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Space Marine not released on Steam in UK

Space Marine not released on Steam in UK

Space Marine has not been released on Steam in the UK, despite using Steamworks DRM.

THQ has not released Warhammer 40K: Space Marine on the Steam in the UK, despite the fact that the game is available on other digital platforms, on Steam in other territories and that the game uses Valve's Steamworks DRM.

Saints Row: The Third, another THQ game, is similarly missing from Steam in the UK.

Rumours suggesting that the absence was the result of UK retailer Game pressuring publishers to not sell their games on Steam have been strongly denied in a statement to Eurogamer.

'We can categorically state that these rumours do not relate to Game Group or any of its employees,' said a Game statement.

THQ has refused to comment on Space Marine's absence from the UK Steam store, as was the case when a Space Marine demo similarly didn't appear on the store last month.

Harry's just putting the finishing touches to our Space Marine review at the moment, so until he's done you can check out the trailer below and let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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Stotherd-001 12th September 2011, 11:40 Quote
Shenanigans afoot.
Guinevere 12th September 2011, 11:52 Quote
Has steamworks but isn't on steam? A detect a lawyers handiwork.

Agghh that's the last time I ever click on one of your videos. If I'm not being bitched slapped by chunky pixels I'm being force fed 30 second adverts that can't be stopped, paused or muted.

Definitely the worst video watching experience I know of anywhere on the internet. Terrible UI (try rewinding to the beginning LOL). Size restricted by advert frame and preceded by something that makes me feel like this:

http://bit.ly/n8kbFR

I know the site is free, but we're also a decade into the twenty-first century. Everyone else seems to strike a better balance including other Dennis sites. Check out Auto Trader, better UI & UX, shorter and more relevant adverts and a video that's the width of the content. What gives? Why does BT get a rough deal?
Greenie 12th September 2011, 11:55 Quote
It's a joke. I ended up buying a download key from shopto to get around it so I could play the game!
proxess 12th September 2011, 12:12 Quote
+1 to Guinevere's post.
Parge 12th September 2011, 12:35 Quote
If this is due to Game I'm going to be super annoyed! THEY DONT EVEN STOCK PC GAMES!

There is a worrying trend of big games starting to rally against Steam!

I cannot stress enough how stupid this is, Steam keeps PC gaming alive.
Gigglebyte 12th September 2011, 12:40 Quote
I got a copy from Amazon instead and later downloaded it from a different location to a different machine from the Steam servers without needing the DVDs, it is pretty ridiculous that Steam is being blocked in this case.
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Originally Posted by Parge
If this is due to Game I'm going to be super annoyed! THEY DONT EVEN STOCK PC GAMES!

There is a worrying trend of big games starting to rally against Steam!

I cannot stress enough how stupid this is, Steam keeps PC gaming alive.

With publishers the quick large cash flow is in consoles, PC gaming doesn't get the attention it deserves and is always left with sloppy-seconds on multi-platform titles : /
Trefarm 12th September 2011, 12:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Guinevere
Agghh that's the last time I ever click on one of your videos. If I'm not being bitched slapped by chunky pixels I'm being force fed 30 second adverts that can't be stopped, paused or muted.

+1... absolutely dire, I find that the ad's glitch and repeat as well.

I'm always tabbing off to youtube to watch.
Mongoose132 12th September 2011, 13:03 Quote
+2, just give us a Youtube link underneath or something on the Sly :D
goddi 12th September 2011, 13:09 Quote
Shenanigans afoot
Gigglebyte 12th September 2011, 13:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mongoose132
+2, just give us a Youtube link underneath or something on the Sly :D

If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.
longweight 12th September 2011, 13:27 Quote
Adblock works really well, at the weekend the O2 adverts on BT were causing my CPU to run at 25%, used ad block and it dropped to 2% :D
longweight 12th September 2011, 13:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gigglebyte
If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.

No ads at the start of YouTube videos?!
Denis_iii 12th September 2011, 13:34 Quote
THQ, I'll buy Space Marine and Saints Row when available on Steam. Until then, you obviously don't want my business which I respect.
Denis_iii 12th September 2011, 13:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by longweight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gigglebyte
If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.

No ads at the start of YouTube videos?!

Everyone everywhere who browses the internet should install AdBlock+. From years of frustration, flash ad popups, flashing crashing browsers or causing cpu to thrasg and lockup PC not to mention bullshit youtube ads and youtube crashing due to ads etc etc etc etc etc and then..... I installed AdBlock+ and it was like a new internet, a breathe of fresh air.
DbD 12th September 2011, 13:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
THQ, I'll buy Space Marine and Saints Row when available on Steam. Until then, you obviously don't want my business which I respect.

+1
Gigglebyte 12th September 2011, 14:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by longweight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gigglebyte
If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.

No ads at the start of YouTube videos?!

Yup it gets rid of the ones before videos and the ads that popup a few seconds into the actual video.
Like Denis_iii said, it is a breath of fresh air.
Salty Wagyu 12th September 2011, 14:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
THQ, I'll buy Space Marine and Saints Row when available on Steam. Until then, you obviously don't want my business which I respect.

+1
greypilgers 12th September 2011, 14:06 Quote
Never mind the sodding adverts on videos - save that for another thread. More important is the news that another upcoming and prospectively good title is being witheld from the most popular digital distributor for reasons that are never made clear by any party. THis is definitely a worrying trend and the fact that no one ever seems to see fit to grace us gamers with anything approaching a decent response or explanation is really quite insulting.
the-beast 12th September 2011, 14:07 Quote
So it used steamworks, but is not on steam..... how the hell do you activate it or are you left with a nice shiny coaster instead?

Am I missing something here as all steamworks games require registering and activating on steam as far as i know?
Pete J 12th September 2011, 14:10 Quote
Whelp. my copy (courtesy of ZiiP) works fine on Steam, so I'm happy!
Zayfod 12th September 2011, 14:17 Quote
The situation with Space Marine and Steam is a steaming heap of dung, and it's only going to get larger as the high street retailers put more pressure the publishers (I seriously don't believe that GAME had nothing to do with this.).

If anyone is interested in the Space Marine demo it can be got through Steam, you just have to trick it into downloading by pasting this link steam://install/55410 into your browser address bar while Steam is open.
mrbens 12th September 2011, 14:31 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
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Originally Posted by longweight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gigglebyte
If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.

No ads at the start of YouTube videos?!

Everyone everywhere who browses the internet should install AdBlock+. From years of frustration, flash ad popups, flashing crashing browsers or causing cpu to thrasg and lockup PC not to mention bullshit youtube ads and youtube crashing due to ads etc etc etc etc etc and then..... I installed AdBlock+ and it was like a new internet, a breathe of fresh air.

I totally agree. Adblock along with Tubestop (which stops all youtube videos from auto starting) makes for a much more pleasant experience.

Keep in mind though that Adblocking bit-tech stops them from revenue or something so some people like to white list their favourite sites.
Aracos 12th September 2011, 14:38 Quote
Hasn't game been paying off publishers to have a period of time before and after launch where you are unable to buy certain games from Steam in the UK? I mean it's quite ridiculous frankly since they're too much of lazy bar stewards to actually dispatch the copies of space marine and dead island people bought with them.

This situation with games lately has really been pissing me off, steam is my go to place when I want videos and screenshots along with game information on EXACTLY the same page, it's so handy, but because THQ is being paid off I can't find out anything about space marine from steam, I also had to use a direct steam link just to download the bloody demo. Where's the anti-competitive laws?
CrazyJoe 12th September 2011, 14:57 Quote
Lolz at the lies that Game has nothing to do with it.

From what I've heard, they have told THQ that if they put pre-orders up on Steam, they will stop selling their games, including console versions. Maybe there is money involved as well as Aracos says, wouldn't be surprised.

Not sure why it's still not on Steam but Game definitely have something to do with it.
PaulC2K 12th September 2011, 16:34 Quote
From what ive heard on the 100%-accurate-all-the-time internet, aliens are amongst us, we didnt land on the moon (which is made of cheese!!), Iraq has WMDs, 9-11 was an inside job, and steam is the best platform for pc games.
I love how 1 person jumping to a conclusion without any evidence has somehow created a pathetic anti-steam conspiracy. Just like EA only wanting to sell Crysis 2 & BF3 on Origin and refusing steam because they want Origin to win, while conveniently overlooking the fact that all other non-steam DD sites are selling these games.

Ooooh, well if some internet nerds say so, it must be true...
boz4442 12th September 2011, 16:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by proxess
+1 to Guinevere's post.

+1 here as well
Margo Baggins 12th September 2011, 16:51 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbens
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
Quote:
Originally Posted by longweight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gigglebyte
If you wanted something sly just install AdBlock+ plugin, works fine and no ads in the video for me and as a bonus it gets rid of YouTube adverts too.

No ads at the start of YouTube videos?!

Everyone everywhere who browses the internet should install AdBlock+. From years of frustration, flash ad popups, flashing crashing browsers or causing cpu to thrasg and lockup PC not to mention bullshit youtube ads and youtube crashing due to ads etc etc etc etc etc and then..... I installed AdBlock+ and it was like a new internet, a breathe of fresh air.

I totally agree. Adblock along with Tubestop (which stops all youtube videos from auto starting) makes for a much more pleasant experience.

Keep in mind though that Adblocking bit-tech stops them from revenue or something so some people like to white list their favourite sites.

Addblock plus also takes out the adverts from 4od.
damien c 12th September 2011, 17:16 Quote
Can tell who the steam fans are here!

I personally cannot stand Valve (steam) and there pathetic VAC.

Most hacked call of duty games are using VAC as the anti cheat system and they are MW2 and Black Op's.

Then you have people saying about BF3 and Crysis 2 that it's all down to EA and them not wanting Valve (steam) to sell it unyet if any of you actually looked on the net you, would see that it's down to Valve (steam) changing it's T&C's for developers and wanting to limit how patches and DLC are distrubituted to the people who buy the game which is us.

I personally DETEST Valve (steam) but I use it because I play the Call Of Duty games and if a developer doesn't want to sell there game on Steam that is there choice, if they either choose not to or don't agree with the fee that Valve charge on all copies sold and stupid restriction's about where they can sell it.

Please see these link's before you carry on bashing EA for what is actually Steam's fault in regard's to there games, and this may have also be the reason behind why Space Marine is not available on Steam because it is available at other places.

http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/117/1176517p1.html

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/15/ea-begins-to-pull-steam-availability-push-origin-exclusives/

Now all we need is for other companies to follow suit and other games to stop using VAC and I will be happy as then I can buy games cheaper, as Steam is the dearest place in the UK for games and there anti cheat system is nothing more than a joke as far as I am concerned.

Not to mention the service from Valve is garbage especially when you pay for something and it doesn't go on your account and then, takes them nearly 2 month's to sort it out like what happened with me and Half life 2 Episode One and then the wrongfull banning of all those people on MW2 yeah Steam is great lol.
Zayfod 12th September 2011, 17:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
*snip* I personally cannot stand Valve (steam) and *snip* have not properly read the article, especially the part where is says quite distinctly that the developers CHOSE to use Steam.

There, fixed that for you...

To summarise; Space Marine requires Steam to run, and uses Steamworks. THQ has allegedly been pressured into not distributing the game through Steam in the UK by the high street retail chain GAME, who don't stock PC games in the first place...
Grimloon 12th September 2011, 19:33 Quote
Damien, Steam isn't perfect and its primary purpose is to make money for Valve but it is significantly better than most of the alternatives out there. Please believe me when I say that VAC is nothing compared to the fun we used to have trying to update CS over a dial up connection with the early versions of Steam *shudder*.

Right now it is the best combined digital distribution and DRM platform that there is at the moment. So much so that developers choose to use Steamworks as a verification system, they aren't forced to do so. THQ are certainly big enough to be able to afford to develop their own verification system - they didn't, they turned to a tried and tested solution instead. Space Marine specifically requires activation via Steam, you can even install the game without ever using the DVDs once you have registered it - you just can't buy the game or anything related to it through Steam. There is no entry in the store and if you try to check for DLC through the game properties you get "This item is currently unavailable in your region".

No one knows for definite who's responsible but the rumour mill is firmly pointing fingers in the direction of Game. They were the only ones I saw that had "exclusive preorder DLC" which in other countries was available through multiple retailers, Steam pre orders which (apparently) all came included with the Collector's Edition in other countries. They also (allegedly) only had one copy of the game per store. They also have a rival download service which definitely doesn't do as well, limited titles available at launch and I don't know whether or not they even offer a pre load facility.

Shenanigans? Oh aye, just a bit!
D3s3rt_F0x 12th September 2011, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Denis_iii
THQ, I'll buy Space Marine and Saints Row when available on Steam. Until then, you obviously don't want my business which I respect.

Grow up please and are you lot crazy? When was the last time you saw a new game on Steam that was below the RRP? The only time Steam is good for buying games direct is when they have a sale on.

I got my copy of Space Marine from ShopTo, I paid £23 for the download code, entered into Steam and downloaded from Steam, certainly beats paying the £30 Steam would have charged me.

As an example Deus Ex is £29.99 on Steam, I got it on the day it got released for £23 from Greenman games as a download code to use on Steam. So what's the difference? Other than I saved myself £7.
Hakuren 12th September 2011, 20:11 Quote
Steam is crap. Gutted that Space Marine is only available via that [beep!*censored*].

One time activation, fine by me. But external client which takes over completely user freedom, treating customer like a thief, Stalinist way of doing business. No thanks!

Any game requiring Steam is dead to me. There is one important principle for me: freedom of use. With Steam platform freedom is completely gone... In a good Stalinist way.
greypilgers 12th September 2011, 23:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Hakuren
Steam is crap. Gutted that Space Marine is only available via that [beep!*censored*].

One time activation, fine by me. But external client which takes over completely user freedom, treating customer like a thief, Stalinist way of doing business. No thanks!

Any game requiring Steam is dead to me. There is one important principle for me: freedom of use. With Steam platform freedom is completely gone... In a good Stalinist way.

Wow. Gotta say, there aren't as many people with that type of opinion about Steam, friend. You make some points that have merit from a certain point of view. I suppose Steam has its positives and its negatives, but do the negatives really outweigh all the positives? I thought Steam to be a relatively unobtrusive kind of DRM (i only need to log in online once a month and can be offline the rest of the time) and it's handy for keeping all my games updated and at the same version as my multiplay mates?
BlackRaven 12th September 2011, 23:06 Quote
Don't want this and not in the UK but I have to say that this type of **** sucks. They should just tell the retailes to f-off.
Anfield 13th September 2011, 12:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
Can tell who the steam fans are here!
I personally cannot stand Valve (steam) and there pathetic VAC.

No, Steam is not perfect, but what are the alternatives?

Ea Store with its confusing layout only a 10 year old can make sense of and broken payment system and its retarded download manager that downloads itself like every second day? Sure, they revamped it a bit and gave it a new name, but why should I give EA another chance after what they've done to PC gaming? remember how many classic pc games they have ruined with shitty sequels.

And the other digital distribution platforms can't even measure up to the one of EA.

Buying physical? with all the online activation, day 0 patching and so on its almost the same as buying online anyway.

Lets face it, there is currently just no decent alternative to Steam, honestly, only thing that is better than steam is gog.com, that however is only old games.
Denis_iii 13th September 2011, 12:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by D3s3rt_F0x
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
THQ, I'll buy Space Marine and Saints Row when available on Steam. Until then, you obviously don't want my business which I respect.

Grow up please and are you lot crazy? When was the last time you saw a new game on Steam that was below the RRP? The only time Steam is good for buying games direct is when they have a sale on.

I got my copy of Space Marine from ShopTo, I paid £23 for the download code, entered into Steam and downloaded from Steam, certainly beats paying the £30 Steam would have charged me.

As an example Deus Ex is £29.99 on Steam, I got it on the day it got released for £23 from Greenman games as a download code to use on Steam. So what's the difference? Other than I saved myself £7.

I do not buy physical media, have a steam account which I use to buy games, will not sign up for another download service, and that means I need to grow up? Because I want to purchase the game on the platform I use which THQ decided not to release on in the UK due to whatever deal they have that is not best for its customers. Point not taken.
CrazyJoe 13th September 2011, 14:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
I do not buy physical media, have a steam account which I use to buy games, will not sign up for another download service, and that means I need to grow up? Because I want to purchase the game on the platform I use which THQ decided not to release on in the UK due to whatever deal they have that is not best for its customers. Point not taken.

You do realise you can save money by buying it somewhere else and register it on Steam since it's a steamworks game?

There is literally no difference in buying it from somewhere else and registering it on Steam, apart from you will save money.

Prices for new games on Steam are rubbish, especially considering you can buy some of them elsewhere and they need Steam anyway.
damien c 13th September 2011, 14:20 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zayfod
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
*snip* I personally cannot stand Valve (steam) and *snip* have not properly read the article, especially the part where is says quite distinctly that the developers CHOSE to use Steam.

There, fixed that for you...

To summarise; Space Marine requires Steam to run, and uses Steamworks. THQ has allegedly been pressured into not distributing the game through Steam in the UK by the high street retail chain GAME, who don't stock PC games in the first place...

It's funny that you say Game don't even stock PC games unyet they are available on there website and if I go in to my local store I can buy PC games. which is where I buy 90% of my games from in the 1st place.

I think you need to actually look at the website and store 1st before spouting rubbish.

http://www.game.co.uk/en/games/pc-games/
damien c 13th September 2011, 14:32 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimloon
Damien, Steam isn't perfect and its primary purpose is to make money for Valve but it is significantly better than most of the alternatives out there. Please believe me when I say that VAC is nothing compared to the fun we used to have trying to update CS over a dial up connection with the early versions of Steam *shudder*.

Right now it is the best combined digital distribution and DRM platform that there is at the moment. So much so that developers choose to use Steamworks as a verification system, they aren't forced to do so. THQ are certainly big enough to be able to afford to develop their own verification system - they didn't, they turned to a tried and tested solution instead. Space Marine specifically requires activation via Steam, you can even install the game without ever using the DVDs once you have registered it - you just can't buy the game or anything related to it through Steam. There is no entry in the store and if you try to check for DLC through the game properties you get "This item is currently unavailable in your region".

No one knows for definite who's responsible but the rumour mill is firmly pointing fingers in the direction of Game. They were the only ones I saw that had "exclusive preorder DLC" which in other countries was available through multiple retailers, Steam pre orders which (apparently) all came included with the Collector's Edition in other countries. They also (allegedly) only had one copy of the game per store. They also have a rival download service which definitely doesn't do as well, limited titles available at launch and I don't know whether or not they even offer a pre load facility.

Shenanigans? Oh aye, just a bit!

I have to say for those people who want to have a pointless piece of software running in the background, and that can't stop people from pirating games or cheating in games and charge more for games than anywhere else, then yeah it's excellent.

For me I have to say I don't want Steam running in the background when I am playing games not that it causes issues with performance etc, but I don't like the fact that I cannot play a game without having to be signed in as online to play a game online, and constant messages coming up from people on my friend's list because they can see me playing a game.

I don't want to be charged anything from 10% to 50% more for a game because it is on a download service.

I don't want to use a anti cheat system that cannot prevent people cheating but instead ban's 10,000 innocent people on a game.

Just because it is not being sold on steam does not mean it has anything to do with GAME, look at how everyone automatically blamed EA/Dice for BF3 and Crysis 2 no longer being on Steam and yeah they were partially to blame by offering it on other places but it was Steam who dropped it not EA/Dice, so you may find that this is exactly the same situation.


Everyone need's to take a good hard look at this and just realise this is by my count the 3rd game not to be sold on Steam and the 3rd company blamed, for that unyet not a single person on here is able to say "Oh it's my precious Steam's fault".

Grow up people if Steam cannot be the only place to buy a game online now then it won't get sold on Steam because it mean's they cannot charge the earth for it and make a massive profit.

Simple as that!!!
the-beast 13th September 2011, 14:57 Quote
Best methods of buying games

GOG.COM, DRM free online and DRM free retail.

All others treat you as a potential criminal (Yes, even the mighty that can do no wrong Steam) and I for one exercise my freedom of choice and refuse to buy from these outlets!
D3s3rt_F0x 13th September 2011, 15:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis_iii
I do not buy physical media, have a steam account which I use to buy games, will not sign up for another download service, and that means I need to grow up? Because I want to purchase the game on the platform I use which THQ decided not to release on in the UK due to whatever deal they have that is not best for its customers. Point not taken.

Your point is not taken, I didn't sign up to another download service, I didn't buy a physical box. I bought a CD key specifically designed to be activated on steam, I downloaded on steam, I played on steam, I got achievements on steam, I probably also saved money on what steam would have charged me like I did on deus ex.
Zayfod 13th September 2011, 15:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
It's funny that you say Game don't even stock PC games unyet they are available on there website and if I go in to my local store I can buy PC games. which is where I buy 90% of my games from in the 1st place.

I think you need to actually look at the website and store 1st before spouting rubbish.

http://www.game.co.uk/en/games/pc-games/

I admittedly exaggerated for effect here, the two or three branches near to me do have a laughably small PC section, stocked with a few copies of whatever the latest Call of Honour type game is, and then filled out with stuff that I really can't explain why they would have, such as this gem.

You are obviously lucky that your local branch is better stocked.

For my oversight of their online presence, I really can't excuse that, I had completely forgotten they had one.
nev 13th September 2011, 19:18 Quote
You obviously missed their best game http://www.excalibur-publishing.com/streetcleaning.htm
0 14th September 2011, 01:03 Quote
I love all the people instructing each other to grow up, often in faltering English, as though evangelizing for or against some computer game retail outlet is such a noble and adult pursuit. Obviously it's fine to have an opinion, but why be so high and mighty about it?

Oh, sorry, I forgot. This is the Internet.
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