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Activision doubts Battlefield 3 console performance

Activision doubts Battlefield 3 console performance

Activision CEO Bobby Kotick has cast doubt on the console performance of BF3.

Activision CEO Bobby Kotick has said he has doubts over whether Electronic Arts' Battlefield 3 will perform as well on consoles as the developer is promising.

Speaking to CNBC over the course of E3 2011, Kotick said that only the PC version of Battlefield 3 has been shown so far, which is not where the bulk of the sales will eventually be.

'So far I’ve only seen Battlefield 3 on a PC, I haven’t seen it on a console where the bulk of our business is,' Kotick told CNBC.

'If it’s just a PC title, as it looks like today, that’s just a small audience to participate,' he added.

Electronic Arts and Activision have been trading blows on the topic a lot lately, with EA's CEO John Riccitiello promising that Battlefield 3 will easily outsell Activision's Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3.

Battlefield 3's release date was announced yesterday, at E3 2011.

Check out our Battlefield 3 preview or watch the trailer below to see the PC version of Battlefield 3 in action, then let us know your thoughts in the forums.

You can check out other news from the show via our E3 2011 News hub.

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Madness_3d 9th June 2011, 13:50 Quote
WELL HE CAN GO TO HELL... small audience... the cheek of it... Seriously
bogie170 9th June 2011, 13:53 Quote
Kotick = Dick

Obviously he is worried about BF3 launching 2 weeks before MW3 and stealing all his money!

MW3 = no dedicated servers, pay for COD Elite community features = NO BUY

BF3 = Dedicated servers, free battlelog = BUY

boycott MW3!!!
mkb 9th June 2011, 13:55 Quote
BF3 >> MW3. He better be worried, BF3 looks like it's going to be an absolute awesome game. Shame that can't be said for any of the last MW's
Jake123456 9th June 2011, 13:56 Quote
I want to kick this guys ass.
r3loaded 9th June 2011, 13:59 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madness_3d
WELL HE CAN GO TO HELL... small audience... the cheek of it... Seriously
He's a troll, don't get too angry.
StoneyMahoney 9th June 2011, 14:01 Quote
I've skipped over pretty much every FPS since BF2 came out, bored of the genre, and yet I'm very strongly considering a full rebuild on my PC to get it up to spec in time for BF3.
smc8788 9th June 2011, 14:02 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by r3loaded
He's a troll, don't get too angry.

Not a very bright troll either....he seems to forget that WoW and Starcraft make up a large portion of his company's revenue. Small audience my arse.

Either this guy is an incompetent moron as well as being the world's biggest asshole, or he's lying through his teeth.
Shayper09 9th June 2011, 14:06 Quote
He is high up on my list of people that I would like to hit in the face with an axe.

Small audience, no dedicated servers AGAIN... go f*ck off and die under a hedge...
NethLyn 9th June 2011, 14:09 Quote
It's sad that trolls can rise from their natural habitat of the internet forum to run worldwide gaming publishing companies.

Now I have a console the most I would do would be to rent an Activision title and I haven't even done that yet - the cutscenes of MW3 look good, maybe they should do a deal with Channel 5 and string them together into a film like Rockstar did with Red Dead Redemption.
shigllgetcha 9th June 2011, 14:15 Quote
This from the company that chruns out COD
Phalanx 9th June 2011, 14:16 Quote
My god, what an absolute knobjockey. Yeah, nice one, fool: Berate the people that made Call of Duty what it was.
samkiller42 9th June 2011, 14:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
I haven’t seen it on a console where the bulk of our business is

That's because your a douche!!


Sam
atlas 9th June 2011, 14:17 Quote
What a dick seriously. Does he know that PC only games exist and are actually successful sometimes (starcraft 2). Never buying an Activision game again but since I only buy for PC guess I'm not his target market.
crazy95 9th June 2011, 14:20 Quote
what a sad ass
has to give other games crap about being better than theres
no matter what bf3 will look like on consoles the people like me that want realism have a high end pc
anyway bf3 should look better on consoles compared to mw3 thats almost certain
atlas 9th June 2011, 14:22 Quote
Well maybe I'll still buy some blizzard games, pity they own them.
SpAceman 9th June 2011, 14:25 Quote
Oh Bobby you troll! Us PC gaming master race know better than to listen to your ramblings. I am sure the console gamers will have a perfectly adequate experience with BF3. All that was really said was that it wont be as good as it will be on PC. Can only be expected this far into the console life cycle. Luckily Dice doesn't seem to compensate for the consoles by using an outdated engine that caters for the lowest common denominator.
scuppy 9th June 2011, 14:26 Quote
sound the like words from a worried little boy.
DragunovHUN 9th June 2011, 14:29 Quote
Translation: "BF3 please leave our precious cash cow platform alone, you're too awesome to run on it anyways."
Aracos 9th June 2011, 14:39 Quote
As soon as I read what he said I immediately thought "oh god do I want to see the comments". And who is interviewing activision and id today? Is it gonna be Activision id day?
Dosvedagna 9th June 2011, 14:39 Quote
Further Translation "I played BF2 once and it was awesome. As CEO of Activision it is now my job to publicly **** my pants".

Cant wait for BF3
TheLegendJoe 9th June 2011, 14:43 Quote
Its not only about money, its about keeping your fans happy to- Which DICE seem to be doing! Congrats to them making BF3 to the top of their game! Worry about console ports another time, or on the new hardware that'll be out next year...
kornedbeefy 9th June 2011, 14:43 Quote
In other news. Carmack states he should have focused on PC first then port to console.....from his 20min interview at E3.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...deo-interview/
Ph4ZeD 9th June 2011, 14:46 Quote
The second they start attacking you, you know they are worried.
V3ctor 9th June 2011, 14:47 Quote
I loled

E3 2011: Bobby Kotick wanted to play Battlefield 3 at E3. EA said No.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/306431/news/bobby-kotick-wanted-to-play-battlefield-3-at-e3-ea-said-no/
Ross1 9th June 2011, 14:49 Quote
isnt this the sort of "news" you said you werent going to bother posting here?
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2011/05/31/on-games-churnalism/1

that was like.... a week ago.
SighMoan 9th June 2011, 14:58 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross1
isnt this the sort of "news" you said you werent going to bother posting here?
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2011/05/31/on-games-churnalism/1

that was like.... a week ago.

QFT
runadumb 9th June 2011, 14:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by kornedbeefy
In other news. Carmack states he should have focused on PC first then port to console.....from his 20min interview at E3.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com...deo-interview/

Yeah but he also worded the PC market as being a small portion of potential sales :( sad too hear that coming from carmack.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/08/e3-2011-our-john-carmack-interview-covers-rage-the-pc-and-gamma-corrected-anti-aliasing/
is that the same interview? Not sure as your link isn't working for me.

Hope BF3 sells huge numbers on PC
scott_chegg 9th June 2011, 14:59 Quote
Maximum number of gamers on steam in the last 48 hours = 3.1 Million.
Number of spotty teenagers who will be crying to mummy and daddy to get them MW3 for the consoles = 10's of millions.

He has got a point tho. I doubt the current gen of consoles could produce the kind of visuals we've seen from the PC version of BF3 so far. It was a pretty bold claim for DICE to make.

I can't really comment myself as I don't own a console due to the fact that they are sh*te.
Madness_3d 9th June 2011, 15:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by r3loaded
He's a troll, don't get too angry.

I'm not really angry, just amazed at the ability of a corporate to insult a chunk of their user base. And clearly the MW3 guys are concerned
Apocalypso 9th June 2011, 15:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Kotick
If it’s just a PC title, as it looks like today, that’s just a small audience to participate,'

Silly man, all that Warcraft money has made him soft in the head.
DriftCarl 9th June 2011, 15:06 Quote
So that is an admission that the PC version of BF3 looks better than any version of MW3(even on PC) that he has seen so far.
I am sure the console version won't look as good as the PC version for obvious reasons. But it sounds to me that activision are slightly worried
javaman 9th June 2011, 15:10 Quote
I know of 4 friends willing to dump consoles for PC just for Skyrim, why wont this be any different? Most of them seem to be getting frustrated with PSN outages, PC's graphics looking better and increased love of steam is helping.
proxess 9th June 2011, 15:11 Quote
If they program BF3 direct-to-hardware, then even XBox will handle it OK. PS3 will churn it out easily. Even if they don't, I doubt it'll be the end of the world.

COD can suck bawls.
Centy-face 9th June 2011, 15:16 Quote
I suspect the MW3 people are nervous because they had 3 seperate teams working on it. I mean Black Ops was a ****ing disaster but it had 1 full team working on it.

He's clearly using the mentality of the CoD player in that if they come across someone doing slightly better in whatever way they start insulting them. What Kotick said there is no different than playing MW2 and someone on the other team saying "your mum is a slag" right after you kill them.

So what if the PC has a smaller gaming userbase? So what if it's only been shown on the PC, there's been no MW3 on PC footage does that mean it wont work on that? No! So what if MW3 outsells BF3 2:1 (which it likely will) BF3 will probably be the better game and will be played and supported far longer.

Personally I'm staying well clear of all this nonsense and awaiting the sleeper hit that will be Red Orchestra: Heroes of Stalingrad.
HyBry 9th June 2011, 15:22 Quote
'So far I’ve only seen Battlefield 3 on a PC, I haven’t seen it on a console where the bulk of our business is,'

The way I read it:
"You make a great PC game. We make a great console game. PC games tend to suck on console, right?"
sotu1 9th June 2011, 15:41 Quote
A sucky PS3/Xbox port would still be a better game than COD....
Tsung 9th June 2011, 15:43 Quote
So BF3 wont perform well on a console, .. Activisions "bulk of business" is on the console and not on the PC, therefore.... we can assume MW3 is a console game, written for consoles.

Turn that around, MW3 is a console game, BF3 wont perform well on a console as it is a PC game. Thus, MW3 is not as good as BF3 ? Really is that what Activision are saying?
feathers 9th June 2011, 15:44 Quote
The futility of Kotick's words. It will be an even smaller audience who regard his statements as accurate or factual. I lost interest in the COD series after the excellent COD 2. The COD modern warfare games bored the pants off my hot asian girlfriend.
Phalanx 9th June 2011, 15:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsung
Activisions "bulk of business" is on the console and not on the PC...

I didn't know World of Warcraft had launched on console!
damien c 9th June 2011, 15:48 Quote
For me I will not be buying Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 as they are just the same as the previous versions, with a new name slapped on the face of it.

Granted Battlefield 3 looks amazing but the multi player side of the game I will say now will be garbage, 2 or 3 game modes with Sniper Rifles not killing with 1 shot but requiring 4 or 5 just like Battlefield Bad Company 2 actually hitting them and the, hit marker coming up like what happens to me every time I try to play it.
Pistol's killing you with 1 shot from what would effectively be 1 mile or more away, same with the shotgun's etc.
Instant death as soon as you spawn because the map's are so one sided and you can lock a team in to there spawn so they can't move.
Modern Warefare 3 or as I like to call it Call Of Duty Modern Cheatfest 3, will be full of people using Aimbot's and Wallhack's, full of lag and the typical Quick Scoping moron's spoiling the game, with Assault Rifle users being outgunned by a pistol etc biggest problem Steam and VAC dictating when you can and cannot play your game and letting the cheaters run riot as it can't ban them.

The whole of gaming is dead for me now, to many crappy console ports to many games using the worthless anti cheat system know as VAC.

I just wish I had seen all this lot before I spent £1300 on the upgrades for my pc and spent the money instead on a new mountain bike, and beer atleast that would have been more entertaining than any of these games are going to be.


Kotick or what ever his name is worried about Battlefield 3 simply because of the release date, and the fact that at the moment it will be more appealing to the pc gamers than MW3 but let's not be stupid here and just remember, MW3 will easily outsell Battlefield 3 because of the die hard console fan's of the Call Of Duty Series.

Maybe if Dice release a new version of Medal Of Honor that isn't a direct copy of Battlefield, with just a new name but the same game types and the exact same flaws etc and take Medal Of Honor back to the good old days of it where it actually was able to compete with Call Of Duty, then maybe Kotick will be more worried about that for obvious reason's considering I would rather play MOH than COD because it's a far better game except for the last one because that was not MOH it was BFBC2 with MOH slapped on the disc.

Maybe if a console manufacturer releases a keyboard and mouse for there system, then PC gaming will die because people won't see the need to spend hundred's or thousands of pounds on a pc just to play the latest game, as they will be able to spend £300 and play them just fine.

I want to see PC gaming survive and get to where it use to be but I don't see it happening hence why I want a keyboard and mouse for a console, and then I will save money but I don't have to worry about playing a crappy looking game on a pc because the developers decided the pc is not worthy of a better game.
Hovis 9th June 2011, 15:59 Quote
The COD mob are justifiably worried because BF3 has clearly set itself up to kick them in the balls with its release day. Can't see why the consoles won't be able to handle it though, looks mostly scripted and whatnot.
will_123 9th June 2011, 16:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
For me I will not be buying Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 as they are just the same as the previous versions, with a new name slapped on the face of it.

Granted Battlefield 3 looks amazing but the multi player side of the game I will say now will be garbage, 2 or 3 game modes with Sniper Rifles not killing with 1 shot but requiring 4 or 5 just like Battlefield Bad Company 2 actually hitting them and the, hit marker coming up like what happens to me every time I try to play it.
Pistol's killing you with 1 shot from what would effectively be 1 mile or more away, same with the shotgun's etc.
Instant death as soon as you spawn because the map's are so one sided and you can lock a team in to there spawn so they can't move.
Modern Warefare 3 or as I like to call it Call Of Duty Modern Cheatfest 3, will be full of people using Aimbot's and Wallhack's, full of lag and the typical Quick Scoping moron's spoiling the game, with Assault Rifle users being outgunned by a pistol etc biggest problem Steam and VAC dictating when you can and cannot play your game and letting the cheaters run riot as it can't ban them.

The whole of gaming is dead for me now, to many crappy console ports to many games using the worthless anti cheat system know as VAC.

I just wish I had seen all this lot before I spent £1300 on the upgrades for my pc and spent the money instead on a new mountain bike, and beer atleast that would have been more entertaining than any of these games are going to be.


Kotick or what ever his name is worried about Battlefield 3 simply because of the release date, and the fact that at the moment it will be more appealing to the pc gamers than MW3 but let's not be stupid here and just remember, MW3 will easily outsell Battlefield 3 because of the die hard console fan's of the Call Of Duty Series.

Maybe if Dice release a new version of Medal Of Honor that isn't a direct copy of Battlefield, with just a new name but the same game types and the exact same flaws etc and take Medal Of Honor back to the good old days of it where it actually was able to compete with Call Of Duty, then maybe Kotick will be more worried about that for obvious reason's considering I would rather play MOH than COD because it's a far better game except for the last one because that was not MOH it was BFBC2 with MOH slapped on the disc.

Maybe if a console manufacturer releases a keyboard and mouse for there system, then PC gaming will die because people won't see the need to spend hundred's or thousands of pounds on a pc just to play the latest game, as they will be able to spend £300 and play them just fine.

I want to see PC gaming survive and get to where it use to be but I don't see it happening hence why I want a keyboard and mouse for a console, and then I will save money but I don't have to worry about playing a crappy looking game on a pc because the developers decided the pc is not worthy of a better game.

As soon as I heard the first few lines. I stopped and realised the mountain of text was garbage.
Fizzban 9th June 2011, 16:16 Quote
Seriously this guy needs to be gagged. Every time he opens his mouth he comes out with some crap.
do_it_anyway 9th June 2011, 16:25 Quote
So......much......LOL

Its endless LOL.
LOL at Activision running scared.
LOL at them admitting that consoles may not be good enough to run upcoming titles.
LOL at the realisation that games look better on PC and activision have been using ugly xbox versions for their trailers.

The tide is turning folks.
BF3 should win the retail war (over COD) and maybe a few more people will start to return to PC gaming. :D

Back, however, in the real world........lets just think for a second.
Is BF3 really going to win? How many COD fans are there playing consoles? Millions.
Ask a 15 year old xbox player, who has never played PC games before whether he is more excited about COD:MW3 or BF3..... THEN punch him on the nose.

BF3 WILL win the PC war. I am yet to be convinced it will win the console war. And sadly, that is where activision see their future.

I can see it now. Everyone buys BF3 on PC. Activision sell 4 copies of MW3 on PC and then announce that PC gaming is completely dead.
Hopefully EA and Dice will then say - "actually we made a mint out of BF3 you short sighted twerps".
But first we have to hope that people go and buy it, and its not ruined by it appearing on "most downloaded torrents....ever" within a few hours of release.
DragunovHUN 9th June 2011, 16:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fizzban
Seriously this guy needs to be gagged. Every time he opens his mouth he comes out with some crap.

He said he's only seen BF3 on PC. How is that crap? And why am i even defending Bobby Kotick?
Bauul 9th June 2011, 16:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
The whole of gaming is dead for me now, to many crappy console ports to many games using the worthless anti cheat system know as VAC.

I get the distinct impression the only thing you play is military FPS multiplayer?

In which case... yeah, unless BF3 is good you're pretty buggered!
Er-El 9th June 2011, 16:45 Quote
But Modern Warfare 3 may have dedicated server support.
BRAWL 9th June 2011, 16:55 Quote
Do not feed the trolls I guess.
Fizzban 9th June 2011, 16:56 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragunovHUN
He said he's only seen BF3 on PC. How is that crap? And why am i even defending Bobby Kotick?

'If it’s just a PC title, as it looks like today, that’s just a small audience to participate,'

That's crap imo. And yes, why are you defending him lol? Report to the Duty Sargent for your (RBI) punishment Private!
Bede 9th June 2011, 17:08 Quote
Who gives a **** what he says? Personally I think he is right (we *are* a small fraction of the total audience for FPS games, and the xbox BF3 is going to be seriously stripped down) but what he says has no bearing on my life. Stop worrying and enjoy life.
donok 9th June 2011, 17:24 Quote
after playing only COD for many years. i will deffo be getting BF3 this time. after blackops i was not impress.
Ergath 9th June 2011, 17:42 Quote
Interesting, but have you seen the full qoute of what he actually said?

"So far I’ve only seen Battlefield 3 on a PC, I haven’t seen it on a console where the bulk of our business is. Mmmm, this is great crack I'm smoking" Kotick told CNBC

:D
Mentai 9th June 2011, 17:42 Quote
Geez you guys had a pretty rabid response to this, talk about easily baited.

Running scared? Please. All Kotick is doing is replying to the EA smack talk. They know that the MW brand has enough of the console user base locked down that it would take several duds for those sales to transfer to BF, it certainly isn't going to happen from one game. Especially since we all know it won't look That much better on consoles compared to MW3.

BF3 will be a better game. I would bet my first born that it won't sell as much as MW3. That doesn't affect your enjoyment BF3, if anything it enhances it. Less CoD tards in your multiplayer. You get your PC master race FPS you've been waiting for since Crysis no matter what Kotick says, so stop being so reactionary.
feathers 9th June 2011, 17:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by damien c
For me I will not be buying Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 as they are just the same as the previous versions, with a new name slapped on the face of it.

Granted Battlefield 3 looks amazing but the multi player side of the game I will say now will be garbage, 2 or 3 game modes with Sniper Rifles not killing with 1 shot but requiring 4 or 5 just like Battlefield Bad Company 2 actually hitting them and the, hit marker coming up like what happens to me every time I try to play it.
Pistol's killing you with 1 shot from what would effectively be 1 mile or more away, same with the shotgun's etc.
Instant death as soon as you spawn because the map's are so one sided and you can lock a team in to there spawn so they can't move.
Modern Warefare 3 or as I like to call it Call Of Duty Modern Cheatfest 3, will be full of people using Aimbot's and Wallhack's, full of lag and the typical Quick Scoping moron's spoiling the game, with Assault Rifle users being outgunned by a pistol etc biggest problem Steam and VAC dictating when you can and cannot play your game and letting the cheaters run riot as it can't ban them.

The whole of gaming is dead for me now, to many crappy console ports to many games using the worthless anti cheat system know as VAC.

I just wish I had seen all this lot before I spent £1300 on the upgrades for my pc and spent the money instead on a new mountain bike, and beer atleast that would have been more entertaining than any of these games are going to be.


Kotick or what ever his name is worried about Battlefield 3 simply because of the release date, and the fact that at the moment it will be more appealing to the pc gamers than MW3 but let's not be stupid here and just remember, MW3 will easily outsell Battlefield 3 because of the die hard console fan's of the Call Of Duty Series.

Maybe if Dice release a new version of Medal Of Honor that isn't a direct copy of Battlefield, with just a new name but the same game types and the exact same flaws etc and take Medal Of Honor back to the good old days of it where it actually was able to compete with Call Of Duty, then maybe Kotick will be more worried about that for obvious reason's considering I would rather play MOH than COD because it's a far better game except for the last one because that was not MOH it was BFBC2 with MOH slapped on the disc.

Maybe if a console manufacturer releases a keyboard and mouse for there system, then PC gaming will die because people won't see the need to spend hundred's or thousands of pounds on a pc just to play the latest game, as they will be able to spend £300 and play them just fine.

I want to see PC gaming survive and get to where it use to be but I don't see it happening hence why I want a keyboard and mouse for a console, and then I will save money but I don't have to worry about playing a crappy looking game on a pc because the developers decided the pc is not worthy of a better game.

It's a shame you're "buying" an expensive PC just for gaming. I have an expensive PC I use for many purposes. A console will play expensive games and that is all (apart from multimedia play). On a PC I can setup a realistic flighstim like a10 from DCS, Simulator X with REX 2.0 and ORBX scenery (look it up on youtube) and use my pc as a music creation tool as well. The sony PS3 was hyped before release and sold by sony as a "supercomputer that will do more than just play games". For a while people were installing linux on it but of course sony didn't approve of that because in actual fact they want the now dated PS3 just to be a games platform they have total control over.

Whether you recognise it or not (you don't), BF3 represents a turning point in terms of game realism and we will be seeing a new level of cinematic gameplay with ever sophisticated character and environmental realism. There will be people out there who complain the multiplayer isn't what they want it to be, others play the game for the cinematic experience it brings and they care so much about whether or not the play is perfectly balanced. I played BC2 in single player and have played it online multi. Like it a lot.
KiNETiK 9th June 2011, 18:15 Quote
I'm a PC gamer and I always will be but unfortunately I agree with his comments. At the end of the day the PC is a small market when compared to the console market. If you compare the FPS genre (which is obviously what this game is), the PCs biggest of all time is probably Half-Life which according to vgchartz has sold 7.85 millions copies. Now compare this to the latest COD game (BLOPS). It has sold over 20 million copies on the PS3 and XBOX combined (just over 1 million on PC, but then it was total rubbish on PC). Now, we can probably assume that BF3 won't sell close to 8 million copies (well not straight away anyway) like HL has done. If it managed 4 million on the PC it would be doing EXTREMELY well but this is still likely to be only a fifth of what the console market achieves based on the COD numbers. I am starting to make assumptions on how much BF3 will sell on the PC but I think you get the idea on the market size..

In order for BF3 to conquer the crap that is COD, it has to run smooth and be very usable with a controller on the consoles. Hopefully DICE will be able to disprove his comments and show it running amazingly on all formats.

I can't wait for BF3. Role on the beta!
Sloth 9th June 2011, 19:02 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragunovHUN
He said he's only seen BF3 on PC. How is that crap? And why am i even defending Bobby Kotick?
Because sometimes people are ready to turn into rabid wolves just because they don't like the person talking.

Fact of the matter is that EA's made its own jabs at MW3 and Activision's making some jabs back. What's more he may not be entirely wrong, Bad Company 2 didn't do nearly as well on consoles as MW2 despite good sales on PC and falls far behind in total sales as well. Why should BF3 do much better? Will anyone here be buying BF3 on a console? I sure as hell won't be and doubt many Battlefield fans will, fans of the series are primarily PC gamers coming from the previous PC only games (I don't think it should even be offered on consoles in the first place). It seems entirely reasonable to question the console performance of the game.

And on a side note to many in the thread, Call of Duty games have sold more than Battlefield games. Wahhh. Don't get so butthurt just because games you don't like are more successful than the ones you do like. If you think your game is better then enjoy it and stop whining when people don't agree with you. Calmly knowing we have the better games and don't need massive sales to make ourselves feel better is a hallmark of the superior PC gamer. ;)
OCJunkie 9th June 2011, 19:06 Quote
Aw, don't be so hard on little Activision... poor *******s, they're only trolling because they know all too well that EA is about to tear them some new buttholes with BF3.
tcool93 9th June 2011, 19:17 Quote
'If it’s just a PC title, as it looks like today, that’s just a small audience to participate,' he added.
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Any true gamer would play it on a PC, not a console. I also disagree with his comment about PC's being a small audience. They are idiots if they think that.

PC's have many more features than any console does, and that is fact. Especially for shooter games like this, and mmorpg games.

Some game makers like to hype up consoles because they know they can rip people off with extremely high prices for console games.
DbD 9th June 2011, 19:17 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by KiNETiK
I'm a PC gamer and I always will be but unfortunately I agree with his comments. At the end of the day the PC is a small market when compared to the console market. If you compare the FPS genre (which is obviously what this game is), the PCs biggest of all time is probably Half-Life which according to vgchartz has sold 7.85 millions copies.

Being as most steam users have HL your basically saying there are less then 10 million steam users.

OR ...

vgchartz is just an approximation which doesn't include download (i.e. steam), and doesn't count when it's bundled in some pack (e.g. orange box). So in fact it wouldn't surprise me if there were > 20 million HL sales.
Skiddywinks 9th June 2011, 19:28 Quote
And this is the reason everyone hates Kotick; the size of the target audience is more important to him than the quality of the game. You have it there in basically his own words, as if you needed to quote anything else this knob-headed ass jockey has said.
feathers 9th June 2011, 19:37 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiddywinks
And this is the reason everyone hates Kotick; the size of the target audience is more important to him than the quality of the game. You have it there in basically his own words, as if you needed to quote anything else this knob-headed ass jockey has said.

LOL. Kotick the knob-headed ass jockey.
Phil Rhodes 9th June 2011, 19:52 Quote
I tend to agree with the guy who spend a lot of money on PC upgrades and is disappointed to see there's really nothing worth playing. I mean, there's nothing worth playing on any platform, really, but as a PC owner I'm experiencing a feeling that reminds me what it felt like to be an Amiga user in about 1994. I bought a new rig a couple of months ago - for work, but it'll play games very nicely thanks - and it seems that all there is to wait for is the next Deus Ex. Which will, going by the trailers, turn out to be a massive, massive disappointment.
cgthomas 9th June 2011, 19:57 Quote
Well of course you want to sell as much when you release a product, but let's not forget that the product has to be f*ing decent in the first place. Which really can't be said for the last 3 CoD's.
I think when developers focus on creative output and quality material they really get to shine and sell well.
That's what CoD4 did in my opinion. It had kind of new concept, well executed and didn't have many bugs on release. All sequels that followed were plain rubbish, no creativity and shitty releases on PC.

I think that when a developer builds a game for PC first, they pretty much ensure that their C++ (or whatever else they may use) works to a near-perfect extent. Then when they port the code to Xbox or PS3 they can focus on tweaking and downscaling the resolution, etc.
Upscale from rubbish graphics is sh*t while downscale from nice graphics is still nice (patented theory).

Kotick can say whatever he wants, we were ones his bitch and know Dice pleases us in ways he never dreamt of.
KiNETiK 9th June 2011, 20:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by DbD
Being as most steam users have HL your basically saying there are less then 10 million steam users.

OR ...

vgchartz is just an approximation which doesn't include download (i.e. steam), and doesn't count when it's bundled in some pack (e.g. orange box). So in fact it wouldn't surprise me if there were > 20 million HL sales.

You make a good point, I am not sure if vgchartz includes digital sales from steam. I don't think they do now that I have done a bit more research into how many copies HL has sold (around 10 million retail, before digital taken into account). But remember, this is over a 13 year period, not a year..
Sloth 9th June 2011, 20:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by tcool93
'If it’s just a PC title, as it looks like today, that’s just a small audience to participate,' he added.
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Any true gamer would play it on a PC, not a console. I also disagree with his comment about PC's being a small audience. They are idiots if they think that.

PC's have many more features than any console does, and that is fact. Especially for shooter games like this, and mmorpg games.

Some game makers like to hype up consoles because they know they can rip people off with extremely high prices for console games.
I swear people try to not understand what others say just so they can make arguments that rely on their misunderstanding.

Bad Company 2 total sales: 2.3 million. Black Ops more than doubled that in just 24 hours with, surprise surprise, the majority of their sales being on consoles. There are more console gamers interested in cross platform FPS games than PC gamers thus PC is a smaller audience. Note that "audience" does not mean total PC gamers, it means total PC gamers with an interest in buying.
KiNETiK 9th June 2011, 20:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
I swear people try to not understand what others say just so they can make arguments that rely on their misunderstanding.

Bad Company 2 total sales: 2.3 million. Black Ops more than doubled that in just 24 hours with, surprise surprise, the majority of their sales being on consoles. There are more console gamers interested in cross platform FPS games than PC gamers thus PC is a smaller audience. Note that "audience" does not mean total PC gamers, it means total PC gamers with an interest in buying.

While I agree with what you are saying, I think Bad Company 2 has surpassed 5 million sales. Still only a 5th of those were PC
Eiffie 9th June 2011, 20:30 Quote
I'm gonna buy BF3 for sure now just to stick it to that CoD tard.
Sloth 9th June 2011, 20:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by KiNETiK
While I agree with what you are saying, I think Bad Company 2 has surpassed 5 million sales. Still only a 5th of those were PC
Hm, perhaps my source was only for one platform and negelected to say, I looked more and found that IGN have an article saying 5 million so that seems reputable.

Black Ops still topped that in 24 hours and more than triples it in total so the point still remains. History of previous Call of Duty games and previous Battlefield games has shown that the money is in consoles.
KiNETiK 9th June 2011, 20:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
Hm, perhaps my source was only for one platform and negelected to say, I looked more and found that IGN have an article saying 5 million so that seems reputable.

Black Ops still topped that in 24 hours and more than triples it in total so the point still remains. History of previous Call of Duty games and previous Battlefield games has shown that the money is in consoles.

Yup agreed. Tbh I don't really care who is saying what from EA and Activision. It looks like DICE have put together an amazing game that will look and play really well on the PC :)
Fizzban 9th June 2011, 20:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
I swear people try to not understand what others say just so they can make arguments that rely on their misunderstanding.

But of course, this is what internet forums are for. Duh! ;)
SexyHyde 9th June 2011, 21:53 Quote
so he wants at least a few more years out of the current consoles BUT is acknowledging that they currently lag behind PC for performance. think the next few years may play out a bit differently to what people expect, i've got a few friends that have stopped using xbox live and have largely stopped using their xboxs too, some are contemplating getting gaming PCs too. think the console market may be stalling a bit.
faceplant 10th June 2011, 00:23 Quote
I personally think BF3 will bring hardcore BFBC2 gamers from consoles to PC.

Console gamers know they are limited to the hardware in their machines and if they want the best GFX, faster game play and an all round better community then the PC is the way forward for next gen games.

Quite frankly I can't get my brain and thumbs around how you play a FPS on a pad, although the old skool joysticks might be coming out for BF3.

(remake FA18 Interceptor (you youngun's won't remember this) with Frostbite 2, hint hint )


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Quoting Kinetic ' I think Bad Company 2 has surpassed 5 million sales. Still only a 5th of those were PC '
1 million sales for the PC is still 30,000,000+ in the bank...millions more than the cost to develop the game....nice profit.
The_Beast 10th June 2011, 00:30 Quote
Who is this guy? I've never heard of him before
cgthomas 10th June 2011, 01:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
Who is this guy? I've never heard of him before

He's some troll who from time-to-time comes over here and throws some comments. I told the editor to ban him from this site
feathers 10th June 2011, 01:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by faceplant
I personally think BF3 will bring hardcore BFBC2 gamers from consoles to PC.

Console gamers know they are limited to the hardware in their machines and if they want the best GFX, faster game play and an all round better community then the PC is the way forward for next gen games.

Quite frankly I can't get my brain and thumbs around how you play a FPS on a pad, although the old skool joysticks might be coming out for BF3.

(remake FA18 Interceptor (you youngun's won't remember this) with Frostbite 2, hint hint )


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Quoting Kinetic ' I think Bad Company 2 has surpassed 5 million sales. Still only a 5th of those were PC '
1 million sales for the PC is still 30,000,000+ in the bank...millions more than the cost to develop the game....nice profit.

I remember F18 Interceptor because it's the game that made me buy an Amiga 500. I hooked up a 15 inch speaker under my chair to a low pass filter and amp so I could feel the kick of afterburners.

"Quite frankly I can't get my brain and thumbs around how you play a FPS on a pad, although the old skool joysticks might be coming out for BF3. " - Using a joystick to control FPS character movement is just plain wrong. Slow and inaccurate. Needless to say console FPS need dumbed-down AI to allow for the slow reactions of the console player.

What really annoys me is how some kiddies like to play driving games on a console using crappy thumb-sticks and race with external view above and behind the car. Makes me want to slap them.
Ayrto 10th June 2011, 02:54 Quote
His is the counsel of despair . Activision like many other US studios, seem to have given up , on creating something that will blow PC gamers away. There are quite a few big titles scheduled this year and next, that seem, (based on screenshots) no different, graphically on PC, to how they look on consoles.

Which begs the question; how will they know if poor PC sales aren't just a product of lack of studio PC effort on their part, rather than the sales just generally not being there to be had? They never seem to get asked this.
mattbailey 10th June 2011, 09:59 Quote
MW3 has no substance to generate press interest, so the only way they can get headlines is to poke BF3 - not really a strategy, just desperation!
Nikols 10th June 2011, 10:45 Quote
Man I hate activisions attitude.... to everything

Bit-tech can u do up a special tshirt to send it to this guy which reads:
"Churn out till it burns out!"
Kakeshoma 10th June 2011, 12:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by scott_chegg

He has got a point tho. I doubt the current gen of consoles could produce the kind of visuals we've seen from the PC version of BF3 so far. It was a pretty bold claim for DICE to make.

I can't really comment myself as I don't own a console due to the fact that they are sh*te.

DICE say the gameplay from the actual press conference was on console, so I guess they didn't notice the difference ;)

Anyways, f the consoles, and f u Bobby. CoD is going down!
Zurechial 10th June 2011, 12:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kakeshoma
DICE say the gameplay from the actual press conference was on console, so I guess they didn't notice the difference

Source?
I've read conflicting reports about this, with others saying that the BF3 footage we've seen was running on GTX 580s.

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As for Kotick, why do we even give him the benefit of broadcasting his sound bites? Yes, Bobby Kotick is an absolute ***** and represents everything I completely detest about the state of the modern games industry, but no, I doubt he's actually as stupid as to believe what he says in these controversial sound bites.
This was done as an attempt to drum up hype and fuel the CoD/BF3 marketing war. He knows that with the brand recognition of CoD on the consoles that no matter how good BF3 is the overall sales of MW3 will likely still be higher and so he calls their bluff to get the fanboyish hordes behind him.

From what I've seen it's worked well, even if it also managed to rile up the Battlefield fanboys just as much. Whether we like it or not, the people who care about Battlefield are mainly on PC. The people who care about CoD are on PC, X360 and PS3. It was a winning proposition for Kotick to make those comments, even if it makes him look like even more of a tool than he did before.

Let's not give him any more attention or airtime than he deserves. Please?
Kakeshoma 10th June 2011, 13:07 Quote
Check "gustavhalling" 's tweets...
Hypno 10th June 2011, 14:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
For me I will not be buying Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 as they are just the same as the previous versions, with a new name slapped on the face of it.

Granted Battlefield 3 looks amazing but the multi player side of the game I will say now will be garbage, 2 or 3 game modes with Sniper Rifles not killing with 1 shot but requiring 4 or 5 just like Battlefield Bad Company 2

So you didnt take the time to click hardcore mode in BFBC2? As in hardcore mode all bolt action sniper rifle kill in 1 shot and semi auto sniper rifle in 2 shots.
Gavo 11th June 2011, 04:14 Quote
He's just butthurt because he got denied entry to the invite-only demo.
Dedlite 11th June 2011, 11:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c

Maybe if a console manufacturer releases a keyboard and mouse for there system, then PC gaming will die because people won't see the need to spend hundred's or thousands of pounds on a pc just to play the latest game, as they will be able to spend £300 and play them just fine.

I want to see PC gaming survive and get to where it use to be but I don't see it happening hence why I want a keyboard and mouse for a console, and then I will save money but I don't have to worry about playing a crappy looking game on a pc because the developers decided the pc is not worthy of a better game.

Err...you *do* know that most PC owners use their machines for something other that games, right?
GravitySmacked 11th June 2011, 11:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by V3ctor
I loled

E3 2011: Bobby Kotick wanted to playHa Battlefield 3 at E3. EA said No.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/306431/news/bobby-kotick-wanted-to-play-battlefield-3-at-e3-ea-said-no/

Ha, nice!
Waynio 12th June 2011, 23:03 Quote
Hmmm, kotick making himself look good to gamers again I really think the article should be titled "Activision hopes Battlefield 3 console performance is bad so we don't lose sales for not keeping the genre fresh" .

It's marketing crap & a case of any news is good news with activision a CEO that trolls, it actually amuses me now & makes me laugh, he's a comedian :).
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