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Xbox 360 celebrates fifth anniversary in UK

Xbox 360 celebrates fifth anniversary in UK

Microsoft has revitalised the Xbox 360 range with a new, slim console recently.

Microsoft will today celebrate the fifth anniversary of the Xbox 360 in the UK. The console was released in its two original forms – the 20GB Premium model, and the drive-less Core SKU – way back on the 2nd of December 2005.

Microsoft recently revitalised the Xbox 360 range with new SKUs, such as the Xbox 360 'Slim' 250GB, as well as the new Kinect controller.

'Xbox has morphed into a true entertainment powerhouse, successfully delivering an amazing array of gaming, movie, music and TV experiences to millions of owners here in the UK and around the world,' said Microsoft UK this morning in an official statement.

'Overall, more than 45 million Xbox 360 consoles have been sold worldwide, and Xbox 360 has been the number one console in Europe and the U.S. For the past five months.'

Obviously, no mention of the much famed red ring of death among the list of achievements publicised by Microsoft, and you do have to wonder how many of those '45 million sold' were by gamers forced to purchase second and third consoles.

Let us know your Xbox 360 related memories in the forum.

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mi1ez 2nd December 2010, 12:28 Quote
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...how many of those '45 million sold' were by gamers forced to purchase second and third consoles.

Sold to gamers, rather than sold by.

In all seriousness though, Happy Birthday Xbox, even if you're not my cup of tea!
mrbens 2nd December 2010, 12:35 Quote
It's worrying that people are still wanting to buy 5 year old tech. They really need to get a new console out but since the current ones are still selling well they're not going to.

It's funny that a new console would be the best thing to happen to PC gaming at the moment!
Fizzban 2nd December 2010, 12:39 Quote
Has it really been 5 years? How depressing that there has been nothing to replace it.
human_error 2nd December 2010, 12:41 Quote
Happy birthday xbox360. The article has an error though - when it launched the SKUs were called core (no HDD) and Premium (which had the 20gb HDD and a chrome DVD drive cover). Also the picture is wrong.

As for another 5 years no chance - they'll see how well Kinect does for a year or so before deciding whether to integrate it as a required or have it as an optional feature of the new console.
CardJoe 2nd December 2010, 12:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by human_error
Happy birthday xbox360. The article has an error though - when it launched the SKUs were called core (no HDD) and Premium (which had the 20gb HDD and a chrome DVD drive cover). Also the picture is wrong.

My bad - proofed text and images seperately, forgot to refer back. Fixed and +rep.
sp4nky 2nd December 2010, 12:46 Quote
The rumour I heard was that Sony and MS were hoping that the current gen of consoles were going to last 10 years, so another 5 to come.
sotu1 2nd December 2010, 12:56 Quote
Half the point of the new peripherals was to try and drive a new stream of customers to cheap hardware, and reap the cash of software sales. I doubt MS or Sony are making any money on consoles yet. I predict a few years out of current consoles. I don't know what the next level of consoles will look like, I think the gaming landscape has changed far too much over the last few years with the introduction of casual/social/mobile/free to play/dlc for anyone to settle on a concrete console idea.
Flibblebot 2nd December 2010, 12:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by sp4nky
The rumour I heard was that Sony and MS were hoping that the current gen of consoles were going to last 10 years, so another 5 to come.
That's true - both were looking at a ten-year lifespan, but I don't think that's the same as ten years between consoles. Still, given the absence of even a sniff of anything new from Microsoft regarding the next gen Xbox I'd say we're at least two years from a new release.

The thing is, though, where do they go from here? Both consoles are reasonably good at chucking out HD resolutions, so apart from a graphics upgrade and perhaps a CPU upgrade, there's no over-riding need to upgrade. The latest gen consoles came out to make the most of the HD revolution, but there isn't a new revolution that really justifies a major console release yet - maybe just an iterative upgrade. Perhaps an Xbox 370 or a PS3.5?
LeMaltor 2nd December 2010, 13:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by mi1ez
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...how many of those '45 million sold' were by gamers forced to purchase second and third consoles.

Sold to gamers, rather than sold by.

No.
GravitySmacked 2nd December 2010, 13:32 Quote
I wonder how many people still own a fully working launch day console, I've been through 4 since launch.
eddtox 2nd December 2010, 13:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by GravitySmacked
I wonder how many people still own a fully working launch day console, I've been through 4 since launch.

I am always shocked when I hear people talking about how many 360's they've gone through.
Were they all free replacements or did you have to pay full price for each?
Tokukachi 2nd December 2010, 13:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by GravitySmacked
I wonder how many people still own a fully working launch day console, I've been through 4 since launch.

My launch consoles still in use and working fine. I did buy a Elite when it came out as I wanted to use the HDMI port. The elite see's 70%+ of the load as the originals in the bedroom as a media streamer, but there both still working fine.
deathtaker27 2nd December 2010, 13:52 Quote
next consoles i can see as 3d revolution for tv? anyone else think so too?
GravitySmacked 2nd December 2010, 13:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
I am always shocked when I hear people talking about how many 360's they've gone through.
Were they all free replacements or did you have to pay full price for each?

The first 2 were free replacements (they packed in within a few months of launch). MS tended to replace with refurbished console that broke within a few days of receiving them. The second replacement lasted years but died a few months back, now out of warranty, so I had to stump up for a new one.
sixfootsideburns 2nd December 2010, 13:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
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Originally Posted by GravitySmacked
I wonder how many people still own a fully working launch day console, I've been through 4 since launch.

I am always shocked when I hear people talking about how many 360's they've gone through.
Were they all free replacements or did you have to pay full price for each?

My guess is they pay full price.

And another 5 years wouldn't be unheard of at all. Companies like MS have to market consoles like the 360 at a cheaper price in order to make them actually sell justifiable amounts. If you look at the initial cost of the 360 vs. the hardware costs at the time they're profit margins were minimal if anything, and it wouldn't be far fetched to guess that they may have even taken a loss at points. So justifying that kind of decision requires a longer lifespan of your product in order to produce profit. I read awhile back what the business plan behind the 360 was but I can't remember the numbers exactly, which I had saved the article...
proxess 2nd December 2010, 13:59 Quote
That means PS3 is 4 years old, meaning it's still got, according to Sony, 6 years left in it. lol
veato 2nd December 2010, 14:37 Quote
I got my 20GB Premium model still. I've upgraded the HDD to 120GB though and it has has 2 RROD fixes (free)
BRAWL 2nd December 2010, 14:45 Quote
... disgusting console, the cause of some many PC games issues over the years with publishers realising they can be slack.

Happy friggin' birthday crap-box 359.
WarrenJ 2nd December 2010, 14:49 Quote
The problem with the consoles is they're "good enough" until something that makes consolers go "omfg why doesn't my console have graphics that good!111" For example tessellation or native 3D for games and maybe physx which consoles are missing. Now however, games done rely on graphics to get them through, TF2 for example is popular despite it's lack of cutting edge graphics. WOW is just as popular if not more and that's stone-age.

*Waits for a PC only game what has amazing features - gonna be here a while are i...*
mrbens 2nd December 2010, 14:57 Quote
Could Microsoft and Sony just use a newer CPU & GPU in their current consoles (and rebrand them as new consoles) to bring them up to date with PC level of graphics quality? It's much needed as current console graphics are looking very shabby these days.
javaman 2nd December 2010, 15:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
That's true - both were looking at a ten-year lifespan, but I don't think that's the same as ten years between consoles. Still, given the absence of even a sniff of anything new from Microsoft regarding the next gen Xbox I'd say we're at least two years from a new release.

The thing is, though, where do they go from here? Both consoles are reasonably good at chucking out HD resolutions, so apart from a graphics upgrade and perhaps a CPU upgrade, there's no over-riding need to upgrade. The latest gen consoles came out to make the most of the HD revolution, but there isn't a new revolution that really justifies a major console release yet - maybe just an iterative upgrade. Perhaps an Xbox 370 or a PS3.5?

But missed their claimed 1080p target and to get 720p they dropped AA. I really donno how PS3 is gonna do 3D gaming. COD is only 620p how can you add 3D without killing frames? Even gran turismo wasn't fully completed due to the PS3 not being able to handle everything the developers wanted to throw at it. TBH thats as good as its gonna get, the sooner theres a refresh the better. Didn't GPU's change architecture and such features like Adding DX11 would make a huge jump in efficiency. At least making a major update means developers could produce games worthy of being played on most peoples PC's rather than the tired overused game engines of today. Thats why I love crytek for at least being innovative.
Silent_Raider 2nd December 2010, 15:23 Quote
I would imagine a new console will be arriving once 4K resolution starts to show up in consumer televisions. So probably 4-6 years.

Also, I've always wondered why Microsoft/Sony didn't partner with a cable/satellite company like Comcast or DirecTV and incorporate a CableCard Tuner in their systems allowing you to use the gaming console as a set-top box and DVR. The console makers would benefit by becoming even more embedded in the living room, and the cable/satellite companies would help keep themselves relevant in an audience that continually moves to internet/streaming video.
Ph4ZeD 2nd December 2010, 15:41 Quote
Five years of the lowest common dominator. Rock on.
Flibblebot 2nd December 2010, 15:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
But missed their claimed 1080p target and to get 720p they dropped AA. I really donno how PS3 is gonna do 3D gaming. COD is only 620p how can you add 3D without killing frames? Even gran turismo wasn't fully completed due to the PS3 not being able to handle everything the developers wanted to throw at it. TBH thats as good as its gonna get, the sooner theres a refresh the better. Didn't GPU's change architecture and such features like Adding DX11 would make a huge jump in efficiency. At least making a major update means developers could produce games worthy of being played on most peoples PC's rather than the tired overused game engines of today. Thats why I love crytek for at least being innovative.
Fair points, but to get those working would still only require fairly minor upgrades to the hardware - but from a consumer point of view, most Xbox or PS3 users probably wouldn't notice the difference. That's the thing - while the jump from SD to HD was much touted, and carried on the back of the general HDTV bandwagon, there's nothing around at the moment (dismissing 3D as an expensive fad) to drive or persuade people that a console upgrade is required.

Look at it through the eyes of your average Game shopper, not a PC gamer who is comfortable talking about resolutions, AA, GPUs, framerates and all the rest.
javaman 2nd December 2010, 16:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot


Look at it through the eyes of your average Game shopper, not a PC gamer who is comfortable talking about resolutions, AA, GPUs, framerates and all the rest.

In those terms its fairly easy to sell snow to the eskimos so to speak. How many people are being sucked in by 3D and motion controllers? The only reason they wouldn't see any improvement is if game engines stood still. Yes they're not far off 1080p atm but it isn't hard to see the difference in textures, shadows and even some AA in games between consoles and PC. With extra power under the hood all areas would increase significantly (Look at far cry 2 and fallout games multi platform) Even Halo reach bugs me cause it isn't as smoot as I've come to expect on a now with a sub £100 GPU. While, as you say, people wouldn't see under the hood whats going on, DX11, improved physics and in general game engine improvements will finally see crysis style graphics on the consoles (basing it on using todays hardware and giving a 2 year period to develop). Again using gran turismo 5 as an example A few cars on track really pushes things (haven't played the game outside of local game shop to see the full extent of this for myself) and you notice the difference between said car in garage and on track. As a few forum members have pointed out the shadows aren't 100% and even the devlopers admitted the had to sacrifice frame rate to meet their expected level of graphical output. Gran turismo 5 has to be the most optimised game on the market yet you wonder if it was on PC how far they could of taken it. Certainly the AI isn't all there yet.
tron 2nd December 2010, 16:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
Fair points, but to get those working would still only require fairly minor upgrades to the hardware - but from a consumer point of view, most Xbox or PS3 users probably wouldn't notice the difference. That's the thing - while the jump from SD to HD was much touted, and carried on the back of the general HDTV bandwagon, there's nothing around at the moment (dismissing 3D as an expensive fad) to drive or persuade people that a console upgrade is required.

Look at it through the eyes of your average Game shopper, not a PC gamer who is comfortable talking about resolutions, AA, GPUs, framerates and all the rest.

I think the "Next Gen" would be a lot more than just 3D or true native HD for the consoles.

Just look at some of those NVIDIA demo videos etc. showing models with "Real Hair", for example.

If you think we have photo-realism now, just wait for what's to come. And if you don't think we have photo-realism now, then wait and see what is to come.

If you think you can easily tell the difference between a car on GT5 bouncing off a wall (like a toy car) compared to a real car now, in the future, it will become a lot more difficult to tell the difference.

It's not only about 3D, AA and resolutions, but textures, polygons, hardware tessellation and advanced hardware physics processing (which excites me more than 3D). Once the average gamer gets to see that next level of ultra-photo-realism and physics, they WILL want to happily upgrade their consoles again, for sure. :)
SMIFFYDUDE 2nd December 2010, 19:32 Quote
How many times have we changed our graphics card since 2005, and graphics for most games haven't really improved much since then. Its about time MS replace this then DX9 can be put out to pasture.
bogie170 2nd December 2010, 19:59 Quote
5 more years of shitty console ports...........
Unicorn 2nd December 2010, 20:05 Quote
"Celebrates" ?????

How is a 5 year old, out of date, poorly designed (first generation) console that pumps the industry full of shitty game ports anything to celebrate about?!

Microsoft, I say this with the utmost sincerity - **** off and build a better console, then you'll have something to celebrate about.

Don't get me wrong, I have one and play it at least 3 times per year... but seriously, it's one of the worst examples of technological design I've ever seen and it should have been replaced long ago, not just redesigned and re-released.
ian8415 2nd December 2010, 20:36 Quote
I reckon the next consoles won't be based on 3d, the hardware will step up with pc levels in cpu and gpu, I'm thinking over clocking on the fly and better cooling. Also a big one would be an ssd, although expensive now, it would be suitably mased produced for console and then cheaper too produce. this would have the most profound effect on games because one of the ,assive bug bears atm is load screens, just imagine instant sit down and play?
sharpethunder 2nd December 2010, 21:13 Quote
next gen console will be based on cloud computing alot like onlive
javaman 3rd December 2010, 00:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by sharpethunder
next gen console will be based on cloud computing alot like onlive

Personally I see onlive as more of a threat to consoles than pc games. Next gen will probably be around the time when Onlive leaves beta but for Onlive to work it requires the broadband companies to get their fingers out and actually offer a service they tout. Their fate isn't in their own hands unfortunately. Im still skeptical about their pricing tho and If a next gen console was to drop sooner rather than later they would really be snookered with broad band currently the way it is. While it is a great concept I can't see it working for quite some time yet due to so many if's and buts.

The problems with consoles when they released was the lack of ram they could afford to put in. The idea of an SSD is a good one especially for this gen since alot of textures are pulled from it but not necessary if there was a large enough frame buffer to load everything into. No reason next gen consoles shouldn't have 8gb ram min and the GPU with 2gb+ especially if prices do continue to fall.

Out of interest is anyone on here in the UK Onlive beta?
tron 3rd December 2010, 02:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by sharpethunder
next gen console will be based on cloud computing alot like onlive

I hope not !

I wouldn't touch OnLive with a barge pole.

My main issue with it is that you are expected to be paying them a monthly fee for the privilege of (renting) playing games you have already purchased.

If you decide to stop paying, and then migrate your gaming self to another cloud provider (or decide to just stop with all the cloud gaming crap), then you lose all your games.

If, for example, you have only played and bought 2 games in 3 years, those 2 games would have cost you more than the price of a console. Then if you decide that enough is enough, and you stop paying them after the 3 years, then you simply can't play your games anymore.

That games collection you built up will be just memories, and bad memories when you are occasionally reminded of how much financial investment you committed just to be given the opportunity to play the games you bought.

On top of that, there was never any guarantees in the first place that, even if you stayed with OnLive, they would continue to host your favorite games on their servers for much longer than even 1 year.

I can see many problems with OnLive. To me, it's a whole next level worse than Ubisoft's "Permanent Internet Connection Required" DRM. Resist it !
tozsam 3rd December 2010, 09:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
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Originally Posted by human_error
Happy birthday xbox360. The article has an error though - when it launched the SKUs were called core (no HDD) and Premium (which had the 20gb HDD and a chrome DVD drive cover). Also the picture is wrong.

My bad - proofed text and images seperately, forgot to refer back. Fixed and +rep.

Bit-tech articles get proof read? I'd sack them on the spot, Forever seeing spelling errors on the site!
Blademrk 3rd December 2010, 10:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Silent_Raider
Also, I've always wondered why Microsoft/Sony didn't partner with a cable/satellite company like Comcast or DirecTV and incorporate a CableCard Tuner in their systems allowing you to use the gaming console as a set-top box and DVR. The console makers would benefit by becoming even more embedded in the living room, and the cable/satellite companies would help keep themselves relevant in an audience that continually moves to internet/streaming video.

PS3 has the Play TV add-on that adds a freeview viewer/recorder.

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Originally Posted by deathtaker27
next consoles i can see as 3d revolution for tv? anyone else think so too?
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Originally Posted by ian8415
I reckon the next consoles won't be based on 3d,


The PS3 has already had an update to play 3D games (if you've got a 3D TV). Kill Zone 3 is in 3D.

Personally I hope the 3D fad will soon die a death. I can't see people upgrading to a 3D TV when most have only recently upgraded to a HD set. Not to mention how headache inducing the actual picture is on a 3D set.
Ayrto 3rd December 2010, 21:02 Quote
MS and Sony are clearly in a bind, in that they cannot charge >$1000 for a next ,next gen console and producing console HW that offers similar performance to a modern PC with say a 580 GTX, an I7 and 6GB ram is almost impossible for any less, at least not without selling at a heavy loss for years, which they seem unlikely to be willing to do again.

Many believe consoles may actually regress to become even more casual with lower performance HW, as Wii represents.
Veles 3rd December 2010, 23:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by deathtaker27
next consoles i can see as 3d revolution for tv? anyone else think so too?

Meh, 3D is a fad to get people back into cinemas. It's nice, but I don't really care about it.

Of course I'll probably be eating my words in a few years when everything is in 3D.
crayfish 4th December 2010, 13:39 Quote
The very best looking Wii games are perfectly good looking to me, so the next HD consoles can be at least 3 years away as far as I'm concerned. Graphics don't set the world alight for me now.
Star*Dagger 5th December 2010, 20:00 Quote
Consoles are an insult to True Gamers, who know, verily, that Gaming is found on the PC!

Happy Birthday X-Box, may you die in a Fire of Red Rings!

Yours in PC Gamer Plasma,
Star*Dagger
mastorofpuppetz 6th December 2010, 18:54 Quote
It really is the Worst console this gen, had a xbox for 2 years, very under whelmed, At least Ps3 has a lot of great first party development and exclusives, MS just throws cash around at a few timed DLC and third party exclucives.
Kiytan 6th December 2010, 19:23 Quote
I can see the ps3 just about making another 5 more years, as games are looking better and better on it (looking at heavy rain and Uncharted 2), and that definatly happened over the lifespan of the ps2, the games progressed a LOT.

But I haven't seen much progress in the 360, so I really don't see it doing another 5 years.
kerno 9th December 2010, 11:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
Consoles are an insult to True Gamers, who know, verily, that Gaming is found on the PC!

Happy Birthday X-Box, may you die in a Fire of Red Rings!

Yours in PC Gamer Plasma,
Star*Dagger

This is of course you can get the said PC game to work in the first place :( I have both a Xbox and a nice I7 920 @4.2 6GB of the good stuff and 2x 4890s in crossfire and when you can get it all to work it is stunning for example F1 2010 on the PC with all the details turned up is truely stunning Thats if you can get through a race without needing some sort of patch or two. This is what frustrates me with PC's and yes I known this all can be fixed and people do mods etc etc, but to be honest I have not got the time to mess about for hours to get a game to work. Its far easier just to stick the disk in the Xbox and play, (most of the time sometimes it to needs fixes.) sitting back on my settee and enjoying my 50" screen wirelessly with nothing to worry about other than my next kill or person to pass.

I love my PC and the likes of Civ5 with all its problems is still worth it has anybody played Civ Revolutions on the Xbox oh dear :(

Anyway off my soapbox waiting to be shot down in flames for dissing the PC

Bye
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