Crysis 2 leaked
A full version of Crysis 2, with multiplayer functionality, has allegedly been leaked online.
Forum reports confirm that torrents of Crysis 2 are now 'all over pirate bay'.
We haven't downloaded files to check for ourselves because, as readers have already pointed out, that would only damage the future prospects of the game, especially on the PC platform. Besides; a demo is on the way.
The illegal build of Crysis 2 allegedly contains the full PC game, as well as full multiplayer functionality and has been leaked a full 49 days ahead of release.
Most worrying of all, the leak apparently contains the SolidShield master key for online authentication, potentially creating an even larger security problem for Crytek and Electronic Arts.
The leak is also said to contain the CryEngine 3 editor and is being labelled as a developer build, rather than review or final gold code.
In the light of this news, it's likely worth restating bit-gamer's position on discussion of piracy, namely that linking to or asking for illegal downloads will result in bans from the forum. Similarly, anyone offering advice on how to pirate games or seen to be inciting or encouraging piracy will be banned from the bit-gamer forums.
You can read our Crysis 2 preview for more information on the game, as well as let us know your thoughts in the forums.
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Discuss in the forums ReplyI mean, considering the number of games released every year, how many do you hear of that get leaked over a month before release? Either something very fishy is going on, or Crytek's employees are the most incompetent morons in the industry.
Cannot understand how it happened, but I highly doubt it's going to be anything but bad for PC gamers.
hahah!
This is just a beta test!!
But really,
how the hell does a game get leaked this early? surly people making games for pc's understand that this hurts their work?
must of been some low level employee who is ticked about how little money he makes.
I really have a feeling it was done on purpose. Maybe to build up the hype?
I'm thinking this as well.
This is SO not good. If it was maybe a few days before release, that wouldn't be such a disaster, but this is just another strike against developing for the PC
The good news is according to some that have accessed the leak it is indeed limited to DirectX9 only, and it reportedly crashes often as well. So with that said, the pirates aren't exactly getting the intended experience, and it's obvious that it's not representative of the final product.
http://filesmelt.com/dl/1297448287764.jpg
If this is the way it's going to be I couldn't care less.
Just a bit of perspective
http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/crysis-warhead-screenshot-4.jpg
http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediapool/news29072008_pcgames_5.jpg
Those shots aren't necessarily on max settings.
I was never really interested in the game but I may partake of this as an extended demo of sorts since we aren't worthy of anything else. I played the early release of the STALKER Xray engine to do a system test but it contained very little code beyond that and I avoided the HL2 leak as I was very excited to play the full game when it came out. Some how if this was hacked out like Half Life 2 I don't see the culprit being apprehended by the goodness of the hacker community like was the case with HL2 I doubt there's enough love for Crytek these days. Sure it sucks for them and whatever poor ******* gets the sack for it but I was very unlikely to do more than play the eventual demo as a system stresser anyway so meh.
This is most certainly bad news for Crytek as a developer though, someone's cocked up massively by leaking such a complete version.
that is definitely a really nasty thing to do to Crytek since i'm sure they put a lot of time into. Perhaps Kotick had his Goon Squad carry out the op.
I doubt this will affect overall sales if the console versions sell well but it definitely makes the pc community look bad even though our community is all around good souled.
Anyway, thanks for the heads-up bit-tech! I'll be downloading to check this out. Though if it's really only a DX9-running pile of crash, i might have to re-download it later.
Interesting. Interesting, threat indeed.
GTA4 for Xbox 360 was online as torrent a whole 3 weeks before release,
/sarcasm on
*shock* a console game? Pirated? impossible!
/sarcasm off
same goes for quite a few other games in the past... but still... 1 Month early is really a bit too early...
Why? Bit-tech can't be seen as a place that condones illegal activities. What next? how to cook your own crystal meth? (note: I am not comparing piracy to doing drugs, it was simply an example that was meant to be humorous)
Sorry to be a newby "quoter" but do you really think it's ok to pirate something if it's been a success, or hit some arbitrary quota (1 million sales in your case)?
I consider myself a gamer and will play games on consoles or pc, dependant mainly on how many friends will be playing it on a particular platform. That said my first love is pc gaming and I want it to prosper as Im sure most people on this forum do (I've been a lurker for a couple of years so I hope I'm not speaking out of turn). Hopefully Crysis 2 wil be worth getting hold of on a gameplay and technical level, and I will certainly buy it if it is.
At best I hope this is a publicity stunt to drum up interest. At worst though this makes me worry about pc gaming. Pc games are typically priced lower than consoles games, they must require more testing than fixed hardware platforms such as consoles, and they have the most demanding and critical consumer base. To top it off the pc is the only platform that has a user base that has in some cases seen fit to impose a try before you buy sales model for itself (via torrents or whatever else, and I bet many don't buy after the "try").
For what it's worth I'm a developer myself, mostly of public safety systems so were watching you. I also worked next to free-radical for a few years before they went bust or got bought out by Crytek, I dont know the details. All I can say is in all the years I worked next them, the developers were nice guys on not a lot of money by the looks of things but with a passion for (mainly pc) gaming. That's not to say the car park didnt contain a few exec 911s and Ferraris on most days.
Yeah, how dare people want to be more informed about their purchases, especially where their disposable income is involved. And how dare people try something and not think it's worth paying for. That is the fault of consumers, not developers. Who needs to make a compelling reason to purchase a game? They made a game, they DESERVE to be compensated. That's how business works, right?
Basically yes, that is how most commerce works. Do you go to see the start of a play before deciding it it's worth the money? Do you read the first half of a book in waterstones before deciding to buy it? Watch half of a film (maybe pay on the way out on dependant on how much you enjoyed it), jump out of a fair ground ride half way round, etc, etc. (These are contrived examples but in each case you may chosen to read a (bit-tech)review before handing over your cash)
I'm not saying I don't understand your view as games are expensive now, I'm really on your side on that issue. The problem is if a market starts to dictate it's own rules in that fashion then companies will see it as a massive risk. I understand the ethos of "if I like it then I'll buy it" but the problem is many won't buy it as they already have it. If you say to games developers, "i'll download your game pretty much play it though and then decide if I want to give you my £25" they're a lot more likey to just think we may as well just develop for consoles where it's much harder for the average owner to copy games.
Sorry if I got your back up, it really wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out why software houses might be put off developing for the pc in the long run if that model were to persist.
Originally Posted by Centy-face
Personally I am finding this hilarious. Crytek were crying like little babies about piracy despite selling more than 1 million copies of Crysis and now they ran off to the safety of the consoles. Adding in a little to late with no PC beta the one platform that truly needs a bug testing beta and now through their own or EA's ineptitude the entire game is now in the wild.
I think this posting is a dangerous and sinister attitude and this user should be addressed immediately by the bit-tech administrators as it clearly demonstrates and postulates feelings of empathy for piracy and can be viewed and even encourage some to have similar attitudes. Rhetoric like this can sway the readers of the forums to have opinionated politics of burglary and criminal acts that incrementally justify pirating.
If these "pirates" (which are speculated to have networked those in Somalia and other nefarious underworld elements) legitimize their right to steal from these companies and rob them of their intellectual property rights forcing them into poverty and essentially turning them into slaves by making them work free of charge. They, themselves become slave owners and users such as "Centy-Face" (which my sources tell me is an alias) become their propaganda spokespersons distributing a message discriminant bondage... And I support and commend Bit-tech completely in their zero tolerance policy and immediate banning of any kind of "encouragement" or "incitement" toward an issue with no gray area.
Seems to be true, its all over Piratebay.
What's this "Piratebay" you're referring to... :p
Suggestive and sarcastic comments such as this can land you in the headlights of Bit-Tech's "Ministry of Modding" which is a place I fear you will find quite uncomfortable...
modest systems seem to attain good framerates even when when recording with fraps with the current DX9 build maxed
No fraps Specs 1680x1050
i5 750 @ 4.2Ghz (1.34v)
2x2GB GSkill ECO 1600 MHz
GA-P55-UD6
GTX 480 @ 850/1700/2000 (at 1050mV default vid of 0.954mV
He doesnt dip from 60 fps with max settings on the half baked release
Piracy is seriously hurting the PC game industry. even if the affects arent as bad as its made out to be, the stigma alone causes producers and publishers to be more hesistant in investing in PC versions. I'm gonna get flamed for this but I really appreciate EA as a publisher lately, as they practically do not have any console exclusives anymore.
I'm gonna buy crysis 2 just cause i pirated crysis and well from everything I've seen online it lokos like it has more potential than crysis.
Surely we haven't had a PC game leak this early since Doom 3?
You can tell he's trying his hardest not to get a quick sneak peak in :p
That being said, I've been looking at the screenies in the Facepunch thread and it looks good graphically. Some scenes (inner city ones) looking pretty nice, some landscape ones looking awesome. Seems similar to Crysis 1 IMO, but naturally will be hard to tell without buying the game in March.
The game does seem to look better on low and medium settings, which would obviously make sense since it's a console release too.
I doubt this will affect sales much; the people who pirate games will still pirate it, the people who buy games aren't suddenly going to become pirates. Might miss out on a few sales to the people in the middle ground.
I volunteer to stomp each one of them I find :)
I wasn't condoning piracy at all I simply meant that Crytek were crying a little hard for a developer with over a million sales of 1 game in addition to all the copies of Far cry sold when other studios were having a hard time selling games. It just came across like they were spoiled brats demanding more instead of being happy with what they got.
As for the Free Radical guys from what I understand they never made any PC games they just ported Second Sight to PC from the PS2 version nothing else they made got to PC.
At the end of the day, with all the hype you'd expect it to have sold a few more copies than 1 million. Like I said, locally everyone had the game but almost no one bought it. Crytek has huge research departments and that money needs to come from somewhere. I doubt cryengine licensing is helping all that much.
I doubt they "give" 1 million copies to OEMs. Copies of Crysis 2 bundled with nVidia graphics cards will be part of the agreement in which nVidia gave millions of dollars to Crytek.
All I can say is I neither linked to nor gave advice on how to steal the game so trying to get BitTech to impose some sort of carpet bomb approach to peoples opinions is equally dangerous. I also in no way said other people should pirate it at all just that I might and I find the entire situation funny. Also indeed my username is an alias :P but I would have happily posted that statement under my own name without fear but really to say that I am a propaganda spokesperson for piracy is a bit harsh and speaks volumes to how much you read my post in the first place but more to the point if people are so easily led they will do what I say then god help us all.
Also inferring that Somali pirates or any kind of criminal underworld element could profit from this is just outright lunacy I think someones bought into the propaganda of the media industry a little too much.
I would like to point out the utter hypocrisy of posting this news in the first place. Bit Tech is doing far more to publicise the release of this than I am commenting on the story most people won't even bother to read the comments yet some how it's the few in the comments section that are getting the blame. Everyone knows how to google search for these items and will likely have it in seconds so Bit Tech posting about it is far more damaging than anything I could ever do so it would be in rather bad taste to ban anyone but those posting links.
I would say given the system requirements at the time of release they were lucky to get that many but it's all academic isn't it. They probably broke even at the very least and hell the game is still selling today.
Most of the scum that download this would probably steal it anyway, given the chance.
The main thing is that you didn't over generalise and make yourself look stupid.
Where did you read nvidia gave millions to crytek? Please dont tell me kitguru, that site is so full of crap its not even funny. There isnt a single reference of nvidia giving crytek money apart from that site. Nvidia probably provided free technical support and development advice, but i highly doubt they would pay millions to a single game company. Thats absolutely ludicrous.
Of-course they didnt give away a million copies, but its not unreasonable to say 50 000+ copies were given to OEMS at greatly reduced prices. My point was that of the 1 million copies, the minority would have been sold at full price.
This leak may have no effect on the game's sales (i hope) but its not a guarantee.
Furthermore I am highly doubtful that this leak originated from the dev's at crytek. I'd bet that its probably a QA build that was leaked. The industry is experiencing a lot of layoffs at the moment and I doubt any developer would do anything that could affect their job security...
The fact that nVidia contributes significant amounts of cash to games developers is very well established. They did so with Crysis for a very obvious reason - the game had a very significant impact on graphics cards sales, especially as nVidia had the best card available, the 8800 GTX. They also did the same with Mafia 2 to increase awareness of PhysX "needing" a second card for it. Is it SO hard to see that relationship?
and your proof? TWIMTBP offers development support and assistance, not cash. AMD claims nvidia paid developers to use physx, nvidia has denied it. No developers have come out saying that they received any compensation for implementing physx. Take for example the Batman AA fiasco, why do nvidia cards have AA? Cause nvidia sent engineers to the developers to help them implement AA on top of an engine that does not inherently support AA. AMD could have done the same but they didnt. It's easy to find conspiracies where there arent any.
Also you do realize that high end graphics cards do not constitute the bulk of nvidia's income. Nvidia made way more money off of the 8400/8500 cards than they did off of the 8800 series. At one stage almost every PC at work had an 8400GS in it since that was what the OEM bundled... So just for my work alone we had nearly 7000 8400cards. mid-range to low-end cards as well as specialized CAD oriented cards is nvidia's main source of income, not high-end cards. Do you really think that getting Joe Blogg gamer to buy an extra card for physx is really going to out weigh Joe Corporation buying 10000 8400GS's for their office PCs. OEM sales account for the majority of video card sales, video games will have little to no effect on the choice of cards for OEM manufacturers.
Your arguments are shortsighted and naive.
I'll wait for the actual release of the game and bit-tech's review before deciding whether to buy Crysis 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
+1
Nvidias actions on Batman AA were shameful.
And if it was so simple to do why didnt the game devs do it themselves... meh, I dont want to argue this point any further as it is completely off topic. And that wasnt the point I was trying to make with my post.
Really, who cares.
It's a console game. It'll be crap.
P
Music and movies will always be there, but PC games may not.
Why should developers spend millions developing PC games which they aren't going to make profit from when they can make buckets just developing console games? It really scares me that the PC gaming industry is soon going to collapse completely.
I'm sensing your plan to go from a wannabe game developer to a genuine game developer is to take it in the ass from nVidia. I'm sure your games will be popular when they only run well on nVidia cards.
that is true, but it's been consolified to death from the looks of it.
tiny levels, no suit functions (hold space to strength jump? :( ) and zero graphics advanced configurations, only Gamer, Advanced and Hardcore to choose from, not even AA. >:(
Gunsmith is going to cry. it's not the Crysis as we know it. i don't think it's even a Crytek game.
Shameful tactic by Nvidia.
As already stated above, it wasn't simply a case of Nvidia actively working to get the game working well on their hardware, they intentionally worked with the developer to lock down the AA support to Nvidia hardware only, even though it would work on their competitor's hardware too. That really is disgraceful behaviour, although i would be more concerned about the software developer's willingness to co-operate (which suggests some form of financial incentive).
Except a lot of "trusted reviewers" often rate down games that I highly enjoy, and rate up games that are garbage.
Example: Far Cry 2 got a 9 here and Bioshock got an 8. Both games I consider to be pretty bad.
Maybe if developers would stop trying to create so many distinctions between console and PC game versions and stop treating customers like thieves then maybe people would stop pirating their games.
Also, screw the new trend of pre-ordering the game to get access to the demo or beta.
What's wrong with you? Ever since you got that AMD GPU you've been going out of your way to talk trash about Nvida.
What's done is done, you can moan about it as much as you like, but nothing is going to change it.
I'm not trashing nVidia. I have in the past. Like any company theres upsides and downsides. They make fantastic cards and my next card will probably be a nVidia GPU. I see nothing wrong with them part-funding PC game development, especially games that push technical boundaries. If that means they sell more cards, so what? Lets look at the 560, which can be purchased for £190. Overclocked, this card is as fast as the 480 GTX. So in 9 months, you can buy the same power for half the price, on a cooler and more power efficient card. So I my estimation, nVidia have something special with Fermi and have advanced the industry considerably over the last year.
I'm responding to your post since it is the only reasonable one. I dont agree with what occured but its all too easy to simple justify it as anti-competitive when it could have been something else. Dont get me wrong, it could very well be anti-competitive but it could also be simply a matter of saving money doing QA. The nvidia implementation while working on nvidia cards may not have worked properly on ATI (even tho it did at the end). You cant just release an untested AA implementation and hope it works. Can you imagine the outrage if AA was enabled for ATI cards but was broken? It would be the whole Nvidia is evil fiasco all over again. There is no way for nvidia to come out looking good no matter what.
If nvidia was trying to get an advantage over ATI or if they were just being conscientious, they are the bad guys. Would you agree that it is not nvidia's job to test their implementation on ATI hardware? Even if they did test it they cant fix any problems, considering they have no technical knowledge of how ATI drivers operate. Nvidia shouldnt have implemented AA for the game, and the game should have launched without AA. That way nvidia would have come out clean. I highly doubt nvidia paid Eidos to implement AA, how many gamers do you know that would go out and buy a new video card just to enable AA for a single game?!?! There is no benefit to nvidia in that situation, at the end of the day it just screwed them over.
For example even tho forcing AA works for nvidia in Dead Space 2, it doesnt for ATI, now is that nvidia being anti-competitive again? Developing on PC is much harder than on consoles due to the varied hardware combinations. A game developer cannot simply test with a single card company and be done with it. Look at what happened with The Saboteur, the initial release would not work on ATI cards, even tho nvidia was not involved in any way. If money can be saved on testing then the publishers will save it. If the nvidia engineers implemented and tested AA for all nvidia cards, the publisher may simply have said "cool, thanks, we're not gonna pay for ATI QA so its locked to nvidia"...
I for one will not be downloading it and I will support Crytek, I have already pre-ordered it on play.com.
Well, what's done is done (as GeorgeStorm says). Valve managed to recover from the HL2 leak, as did id with Doom 3, so if the game's good enough, I sure it'll sell well.
What I'm getting sick of is people making disparaging remarks about the game BEFORE it's even been released; it seems it's the 'cool' thing to do.
Its just a bummer cause I'm sure some people will judge the game on what by all accounts is a unfinished beta/dev build...
This old chestnut rears it's grubby head up once again.
1) NVIDIA provide assistance / manpower / code to Eidos to support reliable AA in a game engine not famous for it's wonderful AA.
2) NVIDIA allegedly restrict Eidos from using the NVIDIA assisted AA logic to be used on non NVIDIA GPU platforms.
3) ATI fanbois have a hissy-fit that NVIDIA are playing dirty in not letting the code they helped with (in order to big-up their own platform) be run on competitors systems.
4) NVIDIA fanbois back NVIDIA, stating that ATI could have copied NVIDIA and provided their own assistance / methods / code to support reliable AA.
5) A few people understand the ins-and-outs of it all. The rest just stamp their feet and wave their arms.
So here's what I think. Nvidia didn't do anything to "hurt" those with ATI GPUs. They only took action to benefit their own customers. It's Eidos who made the deal, they could have said "Thanks for the offer, but if it doesn't benefit all of our customers we can't agree to your help under those terms".
If Nvidia hadn't taken any action, then neither would have AA at all. Or.... both platforms would have poor AA.... I guess we'll never know which of these.
I don't mind one company supplying code to a developer to improve the behaviour on their own platform.
I don't care if developers side with one platform or another as their preferred GPU.
I don't even care if games have AA... it's nice but I think there's more important things to worry about first (gameplay, reliability)
It'd be nice if everything worked across platforms but hey - life is life.
Am I the only person who thinks vertical sync support is miles more important for how a game "feels" than AA?
I don't like Vertical Sync, makes the input feel rather laggy if you take an fps hit.
Did they purposely leak this to get something?
Please Guys don't Tolerate this Stuff, I'd Suggest Stop Mentioning ******Bay.
I Love the Game, its Great & Awesome. I want more High Caliber PC Games in the Future from Crytek.
I just Hope they won't Delay the Release Date because of this, I Already Pre-ordered this. >_<
For the Leechers, Just wait I'll Freaking Choke your Connections by Downloading it Endlessly on my 1Gbps Seedbox from DHT to Public Trackers, Let's see if you could get a decent dl speeds. . .
-nah just joking (guess that's impossible)
Also keep in mind that most of the people who download games are 12-14 year olds who can't afford to buy 50 to 60$ games. Back when I was their age, I had to browse warez sites and fight my way through porn adds and fake links for hours to finally find a 50x1MB rar files version of a game that had the music and cut scenes removed. Then I had to take the life threatening risk of extracting those files and risk an extremely probable infection of windows 98 because there were no comments to inform me if the files were safe. All this with a 56Kbps modem that had to download only at night and be disconnected before the parents woke up in the morning.
It was very difficult but we still did it because we couldn't play the games otherwise.
Nowadays however, every single kid has access to broadband internet and can simply get on google and type "game name torrent", click on the first link, let it go for a few hours and BAM, a free new game to play. This is the only reason why piracy has gone up in the past decade. PC Gamers aren't more maligned or whatever, they're just "victims" of their own technology and the freedom it provides
I can clearly see that we grew up and now we feel bad about pirating games. This is a very good thing for PC Gaming
If they had implemeted some other technique I might agree but that was not the case, it was just the standard AA code.
I mean... who needs to feel mouse lag ?
thing is does not matter if its reported that you can get it now if you was intending on downloading it you would of before reading this most likely any way
THERE IS NO STANDARD AA CODE!!! If you think there is then there is no point arguing with you any further, maybe go read up on AA techniques then post. ATI and nvidia both have their own implementation of AA techniques.
In DX, when you use the default anti-aliasing, the anti-aliasing is performed by the video card driver. While MSAA is a type of AA, there are numerous ways of performing MSAA, variations in sampling patterns and so on... THERE IS NO STANDARD AA, just like there is no STANDARD anisotropic filtering technique either!
Unreal Engine 3 uses a deferred rendering approach, as such standard anti-aliasing scales poorly with it, so the engine does no have built in AA. Developers are required to implement AA as a post-processing step once the final frame is composed together from the various deferred buffers. As such AA with deferred engine is a complex process and isnt as simple as just turning AA on in the API.
It honestly was boring as sin on the 360 demo.
I think Crytek stopped caring about the fans before the fans stopped caring about Crytek.
And cant play with vsync off.
Consequence: Rising development costs require larger markets to remain sustainably profitable.
Result: Multi-platform releases increase competition between larger players in the video-game market.
Conclusion: Development teams become ideal targets for corporate espionage spoiler campaigns.
I remember when that was seen as a good thing.
repost on an interview with an AMD Rep.
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Can you read properly? I said it is done as a post processing step, as in it has nothing to do with driver level AA! So that is why it worked for ATI, not that there was any guarantee that it would have.
Wow so your entire defense is based on a single interview by an AMD spokesperson, who is no way biased towards AMD in any way... Ugh I'm done arguing with you...
I concede defeat, you have have brought me down to your level of idiocy and beaten me with your extensive experience...
it's neither a good nor a bad thing. It's just a different way of doing things. CS players will always bitch about other games being different
EDIT: Personally if this game turns out to be the console port everyone is expecting and by the screenshots it looks like it is then they don't deserve to be stolen from, but they do deserve backlash from the PC community. If they went console only then from the looks of this game I couldn't care less, one less developer to be lazy and make half arsed attempts at PC games. I hope it doesn't turn out like that I really do.
Allow me to doubt that. Well, no, I don't doubt you can't feel it but I doubt there is no lag.
This.
I haven't pre-ordered it, I'm waiting to see if there are any Steam treats. But I do support Crytek, and will buy it, rather than download their game. Regardless of what haters saw in Crysis, I saw a beautiful, technologically advanced game that kept my interest until the end. I thank them for that.
In any other industry there would be very, very advanced and effective security systems in place to protect anything worth so much money.
You can not just walk in to a vault and wander of with MILLIONS of pounds in bank notes.
The level of incompetence to allow this to happen is staggering. I hope we get to hear the full story of how this happened, I bet it will be fascinating. I
Thanks for the reminder of where we came from - I too remember the good old days, hundreds of 2.88mb files to sift through and download on my 56k connection. :D
Now I pay for my all my games as I have the money, but I just don't have much time to play them. :(
These.
I haven't preordered either yet, mainly due to lack of motivation to do so but also saw Crysis and Warhead as beautiful, envelope pushing works of art that were not only enjoyable but also flexible, setting the benchmark for graphical quality and innovative fps game play for some time. I was disappointed that Crysis 2 Chose to dev for the consoles because I realised it would mean we PC gamers wouldnt necessarily get the attention put into the game we'd like (to make it the next benchmark for awesome) Crysis was the first game that got me into FPS as a genre. My Friends and I exhausted Crysis Wars as a Multiplayer game and Steel Mill will always have a special place in my heart. Crysis 2, Please be good :)
Shiver me timbers!
Thank you bit-tech for letting me know garrrrrrrrrr....
Pirates ahoy!
now for more general comments on the piracy issue. another thing that a lot of game publishers seem to ignore when quoting 'pirated' copy stats is how many are downloaded by people that did purchase said title, that were prevented from running it by over zealous drm. the other big issue is that many people view all of these media producers, whether software, movies, music churn out far to much sub par to outright terrible content and expect to be rewarded for it. for the consumer, piracy has become a way of effectively protecting themselves from being robbed and or correcting economic injustice. you have to admit that people get pissed off and have a negative reaction to some multi-millionaire complain that they made a theoretical less amount from title x than they thought they should have and blame piracy instead of recognizing that the content they produced was utter crap and therefore no one wanted to purchase it? no of course not. an average person will care less if the millonaire didn't get to buy another ferrari this year, when it meant they could afford to eat.
some things the industry should take note of if they really wanted to reduce piracy. quit churning out title after title of the same dull uninteresting drivel. slow development time and increase testing time to ensure that software works properly before release. and most importantly lower your prices. if you have a quality product, you can recoup your investment on a higher volume of low priced units, instead of relying on a small sale of high price units.
You're kidding right?
The reasons given were that the masterkey for the MP was leaked, and so giving pirates access to official multiplayer servers. The masterkey/MP authentication systems will have to be changed so as to prevent this and this may lead to further delays.
If the game had gone gold, all the pressed discs/manuals would have to be destroyed and remade leading to additional manufacturing costs, but luckily afaik the game has not gone gold yet and has not entered manufacturing.
So hold thumbs this screw up doesnt mean that the game will get delayed again.
No one and not even EA can complain about piracy because this whole situation happened internally. What kind of security does EA have where a AAA title can walk right out the door? I myself will not download Crysis 2 but will wait for reviews of the finished product cause so far the game looks to be dumbed down for consoles plus Crysis was just above average anyway.
Centy-face. I never thought your real surname was "Face" nor have I linked you to pirates in Somalia. I was being sarcastic to illustrate an opinion similar to your own. Yet mainly, I was trying to show my disappointment in Bit-tech's policy's. I think if you re-read the posting you will detect a heavy undertone of sarcasm.
The bigger the budget of the game, the higher the number of people working on it, so i would guess that there is actually a greater likelihood of a AAA big budget title being leaked by a disgruntled employee than with a smaller project.
Bit-tech doesn't support piracy because piracy is wrong, simple as that. Your attempt to label them as a paranoid dictatorship was juvenile.
I wonder what graphics card and monitor you have? I installed the leaked game and the graphics are on a new level in terms of texture and lighting realism. The effects are excellent as well. I note that as fantastic as the graphics look, they are running in DX9 at the moment,.
:(:(:(
FFS, at least say 'your friend was playing it' or some other excuse.
same here
Graphics settings --> Advanced, Hardcore? Are you freaking kidding me?
Indeed, because you and everyone who works at Bit-tech can swear on their souls and the souls of their mothers that they have never downloaded anything illegally. Which wasn't my point at all, but yeah it was immature :D
Tomato sauce
Bit-tech as a whole are against piracy, that doesn't mean that individual employees are not against piracy, but that would be their own view and not the view of the website as a whole.
I do find the article a tad out of taste however mainly because of this:
I remember when it was the ONLY thing, but since the dedicated grenade button came about, it feels terribly antiquated.
"Wanna play Crysis2? Now you can! Here's what you need to google to find the download link!"
I'm not saying that everyone in this thread arguing the case that "downloading shouldn't be done full stop" is being a hypocryte, but i don't believe for a second that NONE of them are. When i go to any place at all where more then a few gamers get together, they immediately start sharing games, and nobody feels bad about it. And on a gaming forum, we are suddenly all high and mighty? Come the f*ck on. :(
HOWEVER!
I look at it like this: I'm not the one that needs to fix the situation. I'm a consumer, and i communicate by acting according to my demand: good gaming experiences, good price, no hassle. So i download hassle-free versions of the games, and actually pay up if i do get good gaming experiences out of it. As far as the industry makes it possible for me to do it, i will follow these tenets. I don't expect a free lunch, and i don't take it as such.
Now, before we dwell too much on discussions with beards, some OT points:
I am mighty disappointed at the design choices so far. It's consolified into being yet another COD clone, and the one redeeming feature that C1 had over it's competitors (the nanosuit) is also being dumbed down. These are probably good choices, but NOT for a Crysis game! Crysis was a game for connoisseurs. Extreme hardware requirements, intricate gameplay to master, huge maps. I was hoping C2 to do the same again, but with these design choices, my expectations are low.
So, I would not have bought nor played C2 if a playable pirated version didn't come along at some point. This leak will introduce me to the game anyway, and give it a chance to win me over. If it does, I will put money on the table, and that's a sale you can chalk up to pirating then.
Gave the beta a shot, cancelled my preorder and put it towards Brink.
C2 to C1 is like FEAR 2 to FEAR .
oh god, i know the FEAR 2 to FEAR 1 example all too well.
+1
Kinda doubt this to be honest. They wouldn't destroy any discs, they would just require a day-zero patch in order to play MP.
My guess is law firms will be clambering to jump on this and anyone joining onine with the master key as with everything will have pretty much everything logged about them.
Their is however a flipside to all of this, the leak does contain numerous editors. IF this was orchestrated by devs (highly unlikely), it was definitely aimed towards the modders as with all game modding (remember the original Operation Flashpoint) the games longevity is increased 10 fold.
Anway here a small piece of log file from the twonk that has probably just buried Crytek.
<16:59:45> Windows 7 64 bit SP 1 (build 6.1.7601)
<16:59:45> User name: "kycka"
<16:59:45> System language: Russian
<16:59:45> Windows Directory: "C:\Windows"
<16:59:45> Prerequisites...
<16:59:45> * Installation of KB940105 hotfix required: no! (either not needed or already installed)
<16:59:45> Local time is 16:59:45 02/11/11, system running for 2572 minutes
<16:59:45> 8175MB physical memory installed, 6149MB available, 4095MB virtual memory installed, 24 percent of memory in use
<16:59:45> PageFile usage: 69MB, Working Set: 49MB, Peak PageFile usage: 70MB,
<16:59:45> Current display mode is 1920x1200x32, (Unknown graphics card)
<16:59:45> IBM enhanced (101/102-key) keyboard and 16+ button mouse installed
<16:59:45> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<16:59:45> Loading Config file %USER%/game.cfg (c:\users\kycka\saved games\crysis2\game.cfg)
Support the scene....BUY IT...it's £27 which is a drop in ocean for a game.
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/10267412/Crysis-2-Limited-Edition/Product.html?searchstring=crysis+2&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=0&urlrefer=search
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crysis-2-Limited-PC-DVD/dp/B004CCRB3Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297579542&sr=8-1
Just been watching it on youtube, I don't illegally download.
I enjoyed FEAR 2 a lot more than FEAR, the second game wasn't groundbreaking but just seemed to have more variety (but still not enough).
Half Life 2 also had a leaked beta many years ago. I installed that as well. Rather than encouraging me not to buy the game, it made me determined to buy the final product because even beta was so impressive. Crysis 2 is no different. The graphics are groundbreaking in many ways and it's clear that a lot of thought and development has gone into making Crysis 2. I will certainly be buying it as I did Battlefield Bad Company 2 (another game I downloaded on pirate networks initially).
One thing I will say though is that I never buy a game full price. I would not spend £40 on a game and it's doubtful whether I'd even spend £30. I think generally my limit is £25.
It's very amusing the number of pre-teens who hated the original crysis because they couldn't run it on full detail with their £50 ATI GPU. They said it was "badly programmed" and "a crap game". They couldn't grasp the concept of a game designed to run on current and future hardware. If they couldn't run the game maxed out on their crappy to average PC, the game must be to blame...
I guess Crysis 2 will face the same onslaught of outrage from countless psychotic pre-teens accusing Crytek of inept programming.
Highly amusing.
What a good boy you are. I am sure you will go to heaven.
it's been consolefied to death, it's not the original Crysis as we know it. the levels are tiny compared to Crysis and Far Cry. it's more of a brown linear shooter than a CryTek game.
and most disappointing thing? no clear suit functions. the suit stays in no-mode all the time, strength jump is done by holding space. HOLDING space like on console. speed mode is sprinting, so it's like any other game's sprint. cloak is still here to toggle, but melee doesn't drain your energy. armour is another toggle-able suit mode, but it's not much different to no-mode. strength mode sniping is gone, speed mode super high speed sprint is also gone, and weapons is now like CoD, carry 2 weapons.
totally agree with FEAR analogy, it's been dumbed down beyond belief. another analogy could be System Shock 2 vs Bioshock, or Morrowind vs Oblivion.
That was my first thought. Crysis's online chat rooms were full of spammers asking where they can get hacked servers and just doing this ****
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constantly. I swear it annoyed me so much. If I had gotten my hands on them the only reason jgkhdsfkjhgsdfkjhgkjdfghkjdgh would be appearing would be because I am pounding their stupid face into their keyboard. Total assholes! :(
If this game is good I hope it sells well on PC. They should release it earlier. Not much hope of seeing a crysis 3 on PC
The witcher 2 is going to break records for piracy.
Perhaps it's been simplified because of the all pre-teens who bitched about the first Crysis?
I guess it's been simplified for console gamers and when you think about it, console gamers have impacted PC gaming in a big and very negative way over the years.
I do think it's odd how negatively people criticize a leaked beta game though and complain as if they've been duped.
Perhaps the finished game will receive bad reviews or average reviews, then again perhaps not. I will not judge the game until it's on sale. What I've seen of the leaked version has certainly impressed me. Very high level of presentation.
Forum reports confirm that torrents of Crysis 2 are now 'all over *** ****** ***? Not going to say the websites name. Honestly that should be removed from the article and any reference to the site and torrent should be removed from the forums. After all you guys post this at the end of the article
In the light of this news, it's likely worth restating bit-gamer's position on discussion of piracy, namely that linking to or asking for illegal downloads will result in bans from the forum. Similarly, anyone offering advice on how to pirate games or seen to be inciting or encouraging piracy will be banned from the bit-gamer forums.
You should practice what you guys preach.
Erm, what?
To be fair it pretty much goes without saying that it's on pirate bay, I honestly see nothing wrong with the article.
Do you know the difference between a link and a name?
Pirates are BUMS.
Rant over.
You don't deserve that avatar.
You're the biggest bum and we are merely your bum offspring.
When I downloaded Crysis 2 leaked, it was to see how it looked. I don't want an unfinished game, I will buy the finished product if it gets good reviews. The illegal pirate stolen unfinished game I downloaded illegally and played has given me some idea just how good the final product will be. I think the developer deserves to see a return on the hard work they invested.
It's a shame the game won't be released on Valve's Steam delivery system. I buy quite a few games there.
On another note, I do like bum sex but with a hot girl.
What those pirates achieved with this, is no more Crysis3 or any other great fps's from Crytek on the PC. If I was Crytek, I would do the same.
Why not wait for the official PC demo if you wanted to see how it looked and played?
I was going to. Then when bit tech told me about the leaked beta I decided to try it. I did the same thing before Half Life 2 and Stalker were released. I own legitimate copies of both.
If a leaked beta causes the meltdown of the PC gaming industry then it was an industry on it's last legs anyway. A leaked beta won't affect my decision to buy the game when it's released.
Some people need to get off their moral preachy high horses. It's not the end of the world, it's a leak of an unfinished game.
Yes, it's against the rules naughty naughty naughty. Will I also be banned from this forum if i say that sometimes, I don't wait for a green light but cross the street when the light is still red?
I'm not saying AT ALL that all piracy is a good thing, but there IS a way to use the piracy channels as individuals and not harm the industry.
Fair dos. I am not doubting that you will buy it for real when it comes out but there will be thousands of other mugs who wont bother.
Eddie
I think maybe something needs to change so that developers see a return on their investment. I think that STEAM has gone a long way towards creating a fairer system. It's a great content delivery system that encourages people to buy legitimately. Steam works because of the special deals and temporary price reductions. Steam users trust the system because they are less likely to experience patching issues from games delivered over the steam network. As an example: I recently spend 2 days trying to install and patch Battlefield 2142. I know it's an old game but it's an old game I purchased legitimately from EA using their awful content delivery system back in 2006. After downloading the game last week (hadn't played it for more than a year), EA downloader showed a 1.25 patch was available. I could not install the patch. It failed each time. I had to spend 2 days in dialog with EA tech in order to finally get the game patched to 1.51. By this time I had downloaded the game 5 times and reinstalled more than 10 times.
When I buy a game on the Steam network, I know it will patch ok and run on whatever version of windows comes along. At christmas I bought the Doom games collection via Steam. Doom 3 didn't work, it kept asking for a key, the key was supplied along with the game but Valve said the game shouldn't ask for the key. Valve quickly found a solution and emailed it to me.
I think a system like steam can help to reduce piracy. I certainly respect Valve's efforts rather than the draconian measures many other publishers have taken. Do you remember all of the controversy shortly before windows Vista was due for release? There was a lot of talk about MS limiting the number of installs for legitimate owners. I got so sick of reading about their new security measures that it dissuaded me from purchasing a legitimate copy.
But you can assume everyone has their acceptable price that they would pay for something.
If Crysis 2 was released at £1, you'd buy it ...
£2 ...
£3
£4
£5
£6
etc
etc
Maybe you'd even buy it at its full release price.
Even pirattes have their acceptable prices. The point is that at whatever acceptable price you pay for the item, the cash reaches the dev and publisher and they are able to use that cash income to pump out more and better games for us. The Steam bargains thread works because people get to hear when an item has reached their acceptable price. People just need to wait for that price. This also leads us on to another debate of the second hand games market, but I'll leave that for the next second hand related thread.
I also own an iPhone 3gs. Whilst I have considered jailbreaking it, I made a choice not to. Why?
Because legitimate iPhone apps are so INEXPENSIVE! I own many paid APPs and do not see the need to jailbreak and pirate software when it's so reasonably priced.
Im well aware of that. Thing is though, that this is bound to hurt Crytek in some shape or form. This is before the game is even out too. Downloading this stuff even if it just to "try it out" is just going to annoy developers and make them less likely to bother with the PC.
Think Im gonna bow out of this one. Can of worms!
Eddie
I do agree with you to some extent in that developers would see more sales if they priced a new games at, say, £20 rather than £30 but the truth of it is they'll have a marketing team (and I must point out I hate marketing sorts) who spend a long time thinking about how much they should charge; though in truth, they could probably fire the marketing bods, sell the game at £20 and make a profit from not having to pay the useless tossers*.
However, if people were left to decide how much to pay for a new game, I doubt anyone would pay more than a fiver - which probably wouldn't cover the developer's costs.
*I don't really mean that, I understand there is a need for marketing.
When Bad company 2 for PC was released, I didn't want to pay £35 for it. Nor did I want to pay £30. Nor was I happy about paying £28. I bought it for £15. I'd be happy to pay £20 for Crysis 2 if it gets good reviews.
what you guys should be looking is whether the reviewer have played Crysis 1, if he has, i highly doubt he'll like Crysis 2 if he was playing on PC.
BC2 can be a lot of fun. The only battlefields I liked have been DC mod for 42. 2142 and BC2. BF2 was crap.
PC gaming is dying. Pure and simple. There are so few game developers that have the (for want of a better work) belief in the platform to keep making games for the PC, even though console gaming is a far, far more lucrative market. And this single leak has done more damage to PC gaming than any other event I can think of.
Sure, there have been other leaks. The more famous (and repeatedly mentioned ones) are HL2 and Doom 3. But at the time, consoles were (comparably) underpowered and the only way to get a half decent looking gaming experience was (in my opinion) the PC. But times have changed and the latest consoles have more than enough power and (far more importantly) game developers have more experience squeezing ever watt of power from these systems.
This leak has shown that PC gaming is far too dangerous a market to invest in. Why spend month (if not years) and potentially millions of pounds developing a game for the PC if all it takes is a single disgruntled employee or a determined hacker to take that product and destroy what little market there is left.
Many "pirates" (read: thieves) will claim that they are only "demoing" the game and will purchase a genuine release of the game if they like it. And for a minority that is true. The rest of them are just a bunch of parasites who are slowly but surly bleeding the PC gaming industry to death. Yet it is they who protest loudly about the decline of the industry and blame the developers for abandoning them.
The only alternative for a developer is to use draconian DRM (like the much hated Command and Conquer 4 constantly requiring a internet connection). But this only alienates the few deadhards who are left and drives the "average" gamer to look for a hack to remove the limitations forced upon them.
Basically, PC developers are in a stuck between a rock and a hard place. And it is slowly crushing them to death.
TL;DR? - Pirates are to blame for the death of PC gaming, pure and simple.
Please stop with your absurd hysteria. I have never heard such ridiculous **** in all my life. All you a paid lobbyist? Do you work for a PR company? This leak has not done "damage" to PC gaming. If console gaming was so lucrative, then why are the world's largest game publishers closing studios left right and centre? PC gaming, via Steam, is innovating and booming. Independent developers are making money and getting attention. Torchlight, Minecraft and Magicka to name but a few. As usual, morons and uneducated tards like yourself blame the minority who bother to try to pirate (which is a long and time consuming process to get a substandard product) for the failures of game developers which punish genuine buyers and lack of innovation.
TLDR; your wrong.
heh, i might do something to cull the rampant masses for the next month.
Every battlefield game has not had a dedicated grenade key. Never bothered me, never missed it. Mouse wheel select grenades or press the grenade number key, Its not hard. FFS call yourself an FPS gamer.
BTW BC2 is not a proper Battlefield game. It's a failed abortion of one.
You pirate games you are SCUM.
You pirate and by later you are STILL SCUM.
You add your support to the whole rotten game-pirating racket you are worse than filth imho.
Agree.
The main thing is you've seen it from all angles and not over generalised.
any other review not done on PC will be a review for CoD: Master Nanosuit Chief, not Crysis 2. and we all know how well the CoD name scores on console numbnuts.
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WINNAR
Thread direction down? But it went down a LONG time ago.
Think about it... if Crysis 2 sells as much or more than Crysis then we can say that piracy has had little effect on sales, if it is a commercial flop then piracy is to blame.
Well at least you're being scientific about it and have removed all other variables from the equation.
Oh wait...
You speak the truth.
exactly the same as... what? CoD? yes, Crysis? no. :( as car as i'm concerned, it's not a Crysis, it's CoD: Master Nanosuit Chief.
aliens similar to Halo, controls similar to CoD and gameplay somewhere in between. a console gamer's wet dream, but a PC gamer's worst nightmare. (for sequel of such amazing sandbox game)
a good game always gets sales, eg. Crysis after people upgraded. it's just CryTek expected explosive sales similar to advertising-lead games such as CoD series, but in reality, a company gains more fans by relying on long term word of mouth sales and staying true to its root (WoW, HL series). CryTek obviously aiming for explosive sales, and will not gain many console fans, while loosing a host of PC fans.
So I can't call myself an FPS gamer if I don't like having to select the grenade before throwing it? What about melee? Am I not an FPS gamer if I think having to select a knife before using it is cumbersome and detracts from the (usual) very fast pace of competitive shooters?
And I know BC2 is not a "true" Battlefield game, but I don't see what that has to do with my point. You are just sounding elitest to be honest.
I was expecting that kind of criticism. I did not talk about other variables because most of them are relatively obvious.
I am trying to give some advantage to the side that says that piracy kills devs, being that this is not something i do not believe.
Admittedly, I've pirated stuff in the past, but I never pirate things while they're still financially current and making or breaking their creators. Pirating a game before or on release is the consumer equivalent of taking part in a DDoS attack.
This a load of crap.
Self entitlement attitude? Do they realize we have this attitude because developers are removing features from games that most of expect to be standard affair?
I mean come on, the graphics settings in Crysis 2 are "Advanced, Hardcore, Gamer". Remember when MW2 came out, and one of the features was "Mouse support".
Developers release games with horrible DRM that in some cases makes the game completely unplayable until a patch comes along. What's the point in treating your legitimate customers like pirates when the DRM gets cracked in a day from release, if not sooner.
Last warning all.
how's that a warning ? :)
Does anyone have a release date for the demo ?
POSSIBLE SPOILERS.
From what I can tell the enviroments aren't exactly destructable, this may just be because it's an early build. I really enjoyed punching through buildings in Crysis 1. But there really isn't anything even close to comparable to Crysis 1's destruction as far as I can tell.
The powers feel drastically down played this time around. You don't switch between them anymore, they're simply automapped I guess. You don't switch to strength to jump higher or punch harder, you just hold down jump, or hold down punch.
The game is very linear. You no longer have the option to go about doing things the way you want like in Crysis 1. The options that you seem to have boil down to run in and kill everyone in the area, or do it stealthily and that's about it. The areas themselves are very confined.
Forget the multiplayer, it's just a CoD clone. You pick your load out and three perks, and get into the action. Game modes boil down to essentially Deathmatch, TDM, and Headquarters. You get kill streaks which will give you some tactical advantages similar to the ones in CoD.
The game looks better in terms of art direction and overall color palette. It's definitely not a "Brown and Bloom" shooter as someone mentioned previously. Though overall it does look worse than the first. This build is only DX9 but honestly, it's not like DX10 games have ever given us any drastic improvements. I can't see DX11 giving it that big of an upgrade either. Regardless, I could care less about the visuals.
It's a boring CoD clone and that's why I cancelled my pre-order.
Sounds like they fixed most things that made the first ******** :D
I agree. It looks to me like there are a lot of people who like to complain about something even when there's nothing wrong with it.
"Nothing about this game feels like Crysis. "
It's not the final product we have. The nanosuit functionality has been changed but that is not necessarily the end of the world.
I completed the original crysis and liked it. I like what I've seen in this leaked beta also. I am not someone who insists on everything staying the same. Moving the game to a city setting looks like a good move from what I've seen in the videos.
There are a whole lot of complainers here who just like to complain about anything even though they don't really know why they're complaining.
Wow! That's real virtue! You are such an honorable pirate :)
I'm guessing that's sarcasm, if it is then I think he's referring to situations such as abandonware I think they get called? Games that are no longer in production, can no longer be bought new so the developers get no money anyway. Good example is FF7 PC, you can no longer purchase it via methods that would result in the developers making money so whether it's pirated or bought second hand would have the same effect.
Well I can't imagine how much different the final version will be. I've gotten a good taste of the overall feel of the game, and the only real issues with it are some random crashes and pretty hilarious physics and enemy AI bugs.
It just feels like they've taken out most of the aspects that made Crysis what it is.
I'm in a better position to judge the game as it is than you are. I mean does what you said even make sense? I know exactly what I'm complaining. The game is boring and unoriginal in every aspect. I didn't even like the first Crysis but it's still better than this pile of redundancy.
The game feels like a generic corridor shooter. That's why I'm complaining. Unless the final product is a completely different game, they would have a lot of work ahead of them before release to make something quality. I was basically going to head to the store and pick up Call of Duty again. I'm really glad I was given the chance to change that.
Whatever, bit-tech will still give it a 9 like Far Cry 2.
only thing cannot be judged with this leak is how much better graphics will be compared to consoles.
@wafflesomd:
wait for Gunsmith's review. Bit-tech has a good overview of Crysis, but i am pretty sure this paragraph applys to Crysis 2 much more than Crysis 1, in fact, this article applys more to Crysis 2:
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2010/06/14/crysis-was-terrible/1
I will wait for the reviews and then make a decision if I should spend my money on it
If you like call of duty then your statements about crysis 2 are meaningless. Call of duty is as boring as it gets. Trashy arcade shooter. I don't mean the entire COD series but certainly the most recent ones. The best COD in my view was number 2. If you didn't like the first Crysis then of course you will complain even more about the sequel. The first Crysis was groundbreaking in terms of graphics and the sheer scale of the 3d world. I found the game interesting enough to carry me through to the end and complete the game. I was bored out of my mind after 20 minutes of COD modern warfare series.
I'm guessing you probably hate Battlefield Bad Company 2 as well eh?
I haven't download Crysis 2, but if you play it like you play Call of Duty (IE not being tactical) then, yes, it would feel like Call of Duty.
I'm buying this game because I like playing games and I want more quality games to be developed. It also happens to look like bloody good fun.
I'd agree with those who wonder why this should be news since it is almost routine for games to be leaked online nowadays. I'd guess Crytek are taking a good look at the download figures to see whether they've got a hit on their hands or not.
have dumber owners prepared to pay higher prices for shoddier productsoffer more profit potential, but that will clear the path for smaller publishers (excluded from consoles by licensing fees) to make their mark on the PC. At the same time, the console market is going to offer less profit with more look-alike play-alikes vying for the attentions of (generally) less committed gamers.To put some perspective on this, various commentators and publishers have been saying the same things about the PC and piracy for over 15 years:
If you want digital distribution done right (no DRM worries, no possibility of your games being taken away, no extra software running while you game) then GOG is the best option currently, with indie stores like Gamers Front a close second. Given that Far Cry is available on GOG, it shouldn't hopefully be long before Crysis and its sequels follow.
"Life or death power over your games collection" ? Never had any problems playing even the oldest pc games sold on steam network. Steam haven't cut support of discontinued support on any games I own over their network. The same cannot be said of EA. The number of posts I've read from EA game owners outraged because EA have dropped support or forced them to buy a game again because it no longer works in the format they purchased in.
Steam is the number 1 content delivery system because people recognize that it is fair and safe. By safe I mean users don't have to worry about support being dropped or being told they no longer own the game as is the case with EA.
Any game I own on steam will continue to work regardless new OS system releases. You only have to look at the programming quality of the original half life... A game so well designed that it still installs and runs on the latest windows operating system. Contrast that with Battlefield 2142 from EA. A game that can take days to get working and requires deletion of registry entries and multiple reinstalls (as recommended by EA tech support).
Epic bollocks.
Piracy happens in all platforms, not only in PC, if you want to single out PC by all means go ahead but don't deceive the community by saying because of piracy you're switching to consoles. I wonder how build that has leaked only has a dx9 codepath and medium settings if its not intentionally leaked. This leak only undermines the level of code security for a all-hyped up AAA title and if those shoddy guys at crytek/ea can't prevent a leak, surely they can fix all the bugs after release, cant they ?? (*sarcasm*) Hell, it might even be a conspiracy from within Crytek to not release any mode "Cry" games (Crysis 2 - S**thead perhaps) on the PC platform or to boose crysis 2 sales through sympathy (ohh its leaked and pirated, please buy it)
Why would anyone buy a game just because its pirated before launch? If the game is any good ppl will buy it, even those who're currently leeching the leaks of crytek would buy it after playing, if they feel its better than Crysis 1 (atleast honest ppl tempted by the satan to download would do so)
EA's move with the PC gaming community have not been very good lately. After a long time they finally released a steam version of SIMS 3, because they were missing their targets every month in their own clumsy EA store. Crysis 2 will not be released in steam initially, but after couple years when EA realizes that they are once again missing target, they will, meanwhile valve will continue to give games like episodes of HL2, versions L4D and portal in PC only steam delivery service and earn a lot more bucks.
I was simply commenting on the size and number of quotes/retorts in his post! You seem intent on causing a fuss....
Using piracy as an excuse to drop PC development for console is quite common it seems. Anyone remember EPIC games saying they were dropping PC game development because PC gamers were pirates? It was nothing to do with the fact that they had a string of mediocre games some of which were so bad that no one remembers them?
I own Unreal Tournament 3 on steam. I tried very hard to like it. I can play it for maybe 15 to 20 mins and then it gets boring. I guess now Epic are developing for consoles they have some real big successes yes? I wouldn't know since I don't own a console.
Where did you ever get the idea that I liked the CoD series? Read my posts and you'll see I compared them in a negative way. I did like Modern Warfare 1 though, after that though I consider them all rehashed garbage.
I don't care for Bad Company 2 anymore. I loved it when it came out and I actually pre-ordered it for myself and another friend. They never really fixed the things I wanted them to though. The hit detection and weapon balancing have been worthless since day one. I can still climb my way to the top of kill count with pistols fairly easily.
On the other hand, I respect your right to find out about the gaming experience before purchasing: after all, with almost any physical consumer object the customer has the right to return in a given period if they are unhappy with it. People will say, 'well, you should've waited for the demo', but a demo can be misleading.
As for the original Crysis being a 'tactical' shooter, what a load of b*ll*ks; it's one of the easiest games I've ever played. You want tactical? Try playing the original Rainbow Six or Hidden and Dangerous.
i see it more like an example of consolefication costing the developer audience on the PC platform, and they end up blame piracy for it.
1) A lack of patience for not waiting for the final product.
2) Not judging a game in its own right, instead comparing it to this distorted view of a game that is not actually as good as people make it out to be.
Agree. Based on what I've seen of the leaked version, I will be buying the game when it's released providing it gets relatively good review (on bit tech especially).
Would it be unreasonable to ask Bit Tech to review the leaked version?
:)
Sorry but what?
I agree GoG has a slighty more user friendly system but Steam being the most draconian DRM system of all? Not by a long shot. Steam is hugely successful for a reason you know...
As if they are going to develop a new multiplayer from the ground up in two months. Or re-design the levels. Or recode the suit functions back in to modes again.
Except for the single player levels, everything people have mentioned here is what I hated about the demo on the 360. Crytek have dumped on the original Crysis, and everything that made it good, and made a Crysis of Duty instead. Even the kill streaks are ripped straight out of MW1.
I think the game might be fun in it's own right (since I havent downloaded the leak), but as a Crysis it is likely going to be a let down.
And, as usual, piracy will be blamed when it tanks, and the devs will ignore the fact they have consolified Crysis and, instead of doing their own thing, they have cloned something else.
I have no doubt the leak will hurt their sales, but I think the majority of those lost sales are going to be people seriously disappointed with the direction Crysis has taken, and don't see this kind of behaviour as worth supporting.
If you know anyone with a console, do us all a favour - give them concrete shoes and take them swimming.
You'd be surprised how much can be done in one month, especially at a professional level with the devs spending 7+ hours a day working on the levels.
Basically this.
We call ourselves gamers, we like to think we're a united group when it comes to watching the ambling, long in the tooth, platform staggering towards its death bed (Come on, how many excellent PC exclusives have there been recently?).
This thread, though, has demonstrated the exact opposite. Going by this thread, we're a disorganised rabble of completely selfish assholes. Self entitled, self important, and unable to see the wood for the trees. I'm guilty of this, too, because here I am telling you that what I think is right, and what you all - Apparently - Think is wrong. Not that it's stopped anyone else, nor has it ever stopped me (Do as I say, not as I do and all that). Hopefully, never will it.
The game got leaked. It looked - To me - Like another fairly mediocre FPS game about aliens and super soldiers. As such, I didn't really give that much of a rats backside about the leak, nor did I even know it wasn't planned for release for another, as near as makes no difference, fifty days.
I've pirated things in my time. Things I could, reasonably, have bought. Sure, I've usually bought a copy of things I've pirated, but let's be honest here. That's so rarely the case that it might as well not be considered a defence. It's also completely without context. If you pirate a game at, or before, launch and say "I'll buy it!", and then fail to do so until it's in a sale?
Technically, you have kept your word, but you still haven't reimbursed the developer for the full amount that, at the time, your piracy cost them. In fact, you've done almost as much damage as not buying the game. If the game launched at £25, you pirated it and denied the developer of that £25, that's bad enough. However, when you buy it at £10 (Because let's face it, that's how most PC games go), you've been enjoying their work since launch, and then rubbed their face in it by only parting with money when it's cheap.
You kept your word, and at the same time, took a dump on the developers desk.
I understand discussions take tangents, they have to to remain well rounded, but this has become farcical with the inclusion of AA arguments from Arkham Asylum (An issue that was solved, was it not?), and the general ass-hattery that is being displayed by people that supposedly "respect developers".
If you want to know who's strangling the developers out of the Pc market (And don't give me this **** about 'oh, console devs are closing too' because most of those are Activision, and most of those were just producing carbon copies of previous games with slightly altered appearances), it's us.
Every single one of us sits there and types messages saying "It's not me, I bought the game after I pirated it. It's the developers fault for not giving me a demo, or charging less for the game."
That argument might work for a console that has, for the most part, a fairly fixed price, and pretty much has the exact same hardware in it, and is ostensibly not upgradable. However, we're running hundreds, and some of us thousands, of British Pounds Sterling in computer equipment. The "cheaper" argument is complete rubbish (When you consider that, as I type this, there is an advert for PC games from Game telling me that Crysis 2 is £25.00), because PC games are dirt cheap anyway.
The developers are only doing their best for us, and we're treating them like they think we're villains, idiots, or completely pointless.
It's no wonder that some developers have said "**** it" and gone and started developing for consoles, where the piracy is less widely broadcast as an issue - Although it still exists in droves, if you look in the right places - but the much larger market share held by consoles includes the potential for a greater return - Which means they get to eat.
I have sympathy for Crytek that someone decided that they (Crytek) would be best served by the leaking of the culmination of their efforts, which is basically having it thrown to the jackals. I'd like to say that I don't care, and frankly, I probably don't - But situations like this will continue to rear their ugly heads, and it's down to us to deal with it like reasonable adults and not shift the blame.
We're (Royal we, not Bit-Tech exclusive) accountable for how the developers see the PC platform, if we act like this about every game - And we, as a collective, do - Of course people are going to develop for a console primary and port to the PC platform.
TL;DR: PC gamers as a whole are self entitled pricks. Sure, there are some good guys - There always are - But most are in it for themselves, and quite willing to sacrifice bandwidth over money, and will lie to themselves that "they're just testing" it, but before you know it, it's been two years and they still have no legal copy.
Sure, Console gamers aren't much better, but the penetration of consoles compared to high end gaming PC's is far higher, thus, much more potential for a high return - After all, that is what they're in it for.
I never said it is impossible, I just seriously doubt Crytek are going to do anything like that. And if they do, it raises an interesting point; If they do change the levels, what would be the reason? Criticism from the leak? In that case, the leak has done them a favour.
I doubt they would have developed these levels intending to change them. That is a lot of development time testing things you don't plan on using. And it doesn't leave as long as usual for testing the replacements.
..How charming.
Did I stop reading after you failed to use the quote button and a quick edit of <snip>?
For what it's worth, I never specified pirating PC games. In fact, I have more than one copy of a number of games for LAN purposes. Games that don't even have CD-Keys, and play fine with a single copy on a number of LAN'd computers.
Maybe not incompetent...maybe disgruntled!
Also agree with previous posts that this will drive Crytek away from PC. I feel bad for Crytek.
I could care less about EA, they screwed up enough PC games for me that they deserve some retribution.
Yah but in the end I could care less.
They lost my money not because I pirated the game, but because the game is crap and I don't feel like buying it now. I did delete it and I have no desire to touch it again. It was nothing more than a demo to me.
Go ahead, move to consoles. I don't really mind. I bought a ps3 for the exact reason that pc gaming just sucks now unless your Valve.
Crytek screwed up, life goes on.
I just hope other people who download the leak do purchase the full release.
I remember downloading a very early leaked alpha for STALKER where the AI would make the characters walk around in circles like zombies (kind of like the AI in the finished HAZE game).
Stalker turned out to be a really great game. Great atmosphere.
Wait for the demo. You most likely won't get past the first 30 minutes without a crash.
The only thing I'll be interested in will be the comparison of legit sales compared to online users considering the master key was leaked, However they could change it before launch.
I have no words to convey my disbelief.
Edit:
Sorry, a misunderstanding on my part, pointed out by Coldon.
However, I'm worried that this is what'll happen to others.
1. agree, able to do stuff before other people is always attractive, it's human nature.
2. if a person care enough to hunt down this leak and judge the game, the person will sure read reviews and decide on whether to buy it or not. IF the game is good (egg. HL2) it will still fly off the shelves.
but the problem here is that CryTek obviously admitted defeat on PC originated gameplay, and (like many have said) leaked on purpose so that they will be able to blame piracy for lack of sales.
it's clear from the last line of CryTek/EA statement, they are intended to blaming piracy, and next game will not be on PC. it is even more clear from the consolified gameplay.
after "watching videos of gameplay", i have cancelled my pre-order, and waiting for THE review to decide whether to purchase it. it all depends on if Gunsmith's reviews says it's good, no one else's, because Craig in Bit-tech didn't understand Crysis 1 (Crysis was terrible article), nor will anyone else who have never played Crysis 1 on PC.
i think he meant that he wont make it through the leaked version without crashing and not the demo.
As for the EA piracy thing, EA is one of the only publishers making concerted effort to bring their games to PC. At this point i'm more than willing to throw money at them to keep doing what they are doing!
Right you are!
I have also taken a liking to EA - after all, they are responsible for excellent games such as the Mass Effect and Dead Space series.
You do realise that Mass Effect is a KotOR clone right?
And that they released ME2 with a suggested improved engine on PS3?
First 30 mins would be fine. Just to see how it looked and felt. The game is only £25 there won't be anything in there that could make me cancel my pre order. I'm easily please :D
As someone mentioned the opportunity to have a fiddle with a game before its official release is very tempting indeed. The words “Sneak Preview” always draw people in and this is very similar. I’m just being honest. I bet there are a lot of people similar to me. At the end of the day £25 is nothing, its half a nights worth of booze when you’re out on the town and will, even if average offer more hours of enjoyment and hopefully less of a head ache the next day!
The demo is multiplayer (Other than BFBC2) I’m a single player kinda guy so won’t really give a very good indication of the game.
I do feel bad for Crytek and I think people who download the leak and enjoy the stolen game with no pre order or intention of purchasing the game are idiots and are directly helping kill off their favoured pastime.
TBH if Crytek had released more PC info, vids screen shots etc I’d be much less inclined to have a “Sneak Preview”. I wondered if they were doing it because the final product won’t live up to the first 2 or they are waiting to blow us away with DX11. Who knows why they made the decision to make the 360 the primary advertising hardware. In days gone by the PC was used on cross platform games since it always looked the best.
Also I very very much doubt this is a deliberate leak. Why the hell would a company sacrifice sales by leaking a game so they could use it as an excuse to say “See PC gamers pirate far too much, were dropping the PC format” and loose potentially even more sales of future games. It’s just not viable. If they didn’t want to develop for PC they wouldn’t. No one has a gun to their heads; they don’t have to make excuses as they don’t owe us anything.
Tell you what though. Every forum/site i've been on there is a vast amount of people in support of crytek and encouraging people to also buy the final release. I think this is pretty positive.
OR just, y'know, BUY THE GAME
Thinking about the leak again, and if ANYONE is still reading this thread, one thing seems PAINFULLY obvious now: this is a _much_ older build of the game than people actually think.
It's unstable, perhaps really unstable and there are a few missing textures and other glitches. This is barely a BETA, and a very long way from a RC version. With 49 days to go the game is very likely going through Q&A testing as we speak, the features are locked down and the DX11 render path is done and more or less dusted. This version is a couple of months old at least, it really is missing that many pieces to be a contemporary revision.
They would NEVER just in the next 48 days patch this .exe up to stability and then 'tack on' DX11 in the next week or so. The WHOLE shebang, 64bit .exe, DX11, the lot, would go through weeks of Q&A.
Also, the fact that the whole game, plus multiplayer, plus masterkey was leaked together means this was a mock-up complete version delivered to a third party for a particular purpose. This party likely was the source of the leak. It could be for playtesters or an evaluation version given to EA as proof of progress up to 'now' whenever now was in the distant past.
One thing is quite clear, unless there's some kind of physical proof for the date of this build of the game, it can only be on of many weeks old. Given its state this close to launch assuming it is the latest build version is a poor conclucsion to jump to.
Infantile is a truly great word for it. I thought PC gamers were the more mature crowd who respected good publishers and wanted to help the industry.
the game will most likly be complete at this stage, it takes roughly a month to manufacture and ship the discs to retailers.
Youve never played left4dead versus mode before have you :P
Seriously its rage / slag off / rage / grief / slag off.
Although the worst experience in my gaming career is still MW2 on PSN. Even the most dire PC moments can't even compare.
Yeah i did hear something along the lines of 'if you think this is bad its nothing compared to xbox live' from someone during a game before. Oh the lols
You thought correctly. Case in point, people are downloading the leak.
Not that it is justified, of course, but I would hardly consider the way Crysis 2 has gone as good for the PC game industry.
Mommy, mommy, I don't wanna share?
Try enjoying games for themselves, not some psuedo-political idealism. If the game is fun and sells well then it's good for the industry.
My issue is that concessions made for the console version have made it to the PC version, making it a poor sequel for a game that had the variety of Crysis. The ironman videos of Gunsmith's are going to be nowhere near interesting anymore. At all.
There was no problem whatsoever with Crysis' suit modes and how they are selected. Unless, of course, you are using a controller, where it becomes very difficult to swap modes on the fly. Sure, make it work on consoles, by all means, just don't use the same system on the PC version. Crysis was great fun and the more people who experience it, the better. Especially since I held Crytek in very high regard.
But as usual, the developers have claimed they love the PC platform and are doing all they can to make the PC version stand out, and they really haven't. Sure, they have gone DX11, which does deserve commending since very few multiplatform games take advantage of anything more than DX9 nowadays, due to the prevelence of consoles. But they have skimped on the gameplay, which is where the real meat and gravy is. If they had made the two versions significantly different, playing to each platforms strengths and limtations, I would have truly been convinced that Crytek care about the PC platform, and making money. But they haven't
And not only that, but they have straight up ripped off CoD. The first Modern Warfare at that. This just reaks of the "Me too! Me too!" attitude you see with every other FPS game that comes out nowadays. The kill streaks are exactly the ****ing same for God's sake. They didn't even rip off the better, more developed CoDs.
Granted, the awesomeness of Crytek has meant Crysis 2 has some things to differentiate it from the typical CoD clone, namely mad graphics and the suit, and to be fair, the campaign does look very entertaining from what I have seen. But these are only things that keep it from being a bad game, rather than just a bad Crysis sequel. Crytek have seriously dropped a peg or two in my eyes.
The thing that really ticks me off, is that this whole time, Crytek have been telling us that the new suit gameplay was for the better, but in reality it was so they could get it on to consoles. Which is fine, if it stays on the consoles, since it means they get to enjoy the game. But don't expect that crap to fly for a game that is meant to be evidence of the PCs superiority over consoles.
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On-topic: I spent the last two days getting into Warhead for the first time, and it is awesome :) Crytek seem to genuinely learn from their mistakes, so I'm hopeful for Crysis 2. And I'm deliberately ignoring reviews and reports of the leaked content, because as noted several times, it's not finished released content.
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Just stop....
Won't someone think of the children!?!
Got to ask your self if the peeps Dling and playing this now are just doing to be able to say that they have played?
Crytek have said it's an early unfinished build and that the final product will be the best pc game they've ever made !
Crytek are one of the few developers that don't run the pc down so support them by buying the game when it's released.
I’m guessing it will look nice.. but not as nice as Crysis or Warhead.
One of the things that surprised me with this beta was the quality of the visuals. Amazing lighting and very detailed textures. I was surprised to see "DX9" on the info overlay.
The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software.
If you're not going to bother reading anything else, at least read that agreement - it is enforceable (thanks to Valve's ability to pull the plug on your games collection) and legally binding under current US legislation (do a search on Vernor versus Autodesk for the current situation regarding EULAs).
As for support, Valve dropped support for Win98/ME back in 2007 leaving users with older games in the lurch so you can expect the same to apply with WinXP/Vista/7.
Apologies to everyone else for the interrruption - now going back on-topic:
Such developers do indeed deserve sympathy and support - but the likes of Crytek aren't likely to be begging for food anytime soon.
Having said that, I don't really see why the suit should be a problem for consoles - you could just have one button to rotate through the different modes. Implementing Crysis' weapon customisation on a console would seem a more likely sticking point.
I'm pretty sure this applies to all forms of software (boxed or otherwise), not just games, and certainly not just games that are sold on Steam.
See its not all bad :P
Crytek themselves said after the last release that they were focusing on multi-platform releases. Unfortunately the excuse they gave was piracy when in fact the real reason was probably revenue.
As for the leak, the developers and publishers really need to keep a tighter control of their assets - if they are that concerned about piracy then they need to get their own house in order before blasting the PC community. Personally I suspect it was a deliberate leak to allow them to put their toe in the water.
I'll probably buy it, but I will wait for some reviews first before I decide wether to buy it on PC, 360 or PS3. If they have given it a PC lick and splash and optimised it better than previous releases then I will probably get it on the PC. If it is a straight port or people are having a nightmare getting decent framerates at high quality then I'll get a console version.
Crysis 1 is a perfect game to me, here's why... the variety in gameplay in crysis 1 was perfect, at the very beginning and end of crysis 1 the missions were linear, then in the middle they had missions that were completely open, sandbox gameplay that were very fun to play.
And the gameplay was always more important and dominant then the story, as it should be, if all I wanted was a complicated story then I would go see a movie or read a book, it's a game, open sandbox gameplay is important.
Next, the locations in crysis 1, again there was a good variety of maps in the game, 1st the forest, 2nd the sci-fi element, inside the alien, 3rd the ice maps where everything was covered in ice, and 4th the big battle on a ship. Fantastic variety in maps. And lastly the characters in crysis 1 were believable with fun personalities.
Crysis 2 on the other hand, ALL the missions have linear, choreographed gameplay with paths that trigger cutscenes all the time. There was nothing really sandbox about it, and the maps were very small. Felt more like call of duty then the brilliant crysis.
The story felt too dominant in the game, and seemed more important then the gameplay, I felt like I was playing this character just to keep the story happening rather then to experience amazing gameplay with freedom.
Even though shooting at aliens in New York is amazing, The locations were very limited and got boring after a while, and it was more of the same thing, you slowly just watched the city predictibly become more destroyed as the game continued, similar to cod mw2. The characters in the game weren't very interesting, and enjoyable, neither was the story. I found it a little confusing at times.
But don't get me wrong, I did love the game, it just isn't a perfect game like the original. The aliens in Crysis 2 are better then the original, just wish there were more missions with the pinger alien, I love shooting that alien, I don't know why they didnt put them in the last battle. Crazy.
Crysis 1- 9/10
Crysis 2 - 7/10
Let me know your thoughts.
Crysis 1 was FAR from perfect
iv played the leak on my mates computer, and prefer it even with locked DX9 buggy graphics, a vast improvident, but im only really buying for the MP, Crysis never really did a fantastic job on the SP side IMO
I'm sorry but have you seen Gunsmith's videos?
Seriously, my first playthrough of Crysis I thought it was a fairly open and pretty but generally normal shooter. After watching Gunsmith's videos though it opened my eyes to just how awesome the open environment and the AI are; it simply allows for so many possibilities besides just running in there with your guns out (how I played it on my first run through).
It inspired me so I'm now doing a run-through of Crysis seeting myself the challenge of not using any guns, it feels so awesome taking out a large group of KPA by using guerilla tactics to constantly sneak around and pounce on the ones at the back.
I've tried to ignore people's comments about the Crysis 2 beta but it has made me very worried that it's going to be much more of a corridor shooter (admittedly it's quite likely due to the urban environment). It makes me want to cry to think that Crytek (ironic) might not be releasing another game with similar mechanics to Crysis, because at the moment it's got me hooked.
Yes, and I still consider the single player to be average at best.
What was also good about Crysis was that with each objective it was pretty much up to you how you achieved it. What I hate about CoD and MoH type games is that you have to complete the objectives as per the script.
I have not played the beta/leak but it would be a shame if they have gone down this route.
"Crysis" is like having having a pr0n movie being directed by Steven Spielberg and Pixar. Too much resources for an OK game.
And yes, the game underselled because it is pants....
sorry but i really cant be arsed will this conversation again, there is already massive thread somewhere that turns into just Crysis fanboys Vs Crysis haters...
Simply i didn't like the SP, was more of a chore getting though it than fun.
Fair enough. I don't want to start an argument over Crysis, i've just got into the state recently where I've got into the game so much I can't understand how other people don't feel the same.
Crysis is a good game if you like exosuits, stealthy gameplay, fast thinking and adaptive tactics, jungle environments, pretty graphics, responsive AI, small caliber guns, and so on; it's a good game if you are able to ignore repetitive visuals, repetitive weapon types, sluggish vehicles, realistically tough combat, fiddly controls, a steep learning curve, and so on.
If you happen to like rocket launchers, easy gameplay, colourful visuals, fast movement, a lively soundtrack and you happen to hate jungle environments, guns and realistic damage, Crysis will just be irritating and unappealing to you, while UT3 will blow your mind. What was a good game for one person is suddenly not a good game for another.
This is my working model for explaining all game and film taste. It works magnificently well to explain discrepancies in opinion (which are everywhere and limitlessly huge). Try it yourself, test it on any raved-about film you hated, any game you loved that all your friends despised, any fad you happened to not understand at all or trashed-on work that you thought was brilliant. It explains everything.
It also dicks on any notion of totally objective quality and it's made me realise that the best reviewers are the ones that describe a film/game's features and weaknesses, rather than describing how much they liked it. And that numerical scoring systems are a total farce, at best vaguely correlative and at worst totally misleading.
1. The AI isnt that great now is it :P
2. you must love zero-punctuation then :D he hates all games apart from portal.
Yesterday I was going to try and add something similar to this but I gave in. forums often turn in to consoles vs pcs, win vs macos, etc.
After reading your post, I would add one thing. Crysis is, what you make it to be.
This is not just any forum, this is the Bit-Tech forum ;)
The fact some PC games have been slightly held back due to being ported from console doesnt bother me much, i like both formats for different reasons.
Love that i can plonk myself on the sofa, whack on the Xbox 360 and play a game in a very comfortable position.
Also love playing a good FPS or Strategy game on the PC, as a keyboard and mouse give a far better experience for those type of games.
So true. I really like the way that you can play it either mostly stealth or mostly 'guns-blazing' (for the KPA levels at least) but you can never get away with relying entirely on stealth or entirely on gunplay. For what its worth, I think that's quite a hard balancing act to pull off -- few other games have (only Deus Ex springs to mind).
Very sorry to hear that Crysis 2 seems to have been watered down a bit with simplified suit modes and smaller areas, but hopefully it will still be good fun.
hardly lucrative