Should be interesting

Hooray, a Wii HD with a DS controller to play more god-awful games like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUx4AfAkbWo :/

'Possibly rivaling' six year old designs?

Given that you can build a PC that rivals them for what, £300, without any kind of economy of scale, I'd hope for Nintendo's sake they'd manage such a 'feat'.

So they are going to launch a new console in 2012, that is roughly as powerful (maybe a little bit more so) as consoles launched in 2005, and which Nintendo will need to get about 5yrs worth of shelf life from.....

Hmmm...the words Epic Fail come to mind.

Do not be so fast to shoot down the idea that the console will have 5 year old tech in it as the tech in the wii was already old when that came out and that did not stop Nintendo making money from it.

The current consoles have aged well in comparison to older generations and don't need a huge upgrade to make them better - dx11 and more RAM would be a good start.

Its been rumoured that it will be using the same core that's in the HD48xx gpu's. Take into account that consoles are highly optimised this console could have some serious grunt. Once 1080p is hit then any extra horsepower is either wasted or goes toward AA. After all these consoles arn't gonna be played on anything larger. Using the older core also saves quite a bit since the manufacturing process will be mature and also less costly.

Nintendo took a very successful step back from the "me-too" culture of the spec obsessed competitors. That's what made it so successful. It offered something very different. And it took Sony and MS a while to catch up. Hopefully Nintendo have another ace up their sleeve with this one.

Rumours about however that Nintendo's next console will be a far more powerful machine than the Wii, possibly rivalling the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in terms of power and graphical grunt.

Can the world's retirees cope with this sort of extreme power.

Originally Posted by Hustler
So they are going to launch a new console in 2012, that is roughly as powerful (maybe a little bit more so) as consoles launched in 2005, and which Nintendo will need to get about 5yrs worth of shelf life from.....

Hmmm...the words Epic Fail come to mind.

Hmmmmmmmm........ the words the Wii was blindingly successful come to mind

Originally Posted by Kroy
Nintendo took a very successful step back from the "me-too" culture of the spec obsessed competitors. That's what made it so successful. It offered something very different. And it took Sony and MS a while to catch up. Hopefully Nintendo have another ace up their sleeve with this one.

I am inclined to disagree somewhat on this. Nintendo didn't so much take a step back, they realised they could not compete toe to toe with their competitors, so instead they re-evaluated the market and took a different approach. They made the console a family console rather than a traditional gamers console with what was considered a unique control approach at the time.

In my book, Nintendo is playing a losing game and has for the moment bided it's time with it's different approach. Something Microsoft and Sony have since picked up on and have begun to follow suit. It's costly to be an innovator as it doesn't take long for competitors to pick up on new ideas and make them their own.

The Wii certainly has it's appeal and though I don't own one personally, I know people that do and have played a few games on theirs and even had some fun along the way. The childlike cartoon style graphics always leave me unimpressed and make me feel like I am living back in the 80's.

Hopefully this new console will bring out something truly original and awe inspiring with not only good gameplay, original titles without the old re-runs and perhaps even some sign of more games with decent graphics than those a 5 year old could draw with a crayon.

Good for them. If it takes the Wii's innovation (compared to the 360 and PS3 which - at launch - were not innovative in the slightest) and combines that with great 1080p graphics (great in console terms), then they should do well.

Originally Posted by tristanperry
Good for them. If it takes the Wii's innovation (compared to the 360 and PS3 which - at launch - were not innovative in the slightest) and combines that with great 1080p graphics (great in console terms), then they should do well.

The Wii's only innovation was the controller, which now both PS3 and Xbox have versions of on their exsisting consoles. I cant really see any innovation that Nintendo can do that will shift 50m+ consoles like the wii did. Good 3rd party games would be innovative for Nintendo, they've never had it before.

In my book, Nintendo is playing a losing game and has for the moment bided it's time with it's different approach. Something Microsoft and Sony have since picked up on and have begun to follow suit. It's costly to be an innovator as it doesn't take long for competitors to pick up on new ideas and make them their own.


What do you mean it does'nt take long for competiors to pick up on new ideas, the wii has been out for years ,yet microsoft and sony only realeased their motion sensor devices at the end of last year.

For me Nintendo has always meant two things, extremely bad graphics and games for 5year olds and i doubt that it will change now. We actually have a wii but only because my wife got it for free through her job and ive given it a try but i was utterly disapointed with all aspects of it. Even my daughter who was 6 at the time played around with it for a few weeks and then it ended up in a closet. As long as Nintendo holds on to their god awful cuteness it will never be for me.

Originally Posted by Paulg1971
In my book, Nintendo is playing a losing game and has for the moment bided it's time with it's different approach. Something Microsoft and Sony have since picked up on and have begun to follow suit. It's costly to be an innovator as it doesn't take long for competitors to pick up on new ideas and make them their own.

What do you mean it does'nt take long for competiors to pick up on new ideas, the wii has been out for years ,yet microsoft and sony only realeased their motion sensor devices at the end of last year.

Back in 2005 at E3 the Wii controller system still wasn't 100% and they had best part of a year to refine it and get it working before the Wii went on sale at the end of 2006, by the end of 2007 they had outsold their competition with their 7th generation console, compared to Microsoft's 2nd gen and Sony's 3rd gen.

So up until the end of 2007 the Wii was just another console. Sony also released it's Eye Toy in 2007. Microsoft and Sony then went a step further than the original Wii remote and released their Kinect and Move motion sensing technologies. Is 2-3 years R&D, testing, software and driver development really that long a time?

Bearing in mind, the Xbox and PS3 have brought a new technology/peripheral to an existing console. Nintendo did not bring it out for it's Gamecube, it had to bring it out with a whole new console. For it's 8th generation console it's basically doing it again.

Given the Wii's apparent success, why then go on to build a new console and add a new control system instead of expanding the existing platform? The only reason I can think of is that the Wii was not built to last the generations, it was built for the then and now and was built with limitations that require another generation of console in order for Nintendo to continue to survive.

I've had the last 3 Nintendo consoles from launch, this time i don't know if i will. Really depends on system specs, now if it was a blu-ray player too it might draw more people in, but i very much doubt it will, or it would have a Blu-ray optical drive but not support films.

By being so different compared to ps3 and 360 that may be why it put more people off. The Wii was a great success but with this new one they should try improving on the more successful features of all 3 current gen machines

i would probably buy it just to play some mario and mario cart :D

Ive been scouring ebay for n64's for that sole reason

The wii was a great success financially but in the end it just ended up gathering dust. There were a few good titles but that's about it.

LOL at people already talking BS about the console and its specs, nintendo did it with its Wii and it was successful.

yeah, bet a lot of you are the ones who say "its not just about the graphics" yet here you are bashing the new console!

When I bought my Wii I wasn't a PC gamer. I don't see me buying this too quickly now.

What strikes me more is the codename. "Project Cafe" just sounds so relaxed and unimpressive compared to the "Revolution" which was the Wii. Maybe they were annoyed by how attached to the name Revolution fans got. Project Cafe just summons images of the Ninty bigwigs sitting round and going "Oh, I suppose it's time for a new console."

It's all rumours at the moment. And it is rumoured to be more powerful than a PS3. However, being a rumour, no one knows yet just how much more powerful that is.

Grammar Nazi does NOT approve:

"praphical grunt"

Oh yeah, 'rivaling the PS3"... doesn't that mean that by the time this new console is released, it will be out of date?

Better graphics didn't persuade me to get a 360 or PS3, I doubt it will for the wii+ either.


Super Smash Brothers Brawlpocalypse though.........that may just make me go back to consoles.

Hmm.. Interesting. The Wii was out before the 360 and the Ps3 allowing them to get some nice sales as they were the only thing new on the market. The next generation Sony and Microsoft devices will not be out until 2014 from what I read, this should allow Nintendo to grab some good sales from this device. It's good timing, just when everybody is getting tired of all their old consoles.

As many others mentioned, I do hope Nintendo come out with some kind of graphical enhancement. Also, a DVD feature would be pretty sexy. The Wii had a DVD compatible drive, but there was no software to utilise it (Outside of homebrew of course) I also think that if Nintendo want to win this war, they should do the opposite of Sony + Microsoft. Allow hackers to write their own software. This is something Sony and Microsoft have not allowed, especially not Sony.

What Nintendo need to do is follow the Wii business model. Ie unlike Sony and MS, don't massively subsidise a high end system and then recoup the costs as a console tax on games. Keep the games and consoles cheap. Even if they are technically a bit inferior to the competition, people will buy them if they're fun.

Had a N64 and loved it. As a console it was ok, but it just had a few games that were just so good they stayed with you for ever:

Mario
Mario Kart
Zelda Ocarina of Time
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark.

Wii was a huge bag of sh*t that I can not believe anyone but an 8 year old or a house wife could like.

I do not care if it made a boat load of money it was still rubbish, and all that motion control bolloc*s is old hat now; so they better have a new gimmick up their sleeve.

Originally Posted by javaman
Its been rumoured that it will be using the same core that's in the HD48xx gpu's. Take into account that consoles are highly optimised this console could have some serious grunt. Once 1080p is hit then any extra horsepower is either wasted or goes toward AA. After all these consoles arn't gonna be played on anything larger. Using the older core also saves quite a bit since the manufacturing process will be mature and also less costly.

48xx GPUs are power hungry and excessively hot. I doubt they'd touch them with a barge pole. Maybe the 58xx or 68xx series (which is more like a 57xx) might be worth it due to their lower power envelope and high throughput. The process on which they are manufactured has developed over the past year or so, so I don't think yield would be an issue.

If they can get support from game developers then this has a lot of potential in my opinion, that was the biggest problem with the wii, with 3rd party insistence that EVERYTHING had to be motion controlled a close second.
Play mario galaxy and mario kart, the motion control is there and it works, but the game isnt motion control centric...
Maybe the improved graphical grunt will persuade more companies to give it a try?
I get the impression that current-gen graphics are enough for most console gamers? Hopefully it wont be completely blown out of the water by sony and microsoft though, but i think their next consoles arent expected for a number of years?

My family and i actually really enjoyed the Wii, and although we have a PS3 the Wii got more use up until PS3's move setup. This next console should be interesting.

"power and praphical grunt"

Whatever that is, I needz more! :D

Originally Posted by jimmyjj


Wii was a huge bag of sh*t that I can not believe anyone but an 8 year old or a house wife could like.

I do not care if it made a boat load of money it was still rubbish, and all that motion control bolloc*s is old hat now; so they better have a new gimmick up their sleeve.

This.

I have played with my older sister's & her boyfriend's Wii ( shut it ) and I can safely say it is the most awful thing ever. Poor graphics, appalling games for the most part, and the controllers... I gave up trying to play mariokart as it was just impossible to steer a car with a steering wheel which wasn't attached to anything; my sister ( early 30s, just had her first kid ) loves it though because that's the mind-set it is designed to appeal to- non-serious gamers.

If you asked someone like that to play a game like HawX or COD then their brains would go into meltdown due to the advanced nature of gameplay and controls etc.

Also, this:

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Originally Posted by borandi
48xx GPUs are power hungry and excessively hot. I doubt they'd touch them with a barge pole. Maybe the 58xx or 68xx series (which is more like a 57xx) might be worth it due to their lower power envelope and high throughput. The process on which they are manufactured has developed over the past year or so, so I don't think yield would be an issue.

You can say that about any old tech. The HD5xxx and from memory don't the HD6xxx use a tweaked version of the R800. The HD4xxx used R700. If this is to have a working prototype and be on sale by Christmas it makes sense if they struck a deal to use left over R700 and thus keep price down and meet demand without effecting HD6xxx production. Yes ATI is moving to 28nm Southern Islands by the end of the year but it seems it'll just be a die shrink for the HD6xxx brought about by TSCM's delay in moving from 40nm. ATI's current strategy is to release a low end mainstream part before releasing the high end enthusiast parts so there will still be a delay before the HD69xx disappear.

If the Wii never existed, then neither would this:

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Or this!!

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if it gets all the ps3/xbox games released on it and can manage the res + framerates properly it will become the default new console purchase.

Higher specs, hmmm. Surely Mario, Luigi, Kirby and DK cant get any more polished. The majority of Nintendo's big earners games are all "Cartooney" like anyway.

Originally Posted by Drumm
Hmm.. Interesting. The Wii was out before the 360 and the Ps3 allowing them to get some nice sales as they were the only thing new on the market. The next generation Sony and Microsoft devices will not be out until 2014 from what I read, this should allow Nintendo to grab some good sales from this device. It's good timing, just when everybody is getting tired of all their old consoles.

As many others mentioned, I do hope Nintendo come out with some kind of graphical enhancement. Also, a DVD feature would be pretty sexy. The Wii had a DVD compatible drive, but there was no software to utilise it (Outside of homebrew of course) I also think that if Nintendo want to win this war, they should do the opposite of Sony + Microsoft. Allow hackers to write their own software. This is something Sony and Microsoft have not allowed, especially not Sony.

The Wii was released a whole year after the 360 and a few weeks before the PS3 actually.

Originally Posted by Furymouse
Better graphics didn't persuade me to get a 360 or PS3, I doubt it will for the wii+ either.


Super Smash Brothers Brawlpocalypse though.........that may just make me go back to consoles.

My roommates and I just split the cost of a Wii last night because we were craving some Brawl after competing a Brawl tournament and realizing how out of practice we were.

Here's to hoping Nintendo remember what they're best at, making fun games that people want even without high end graphics.

The elitism on display here is rather amusing. Even though it's obvious that the Wii was going in a different direction, people still moan and complain about the graphics or the controls to this day. And now that it's RUMOURED to be succeeded by a much more powerful console, people are still not happy.

Originally Posted by paisa666
LOL at people already talking BS about the console and its specs, nintendo did it with its Wii and it was successful.

yeah, bet a lot of you are the ones who say "its not just about the graphics" yet here you are bashing the new console!

Why you gotta be hatin', dog?

Originally Posted by omicron

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Originally Posted by paisa666
LOL at people already talking BS about the console and its specs, nintendo did it with its Wii and it was successful.

yeah, bet a lot of you are the ones who say "its not just about the graphics" yet here you are bashing the new console!

Why you gotta be hatin', dog?

not hating, just find amusing those comments... videogame platforms are made for entertaiment in diferent ways and nintendo took a diferent path from the others and proved really successful... they proved you dont need to be the most powerful sale, just innovative (tho I gotta say I dont own a Wii, my last ever console was a N64)

My personal view its that there's no hardcore gamers on consoles, and everyone expends his time in the entertainment one enjoys... Wii just opened a new market of "hardcore" gamers


..Yes hardcore gamers are US the PC gamers