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Battlefield 3 beta gets 64-player Caspian Border this weekend

Battlefield 3 beta gets 64-player Caspian Border this weekend

Caspian Border, including its jets, tanks and other vehicles, will be free to play this weekend.

A DICE and EA representative has announced that the Battlefield 3 beta will be opened up to include a higher 64-player cap and the Caspian Border map this weekend.

The extension, which only applies to PC participants of the beta due to the 64-player cap not being supported by the PS3 or Xbox 360 versions, is designed to stress EA's servers. However, it will also enable players to finally, and legitimately, try out BF3's vehicles, including tanks, jets and UAVs.

As the game is still very much in the beta stage, though, EA is keen to reinforce that 'users may experience crashes, network instability and outages as we roll out and configure servers and network utilities. Understand that such potential issues and the testing environment are not reflective or indicative of the final product and that, through your participation, you will be helping to ensure future stability and functionality.'

You'll need to be quick if you want to give the game a try for free though, as the beta ends on Monday 10 October. After that, you'll have to wait for the game's release date on 25 October.

Are you excited about finally trying out BF3 with vehicles, or frustrated that Caspian Border wasn't included in the beta from the beginning? Either way, let us know in the forums.

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Tsung 7th October 2011, 13:07 Quote
Already un-installed it so wont be bothering to test caspian border map this weekend. If EA has an issue with players judging the final game on the strength of the beta they have the power to release a more complete "improved" version (call it a Demo if they wish). :P
wuyanxu 7th October 2011, 13:08 Quote
cheesecake party on the antenna tower at Caspian! :D
Jack_Pepsi 7th October 2011, 13:12 Quote
Finally!

I played about 30 seconds of CB before the servers closed. Lookin' forward to it. Operation Metro is incredibly annoying now.
runadumb 7th October 2011, 13:16 Quote
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
WildThing 7th October 2011, 13:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jack_Pepsi
Finally!

I played about 30 seconds of CB before the servers closed. Lookin' forward to it. Operation Metro is incredibly annoying now.

+1 I never even got in to a server, can't wait for this!
will_123 7th October 2011, 13:20 Quote
bang tidy
MiT 7th October 2011, 13:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
cheesecake party on the antenna tower at Caspian! :D

I wanna come to the party!! :'(

Weekend sorted then, might have to hook up a dodge mic i got.
GravitySmacked 7th October 2011, 13:29 Quote
I'm going to play the crap out of it.
Shadowed_fury 7th October 2011, 13:44 Quote
oh wow I won't be playing anything else this weekend then! :D
Redbeaver 7th October 2011, 13:57 Quote
GAWDDARNIT AND IM AT WORK >:(

/sad

oh btw, ive been using the UAV Metro park stage, so......
mongpong 7th October 2011, 14:07 Quote
this has made my pants moist
TheLegendJoe 7th October 2011, 14:25 Quote
And I thought I had nothing to do on sunday, hoooah as they say on 'battlelog'
runadumb 7th October 2011, 14:25 Quote
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.
XXAOSICXX 7th October 2011, 14:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.

Did you notice any squad management in conquest mode on CB or is it still "join/find" and nothing else?
runadumb 7th October 2011, 14:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.

Did you notice any squad management in conquest mode on CB or is it still "join/find" and nothing else?

Didn't notice any difference. I will have a proper look when I play with a mate later as that is when I will care.
mongpong 7th October 2011, 14:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.

Did you notice any squad management in conquest mode on CB or is it still "join/find" and nothing else?
Just to let you know that DICE has now confirmed ingame Squad Management for the full release...it just didn;t make it to the Beta. http://www.enterbf3.com/viewtopic.php?t=4967&sid=0a51ba5e89657bdfd4a45d35676f0622
kelvinb 7th October 2011, 14:58 Quote
Im going to give it a shot could be the decider for me if i buy it or not
XXAOSICXX 7th October 2011, 15:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by mongpong
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.

Did you notice any squad management in conquest mode on CB or is it still "join/find" and nothing else?
Just to let you know that DICE has now confirmed ingame Squad Management for the full release...it just didn;t make it to the Beta. http://www.enterbf3.com/viewtopic.php?t=4967&sid=0a51ba5e89657bdfd4a45d35676f0622

Thank YOU!
BrightCandle 7th October 2011, 15:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by mongpong
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Originally Posted by XXAOSICXX
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Originally Posted by runadumb
Just tried it. Got really bad lag on one server, okayish lag on another and huge GFX glitches on both. Still, this is what I want from a battlefield game.

I just wish for once dice could have a server that's browser pings = ingame ping. Its so annoying.

Did you notice any squad management in conquest mode on CB or is it still "join/find" and nothing else?
Just to let you know that DICE has now confirmed ingame Squad Management for the full release...it just didn;t make it to the Beta. http://www.enterbf3.com/viewtopic.php?t=4967&sid=0a51ba5e89657bdfd4a45d35676f0622

The problem is that in this case the "beta" is actually a pre game demo. Its the only thing we have to go on about the quality of the final product. The huge list of bugs, none of which have been fixed during the beta, do not give me and confidence in the product, infact its made me very worried.

What is a gamer to do? I have to assume based on the demos its going to be an incredibly buggy COD clone. Confirming that something is going to fixed doesn't show me that they actually get the problem, or that they are going to fix the literally vast list of technical problems the game continues to have.

Do you trust them?! I don't.
Krazeh 7th October 2011, 16:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by BrightCandle
The problem is that in this case the "beta" is actually a pre game demo. Its the only thing we have to go on about the quality of the final product. The huge list of bugs, none of which have been fixed during the beta, do not give me and confidence in the product, infact its made me very worried.

What is a gamer to do? I have to assume based on the demos its going to be an incredibly buggy COD clone. Confirming that something is going to fixed doesn't show me that they actually get the problem, or that they are going to fix the literally vast list of technical problems the game continues to have.

Do you trust them?! I don't.

The bugs were never going to get fixed during the beta. The point of the beta was to test the back end services, not bug test a client that was a month or so old by the time we got our hands on it. Had it been a PC only beta test then it might have been a different situation but by rolling it out across PC, XBox and PS3 it meant Dice were constrained by the need to have their beta build go thru MS and Sony's validation processes before it could be released on their networks and that's something which takes time. Which means that the beta client was always going to be an old build and wasn't likely to recieve any sort of updates in the short period the beta was on.
sotu1 7th October 2011, 16:48 Quote
Balls! Finally get a PC together and I'm away for the wkend!
feathers 7th October 2011, 16:49 Quote
Some people are quite dumb. DICE is one company that works hard to deliver quality. SLI support from the word go, latest DX FX and a game that pushes your hardware. They don't release generic console ports. They don't release games designed first and foremost for the lowest spec systems (consoles).
metalgearhathaway 7th October 2011, 16:58 Quote
Agreed. This is one franchise even EA have not been able to spoil.

Caspian Border is a must play for all dedicated BF2 players, finally we get to see how the game will be favourable to us old timers!
Mr Happy 7th October 2011, 17:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by kelvinb
Im going to give it a shot could be the decider for me if i buy it or not
Apocalypso 7th October 2011, 17:06 Quote
Hurrah!
Faulk_Wulf 7th October 2011, 17:51 Quote
What a joke. No console love? Mag supported 128*128. Youre telling me they couldn't figure out 32*32? And what about the 360? They want this to compete with MW3 but can't even show the console crowd the main reason its better? Pathetic. What a waste of time and money.
Krazeh 7th October 2011, 17:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Faulk_Wulf
What a joke. No console love? Mag supported 128*128. Youre telling me they couldn't figure out 32*32?

And does Mag let you blow up most of the environment? Do you really think Dice wouldn't have loved to have had bigger teams available on console versions as well as the PC?
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Originally Posted by Faulk_Wulf
And what about the 360? They want this to compete with MW3 but can't even show the console crowd the main reason its better? Pathetic. What a waste of time and money.

Well aside from the limitations of the console itself Caspian Border was never included in the download made available for the 360 or PS3, it was only included in the PC download. And exactly what time and money has been wasted?
feathers 7th October 2011, 17:57 Quote
This is one of the very few games built for PC first so perhaps u should get over it and build yourself a PC?

I don't want to hear that a PC is way more expensive, that's a myth. Initially outlay may be more but once you have your PC u can upgrade individual parts and sell the old bits to offset the cost. I would hate to play a fast FPS with a joystick/thumb stick. That's just wrong.
Bazz 7th October 2011, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers
This is one of the very few games built for PC first so perhaps u should get over it and build yourself a PC?

I don't want to hear that a PC is way more expensive, that's a myth. Initially outlay may be more but once you have your PC u can upgrade individual parts and sell the old bits to offset the cost. I would hate to play a fast FPS with a joystick/thumb stick. That's just wrong.

+1 for sure, in my mind consoles are for people that can't handle multiple things at any one time, like multi-tacking, something you need to do in games nowadays
G0UDG 7th October 2011, 18:30 Quote
Looking at the videos this game looks like a clone mix of COD and BC2 I;ll play it but if it turns out to be just that then its gone from my pc for good as BC2 and COD are not to my taste,rush mode for me is boring as hell just hope its not in the final finished product, but then I suppose I have the choice to play or not to play rush I guess
Shadowed_fury 7th October 2011, 19:39 Quote
Wow. That is fun. Runs nicely on mine too, shocked :D
MiNiMaL_FuSS 7th October 2011, 23:29 Quote
Rush has been pretty awful, it plays like COD...run and gun...BC2 had far more squad and team play which made the game much more realistic. The beta so far feels like pandering to console kiddies by making the game a simple shooter with little in the way of tactics, teamwork and planning.

Hopefully conquest will go some-way toward fixing this, as will the final release.

Otherwise there will be no winner to the COD/BF battle...both sides will have lost.
Landy_Ed 8th October 2011, 00:26 Quote
just came off a quick peek - very very laggy on the server I was on, made it unplayable at times.
aLtikal 8th October 2011, 01:21 Quote
I just came off a server which was no lag atall. Although theres an awfull lot of anti air so helicopters dont last atall. Also despite being a very good pilot in BC2 i cant get the helicopters to swivel left and right atall so adjusting your aim is near impossible without having to sway the whole heli left/right.

Very fun though..caspian border seems like a fairly small map for a 64player though. I found that your pretty much getting shot from AA nomatter where you are in the air which is slightly annoying.
metarinka 8th October 2011, 03:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS
Rush has been pretty awful, it plays like COD...run and gun...BC2 had far more squad and team play which made the game much more realistic. The beta so far feels like pandering to console kiddies by making the game a simple shooter with little in the way of tactics, teamwork and planning.

Hopefully conquest will go some-way toward fixing this, as will the final release.

Otherwise there will be no winner to the COD/BF battle...both sides will have lost.

QQ more, Rush was a gameplay mode taken from MoH where it was fairly popular, and highly tactical., objective gameplay is not my favorite but metro rush had it's moments, and at least I know one map very well now. the COD style gameplay isn't "simpler" in many ways the gun play was more indepth and tailored very well for infantry only gameplay. BF3 will be fun, save for all the spawn-kill instapwns by a tank when you're a recon or assault and can do 0 damage to it.

I played BF2 big time and it brings back a lot of the memories, of course all the old modes such as deathmatch and conquest will be back. squad and teamplay isa two edged sword. Oddles of fun if you had 3 like minded and equally skilled friends. Painful if you were playing solo against a team with 1 or 2 squads that played together.

Unfortunately on the internets most people are playing by themselves and squad play is at a minimum.
runadumb 8th October 2011, 10:37 Quote
Found a server that doesn't have a ping of 52 million billion. Tons of fun. I'm definitely buying it.

I do hate the server browser though. You can't even have a server auto start whenever its full. Bah. Waiting for a free space in my good server now :(
DriftCarl 8th October 2011, 10:41 Quote
played a few hours of the map yesterday evening, it is huge, as big as if not bigger than some zones in WoW(for size comparison purposes only). Obviously the queue for the jets was quite big but I managed to get into a few of them, pretty easy to fly. They do look a bit slow when you see them flying around though but I guess that's expected.
The detail of the map is simply fantastic, I like the fact that its hard to spot people, it prevents you running into an area without properly looking around, you should be taking peeks round corners and checking out whats there before you commit yourself to running across a huge open area.

I cant wait to play the full game.
abezors 8th October 2011, 11:34 Quote
Each server I tried yesterday was too laggy to play (due to stress tests), but got a good feel of the map nonetheless. Feels like a different game altogether from Rush Op Metro.

Also anyone reckon this map would also be good infantry only? Or maybe that's just me.. I like the idea of a full team of 32 players charging across the fields when the game starts...

Now just hoping for 2 seater jets.
wuyanxu 8th October 2011, 13:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by metarinka
Rush was a gameplay mode taken from MoH where it was fairly popular

think you got to re-do your research. Rush started in BFBC1, on the consoles because Conquest confuses those kids and there can only be 2 objectives.


the major problem i have with BF3 at the moment is it's way too hard to see people. almost all of my death are from people hiding in a bush.

this game seems to punish those who dare to go for the objective/flags. rewards those who camp in a bush.
billysielu 8th October 2011, 14:16 Quote
This map is too big - I walked around for an hour and found nobody to kill.
XXAOSICXX 8th October 2011, 14:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by billysielu
This map is too big - I walked around for an hour and found nobody to kill.

You did remember to join a server right? Walking around in RL won't get you anywhere ;)
MickyTek 8th October 2011, 15:29 Quote
I played both Beta's and the game is a load of crap, Not touching anymore EA games, Have Medal of Honor and the new Battfield Bad company 2 and they are all the same, I do not like any of them, RIP Battfield 2 you will be missed because EA have ruined you completely.
E_Spaghetti 8th October 2011, 16:39 Quote
Anyone else think the graphics are a step backward from bfbc2?
Ultra settings, aa way, up 1920x1200. I played with it for awhile and couldn't make it look good.
Saivert 8th October 2011, 17:11 Quote
I pre-purchased it a couple weeks ago. And the only thing stopping me from enjoying the game is a pretty crappy computer (dual core, GTX 260). So I need to build a new computer soon. But I wonder if I should wait till next year. But that seems to be a long wait. There is always new stuff around the corner...
Also most motherboards seems very samey. Hard to pick anything when everything looks the same. Picking CPU, GPU and PSU is far easier task.
XXAOSICXX 8th October 2011, 19:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by E_Spaghetti
Anyone else think the graphics are a step backward from bfbc2?
Ultra settings, aa way, up 1920x1200. I played with it for awhile and couldn't make it look good.

Brian: There's no pleasing some people.
Ex-Leper: That's just what Jesus said, sir.
MiT 8th October 2011, 19:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu

the major problem i have with BF3 at the moment is it's way too hard to see people. almost all of my death are from people hiding in a bush.

this game seems to punish those who dare to go for the objective/flags. rewards those who camp in a bush.

just don't try throwing a grenade from the bush!! lol
(am sure they will fix that bug, well they better)
brave758 8th October 2011, 21:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
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Originally Posted by metarinka
Rush was a gameplay mode taken from MoH where it was fairly popular

think you got to re-do your research. Rush started in BFBC1, on the consoles because Conquest confuses those kids and there can only be 2 objectives.


the major problem i have with BF3 at the moment is it's way too hard to see people. almost all of my death are from people hiding in a bush.

this game seems to punish those who dare to go for the objective/flags. rewards those who camp in a bush.

Mate i like gives it the more real feel you can still make the push with a good squad and pairs fire manenuver. So far i like very much looking forward to the full release
metalgearhathaway 9th October 2011, 01:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by metarinka
I played BF2 big time and it brings back a lot of the memories, of course all the old modes such as deathmatch and conquest will be back. squad and teamplay isa two edged sword. Oddles of fun if you had 3 like minded and equally skilled friends. Painful if you were playing solo against a team with 1 or 2 squads that played together.

Unfortunately on the internets most people are playing by themselves and squad play is at a minimum.

Give the game 2-3 months for the lamers to have had some fun and with luck we'll be left with a game that provides BF2 like staying power, every extra month that goes by will see the user base become more skilled and those lamers will naturally disperse elsewhere. I don't see it being a problem, not any Pc anyways, the stupid ratio thankfully is nothing like the console state of online play :-)
metarinka 9th October 2011, 01:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
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Originally Posted by metarinka
Rush was a gameplay mode taken from MoH where it was fairly popular

think you got to re-do your research. Rush started in BFBC1, on the consoles because Conquest confuses those kids and there can only be 2 objectives.


the major problem i have with BF3 at the moment is it's way too hard to see people. almost all of my death are from people hiding in a bush.

this game seems to punish those who dare to go for the objective/flags. rewards those who camp in a bush.

well if you Re-re-do your research you'll realize that game mode is really a carry over of other objective based FPS' such as the original Day of Defeat, unreal tournament, and return to castle wolfenstein, I brought up MoH because that was a recent example and I recall one of the dev's citing it.
Aracos 9th October 2011, 03:19 Quote
So much elitism in this thread, seriously people just because someone games on a console doesn't make them any less intelligent or any different than PC gamers, I mean god forbid someone actually likes to play on a joypad in a nice recliner practically horizontal instead of being hunched up at a desk. Yes the PC is more immersive but so what, if someone prefers to play a game a certain way just let them, there's a reason console gamers think PC gamers are elitist snobs, it's because they get looked down upon as lesser beings. Can't we all just accept that and move away from such snobbery? I'm sick to death of having to defend my PC gaming brethren when the majority are actually elitist.

@feathers you may want to correct your argument, the initial cost is vastly increased and upgrades just increase that further, the only thing that changes is the fact that our PC games are usually £10 cheaper RRP and fall in price quicker which is what offsets the initial and upgrade cost ;)
thefriscokid 9th October 2011, 03:29 Quote
^ Well spoken sir, have a cookie and some rep!
runadumb 9th October 2011, 10:08 Quote
I'm not "hunched " over my desk. I'm sitting back on my comfy computer chair.

I've been playing it on both PC (with 3 screens) and ps3. The difference is huge both in graphics and playstyles I've enjoyed both though. It's a shame the unlocks don't carry over as both versions are tied to the same account. I hate this trend for unlocking everything. Gives long time players a big advantage over new player's. Weirdly the console players are the only ones using mic's in my experience. Shame they only use it to play **** music or be annoying.

Funnily enough the mate I'm playing with on ps3 is looking to buy a PC. Im encouraging him ;)
Aracos 9th October 2011, 13:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by runadumb
I'm not "hunched " over my desk. I'm sitting back on my comfy computer chair.

You missed my point, I just meant it's a different experience playing games on the PC versus console, at least by my experience.
metalgearhathaway 9th October 2011, 18:34 Quote
Who cares how the price of the pc is justified, it has so many other benefits other than just gaming so the cost is relatively low as long as you make the most of the Pc with other interests and jobs.

It is nice of Dice to look after the console market, they've done pretty well for them really, its about time the emphasis went back to PC on an occasion. Simple thing is the current generation consoles are so old already in terms of hardware, that any half decent programmer would have nothing left to accomplish on them and without a challenge to programmers go stale and lose interest.

What makes me laugh is the console gamers have been so busy fighting it out whether an 360 release was better than a PS3 release, which lets face it their pretty similar most times, that when an actual superior PC version comes along they don't know what to do with themselves ;-)

I own a PS3, it works nicely with my media server, nice little divx/picture viewer box it is too! I even play some of the exclusives, but with most games being only 720P and often lower, generally no fsaa, i prefer the fidelity of a pc title, its a as simple that.
chimaera 9th October 2011, 20:23 Quote
Spent much of the weekend playing this - was a lot of fun :)

Did find one really annoying issue with Battlelog though - notifications don't seem to come through, which makes joining parties, responding to game invites and doing the party join stuff is a nightmare. Works fine for some of the other guys I play with and not for others. Very annoying.
slothy89 10th October 2011, 03:58 Quote
No reason you can't hook an xbox controller up to your PC ;) just saying.

And the guy whinging that ultra didn't give him a face full of eye candy, graphics were needed in the beta, ultra gave you med/high at best. Expect uber eye candy in two weeks ;)
mongpong 10th October 2011, 08:53 Quote
Well - played a few hours of Caspian Border over the weekend. A few lag issues on some servers and got chucked out of a few randomly (connection lost?) but when it worked....it was awesome! I was impressed by the gameplay more than anything when the Beta opened originally but got bored of Metro map almost immediately....it's simply not a Battlefield map. Too close, no vehicles...can't see me playing this much when it's released. But this may also be because Caspian Border is sooooooo much better. Now this is a Battlefield map. Huge, well designed, great detail, sprawling when it needs to be but tight and chaotic in the hotspots (bases)...brilliant.


Managed to fly a jet (spawned in one) and it was fun. Slow, but they need to be in order to not be unkillable by ground forces - never seemed to go out of bounds which is a good thing and it was ace seeing the action taking place down below. I smacked into the antenna after trying to take down a tank (fail!) so had to bail but enjoyed it immensely.

Loving the trees shaking from heavy artillery...really adds to the whole spectacle and also lets you know when tanks are nearby if they've not been spotted.

Anyways...great map....sooooo much better than Metro imo. Should of released this map along with the Beta test warning dialogue (not 100% finished etc, stress testing) at the start and maybe they would of had less people cancel their pre-orders. I wander how many people have cancelled? Would be interested by the figures.
yassarikhan786 10th October 2011, 09:37 Quote
Played a few hours over the weekend and I very much enjoyed it, so much so that I will likely not play metro again :)
sotu1 10th October 2011, 10:55 Quote
Caspian is good....BUT I AM SO BAD AT IT. Can't handle the wide open spaces! Like I'm agoraphobic or something! Sticking to Metro ;)
mongpong 10th October 2011, 11:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by sotu1
Caspian is good....BUT I AM SO BAD AT IT. Can't handle the wide open spaces! Like I'm agoraphobic or something! Sticking to Metro ;)

Hmm - i think Metro is in the minortiy come full release in terms of size of map...Battlefield maps in general tend to be pretty big and open. You'll get used to the bigger maps though, just takes a different style of playing.
Aracos 10th October 2011, 13:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by slothy89
No reason you can't hook an xbox controller up to your PC ;) just saying.

And the guy whinging that ultra didn't give him a face full of eye candy, graphics were needed in the beta, ultra gave you med/high at best. Expect uber eye candy in two weeks ;)

And even then it still looks bloody good now, gives my 6950 a workout :D
XXAOSICXX 10th October 2011, 19:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Aracos
there's a reason console gamers think PC gamers are elitist snobs, it's because they get looked down upon as lesser beings.

They are lesser beings ;)
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