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Sony announces PlayStation 4

Sony announces PlayStation 4

One of the titles discussed at the event was Ubisoft's much anticipated WatchDogs which will be heading to the next generation console.

Sony has officially announced its entry into the next console generation, the Playstation 4.

The limited technical specifications revealed show that the next generation console will feature a custom eight-core CPU, a GPU capable of generating 1.84 teraflops of processing power and 8GB of system memory. The GPU and CPU are both being manufactured by AMD.

Announced at a New York press conference, what the machine will look like is still however a mystery, although the new console's controller was discussed.

The Dualshock 4 controller will feature a touchpad on the face of the device and a lightbar built in to the rear to allow its movement to be tracked with a camera. Sony also boasted about the "share" button, allowing players to instantly upload recent footage to social media sites.

There will also be possible integration between Sony's Vita handheld and the next generation console with the Vita being able to function as a second screen and additional contorller.

The Playsation 4 will leverage the cloud technology from Gaikai, a cloud gaming firm which Sony acquired last year for $380m. Players will have the option of allowing their friends to access their consoles in some form of gaming remote assistance to either help them out or simply spectate their progress.

Backwards compatibility appears to be off the cards for the new machine, although Sony is apparently exploring the option of allowing Playstation 3 games to stream on the console through the use of Gaikai's cloud platform. It is unclear if the lack of backward compatibility includes all of Sony's previous consoles or just the Playstation 3.

Titles discussed at the press event included WatchDogs from Ubisoft, Killzone Shadowfall, Infamous: Second Son, Bungie's newly announced Destiny and surprisingly Blizzard's Diablo 3 which will also receive a Playstation 3 port.

A price for the new console was not discussed, but Sony did state that it was aiming for a "holiday 2013" release, implying that the first launches will start in December this year.

This announcement makes Sony the second of the big three to launch its next generation efforts with Nintendo's Wii U being first out of the gate last December. Fans of Microsoft's console will now be eager to hear what's next for the Xbox.

Rumours of specifications of next generation Playstations and Xboxes have been doing the rounds of late with a suggestion that the new machines will work to clamp down on the second-hand game market. Nothing from Sony's announcement has lent any weight behind this suggestion.

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DBA 21st February 2013, 09:41 Quote
"Sony also boasted about the "share" button, allowing players to instantly upload recent footage to social media sites."

It was hard to read the rest of the article after this, since I had to do it through a gigantic facepalm.
barny2767 21st February 2013, 09:49 Quote
"share" button = FB and twatter spam of crappy luck shots and unedited footage. That will be the end of facebook for me as Microsoft will do the same thing now. SUCKS
dr-strangelove 21st February 2013, 10:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by barny2767
"share" button = FB and twatter spam of crappy luck shots and unedited footage. That will be the end of facebook for me as Microsoft will do the same thing now. SUCKS

Hopefully there will be only a month or two of spam before Facebook or Sony make it possible to filter out the junk
will_123 21st February 2013, 10:19 Quote
Will this suffer having 8 really low clocked cores? I assume that’s just to keep the power consumption as low as possible.

The "Share" button is just embarrassing, is this really what people want on their consoles? Didn’t get a Playstation 3 probably wont get this one but looks OK i suppose. Wonder how MS will match up with theirs? When is that rumored to be announced?
DarkFear 21st February 2013, 10:25 Quote
4th paragraph, last word. "contorller" (Or at least I assume that's a typo, but since I don't own a console anymore who knows, maybe that's what the cool kids are calling it nowadays :p)

Here's hoping that we'll see better quality PC ports now that the lowest common denominators are being updated hardware wise...
sotu1 21st February 2013, 10:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by will_123

The "Share" button is just embarrassing, is this really what people want on their consoles?

Agreed, I felt it was overdone and I can see it being overused. Meh, the masses will love it.

Biggest point for me was the new streaming to Vita. Looks interesting if it's pulled off right.
sandys 21st February 2013, 10:48 Quote
It was never a problem when it was included in Just Cause, made for some nice youtube plaback, bit more of an issue in Uncharted when first released as it did spam the entire game but they fixed it.
Eggy 21st February 2013, 10:58 Quote
Just read on EG that the system memory is GDDR5. So 8GB of GDDR5. That is pretty crazy.
lacuna 21st February 2013, 11:11 Quote
As expected the PC crowd are out looking for reasons to hate it.

The PS3 already has facebook integration; that isn't new. My understanding is that the Share function is more about multiplayer gaming than social media, as per the 6th paragraph in the article. That is how it is being reported elsewhere anyway.
Eggy 21st February 2013, 11:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
As expected the PC crowd are out looking for reasons to hate it.

The PS3 already has facebook integration; that isn't new. My understanding is that the Share function is more about multiplayer gaming than social media, as per the 6th paragraph in the article. That is how it is being reported elsewhere anyway.
Apparently the streaming is kinda like twitch streaming a lot of people do these days but it's all fully integrated so that is definitely a good social feature. I suspect that this will all be behind a pay wall. Online gaming will be free but these advanced sharing features will likely be part of the PS+ subscription.

Still curious about the price though, 8 GB of GDDR5 doesn't come cheap and I don't think Sony has the means to sell this console at a heavy loss.
Blademrk 21st February 2013, 11:39 Quote
Yeah I think it was more of a share with other PS4 gamers.
Cei 21st February 2013, 11:53 Quote
8GB of GDDR5 doesn't come cheap, but it becomes significantly cheaper when you order it in quantities of over 50,000,000 units. Sony will be able to leverage bulk buying on this one to bring prices way down.
sotu1 21st February 2013, 11:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by lacuna
As expected the PC crowd are out looking for reasons to hate it.

We're an elitist bunch of a**holes aren't we ;)

I don't hate it, quite like it, but not enough info to make a sound judgement yet.

Not surprised there's a lot of Diablo 3/Blizzard hate - D3 is a super hardcore bunch who were let down by D3 PC
Spreadie 21st February 2013, 12:11 Quote
Kudos to Sony for conspiring to kill Facebook and Twitter with video spam - best news ever.

The PS4 will still be pants though. :p
Blackshark 21st February 2013, 12:16 Quote
Grumpy old git also concurs that if you are in your teens, a SHARE button will make you wet your underware. If you older, it merely makes us grind our teeth in to powder.
sandys 21st February 2013, 12:19 Quote
Probably the only thing that would stop me buying right away is lack of backwards compatibility, I have a huge gaming backlog on PS3, with PS3 launch I bought the odd PS3 title but mainly played old PS2 games I was catching up on, I wouldn't have this option so would probably be a while before I jump ship.

Don't have space for more boxes in my cabinet, it's one out, one in.
fdbh96 21st February 2013, 12:39 Quote
This sounds pretty cool, the part where you can stream a game easily is quite cool, especially when a friend can join in. Also I have been increasingly using my ps3 as a media centre, so all the new features and power will make it much better for that use.
r3loaded 21st February 2013, 13:16 Quote
The GPU part is really impressive - the quoted 1.8 teraflops figure would place its performance between a Radeon 7850 and 7870. Very comparable to a mid-range PC graphics card. The 8GB of GDDR5 also means we won't be stuck with half-assed low-res textures in games ported over from consoles, and the x86 design means a lot more common code between the two.

As a PC gamer with no interest in consoles, the PS4 should be a good thing overall for the games industry :)
Corky42 21st February 2013, 13:25 Quote
rollo 21st February 2013, 13:34 Quote
Not really sure why sony needed to say that at all as they have never said they would block them in the first place. Was mostly heresay from xbox fans who are wondering if MS Will do the very thing sony has said no to.
law99 21st February 2013, 13:44 Quote
Wow... I feel slightly vindicated in things I've said to people in the past now.

1. Usual memory capacity increase in-line with previous generational jumps

2. AND this is WAY more important than people realise - Unified Memory Architecture. The previous NUMA was pretty much one of the largest bane of ports from 360 to the PS3 despite what people said about Cell. Although Cell wouldn't have helped :D
faugusztin 21st February 2013, 13:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by rollo
Not really sure why sony needed to say that at all as they have never said they would block them in the first place. Was mostly heresay from xbox fans who are wondering if MS Will do the very thing sony has said no to.

Because SONY has a patent (application) for that :
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2013/0007892.html
Hustler 21st February 2013, 14:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by r3loaded
The GPU part is really impressive - the quoted 1.8 teraflops figure would place its performance between a Radeon 7850 and 7870. Very comparable to a mid-range PC graphics card.:)

Yeah but with no PC overheads to worry about, it should perform better than a 7870, probably closer to those limited edition 7870's which are failed 7950's.

..and that 8Gb of GDDR5 is very impressive.
Panos 21st February 2013, 14:03 Quote
GOOD NEWS!!!!

Because PS4 & Xbox 720 going to be just x86-64 multicore machines, with standard DX11 GPU, (4 years old PC specs it seems), means us PC games will get 64bit, multicore, DX11 games also. After waiting 10 years :P
rollo 21st February 2013, 14:16 Quote
Sony has had a patent application faug since before the ps3 was made, the Microsoft one is alot more recent.
veato 21st February 2013, 14:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Panos
GOOD NEWS!!!!

Because PS4 & Xbox 720 going to be just x86-64 multicore machines, with standard DX11 GPU, (4 years old PC specs it seems), means us PC games will get 64bit, multicore, DX11 games also. After waiting 10 years :P

How is it 4 year old PC spec? The AMD "Jaguar" architecture is yet to be released in the mainstream by AMD and the 8GB GDDR5 and GPU specs certainly aren't 4 years old.
8-BALL 21st February 2013, 14:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Corky42
Apparently Sony will NOT block second hand games

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

More than likely true. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the likes of EA, Activision and any other publisher will do their best. Think single use activation codes with all games, so even if you buy a used disc, you still have to buy a new activation code. In fact, that's already the case for most online multiplayer games. I see the Publisher as the true evil in this arrangement we have.
8-BALL 21st February 2013, 14:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Blackshark
Grumpy old git also concurs that if you are in your teens, a SHARE button will make you wet your underware. If you older, it merely makes us grind our teeth in to powder.

Not bothered about the sharing functionality. At all.

BUT, buffering of the last (unknown number of) minutes of gameplay which at the touch of a button can be hardware encoded in the background while you're still playing? As a Battlefield gamer first and foremost, this is good news, since DICE didn't see fit to treat us to Battlerecorder.
Ayrto 21st February 2013, 14:50 Quote
It's pretty good all in all really. The 8GB GDDR5 being the highlight , it was rumoured to have 4GB but devs like Crytek were demanding 8 [ if you believe the reports] and they got it. The PS4 OS has a very small footprint too , so that memory should be available . The GPU could be better, but remember the target isn't 2560x1440 PC monitors, or tri-monitor setups, it's a home TV at 1080p or 720p @ 60/30fps. As for the games they previewed, it's clearly a major step up .

The key thing though is that the architecture is very PC friendly, ports with a few extra quality notches could look incredible.
kenco_uk 21st February 2013, 14:54 Quote
8GB - I wonder if this means the PS4 will be 4k ready?
law99 21st February 2013, 15:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by Panos
GOOD NEWS!!!!

Because PS4 & Xbox 720 going to be just x86-64 multicore machines, with standard DX11 GPU, (4 years old PC specs it seems), means us PC games will get 64bit, multicore, DX11 games also. After waiting 10 years :P

Why do you think there is going to be DX11 games? You know that it's most likely going to be OpenGL type instead right? They aren't just giving you a PC here in disguise as much as the design has converged in your eyes.

In a way it is further from the PC than before what with the new memory architecture. It's just that x86 has got you all excited.

The fact being thought that it is going help linux, and dare I say it, mac gaming more than windows gaming I'd imagine.

So I'm not sure what you've waited 10 years for. You had a PC all this time surely? And there was no law about owning one platform was there?
sandys 21st February 2013, 15:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by kenco_uk
8GB - I wonder if this means the PS4 will be 4k ready?

I thought it was supposed to be, thought I imagine it would be a similar state to 1080p gaming on current consoles, wonder if Sony have a scaler this time around?
Tokukachi 21st February 2013, 15:55 Quote
No way is it going to run at 4K, the GPU will be able to run 1080p at 60fps, which is still a massive step up from 720p (or 560p in Cod's case) at 30fps.
Spreadie 21st February 2013, 16:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by kenco_uk
8GB - I wonder if this means the PS4 will be 4k ready?

8Gb is total memory available, yes? Then I doubt it.

I know it's not apples to apples, but that's like expecting a modern PC with a 2GB GPU and 6GB RAM to run 4K.
rollo 21st February 2013, 16:07 Quote
Yep 1080p 60fps with some eye candy turned on most likely.

You will get the odd game that looks awesome in a few years after release.

There is no Api overhead on consoles, they are all coded to hardware so its not going to help or hinder development of pc games.

Developers on the pc side have seen games like wow and Diablo 3 sell millions of copy's by catering the lowest commen denominator.

There is less than 10 64bit exe games less than half of them come with it as standard.

32bit games will be the norm till windows 64bit becomes the default OS which we are still 3-4 years away from as xp still has half the market.
Ayrto 21st February 2013, 16:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Spreadie
8Gb is total memory available, yes? Then I doubt it.

I know it's not apples to apples, but that's like expecting a modern PC with a 2GB GPU and 6GB RAM to run 4K.

That was never the intention though, was it? The intention was to offer 4k support for movies, which is possible. It'll probably take Maxwell to drive that many pixels at a playable framerate in a game, as even the best current PC cards can only do it at meagre frame rates on high settings.
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Originally Posted by rollo
Yep 1080p 60fps with some eye candy turned on most likely.

You will get the odd game that looks awesome in a few years after release.

There is no Api overhead on consoles, they are all coded to hardware so its not going to help or hinder development of pc games.

Developers on the pc side have seen games like wow and Diablo 3 sell millions of copy's by catering the lowest commen denominator.

There is less than 10 64bit exe games less than half of them come with it as standard.

32bit games will be the norm till windows 64bit becomes the default OS which we are still 3-4 years away from as xp still has half the market.

9.66% running XP in latest Steam HW (Jan 2013) survey . 64 bit users above 65% and over 50% have 4GB or greater system ram . They will probably start releasing with the 64bit exe now. They'll probably have to if the PC games aren't to look worse than the console versions.
Somer_Himpson 21st February 2013, 17:59 Quote
It will catch up with a mid-range PC for about 40 seconds and then start lagging behind as every other non-upgradeable console has and will do until the end of time.
Gradius 21st February 2013, 18:49 Quote
Not getting one, even if it were for free (no kidding).
faugusztin 21st February 2013, 18:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by Somer_Himpson
It will catch up with a mid-range PC for about 40 seconds and then start lagging behind as every other non-upgradeable console has and will do until the end of time.

Pretty much, with the hardware it got it will be able to keep up to sometime around 2015-2016, then we either get PS5 or the "bad console ports" argument over again. Unfortunately, PS4 will be with us until 2018-2019.
Harlequin 21st February 2013, 18:56 Quote
an no one in the console world actually cares about pc forums - PS3 owners in the demographic are looking forward to this.
SirFur 21st February 2013, 22:43 Quote
Hi guys,

I'm a bit behind current gen PC specs at the moment. I'm curious to know how this PS4 compares with what's on the PC market and the upcoming releases. I did read about the GTX Titan, but I'm interested to know where this console lies on the current scheme of things. PS3 when it came out was I think two maybe more years behind in terms of GPU technology (as far as I remember at least) and well I thing PC Games have suffered as a result having poor ports and poor implementation of PC-spec games because it was more profitable to make console games with less demanding mechanics.
Harlequin 21st February 2013, 23:18 Quote
gpu wise it has what is pretty much a 7970m part (roughly desktop wise between a 7850 and 7870)


cpu wise ; well since sony pulled a fast one with the ram (rumour said 4GB , sony said 8GB) , the rumour mill says an octo core AMD `Jaguar` @ 1.6ghz , but as with the ram , it could very well come clocked in higher
SirFur 21st February 2013, 23:44 Quote
So essentially its current gen stuff, and not 'next-gen' stuff. I suppose though its better than the PS3 launch which was already years behind before it launched.
sandys 22nd February 2013, 00:30 Quote
Shop.to have just sent out pre-order @ £399.85 seems reasonable, considering 3s launch price and the price of WiiU.
lacuna 22nd February 2013, 12:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by SirFur
So essentially its current gen stuff, and not 'next-gen' stuff. I suppose though its better than the PS3 launch which was already years behind before it launched.

Current generation is the PS3, next generation is the PS4. It would be a tall order to power the console with technology that doesn't exist yet.
ShinyAli 22nd February 2013, 13:53 Quote
I don't hate consoles, had a few of them but when Sony described the machine as being like a "supercharged PC". Mmm, really, so about equivalent to a £350-450 PC with the spec they quote

"Apparently Sony will NOT block second hand games" this is something that all game makers should be made to adhere to especially with games sold through that pile of sh*t that is Steam who refuse to activate a game more than once so totally killing used games, this is done I assume because the game makers have demanded it?

The last console I bought was a PS2 and since PC gaming I'm not interested in them as a mouse and k/board is way better than pad but, if in the future the only way to play used games is via a console then I might just be tempted, it's not just that I only buy used games but I happen to think it's pretty outrageous that a perfectly good used game is rendered useless and worthless because game makers have declared it can't be reactivated and the extra game content needed to play the game can't be d/loaded, it's such a shi**y attitude >:(

I have discovered that you can actually use a decent gaming k/board and mouse on an Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 (and probably future consoles) by using a XIM3 console input adapter, interesting

Ozmor-GxXiE
LightningPete 9th March 2013, 23:39 Quote
I seem very underwhelmed by this. Maybe its because the technology used is likely some stupid thing they declared last time with PS3 having ''8 cores'' when really it was 1 core with 7 theoretical ones. Or maybe its because even today we don't come close to using 8GB of RAM in any game even on a PC. It seems boosting it with 8GB of RAM (because RAM is cheap as chips still) to make it sound fast when it isnt. Finally its going to be an APU likely from AMD which by PC gaming standards to compare is good for budget system but nothing spectacular. It seems though PC gaming is in decline due to economical reasons perhaps or otherwise, but ARMA2 and ARMA3 and even Crysis look, feel and play something PS3 and probably even the PS4 can only imagine. I think CGI and a bit of ''shiny shiny'' on the graphics will make it seem better when in hindsight it is not.
fdbh96 10th March 2013, 00:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by LightningPete
I seem very underwhelmed by this. Maybe its because the technology used is likely some stupid thing they declared last time with PS3 having ''8 cores'' when really it was 1 core with 7 theoretical ones. Or maybe its because even today we don't come close to using 8GB of RAM in any game even on a PC. It seems boosting it with 8GB of RAM (because RAM is cheap as chips still) to make it sound fast when it isnt. Finally its going to be an APU likely from AMD which by PC gaming standards to compare is good for budget system but nothing spectacular. It seems though PC gaming is in decline due to economical reasons perhaps or otherwise, but ARMA2 and ARMA3 and even Crysis look, feel and play something PS3 and probably even the PS4 can only imagine. I think CGI and a bit of ''shiny shiny'' on the graphics will make it seem better when in hindsight it is not.

1. It probably will have 8 cores, AMD even make a chip with 8 cores now anyway
2. We don't use 8GB on PC because consoles don't have 8GB and many pc's also don't.
3. 8GB of GDDR5 memory probably won't come cheap to sony. The gtx titan 'only' has 6GB although that it all for the GPU.

But PC games will still look better, but you'll have to pay much more than now to beat it.
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