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Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

The Xbox One features a Blu-ray drive, TV input and an AMD APU.

Microsoft has lifted the lid on its new games console, revealing it as the Xbox One.

The announcement ends years of speculation about just what technology and features would be in the followup to the hugely successful Xbox 360.

As expected it features a TV input for instant switching to live TV. It also makes heavy use of a new Kinect to navigate the interface using gestures or voice control, with high-speed switching between TV, gaming, music playback and other apps.

Don Mattrick, President of the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, introduced the new console and declared it "simple, instant and complete", with Microsoft aiming to make "technology step behind the curtain and you and your entertainment to take center stage"

Xbox One Specs

The heart of the Xbox Infinity is its new processor that features 5 billion transistors and that is backed up by 8GB of RAM. Accompanying this will be a 500GB hard drive (non-replaceable), USB 3.0 inputs, Wi-Fi Direct, and HDMI connectivity.

Another key feature will be a Blu-ray drive, though Microsoft hasn't revealed exactly how this will be used. While it will play films, we don't yet know how it will handle games, and whether games can be installed to the hard drive.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console
Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

Similarly the company has yet to confirm if the new chip is the much rumoured AMD APU, nor has it given details on the number of GPU processors or clock speeds, though it has confirmed the CPU element is 8-core.

Xbox One Kinect

Key to the new Xbox One experience is its included new Kinect, which will be used to control gestures as well as power voice-control. This will be used to recognise the user such that by saying "Xbox on", the console will power on and go straight to that user's profile.

The new Kinect will, like the previous version, be a separate device placed above or in front of a TV. The new version, however, is much more sensitive and can sense up to 6 players at once. It can also understand much more subtle gestures, allowing for finer control.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console
Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

Xbox One controller

The other key aspect to controlling the Xbox One is its controller. This features largely the same design as the previous model but with "40 design innovations". These include a slimming down of the controller by integrating the battery pack, a new D-pad and triggers that have user-configurable sensitivity.

Microsoft also sees Smartglass as a key part of the Xbox One eco system.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console
Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

Xbox One Games

Microsoft has confirmed it will be bringing eight brand new franchises and seven other exclusive franchises to the Xbox One within the first year of release.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console
The new Forza game coming to Xbox One

During the Xbox One reveal event the company demonstrated new EA Sports titles, including a new FIFA and NFL games.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

A new Forza title was also shown, as was a new title called Quantum Break, which appears to deal with time travel.

Tying into one of the platforms most successful franchises, the company also confirmed a live action Halo TV series that will be directed by Steven Spielberg.

Call of Duty Ghosts, the next game in the series, was also given its first public showing. Activision talked at length about the new game engine the title will use that includes a host of next-gen graphics tweaks. These include tool called sub-D, which dynamically changes the number of triangles used to render an object depending on how close the player is, fluid dynamics for water, interactive smoke and support for much higher textures that can for instance be used to show blood and fingernail dirt on the player's hands.

Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console
Xbox One announced as next-gen Microsoft games console

The engine also support apparently sophisticated AI for controlling the dog that accompanies the player throughout the game. Fish will also swim away from you.

Xbox One release date and price

Microsoft has yet to reveal a price or exact release date for the new console but Don Mattrick did confirm the console will be arriving this year. He also confirmed that E3 will see a host of game announcements for the new console.

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Maki role 21st May 2013, 18:28 Quote
As I mentioned in the other article, it's freakin' hideous. Although the updated controller and kinect certainly look interesting. It couldn't have taken more than 15 minutes to design that enclosure though, with the majority of that 15 minutes used to finish eating lunch.
Spuzzell 21st May 2013, 18:28 Quote
So for just £300 I can watch live TV on my TV?

SOLD.
faugusztin 21st May 2013, 18:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
As I mentioned in the other article, it's freakin' hideous.

Compared to PS4 it at least looks like a real product.
Maki role 21st May 2013, 18:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
Compared to PS4 it at least looks like a real product.

Hehe true enough, still disappointed though. I actually liked the look of both the original and slim Xbox 360s. Forza 5 certainly looks very pretty though.
The_Crapman 21st May 2013, 18:40 Quote
The Xbox One. Seriously!? Someone teach their marketing department to count ffs.
Woodspoon 21st May 2013, 18:46 Quote
I actually quite like the look of it's plain simple smooth lines and I'm no console fan.
The_Crapman 21st May 2013, 18:56 Quote
Also the live feed has stopped working. Bravo microsoft. Bravo.
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Cei 21st May 2013, 19:14 Quote
FIVE BILLION TRANSISTORS!?!?!?!?!

Seriously, when did that become a metric of performance?
Maki role 21st May 2013, 19:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Crapman
Also the live feed has stopped working. Bravo microsoft. Bravo. *snip*

Hmm, I never had a single issue with the livestream, was one of the few areas I was actually very impressed with. The PS4 reveal stream was an utter shambles by comparison, was simply impossible to get running at all for a lot of the event.

Sad they ended it on CoD though, the game looks damn awful. I'm not sure what their lighting department is doing over at IW, but they should do a better job. The shoddy lighting means the game doesn't look much better than a 360 title. Comparing it to the BF4 footage or even BF3 is embarrassing.

Find it interesting how the most exciting reveal for me from the entire event wasn't even to do with the console itself, but was the Halo TV series. I really enjoyed FUD, and with a good budget and with Steven Spielberg at the helm, it could be really good. Of course it could also quite easily not live up to the hype, something Spielberg is certainly good at too.
faugusztin 21st May 2013, 19:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cei
FIVE BILLION TRANSISTORS!?!?!?!?!

Seriously, when did that become a metric of performance?

About the same time the most important parameter for a graphics card became the RAM on it :).
ajfsound 21st May 2013, 19:19 Quote
I wonder whether it will be 8gb of gddr5, like on the ps4.... If not it will surely give the edge to Sony.
Cei 21st May 2013, 19:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
Hmm, I never had a single issue with the livestream, was one of the few areas I was actually very impressed with. The PS4 reveal stream was an utter shambles by comparison, was simply impossible to get running at all for a lot of the event.

My livestream died several times, then just stopped working totally. Both Sony and Microsoft fail at streaming, which is a bit odd considering they both push cloud/online services and Microsoft just bragged about how many servers they have.

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Originally Posted by ajfsound
I wonder whether it will be 8gb of gddr5, like on the ps4.... If not it will surely give the edge to Sony.

It's DDR3 with 32MB of ESRAM in the SOC to try and speed things up a bit.
Harlequin 21st May 2013, 19:25 Quote
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1934607/sonys_share_price_rises_after_xbox_one_announcement.html


sony share price gone up 8% since xbox reveal.... and MS have fallen
enciem 21st May 2013, 19:28 Quote
Sooooo, the last project you worked on was a hitachi top loading VCR, and you want to design our new console? Welcome aboard!!!
faugusztin 21st May 2013, 19:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
sony share price gone up 8% since xbox reveal.... and MS have fallen

To be honest, that is pretty stupid reaction. PS4 is just a console. XBOX One is a console plus a media centre. While for gaming PS4 looks a bit better, in overall aspect XBOX One is probably going to sell better on the same grounds as PS3 was bought at start - as a media device. The reaction probably overestimates the effect of the gamer community and underestimates the effect of the causal and media community.
dactone 21st May 2013, 19:33 Quote
I like it, I think it look good. Let's hope it don't sound like a vacuum this time aye.
ajfsound 21st May 2013, 19:42 Quote
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It's DDR3 with 32MB of ESRAM in the SOC to try and speed things up a bit.

How this competes with the bandwidth difference that GDDR5 brings will be interesting.
Stanley Tweedle 21st May 2013, 19:43 Quote
8gb ram, 500gb hard disk? This is gonna be one hell of a PC beater. It will beat the PC for years to come. It's a game changer. Apparently they've also redesigned the ring of death. It now has a different colour and flashes to indicate the severity of the console failure. I can't wait to buy one. I'm gonna sell my PC.
ajfsound 21st May 2013, 19:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Stanley Tweedle
8gb ram, 500gb hard disk? This is gonna be one hell of a PC beater. It will beat the PC for years to come. It's a game changer. Apparently they've also redesigned the ring of death. It now has a different colour and flashes to indicate the severity of the console failure. I can't wait to buy one. I'm gonna sell my PC.

My spidey sense is tingling
Sloth 21st May 2013, 19:55 Quote
Sure is a funky looking controller. Never been a fan of Xbox controllers and this one seems to have only gotten worse.

Liking the design of the console, though. Much less shouty, fits better with other home entertainment equipment.
fdbh96 21st May 2013, 19:59 Quote
You know what would be very cool: The ability to play PC games.

Fair enough to Sony to not doing that but there really isn't much of a reason for MS not to allow it (in techincal terms not financially). It runs PC hardware and I imagine that the OS will be very much like Windows 8.
rollo 21st May 2013, 20:02 Quote
Xbox reveal was weird no specs no price no launch date. 4bil transistors and a 500gb hd is what we get who cares is where I'm at. Think the markets must agree judging by the reactions of Sony and Microsoft share price.

Gddr5 can break 200gb/sec bandwidth for reference that's what most high end vid cards run at. The last gen gddr3 feels like a cheap option even if it has 32mb stuck on it.
Harlequin 21st May 2013, 20:06 Quote
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

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Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee
Asouter 21st May 2013, 20:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
As I mentioned in the other article, it's freakin' hideous.

Compared to PS4 it at least looks like a real product.

It's been a bizarre couple of weeks, dodgy colours on z87 boards and dull boxes ..... seems the manufacturers should take a look in the project logs once in while
AiA 21st May 2013, 20:10 Quote
no the best of names
i am sure the average person will just refer to it as an xbox

change the logo to Sony and it would look like a sony product to me
GeorgeK 21st May 2013, 20:30 Quote
What a terrible, unoriginal name - HTC One, Sony i1 now the XBox One... Plus it does look dull as dishwater... Oh well, something else not to buy...
sotu1 21st May 2013, 20:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role


Find it interesting how the most exciting reveal for me from the entire event wasn't even to do with the console itself, but was the Halo TV series. I really enjoyed FUD, and with a good budget and with Steven Spielberg at the helm, it could be really good. Of course it could also quite easily not live up to the hype, something Spielberg is certainly good at too.

I might need to rewatch, but is Spielberg actually involved directly? Or is he just an ambassador?
loftie 21st May 2013, 20:46 Quote
It's not a bad design, or ugly, just not something I would have expected this millennium. Also, Activision has re-done CoD, they now have smoke.
AcidJiles 21st May 2013, 20:48 Quote
Anyone else like the design of the console? It may not be flashy but to me it certainly doesn't look bad and will fit in unobtrusively wherever it is which is what matters most to me about a consoles looks.
Baguette 21st May 2013, 20:51 Quote
Wow, did not expect such a sheit response from the community. Guys, get over your love of the PC and its perfectly crafted integration into life and look at whats interesting!

To many, kinect was an abysmal failure. But the programming scene found so many different projects, applications, uses for it. For Computer Scientists it was a perfect tool made readily available. The fact that they have bumped it up a notch is what interests me the most. I'd be msot interested to see what they come up with.

The xbox itself is unjudgable until people actually get to try it out. Specs don't work like a PC, so meh.
Farfalho 21st May 2013, 20:58 Quote
Actually, the APU or CPU, will have 8 cores. It was visible from the console's exploded view slide. The first sentence on the top right. Albeit that, nothing about RAM specs were mentioned.

Spielberg will be directed involved, at least is what was implied.

Xbox streaming through the Deutsch Xbox page was pretty good (I'm from and live in Portugal).

As someone already said, the console looks like a VCR, specially the one showed in the NFL/Xbox collaboration, with grey touches. I still have a VCR looking like that (dimension and colour wise) in my garage in a need of repair.
Forza and the controller were the most interesting parts. I hope the controller is compatible with the wireless xbox 360 pc receiver so I can pair it up with another controllers on my pc, otherwise, have to buy 3 more xbox 360 wireless controllers.

To conclude my opinion, I'm waiting with popcorn to hear people complain that changing game isn't as fast as claimed nor switching between "apps". They showed an already configured console and since it looks like a lot of Windows 8 with media center embedded with the same "boot cache system", the first time setup and when you really close applications or whatever they are called, it will take longer so there's the reason why it has so much RAM, to have applications running in the background. Changing back to the game is a thing, changing games is another one, they didn't cover that.
faugusztin 21st May 2013, 20:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by loftie
It's not a bad design, or ugly, just not something I would have expected this millennium. Also, Activision has re-done CoD, they now have smoke.

So minimalism is now suddenly "not from this millenium" ? Sure, people who buy computers with Alienware design are probably sad by this design choice, but the design of XBOX One fits the intended purpose - a media hub, which will you can safely put next to your AV Receiver and it won't scream "I AM ZEH GAMING CONSOLEH". In that context, both XBOX 360 and PS3 looked very bad.
Joey Propane 21st May 2013, 21:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
To be honest, that is pretty stupid reaction. PS4 is just a console. XBOX One is a console plus a media centre.

But really, do people nowadays NEED another media device? Between their TV's, tablets, mobile phones, PC's, laptops and current gen consoles do you really think there's enough people out there who will want a new Xbox over a PS4 because of it's media capabilities?

I don't.

But anyways, the more I hear and see about the new Xbox, the more I sway towards the PS4... I haven't owned a games console since the original Xbox/GameCube/PS2 era (I owned all three as well), it'll be nice to have something to bring back the hobby of playing games with my mates in the same room if nothing else (the only thing I miss with PC gaming, LAN is just too much faffing about).
The_Crapman 21st May 2013, 21:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
So minimalism is now suddenly "not from this millenium" ? Sure, people who buy computers with Alienware design are probably sad by this design choice, but the design of XBOX One fits the intended purpose - a media hub, which will you can safely put next to your AV Receiver and it won't scream "I AM ZEH GAMING CONSOLEH". In that context, both XBOX 360 and PS3 looked very bad.
I couldn't disagree with you more. My 360 Elite in matt black looks perfectly acceptable next to my TV. The PS3 wasn't too bad and the curved design was something a bit different and interesting. The updated Mk2 design that lost the ghastly fingerprint black and the shiney silver front looked good.

The new Xbox is HUGE, far from the discrete minimalism you'd expect for something that's going to be out in the open front and centre. It seems bigger than my amp i've got under my tv and it looks completely disjointed with it's '2 halves' appearance.
Maki role 21st May 2013, 21:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
So minimalism is now suddenly "not from this millenium" ? Sure, people who buy computers with Alienware design are probably sad by this design choice, but the design of XBOX One fits the intended purpose - a media hub, which will you can safely put next to your AV Receiver and it won't scream "I AM ZEH GAMING CONSOLEH". In that context, both XBOX 360 and PS3 looked very bad.

No it's just a really poor design. Sure it will work and blend in (if you have another box that size I guess), but it's just sooooooooo boring.

Just to level it out, I'm not saying it should look like it was designed by NZXT or Alienware. I was more thinking along the lines of Apple. Hate their pricing, ecosystem and specs all you want, but Apple machines are bloody beautiful. My parents picked up one of the slim 27" iMacs a couple months back, that thing is simply gorgeous. I would much prefer to have something along the lines of a Mac Mini in my living room than this thing. Admittedly the casing for a mini probably costs 20x more to produce though, so isn't exactly applicable in this scenario.
loftie 21st May 2013, 22:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
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Originally Posted by loftie
It's not a bad design, or ugly, just not something I would have expected this millennium. Also, Activision has re-done CoD, they now have smoke.

So minimalism is now suddenly "not from this millenium" ? Sure, people who buy computers with Alienware design are probably sad by this design choice, but the design of XBOX One fits the intended purpose - a media hub, which will you can safely put next to your AV Receiver and it won't scream "I AM ZEH GAMING CONSOLEH". In that context, both XBOX 360 and PS3 looked very bad.

I never said minimalism - your words not mine. All I said is it looks like something not from this milennium, and considering the first thing that come to my mind when I saw it was a cross between a very very old HTPC my friend used to own and my grandparents even older top loading VCR with a wired remote control, I'm going to stand by that.

And as I started, it's not a bad design, and it's not ugly, just unexpected. I suppose I was expecting something smaller/slimmer and with rounded edges. More akin to our current, but aging, PVR.

Will the PS4 not also play videos like the PS3 can or have they scrapped that?
Nicodemus_MM 21st May 2013, 22:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Maki role
As I mentioned in the other article, it's freakin' hideous..

God forbid a game console looks like a serious Audio Visual appliance. I mean... how dare they not make it impractically curved, gaudy and stand out like a dead cat on a buffet. :(

Gee, maybe they wanted something that looks like an appliance and could be taken seriously by more than those that play games. Ya think?
The_Crapman 21st May 2013, 22:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_MM
God forbid a game console looks like a serious Audio Visual appliance. I mean... how dare they not make it impractically curved, gaudy and stand out like a dead cat on a buffet. :(

Gee, maybe they wanted something that looks like an appliance and could be taken seriously by more than those that play games. Ya think?
Then why they make it look like it's the box that magicians use to cut their assistant in half and the size of a hearse then?:|

Also they've succeeded in making some of it look like a normal household appliance. The top of it looks like a cooker with one half halogen hobs and the other half griddle pan.
rollo 21st May 2013, 23:03 Quote
The new xbox reveal was just that a look and little else. Very little got confirmed that rumours had not already pointed out.

The biggest thing to come out of this was the Fee for the second hand game or friend game market. Thats a big thing to parents who might consider buying a second console if they can share the games. Its a much more difficult purchase if you have to buy the same game twice.

Not many parents are going to happily pay £60 for the game then another £5-£10 to play it on a second xbox that they own that seems kinda insane.

If the ps4 does not charge for second hand games then Sony already has an advantage in the eyes of the parents who are the purchases of most of these consoles to begin with.
PlayLoud 21st May 2013, 23:19 Quote
I haven't heard anything about a CableCARD tuner. Are they expecting all these people who now want to watch TV through their xbox to purchase a USB CableCARD device? I think most people (after watching this video) would expect to watch TV without any additional purchase.
SexyHyde 21st May 2013, 23:37 Quote
Any news on how the fee works on replacement consoles (after theft or damage). Gotta be honest the 2nd hand fee would be understandable with Sony, but Microsoft take £40 a year for xbox live so this extra fee just seems a little greedy. I can't wait till they're both out and hopefully push the WiiU down in price a bit more.
faugusztin 21st May 2013, 23:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by SexyHyde
but Microsoft take £40 a year for xbox live so this extra fee just seems a little greedy

If i would have to guess it was the price for publishers signing exclusive deals, and the whole "second hand" fee goes to the publishers.
fdbh96 22nd May 2013, 00:12 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
The new xbox reveal was just that a look and little else. Very little got confirmed that rumours had not already pointed out.

The biggest thing to come out of this was the Fee for the second hand game or friend game market. Thats a big thing to parents who might consider buying a second console if they can share the games. Its a much more difficult purchase if you have to buy the same game twice.

Not many parents are going to happily pay £60 for the game then another £5-£10 to play it on a second xbox that they own that seems kinda insane.

If the ps4 does not charge for second hand games then Sony already has an advantage in the eyes of the parents who are the purchases of most of these consoles to begin with.

No its not insane. If you can play the SAME game in 2 different xboxes at the same time then you should have to pay for it twice. They are being reasonable in that you don't have to pay full price after the first purchase. One thing they can't do is keep charging £40 for a AAA game, because then people will turn to pirating.
fdbh96 22nd May 2013, 00:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by PlayLoud
I haven't heard anything about a CableCARD tuner. Are they expecting all these people who now want to watch TV through their xbox to purchase a USB CableCARD device? I think most people (after watching this video) would expect to watch TV without any additional purchase.

Article on how TV is rumoured to work (not sure if confirmed or not):
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4352710/live-tv-on-the-xbox-one-microsoft-didnt-learn-from-google-tv
thom804 22nd May 2013, 00:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by GeorgeK
What a terrible, unoriginal name - HTC One, Sony i1 now the XBox One... Plus it does look dull as dishwater... Oh well, something else not to buy...

I think it's literally so it can be shortened to the X1, which sounds pretty sweet to me at least :)
thom804 22nd May 2013, 00:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by GeorgeK
What a terrible, unoriginal name - HTC One, Sony i1 now the XBox One... Plus it does look dull as dishwater... Oh well, something else not to buy...

I think it's literally so it can be shortened to the X1, which sounds pretty sweet to me at least :)
thom804 22nd May 2013, 00:29 Quote
Except for the slot loader, I actually quite like the look of it.

A nice obsidian lump to stick in the hifi rack.

Also: "Fish will also swim away from you." hmmmmm
Horizon 22nd May 2013, 00:48 Quote
You guys are a funny bunch, I don't understand your logic(s) at all. It's just a black blox w/ vents where is all the rage/angst coming from? As long as it doesn't RROD this time around from a lack of vents and cooling and sound like a vacuum cleaner while it does so it looks fine. If it happens to look like another black box w/ vents made in the past 20 years...*well whatever*
loftie 22nd May 2013, 01:21 Quote
To those of you in the US and Canada (I think), if you sign up for a pre-order notification of the Xbox then you can get $10 of credit for MS online stores.

http://xbox.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/html/pbpage.XboxAnnounce?siteID=te1Fq2FCseg-S8LSBK8kZmmrrS5ooXxsWg
Harlequin 22nd May 2013, 08:15 Quote
the wii u has the tv `thing` and whilst it works in the USA , it hardly works in the rest of the world
will_123 22nd May 2013, 08:32 Quote
I don’t mind how it looks. Just wonder how noisy it will be, the last one was like a 747 taking off.
chrismarkham1982 22nd May 2013, 08:38 Quote
I heard Tivo being mentioned, wonder if it will work with the Virgin Tivo box's? not overly fussed though TBH
barny2767 22nd May 2013, 09:42 Quote
If you look in to Sony share price it jumped when rumour surfaced about possibly spinning off its music and movies divisions so its not all about M$ofts Xbox reveal.
N17 dizzi 22nd May 2013, 09:43 Quote
Happy for what it'll do for PC gaming
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 10:00 Quote
With the new Kinetic being able to switch on via voice command im guessing that means it's always listening even when off, doesn't this open up security concerns.

It is very unlikely Microsoft would spy on its customers, but its not beyond the realms of reason to think of some malicious software infecting peoples XBOX.
phuzz 22nd May 2013, 10:04 Quote
I can't see the different types of RAM between the PS and Xbox making a huge difference, or at least not for a year or two until devs have got used to getting the most out of that 8-core chip. By which point 16Gb of faster RAM will be available for the PC for about £30.

If it moves games towards being more multithreaded then that'll be interesting for the PC, there's not been much point in having more than four CPU cores for gaming so far.
faugusztin 22nd May 2013, 10:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
It is very unlikely Microsoft would spy on its customers, but its not beyond the realms of reason to think of some malicious software infecting peoples XBOX.

Unlikely, if we talk about standard ways of obtaining stuff. Could be happening once people start modchipping and hacking their consoles, you never know what extra stuff is bundled with the hacking tool.

Still, we probably talk about a very low level (and low power) system running, which only listens to XBOX On command :).
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 10:36 Quote
People should stop smugly comparing PC HW to console HW ,it doesn't stack up. Some industry devs claim the PS4's 8GB of unified GDRR5, in a ultra low latency APU setup, utilising LibGCM (low level programming) .Has the potential to put PC and its Windows API layer shielded HW in a very difficult position- even very high-end rigs .

PC gamers could be in for an 'upgrade to play' shock. Nvidia will likely move to GPGPU low latency designs just to keep up with possible future 'to the metal' PS4 titles. Yes, we've seen better Epic 'demos' on PC recently: Infiltrator; Samaritan; Elemental... but extracting that performance ,in-game, running Windows, going through latency anchor DirectX is impossible currently.
G0UDG 22nd May 2013, 10:50 Quote
At the end of the day this is after all a console consoles in my humble opinion are killing pc gaming as many games we get today are just console ports which is not good
faugusztin 22nd May 2013, 10:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ayrto
but extracting that performance ,in-game, running Windows, going through latency anchor DirectX is impossible currently.

You clearly missed the part about the multiple OS architecture (probably switched by quick hibernation), where the Windows core is used only for the Dashboard & Media features, games will again run on the close-to-metal architecture.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 10:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ayrto
PC gamers could be in for an 'upgrade to play' shock. Nvidia will likely move to GPGPU low latency designs just to keep up with possible future 'to the metal' PS4 titles. Yes, we've seen better Epic 'demos' on PC recently: Infiltrator; Samaritan; Elemental... but extracting that performance ,in-game, running Windows, going through latency anchor DirectX is impossible currently.

But your comparing today's PC with next gen consoles that wont be out until the end of the year, if history teaches us anything it is that while the new generation of consoles look good today in maybe two years PC's will again be held back by outdated consoles.

And saying "latency anchor DirectX" is utter rubbish unless you think consoles games don't go through a API as well ?
MjFrosty 22nd May 2013, 10:58 Quote
Can't wait to play with one of these
Harlequin 22nd May 2013, 11:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
It is very unlikely Microsoft would spy on its customers, but its not beyond the realms of reason to think of some malicious software infecting peoples XBOX.

ok a quick tale for you about MS and the new Skype.

a good friend works for a large computer security company and sent a Skype message with a link to another employee , internally. the other employee wasn't at his desk but the website logged 1 access.

concerned he then sent another message , this time with embedded login details - to the workstation next to him , whilst his manager was standing over them.

the message duly arrived , and moments later the website log showed the login details from the embedded link had been used. a quick trace showed the login came from Redmond. this is a UK based firm.


MS are already spying on you.
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 11:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by faugusztin
You clearly missed the part about the multiple OS architecture (probably switched by quick hibernation), where the Windows core is used only for the Dashboard & Media features, games will again run on the close-to-metal architecture.

Must be getting lost in translation , or possibly I wasn't clear?

But .. I was commenting only on the PC having to run through Windows API layers. I know about the Xbox one having a 'lower level' OS and that's welcome. Although, Microsoft certification is notoriously problematic ,unless developers build games to run as MS wants, least it was with the 360 where Microsoft's strict certification guidelines stated that all GPU calls need to be routed through DirectX..

With the PS3, Sony always embraced allowing devs to talk to the HW -writing their own command buffers and addressing the RSX chip directly through its LibGCM interface.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 11:14 Quote
@Harlequin, yea i read about that around the net, i think the explanation for it was because they scan for potentially malicious web sites being sent via Skype.
I cant find the news snippet atm though :?

EDIT: Found the details of it if anyone cares ;)
http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/think-your-skype-messages-get-end-to-end-encryption-think-again/
rollo 22nd May 2013, 11:43 Quote
Small reminder about the HW the average PC ( acording to steam user survey) user has a 560 ti or a 7850 or something similar that means both consoles are alot faster than them.

Compare that to people on this forum with tri sli 670s or duel sli 680s and 3 way cfx systems and you can see a gap. Pc gaming is heading towards multi screen high resolution gaming thats the future for pcs.

Most people I know just want to see games improve not the graphics that power them, Another Cod game not exactly top of my shopping list.

As for Direct x it needs to die already but it aint gonna happen, Most of the nvidia graphics demos are not written on direct x but are coded directly to the 680 it was run on or the titan in some cases so its getting alot more performance. AMD do a similar thing with there gpu releases.

The games that have been revealed for both consoles so far have a meh feel about them not so bad so good. Niether console yet has what id call a killer launch title plenty of time for that to change.
Phil Rhodes 22nd May 2013, 11:46 Quote
And in another five years there'll be another one.

Yawn.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 12:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
And in another five years there'll be another one.

If only, its taken them eight years to update the current gen.
We where rocking Pentium 4 3.6 - 3.8 GHz and Athlon 64 3200+
With GeForce 7800 GTX and Radeon X850 XT

Damn i feel old now :'(
SchizoFrog 22nd May 2013, 12:23 Quote
As for the design, I really don't care. It's not as good as it could be but then it is not the worst thing in the world either. If I was thinking of buying an XBox One it certainly wouldn't stop because of the way it looks and I doubt anyone would choose not to buy the console because of it's looks alone.

As for the hardware, again I don't really care about the fine specifics. It is clear that these are far more powerful units (both the XBox One and the PS4) than their predecessors with architecture that should be a lot easier to code for. It was long argued that the PS3 was far more powerful than the XBox 360 and yet in no way has the PS3 left the 360 behind, let alone killed it off. Remember, the vast majority of games are cross platform so while one device is often more powerful than another, the developers build for the lowest powered device with some minor optimisations for the rest but nothing that fundamentally changes the game from one platform to the next.

So it comes down to what they do with it. As always there will be some titles for one console or the other that will affect the choice of some customers but on the whole it will come down to the overall package and the extra services that are provided. This is where I think Microsoft will have an advantage as they have a full ecosystem developing with Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 and now the XBox One. It will be interesting in future to see how these all interact with each other as this is an angle that Sony just doesn't have and may well see them tie more heavily with the Android platform.
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 12:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
ok a quick tale for you about MS and the new Skype.

a good friend works for a large computer security company and sent a Skype message with a link to another employee , internally. the other employee wasn't at his desk but the website logged 1 access.

concerned he then sent another message , this time with embedded login details - to the workstation next to him , whilst his manager was standing over them.

the message duly arrived , and moments later the website log showed the login details from the embedded link had been used. a quick trace showed the login came from Redmond. this is a UK based firm.


MS are already spying on you.

That isn't the only privacy concern.

Kinect's 'spy and charge' patent brings potential concerns about the 'always on' mandatory kinect and Redmond's plans for that. Some suggest simply sticking something over the lenses, but that may not be possible without the system putting up a warning on screen??

Xbox One looks more and more like a mismatched gaming DVR hybrid ..with quite a few privacy concerns.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 13:25 Quote
They say the UK is the most watched society in the world , soon everyone else can join us and have CCTV in there homes
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 13:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
They say the UK is the most watched society in the world , soon everyone else can join us and have CCTV in there homes

Have sex on the couch and the next day mysteriously get bombarded with adverts for condoms?
Harlequin 22nd May 2013, 13:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ayrto
Have sex on the couch and the next day mysteriously get bombarded with adverts for condoms?

or free home starter kits from huggies ;)
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 13:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Harlequin
or free home starter kits from huggies ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xd63f93Lw8#t=36s


Can't use forum embed feature and jump to specific time point afaik.
dyzophoria 22nd May 2013, 14:40 Quote
I really like the design, minimalistic, nice for my HT setup, I respect all the mods out there in terms of really good designs, but for my setup, it will fit nicely, kinect 2.0 would look nicer if it where flatter I guess, to each his own taste.
Griffter 22nd May 2013, 15:09 Quote
looks like a 1980's video machine... makes sense since its for TV shows now.
DbD 22nd May 2013, 16:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by ajfsound
I wonder whether it will be 8gb of gddr5, like on the ps4.... If not it will surely give the edge to Sony.

Xbox has DRR3 which is much slower, but it does have 32mb of embedded memory which can be used to offset some of that disadvantage. However that's not the real difference - it has the same cpu's but 50% less shaders for the gpu. Hence given the less powerful gpu needs less memory bandwidth the memory system is probably fine, but gpu will be noticeably slower.

However the xbox ships with kinect v2 - that means every xbox has it which means all games can take advantage of it. That was MS choice - save money with slower gpu to spend money on guaranteed kinect. What will the end user choose - slightly fancier looking explosions and more detailed models or kinect? Looking at what happened with the wii - all the non hardcore gamers will pick kinect every time.

The other differentiator is software, here it's likely xbox will have the edge - microsoft are much more experienced when it comes to software, and are likely to have something that just works a bit better. Xbox also has other cool things in the wings like illumiroom.

Hence while I expect sony will have some hardcore gamers loving their ps4's I bet the xbox will take the lions share of the market.
Spuzzell 22nd May 2013, 16:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Small reminder about the HW the average PC ( acording to steam user survey) user has a 560 ti or a 7850 or something similar that means both consoles are alot faster than them.

Compare that to people on this forum with tri sli 670s or duel sli 680s and 3 way cfx systems and you can see a gap. Pc gaming is heading towards multi screen high resolution gaming thats the future for pcs.

Most people I know just want to see games improve not the graphics that power them, Another Cod game not exactly top of my shopping list.

As for Direct x it needs to die already but it aint gonna happen, Most of the nvidia graphics demos are not written on direct x but are coded directly to the 680 it was run on or the titan in some cases so its getting alot more performance. AMD do a similar thing with there gpu releases.

The games that have been revealed for both consoles so far have a meh feel about them not so bad so good. Niether console yet has what id call a killer launch title plenty of time for that to change.

A 7850 is almost exactly similar to the GPU the PS4 has, and a lot faster than the XBone.

There's also a huge processing advantage to any PC owner with an i3 or up. The new consoles are just PCs with £120 graphics cards and CPUs designed for low power draw laptops.

A nice upgrade on the current gen of consoles, but they can't compete on power terms with a gaming PC from 2011.
Ayrto 22nd May 2013, 16:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spuzzell
A 7850 is almost exactly similar to the GPU the PS4 has, and a lot faster than the XBone.

There's also a huge processing advantage to any PC owner with an i3 or up. The new consoles are just PCs with £120 graphics cards and CPUs designed for low power draw laptops.

A nice upgrade on the current gen of consoles, but they can't compete on power terms with a gaming PC from 2011.

Not again.. PC HW's true potential is shielded by performance hobbling APIs. Programming 'to the metal' ,only possible on fixed HW, is as different as chalk and cheese. LibGCM if available on PS4 will mean the GPU 7870/7850 will pulverise its equivalent GPU sitting in a Windows PC in terms of performance. The DirectX API can add thousands of cycles of wait time for even simple draw operations. Then you've got the inherent physical latency due to the limits of PCIe:
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"If you look at a PC, said Cerny, "if it had 8 gigabytes of memory on it, the CPU or GPU could only share about 1 percent of that memory on any given frame. That's simply a limit imposed by the speed of the PCIe. So, yes, there is substantial benefit to having a unified architecture on PS4, and it’s a very straightforward benefit that you get even on your first day of coding with the system. The growth in the system in later years will come more from having the enhanced PC GPU. And I guess that conversation gets into everything we did to enhance it."

From a Gamasutra interview here.

It's been said PCs are good for everything but gaming. These things haven't been an issue to date because all that's been coming across to PC are ports from the dated consoles.
Harlequin 22nd May 2013, 17:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spuzzell
A 7850 is almost exactly similar to the GPU the PS4 has, and a lot faster than the XBone.

There's also a huge processing advantage to any PC owner with an i3 or up. The new consoles are just PCs with £120 graphics cards and CPUs designed for low power draw laptops.

A nice upgrade on the current gen of consoles, but they can't compete on power terms with a gaming PC from 2011.

if you strip away that huge ass bloatware called windows and dreictx , and use compute for direct to metal power , you`ll get somewhere around what these consoles can do when properly coded for.
rollo 22nd May 2013, 17:43 Quote
Like that will ever happen lol.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 19:41 Quote
AFAIK direct to metal is something devs use farther into the life cycle of a console, when a console first comes out they want to get games done quick so go through API's

Direct to metal is something that gets the most out of a console, but can only be done because of the common hardware in consoles so its very unlikely we will ever see this on PC's

It would be nice if consoles where refreshed quicker than the current seven year gap as i feel games have been held back for maybe a year or more due to coding for the lowest spec hardware.
SchizoFrog 22nd May 2013, 22:27 Quote
The past 50 comments all revolve around the same few terms... 'Direct to Metal', '7850', etc... nothing new to be said about it now if people actually read and thought about what has already been posted.
ssj12 22nd May 2013, 22:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
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Originally Posted by Ayrto
PC gamers could be in for an 'upgrade to play' shock. Nvidia will likely move to GPGPU low latency designs just to keep up with possible future 'to the metal' PS4 titles. Yes, we've seen better Epic 'demos' on PC recently: Infiltrator; Samaritan; Elemental... but extracting that performance ,in-game, running Windows, going through latency anchor DirectX is impossible currently.

But your comparing today's PC with next gen consoles that wont be out until the end of the year, if history teaches us anything it is that while the new generation of consoles look good today in maybe two years PC's will again be held back by outdated consoles.

And saying "latency anchor DirectX" is utter rubbish unless you think consoles games don't go through a API as well ?

Considering both the PS4 and X1 both have similar specs. I will say modern PCs today are already stronger. Console GPUs are based around the HD78xx cards. 8Gbs of ram, shared between the GPU and CPU. 8 core CPUs. Nothing unheard of today at all.

And they go through APIs, mostly OpenGL not DirectX.
Corky42 22nd May 2013, 23:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by SchizoFrog
nothing new to be said about it now if people actually read and thought about what has already been posted.

Now that's just crazy talk reading and thinking! hell I've only just learnt to dress my self :o
Gradius 23rd May 2013, 00:19 Quote
@ssj12: PC are much stronger no doubt (mine included). However the problem lies on optimization, specially all in ASM. Something we don't have it... yet!
SchizoFrog 23rd May 2013, 08:33 Quote
@Corky42 :)
Griffter 23rd May 2013, 08:45 Quote
"xbox... phone Corky42"
Stanley Tweedle 23rd May 2013, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Small reminder about the HW the average PC ( acording to steam user survey) user has a 560 ti or a 7850 or something similar that means both consoles are alot faster than them.

Compare that to people on this forum with tri sli 670s or duel sli 680s and 3 way cfx systems and you can see a gap. Pc gaming is heading towards multi screen high resolution gaming thats the future for pcs.

Most people I know just want to see games improve not the graphics that power them, Another Cod game not exactly top of my shopping list.

As for Direct x it needs to die already but it aint gonna happen, Most of the nvidia graphics demos are not written on direct x but are coded directly to the 680 it was run on or the titan in some cases so its getting alot more performance. AMD do a similar thing with there gpu releases.

The games that have been revealed for both consoles so far have a meh feel about them not so bad so good. Niether console yet has what id call a killer launch title plenty of time for that to change.

If you have something better than DX then that's great. If you're going to suggest something like OpenGL then no.

Also what people want in graphics depends on the style of game. For Battlefield people want maximum visual realism... for minecraft just pleasantly shaded graphics. This idea that great graphics = bad game is just crud. I want the envelope to be pushed for certain types of games. Not every game needs it... I like tower defense games on iPhone that are just simple vector graphics... great fun. I do not want graphics haters holding back certain FPS games because they resent nice graphics and think it must mean bad gameplay.

Wargames European = RTS with good gameplay and great graphics.
Battlefield 3 is visually stunning and it makes the game feel that much more real.

Consoles have done little to benefit games overall. Looking at the latest call of juarez with greatly reduced AI to the point where they stand in open spaces and wait for you to shoot them and xbox buttons pop up telling you to do stuff.

Nah... **** consoles
Corky42 24th May 2013, 15:24 Quote
Seems Microsoft is going to use cloud computing differently than Sony.

how-the-xbox-one-draws-more-processing-power-from-cloud-computing/

Will this even work ?
Dedlite 26th May 2013, 13:06 Quote
I know that a single 28-nanometer chip contains an integrated CPU, GPU, and embedded memory rather than three separate units crammed onto a 90-nm chip in the 360. In fact, a custom SOC (system on a chip) module made by AMD contains the CPU/GPU chip, the memory, the controller logic, the DRAM, and the audio processors, and connects directly to the heat sink via a phase-change interface material. Whew.
Dedlite 26th May 2013, 13:14 Quote
That's what the Xbox One has, that is.
Siwini 26th May 2013, 19:59 Quote
OH NO!
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