result-in-losing-access-to-all-your-xbox-one-games/
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This shows no signs of letting up as now it is revealed an Xbox Live Account ban means losing all access to your Xbox One games according to Xbox’s Support Team on Twitter. Again this is causing outrage because people are worried about if there account is hacked or banned for an unfair reason
CrazyJoe 16th June 2013, 15:27 Quote
Old news is old.

45 seconds in:2lMhjM9BK7M
AlienwareAndy 16th June 2013, 15:29 Quote
You gotta feel sorry for the poor monkeys who work in support getting paid minimum wage and then having to spend the day doing their evil owner's bidding.
Corky42 16th June 2013, 15:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe
Old news is old.

Indeed
http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=3365598&postcount=16
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Things go from bad to worse in Microsoft land....

http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/news/3/1/31073_06_if_your_xbox_one_gets_banned_you_lose_the_licenses_to_all_of_your_games_too.png

What if they make a mistake do you still lose all the games you bought ?
Is this even legal ?
Blademrk 16th June 2013, 22:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
Now, I'm not a console owner, so this is all hypothetical, but: if I emigrate, does this mean I lose my xbox live account?

I'd assume it would be heavily restricted, Someone I know emigrated from the UK to Canada a few years back had immense problems getting MS points.

He ended up having to create a new account because there was no way to transfer his account from a UK one to a Canadian one and his UK account wouldn't allow him to add points from a Canadian card.
Anfield 16th June 2013, 23:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mikee
I'm not sure I get the level of outrage about this. How are region based accounts for Xbox Live any different to say Netflix which has vastly different content depending on where you live? A US Netflix account gives the subscriber access to a significant amount more content than a UK account. This is all down to the different licence agreements in place from content providers in the different countries and this sounds no different.

I wouldn't say its different, I would say it is equally bad, unjustified, evil, racist and pointless to make such licensing agreements.
Xir 17th June 2013, 07:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by CrazyJoe
Can you guarantee that they will play new releases at "acceptable" framerates for the next 7 years?
You check, how old can a computer be to have problems gaming at 1280×720?
That's about the pixelcount our 17" used to have 10 years ago. :D

Of course after computing for this resolution you'll need to upscale it to "full-HD" but your TV will probably do that.
M_D_K 17th June 2013, 09:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Blademrk
I'd assume it would be heavily restricted, Someone I know emigrated from the UK to Canada a few years back had immense problems getting MS points.

He ended up having to create a new account because there was no way to transfer his account from a UK one to a Canadian one and his UK account wouldn't allow him to add points from a Canadian card.

If your talking about Doug he did move to Canada lol(My relatives are Canadian I don't like them, at least he didn't move to France) but yes lots loads of problems migrating accounts which is a shame.


There is a lot of hate floating around for xbone but there is also a lot of free advertising for Microsoft with a 2page thread about how bad the xbone is, bad press is good press :).
Snips 17th June 2013, 10:17 Quote
LMAO @ you lot who keep trying to have a dig about "rumours"

Wait for the PSBore details as well as they let a lot slip quietly after their press release that didn't put it in a good light either.

Microsoft already said it would be launched in a number of countries first and then the rest of the world. What's the problem?
Corky42 17th June 2013, 11:40 Quote
I guess i missed something but what rumors ?
And what detail where slipped quietly, come on spill the beans
Snips 17th June 2013, 14:00 Quote
Cloud "always requiring an internet connection" computing to be launch spring 2014?

Premium online TV content?

Monthly subscription online gaming fee with a free "token- none chart topping" game a month?

Guess you missed a lot then?
faugusztin 17th June 2013, 14:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Monthly subscription online gaming fee with a free "token- none chart topping" game a month?

That really isn't a rumor, but rather a fact, for many years now :) (except the free game part).
Unicorn 17th June 2013, 15:00 Quote
It just appears to me that they're doing everything possible to shoot themselves in the foot. Not only have they loaded the gun and pointed it at their own feet, they're now putting their finger inside the trigger guard and touching the hair trigger. They're asking to be destroyed at this point. It'll be the biggest miracle (and cluster****) in console rival history if this thing actually outsells the PS4 at launch.

Look at how many Xbox 360 gamers on bit-tech alone have said without question that they won't buy this since the announcement, and consider the number of other sensible, technology literate gamers out there who feel exactly the same way and will have nothing to do with XBO.

They'll have the usual rush of holiday season sales generated by parents buying the console for their kids. There will also be younger, lesser informed gamers buying it because it's another Xbox and they want it to play the next title of their favourite console specific game series on (*cough* Halo), and last but not least the occasional hardcore Microsoft/Xbox fanboy who will also buy it because it's an Xbox and it's shiny and new.

The genuine gamers though, the ones like you find on bit-tech or other technology and gaming sites who know the difference between a console that offers something new, exciting and innovative and something that is so restrictive that they won't possibly be able to enjoy playing games on it... there's no way they will buy it, and those are the sales that will make or break the long term success of the new platform.

In short, the words "what is this, I don't even..." come to mind
faugusztin 17th June 2013, 15:08 Quote
@Unicorn: They are using tactics like our politicians - throw in 20 very stupid ideas and 5 ones which benefit their friends, retreat from 20 stupid ideas and people will be happy that the stupid ideas didn't go through, meanwhile the 5 which were the real ones gone through without issues as people were protesting against the 20 stupid ideas :D. MS now throws every stupid idea in the ring, and then they will retreat from that position, and some will say "see, they listen to us, it is not that bad".
Unicorn 17th June 2013, 15:17 Quote
So you're telling me that 12 months after the launch, the suckers people... who bought the console will slowly but surely realise that Microsoft have pulled the wool over their eyes and think to themselves "huh, I see what you did there, Microsoft, you screwed us".

Sounds about right :(
RedFlames 17th June 2013, 15:19 Quote
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It just appears to me that they're doing everything possible to shoot themselves in the foot. Not only have they loaded the gun and pointed it at their own feet, they're now putting their finger inside the trigger guard and touching the hair trigger. It'll be the biggest miracle (and cluster****) in console rival history if this thing actually outsells the PS4 at launch. Look at how many Xbox 360 gamers on bit-tech alone have said without question that they won't buy this since the announcement, and consider the number of other sensible, technology literate gamers out there who feel exactly the same way and will have nothing to do with XBO.

The words "what is this, I don't even..." come to mind

The thing is everyone is/was expecting the PS4 to be just as bad, so when Sony made a big point of saying otherwise, most people I know were saying 'ok... what's the catch...?'

Personally I won't buy either until the price drops a bit and any u-turns that either company are likely to pull have come out of the woodwork...
Corky42 17th June 2013, 18:22 Quote
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Cloud "always requiring an internet connection" computing to be launch spring 2014?
If im not mistaken what you claim to be "Cloud "always requiring an internet connection"computing" is nothing of the sort, Sony acquired the cloud-gaming service Gaikai last summer. And in 2014 the plan is to launch streamed PS3 games to Vita, PS3 and PS4. So this will let people play legacy games should they wish.
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Premium online TV content?
TV content will be available on both consoles. But on the PS4 a online account is an optional added extra.
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Monthly subscription online gaming fee with a free "token- none chart topping" game a month?
See above, a PSN account is an entirely optional added extra.
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Guess you missed a lot then?
No dont think i did TBH, unlike the Xbone the PS4 is not forcing a system wide DRM and is instead leaving the choice of DRM to the developers.
Unlike the Xbone the PS4's online features while being a nice addition is left for the customer to decide if they want to pay for these extra features.
ssj12 18th June 2013, 06:35 Quote
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I will say it once and say it again: this is a ploy by Microsoft to increase windows 8 sales as people move to PC gaming.

Little do they realize smart people will downgrade to W7 if they buy prebuilt PCs. Or buy W7 disks with the PC builds.
Snips 18th June 2013, 10:17 Quote
Yes I'm sure when the first crack for the PSBore comes out, you'll all be running disconnected single player illegally downloaded games. Do you really think the PSBore will be DRM free?

Really? Haven't we seen something like this before?,,,,,Oh yeah the PS3!
Corky42 18th June 2013, 11:02 Quote
At least people can play there games in a "disconnected single player" environment if they wish.

No one is saying the PS4 is going to be DRM free, but the implementation and what type of DRM is being left to the publishers of the game.

But with the Xbone we get a system wide DRM that is intended to prevent people breaking copyright laws by making illegal copy's and i agree with giving the creator of an original work exclusive rights to make copy's.
What has me concerned is the way DRM in general and the Xbone is implementing this DRM, its system wide DRM is now trying to circumvent one of the corner stones of copyright law, that of the First-sale doctrine
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The first-sale doctrine plays an important role in copyright and trademark law by limiting certain rights of a copyright or trademark owner. The doctrine enables the distribution chain of copyrighted products, library lending, gifting, video rentals and secondary markets for copyrighted works (for example, enabling individuals to sell their legally purchased books or CDs to others). In trademark law, this same doctrine enables reselling of trademarked products after the trademark holder put the products on the market. The doctrine is also referred to as the "right of first sale," "first sale rule," or "exhaustion rule."

If anything the way the Xbone is implementing it's system wide DRM is much more open to attack, all they have to do is hack or crack one system and the whole world of Xbone games are up for grabs.
Snips 18th June 2013, 17:25 Quote
How about you read up on exactly what Fony said in their PR stunt of claiming "DRM FREE" gaming. Which has now been u-turned to "We will not implement any new restrictions but the game developers might" statement.

It either is or it isn't.

PSBore's true colours are coming out in the wash day by day.
CrazyJoe 18th June 2013, 17:29 Quote
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How about you read up on exactly what Fony said in their PR stunt of claiming "DRM FREE" gaming.

Where did Sony say "DRM free"?
Corky42 18th June 2013, 18:34 Quote
Sony has never said the PS4 is going to be DRM free.
How about you re-watch the announcement, instead of reading how journalist have incorrectly interpreted it.

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listen to the precise wording of Tretton’s first statement, the first one that stirred the crowd.
‘Playstation 4 won’t impose any new restrictions on the use of PS4 gaming’.
Please feel free to point out where he said "DRM FREE"
Cthippo 19th June 2013, 14:00 Quote
It's amazing when someone can get cheers for saying "We're going to continue doing exactly what we've been doing"

Something about managing expectations there... :|
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