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iPhone 4S announced

iPhone 4S announced

Apple has announced a new iPhone model, the iPhone 4S, and teased iOS 5.

Apple has announced a new model of iPhone, dubbed the iPhone 4S, which debuts a number of new hardware features over existing models.

The iPhone 4S looks identical to the existing iPhone 4, but sports the same A5 chip as the iPad 2, a dual-core processor and an improved 8 megapixel camera that can capture 1080p video.

The new iPhone 4S processor is twice as fast as the iPhone 4, says Apple, while the graphics hardware is several magnitudes faster than existing models.

New iPhone 4S features also include a 'virtual assistant' called Siri which can respond to voice commands such as 'Find me a restaurant near XXXX', as well as transcribing voice notes. To start with Siri will only support English, German and French - but more languages are on the way.

The iPhone 4S release date is set at 14 October in America, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, Japan and the UK, with black and white models available to pre-order from Friday.

As usual, prices break down based on storage size. A 16GB iPhone 4S will set you back $199 USD, while a 32GB and 64GB iPhone 4S will cost $299 USD and $399 USD respectively with two-year contracts. UK prices are yet to be announced.

Existing iPhone models will be discounted - an 8GB iPhone 4 will now cost $99 USD, while the iPhone 3GS will be free with a contract.

Apple also teased upcoming features for iOS 5, which launches on 12 October - expect a new messaging app, a personal organiser, enhanced Twitter support and a new magazine shop called Newsstand.

Speaking of which, don't forget that you can read Custom PC on your iPhone right now.

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coolius 5th October 2011, 11:01 Quote
Well done Apple, everybody waited a year and a half for you to update the CPU and Camera to the same level as the 6 month old Galaxy S2.

I'm looking forward to next week's announcement of the new Nexus Prime, dual-core 1.5GHz and a 4.6" 1280x720 screen!

And early next year Android will have quad-cores! Apple are really lagging behind with these 1+ year iterations.
Jack_Pepsi 5th October 2011, 11:04 Quote
The S stands for Sucker(s).

;)
wuyanxu 5th October 2011, 11:12 Quote
so iPhone 4S is a gaming device?? in the gaming section?

already a few Android fans. late update, minor update etc. wonder how many pages this thread will be filled with negativity.
memeroot 5th October 2011, 11:18 Quote
underwhelming - but I suspect thats because the proper version didnt work and they had to get something out
Tibby 5th October 2011, 11:28 Quote
Has anyone seen the pricing?

Non contract starts at $399 US and £499 UK?!? Have they gone the wrong way on currency conversion or something?..
faugusztin 5th October 2011, 11:33 Quote
Well, actually i wonder what right will now iOS users have to talk about fragmentation. Let's see what we have now (what you can buy shops now or soon):
1) iPhone 3GS - 600MHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 480x320
2) iPhone 4 - 800MHz single core CPU, 512MB RAM, 960x640
3) iPhone 4S - 1GHz dual core CPU, ?MB RAM, 960x640
4) iPad - 1GHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 1024x768
5) iPad 2 - 1GHz dual core CPU, 512MB RAM, 1024x768
6) iPod Touch 4th gen - 800MHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 960x640.

Considering you can still buy iPad 1, Apple has now 6 different devices on sale with totally different CPU speed (3GS comparable to first Motorola Milestone/Droid, 4S comparable to HTC Sensation), different display resolutions, different amount of RAM.

So, let's talk about that "fragmentation" again. Considering 97,5% of Android users now run Android 2.1 or higher, and the differences between different versions are relatively small from developers standpoint, the biggest one being the tablet support in Honeycomb. But even if we remove tablet users as part of fragmentation, 95,7% of Android users run Android 2.1-2.3. I am pretty sure that similar or higher percentage of users were left behind with older iPhone or iPod Touch models which were left behind at iOS3 with no upgrade to iOS4.

In the end, on hardware area iOS devices are fragmented in same way as Android devices, and because there are already devices left behind in iOS area as well, then iOS is at same software fragmentation level as Android too.

@Tibby: $399 is a 2 year contract pricing for 64GB model. Actually, there is no no-contract pricing in US AFAIK. Plus don't forget - US price NEVER includes sales tax (=VAT).
wuyanxu 5th October 2011, 11:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by faugusztin
......
Considering you can still buy iPad 1, Apple has now 6 different devices on sale with totally different CPU speed (3GS comparable to first Motorola Milestone/Droid, 4S comparable to HTC Sensation), different display resolutions, different amount of RAM.

......... But even if we remove tablet users as part of fragmentation, 95,7% of Android users run Android 2.1-2.3.
still, you tried really hard, well done. ;)

even with your system, there are 6 iOS devices (tablet + phones) vs how many Android phones?? how many resolutions? how many different CPU architecture?
coolius 5th October 2011, 11:44 Quote
Quote:

lol
CardJoe 5th October 2011, 12:03 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
so iPhone 4S is a gaming device?? in the gaming section?

already a few Android fans. late update, minor update etc. wonder how many pages this thread will be filled with negativity.

It's tagged as hardware too, but given that we actually cover iPhone games more than we analyse iPhone hardware...
Lance 5th October 2011, 12:07 Quote
I'll be buying this. See you at the apple store lads.
faugusztin 5th October 2011, 12:28 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
even with your system, there are 6 iOS devices (tablet + phones) vs how many Android phones?? how many resolutions? how many different CPU architecture?

Let's see. If we ignore the chinese lowend money-stealer iPhone KIRF devices, what you end up are two platforms - ARM Cortex A8 and A9 CPU from three manufacturers - Qualcomm, TI and Samsung. Sure, the GPU have differences, that is why do you have OpenGL ES, right ? And i don't see game developers having issues with the GPU, what they have issue is the huge difference between lowend segment (320x240, 500MHz) and highend segment (800x480, dualcore 1.2GHz). And same issue is now present in iOS as well - lowend (480x320, 600MHz) vs highend (960x640, dualcore 1GHz).

Is not the game they presented on keynote just a good example of fragmentation ? That game will be iPhone 4S only, and if not then only at some sacrifice, with optimized versions for older devices.

If this is not the fragmentation itself, then i don't know what. This is what iPhone users talked about when there was a need to create a special version of games for lowend phones like HTC Wildfire, but it won't be an issue when they will have to do it for 4S vs the rest ? :(
gcwebbyuk 5th October 2011, 12:30 Quote
I had hoped for so much more. At the end of the day, it IS a better phone than the 4, and WILL sell, it's just a shame it isn't a better still. But then that is Apple's very good (for them) marketing strategy, they keep dangling a golden carrot.
alastor 5th October 2011, 12:36 Quote
My contract minimum term ends this week and I would have strongly considered upgrading my HTC Desire to an iPhone 5, but not the spec bump 4S that it's turned out to be.

Fingers crossed Orange are getting the Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus, nothing else is interesting me in the near future :|
gcwebbyuk 5th October 2011, 12:38 Quote
Haven't looked at those two, but the Desire S is a nice upgrade over the Desire. I prefer it to my mates HTC Sensation.
Stotherd-001 5th October 2011, 12:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by alastor
My contract minimum term ends this week and I would have strongly considered upgrading my HTC Desire to an iPhone 5, but not the spec bump 4S that it's turned out to be.

Fingers crossed Orange are getting the Nexus Prime/Galaxy Nexus, nothing else is interesting me in the near future :|

Same. Though I might consider a Note just to say I have one.
sotu1 5th October 2011, 12:57 Quote
Getting this sadly...because i skipped the iPhone 4 in the first place.
Burdman27911 5th October 2011, 13:03 Quote
Quote:
The new iPhone 4S processor is twice as fast as the iPhone 4, says Apple, while the graphics hardware is several magnitudes faster than existing models.
Several orders of magnitudes? Last I checked, a single order of magnitude was 10x... and the iPhone 4S is quoted as 7x.

(FYI, it uses the same processor as the iPad2)
mrlongbeard 5th October 2011, 13:10 Quote
Went from 3Gs to Desire skipping the 4, my contract ended last week, I can't see me returning to Apple for the 4s.

Nothing new, nothing innovative, just rehashed & tweaked stuff that's already out there, nice camera though by the looks of it
RichCreedy 5th October 2011, 13:13 Quote
according to apple store the iphone4s sim free, will cost £499 iphone4 £429, and 3gs £319



there is no-one with contract prices for the iphone4s yet
Blademrk 5th October 2011, 13:13 Quote
Not sure whether to upgrade or not tbh (from 3GS). meh, I'll probably stick to my current phone until they drop it from the upgrade table.
neocleous 5th October 2011, 13:18 Quote
The fact that this is just a spec bump is disappointing but at the end of the day with apple it is all about the software and anything new that comes out always comes out first on the app store and any 3rd party accessories are usually for the iphone.

My iPhone 4 is out of contract and ill probably get this just to get the 64Gb version because 32Gb isn't enough for me.

So why fight it?
wuyanxu 5th October 2011, 13:22 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by faugusztin
Well, actually i wonder what right will now iOS users have to talk about fragmentation. Let's see what we have now (what you can buy shops now or soon):
1) iPhone 3GS - 600MHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 480x320
2) iPhone 4 - 800MHz single core CPU, 512MB RAM, 960x640
3) iPhone 4S - 1GHz dual core CPU, ?MB RAM, 960x640
4) iPad - 1GHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 1024x768
5) iPad 2 - 1GHz dual core CPU, 512MB RAM, 1024x768
6) iPod Touch 4th gen - 800MHz single core CPU, 256MB RAM, 960x640.
Quote:
Originally Posted by faugusztin
Let's see. If we ignore the chinese lowend money-stealer iPhone KIRF devices, what you end up are two platforms - ARM Cortex A8 and A9 CPU from three manufacturers - Qualcomm, TI and Samsung. Sure, the GPU have differences, that is why do you have OpenGL ES, right ? And i don't see game developers having issues with the GPU, what they have issue is the huge difference between lowend segment (320x240, 500MHz) and highend segment (800x480, dualcore 1.2GHz). And same issue is now present in iOS as well - lowend (480x320, 600MHz) vs highend (960x640, dualcore 1GHz).

Is not the game they presented on keynote just a good example of fragmentation ? That game will be iPhone 4S only, and if not then only at some sacrifice, with optimized versions for older devices.

If this is not the fragmentation itself, then i don't know what. This is what iPhone users talked about when there was a need to create a special version of games for lowend phones like HTC Wildfire, but it won't be an issue when they will have to do it for 4S vs the rest ? :(

with all iOS devices, also only end up with 2 platforms. A8 and A9. all on Apple's custom design, not spread across 4 companies (you forgot nvidia tegra). there are no problem if you want your iOS application to be usable on all phone sized devices, just build one at 480x320 and it will auto scale to retina display. that is the reason they have gone for 960x640. in fact, building 480x320 applications doesn't look bad at all because iOS automatically sharpens text.

ONLY special version is for the tablet, which is the same case for Android, except iOS could have universal app that could run natively on both (like twitter app).

the game, Infinity Blade 2, will be playable on all devices, but they will take advantage of A5 processor. this is not mandatory for app developers to do and programming for 3GS is all that is needed to have an app that runs on all phone sized devices.
Bluephoenix 5th October 2011, 13:33 Quote
only thing that interests me is the Siri announcement, and that only because its the closest thing I've ever seen to a very usable and fluid voice interface.

I know voice commands for android has been out for a bit, but even after a couple days of trying it on a friend's phone it just never had the fluidity and ease of use the siri software supposedly does.

we'll have to see, I think if Siri is really as good as it looks then apple might have a hidden goldmine there but only if they break their normal software release conventions. selling a windows application to communicate with imessage and a win/mac version of siri could potentially earn them some big money, but would break some of that traditional platform exclusivity (though making a device more usable between different users usually doesn't hurt)
supermonkey 5th October 2011, 14:37 Quote
Yesterday my coworker was lamenting about how he can't wait to get a new phone. Apparently his Android phone doesn't hold a charge anymore and he's having problems rooting it. He's always complaining about the interface. Why am I posting this? I'm posting this to demonstrate that everyone has a hardware story of some kind, and no single product (device, OS, whatever) is perfect.

I'm happy the new iPhone is out. My iPhone 3G is starting to show its age, so I'm looking to get a newly discounted iPhone 4.
Paulg1971 5th October 2011, 15:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
Quote:
Originally Posted by faugusztin
......
Considering you can still buy iPad 1, Apple has now 6 different devices on sale with totally different CPU speed (3GS comparable to first Motorola Milestone/Droid, 4S comparable to HTC Sensation), different display resolutions, different amount of RAM.

......... But even if we remove tablet users as part of fragmentation, 95,7% of Android users run Android 2.1-2.3.
still, you tried really hard, well done. ;)

even with your system, there are 6 iOS devices (tablet + phones) vs how many Android phones?? how many resolutions? how many different CPU architecture?
Paulg1971 5th October 2011, 15:44 Quote
Are you going to one of those stood outside an Apple shop at 5 in the morning waiting for the new vastly improved 4s (that last bit was sarcasm)
fdbh96 5th October 2011, 15:49 Quote
To be honest I think everyones being a bit harsh on apple, they can make a completely new product every year. People are still going to buy it because it's apple and because of it's os. This is more aimed at people who didn't get the iPhone 4 but now their two year contract has run out and they want a new apple product.
wuyanxu 5th October 2011, 15:50 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulg1971
Are you going to one of those stood outside an Apple shop at 5 in the morning waiting for the new vastly improved 4s (that last bit was sarcasm)
with your quote, im guessing you are asking me.

no, im not getting it since my 4 is still going great, it will get leash of new life with iOS 5. but would love to try out Siri and try to make it trip over.
faugusztin 5th October 2011, 15:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulg1971
Are you going to one of those stood outside an Apple shop at 5 in the morning waiting for the new vastly improved 4s (that last bit was sarcasm)

Was that aimed at me or wuyanxu ? If me, then nope. I got my Desire HD, iPod Touch 4th gen 8GB and today the Samsung Omnia7, so i got the developer devices for iOS and WP7 and got my main Android phone (acting as a developer device as well). :D
Kovoet 5th October 2011, 15:58 Quote
Most of you know I have not got much time for apple but if they just called this phone the iphone 5 it would be an absolute craze like when the 3g came out
ssj12 5th October 2011, 17:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by faugusztin
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
even with your system, there are 6 iOS devices (tablet + phones) vs how many Android phones?? how many resolutions? how many different CPU architecture?

Let's see. If we ignore the chinese lowend money-stealer iPhone KIRF devices, what you end up are two platforms - ARM Cortex A8 and A9 CPU from three manufacturers - Qualcomm, TI and Samsung. Sure, the GPU have differences, that is why do you have OpenGL ES, right ? And i don't see game developers having issues with the GPU, what they have issue is the huge difference between lowend segment (320x240, 500MHz) and highend segment (800x480, dualcore 1.2GHz). And same issue is now present in iOS as well - lowend (480x320, 600MHz) vs highend (960x640, dualcore 1GHz).

Is not the game they presented on keynote just a good example of fragmentation ? That game will be iPhone 4S only, and if not then only at some sacrifice, with optimized versions for older devices.

If this is not the fragmentation itself, then i don't know what. This is what iPhone users talked about when there was a need to create a special version of games for lowend phones like HTC Wildfire, but it won't be an issue when they will have to do it for 4S vs the rest ? :(

You are forgetting Nvidia based droid phones like my X2.
Nexxo 5th October 2011, 18:12 Quote
Face it, it's going to sell like hotcakes. End of discussion.




http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=32&pictureid=22618
mclean007 5th October 2011, 18:23 Quote
I guess it was pretty inevitable that this was going to be an emotive thread, but wow! I never quite understand the polarisation of opinions whenever a new Apple product comes along. The anti-Apple brigade tend to mock Apple "fanbois" (seriously where did the 'i' come from? What is this, an Avril Lavigne song?) for blindly defending Apple, but recently it's the people slamming the 4S because it doesn't have x, y or z new feature who look ridiculous. No it doesn't have a 4"+ screen, no it doesn't have a quad core processor or an OLED screen or NFC, and no it wasn't hand-carved by Leonardo Da Vinci out of diamond and virgin's tears. So what? It's an incremental upgrade on a fantastic piece of hardware. The reason it doesn't depart radically from the iPhone 4 is because the iPhone 4 was (antenna issue aside, and that's been fixed) bloody excellent.

Apple has proved time and again that the hardware specs are only a small part of the puzzle - I don't think anyone is suggesting that the iPhone 4S is the latest and greatest in every possible metric - there are handsets with faster CPUs, and larger / OLED screens, expandable memory and HDMI sockets and interchangeable batteries and whatever else, and sure by the time the 4S reaches the market (let alone its end of life) it will be surpassed in pure numbers by still faster and higher specced phones with lower price tags. But none of them will sell even a fraction of the number of units, because the iPhone "experience", the complete package, just annihilates the competition. The build quality is second to none; accept the walled garden and the App Store is great, as are the iTunes Music and Video Stores; biggest choice of Apps; an amazing high res IPS screen, still (IMO) the most intuitive interface, probably the best camera ever fitted to a mobile phone, and now over the air updates, iMessage, iCloud and Siri. You kind of have to allow yourself to be folded into Apple's big controlling arms and accept the Cupertino grand plan for world domination, but once you do that it's a pretty comfortable place to be. Some people don't want that, and that's a legitimate choice, but a subset of those people, either through ignorance or jealousy, seem to think it's acceptable to crap on those that choose the Apple way, and that's just silly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wuyanxu
...would love to try out Siri and try to make it trip over.
And now, having said all of the above, I'm going to prove I'm not a blind follower of the cult of Apple by showing my cynicism about Siri being exclusive to 4S - given (as I understand it) all of the smart processing is done on an Apple server somewhere, all the handset does is digitise your voice, send it over Wi-fi or 3G, then perform the scripted actions it gets back, why is Siri not available to iPhone 4 and 3GS owners as part of iOS 5? I don't believe there is any reason the older hardware can't handle it.
roblikesbeer 5th October 2011, 18:36 Quote
Where's XXXX? Australia?

Actually (after a bit of looking on Google Maps), it's in Arizona, USA: http://g.co/maps/arbpf

:)
Zendax 5th October 2011, 18:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibby
Has anyone seen the pricing?

Non contract starts at $399 US and £499 UK?!? Have they gone the wrong way on currency conversion or something?..

US price sounds wrong, given previous iPhones have always started at $599 no contract. Hell, if it was $399 I wouldn't even consider a contract.
sakzzz 5th October 2011, 19:49 Quote
I doubt apple fanboys would go around telling " Hey it looks the same but its different inside !" . They are quite used to a phone every year that "LOOKS" different with a few magical features thrown in for bragging rights.
Ficky Pucker 5th October 2011, 20:58 Quote
apple fanboys have a problem with the 4S

http://i.imgur.com/DteY4.png
Nexxo 5th October 2011, 21:04 Quote
^^^ Speak for yourself. :D
M7ck 5th October 2011, 21:25 Quote
I have an iPhone 4 and I see the 4S as a worthwhile upgrade, I won't though as I still have 10 months left on my contract.

IMO the iPhone 4 was the best phone available and now apple have made it even better.
telephonebox 5th October 2011, 21:46 Quote
Nexus prime > Galaxy S 2 > Iphone 4S > Iphone 4
rogerrabbits 5th October 2011, 21:51 Quote
My thoughts:

1) The only real improvement I care about is the upgrade to graphics and cpu. It makes me think gaming could be better now. The problem though is that nobody seems to develop good games for mobiles anyway. You get the occasional decent one like The Quest or whatever, but the other 99% are stupid kiddie puzzle games like Doodle Jump and Angry Birds. While millions rush off to download stuff like that, I can't see many developers bothering to put in the time and effort in to making "proper" games. - Even though it is technically capable of playing almost anything.

2) One of the main things I would be interested in seeing upgraded would be the signal. I often don't get a very good signal when I'm indoors which is a bit crap.

3) Siri - nice idea, but hard to get excited about that considering the the current voice thing doesn't work. On my iPhone 4 you hold the button down. I'll be jogging and I'll say, "Play next track" and it says, "Calling Sue" and I have to quickly grab it and cancel the call. So yeah, I can just imagine it now, "Where is the nearest petrol station?............ processing............ "Your five tickets for Jedwood have been confirmed!".
kenco_uk 5th October 2011, 23:42 Quote
So no rfid tech?
faugusztin 5th October 2011, 23:48 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ficky Pucker
apple fanboys have a problem with the 4S

Pink font :D.
brave758 5th October 2011, 23:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by M7ck
I have an iPhone 4 and I see the 4S as a worthwhile upgrade, I won't though as I still have 10 months left on my contract.

IMO the iPhone 4 was the best phone available and now apple have made it even better.

LOL
alf- 6th October 2011, 00:00 Quote
if this had a larger screen i would be really tempted, but after using a 4" screen for several months now i don't think i could go back to a 3.5" screen.

but really it still beats the vast majority of phones out there when you consider it as a whole package, instead of dissecting elements such as processor specs.
the Samsung GS-II may have a faster processor on paper, but will you really notice with actual use, if anything i would say the iPhone will still have a smoother experience, after all we can criticize the iPhone for having a walled garden environment, but such an environment has its advantages when it comes to user experience.
Woodspoon 6th October 2011, 00:56 Quote
R.I.P Steve Jobs
The_Beast 6th October 2011, 01:25 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_Pepsi
The S stands for Sucker(s).

;)

Lol plus rep
Nexxo 6th October 2011, 07:53 Quote
"Such hate... It's a form of belief" --Small Gods, Terry Pratchett
GuilleAcoustic 6th October 2011, 08:09 Quote
Jobs passed away this evening ... I suggest to stop all form of apple hate today in his memory. We might like apple or not (I'm in the second category), but lets respect his work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
"Such hate... It's a form of belief" --Small Gods, Terry Pratchett

haha ... I do love Pratchett (+rep)
VipersGratitude 6th October 2011, 08:40 Quote
Lxn6Ag0mmhs
joolz1 6th October 2011, 09:25 Quote
been done before but never the less funny
tonyd223 6th October 2011, 09:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic
Jobs passed away this evening ... I suggest to stop all form of apple hate today in his memory. We might like apple or not (I'm in the second category), but lets respect his work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
"Such hate... It's a form of belief" --Small Gods, Terry Pratchett

haha ... I do love Pratchett (+rep)

+1
ecviper 6th October 2011, 17:24 Quote
unfortunately those not in the know (as well as clever marketing) will think it is the fastest and greatest phone to be released so far. The media doesn't help much either, bigging it up like there's no tomorrow.
supermonkey 6th October 2011, 17:41 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecviper
unfortunately those not in the know (as well as clever marketing) will think it is the fastest and greatest phone to be released so far. The media doesn't help much either, bigging it up like there's no tomorrow.
As opposed to all those companies marketing their products as "The Second Best!" or "Ours is Almost as Good!" or "Why Not Just Settle For Less?" Yeah, I can see it now. Microsoft Windows XP2012: Please buy it even if it's not that good. Introducing the new HTC Warm Fuzzy, it's OK I guess. Drive the all new Jeep Enhancer, the mileage is terrible! Truth in advertising, right?

Or, perhaps you purchased a different phone because your needs are different.
Bauul 7th October 2011, 18:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclean007
But none of them will sell even a fraction of the number of units, because the iPhone "experience", the complete package, just annihilates the competition.

Total misconception this - the iPhone does not obliterate the competition in terms of sales. It sold more, yes, but not LOTS more. In the last twelve months for instance in the UK, it sold circa 20% more than the next best selling phone.

However, that success is down to a tiny portfolio of products: on a brand level, Apple is number down at number four in the list. Samsung, Nokia and Blackberry all sold more, and HTC isn't far behind Apple's sales.
M7ck 7th October 2011, 18:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
It sold more, yes, but not LOTS more. In the last twelve months for instance in the UK, it sold circa 20% more than the next best selling phone.

Mate, that 20% equates to millions of phones. You don't consider that to be lots?
Bauul 7th October 2011, 18:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by M7ck
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
It sold more, yes, but not LOTS more. In the last twelve months for instance in the UK, it sold circa 20% more than the next best selling phone.

Mate, that 20% equates to millions of phones. You don't consider that to be lots?

Millions? No, it's a few hundred thousand. Apple only sold a couple of million phones in the UK in total. This is just for the UK of course, although across the world where Smrtphones have much less penetration I imagine the figure is much lower.
Nexxo 7th October 2011, 19:02 Quote
Semantics, schematics. Let's just say that the iPhone is quite successful. :p
Bauul 7th October 2011, 19:11 Quote
You know what's really scary though? Quite how many phones Nokia still sells!

Across Europe for instance in the last year Nokia is still the number one brand, selling five times what Apple did. Stead-fast loyalty or do Europeans just love old-school phones?
M7ck 7th October 2011, 19:52 Quote
I know mate, Nokia are kicking arse in overall phone sales, I don't understand it. Although I do have a soft spot for Nokia, I still have a 3210, 3330 and an 8210 all still working perfectly. I think these phones will outlive us all.
NuTech 7th October 2011, 22:24 Quote
Does anyone know if any of the major mobile networks allow you to get a 12 month contract by paying more for the handset? I much prefer paying more upfront than being locked into a silly 2 year contract (which unfortunately has become the 'norm' for smartphones due to their high price).

I've heard things like this are possible, they're just not advertised, you have to request it.
Kovoet 7th October 2011, 22:29 Quote
Well with the old one yes you could with vodafone but I will check about the new one tomorrow when I get to work.

Also having a look at the tarrifs today for the new one they are damn good. I was quite shocked to be honest.

Sent from my GT-I9000
rogerrabbits 9th October 2011, 01:43 Quote
I used to love my n95 8gig. But I wanted to upgrade to another nokia and they had nothing that could compete with the iphone, so I got the 3gs and have loved them since. On the iphone 4 now, and would like this one some day, but no hurry to upgrade.
NuTech 10th October 2011, 16:51 Quote
If anyone else is interested in shorter contracts on iPhones (or smartphones in general), O2 do 12/18/24 month contracts. Obviously, expect to pay much more for the handset. More info here.
Kovoet 10th October 2011, 18:10 Quote
As do vodafone who at this stage cheaper along side orange

Sent from my GT-I9000
Yeoo 11th October 2011, 21:55 Quote
Best bet is too purchase the Iphone out right and get a simplicity tarif.. these are half the price as there is no Iphone to pay for.. 250-300 saving over 12 months
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