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Sony using new PS3 hardware

Sony using new PS3 hardware

Sony has begun using a new revision of the PlayStation 3 hardware, which may sell at a profit.

Sony has begun using a new revision of the PlayStation 3 hardware in the latest consoles, one which is cheaper to produce and may even mean that individual PlayStation 3s can be sold at a profit.

Spotted by PlayStation University, the new hardware includes changes to the RSX graphics chip and tweaks to the RAM setup.

The new RSX chip has changed to a 45nm version which uses 15 percent less power and is less prone to overheating, hopefully minimising on cases of the 'yellow light of death'. The Cell chip however remains unchanged.

RAM-wise, the new PlayStation 3 consoles will use two 128MB XDR RAM sticks, rather than the four 64MB chips used in older consoles. There's a new cooling assembly too, plus the power supply is a lot lighter.

Interestingly, the new console may enable Sony to start selling individual consoles at a profit given that the original PS3 Slim design was thought to be breaking even for Sony, says GI.biz.

The new PS3 has been labelled as CECH-2100A and, like most minor hardware changes, has not been formally announced or promoted by Sony.

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Elledan 26th April 2010, 13:44 Quote
I can't wait for ifixit or similar breakdown sites to get their grubby mitts on these new system :D

Also waiting to see the new XBox 360 hardware.
barndoor101 26th April 2010, 13:49 Quote
so THATS why the latest firmware update bricked fat PS3...
UncertainGod 26th April 2010, 13:55 Quote
Except the firmware update had nothing to do with the 24hour downtime of the fat ps3
javaman 26th April 2010, 14:00 Quote
That means there will be price cuts.......oh wait, its Sony!

would be nice to see the power figures on these. When the slim launched sony had managed to get it even with the 360. Other than that theres not much more for me to care about.
chrisb2e9 26th April 2010, 14:48 Quote
My girlfriends old PS3 just broke about a month ago. She wont buy a new one because she hates the appearance of it and she has been told that the plastic case breaks easily.
If sony if making money on these things then they should either:
lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3
barndoor101 26th April 2010, 14:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by UncertainGod
Except the firmware update had nothing to do with the 24hour downtime of the fat ps3

but it had everything to do with breaking the blu-ray drive in fat PS3s...
Chocobollz 26th April 2010, 15:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
My girlfriends old PS3 just broke about a month ago. She wont buy a new one because she hates the appearance of it and she has been told that the plastic case breaks easily.
If sony if making money on these things then they should either:
lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3

Ok so now we don't buy a console just because its appearance & case quality. Sounds like your girlfriend is prone to marketing trick like those made by Apple (for example :p). I think she should buy an iPad instead!
Krikkit 26th April 2010, 15:13 Quote
Chrisb2's Mrs. has a good point though - a console is a pretty well-used object, it has to look decent (sitting next to your TV it's often in eye-line) and it has to be robust enough to get a few knocks without falling to pieces.
lacuna 26th April 2010, 16:07 Quote
We have both the normal and slim PS3's. The old one is more functional being one of the original 60gb versions and far more aesthetically appealing but the slim on is perfectly acceptable and its definatel quieter. I don't see how the case could get broken through normal use; Im confident that both PS3's could survive 'a few knocks' but I don't see why they should have to. They both use wirless controllers so its not like you ever have to move them, or even risk dragging them off a shelf by pulling the controller cable.
Gunsmith 26th April 2010, 16:18 Quote
I personally dont see what the fuss is, i think the piano black look of the fat is awesome.
rickysio 26th April 2010, 16:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
Chrisb2's Mrs. has a good point though - a console is a pretty well-used object, it has to look decent (sitting next to your TV it's often in eye-line) and it has to be robust enough to get a few knocks without falling to pieces.

You use your console to play golf? I would think that the console would be left alone (except for ejecting CD's etc), like a TV, unless you do use your TV to play baseball. Or something.
mighty_pirate 26th April 2010, 17:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
That means there will be price cuts.......oh wait, its Sony!
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
If sony if making money on these things then they should either:
lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3

Playing devil's advocate, why shouldn't Sony make a profit from the consoles?
It would seem that these changes both save them some money & provide a slightly more stable console for buyers. Surely the news is win-win?
mclean007 26th April 2010, 18:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
Chrisb2's Mrs. has a good point though - a console is a pretty well-used object, it has to look decent (sitting next to your TV it's often in eye-line) and it has to be robust enough to get a few knocks without falling to pieces.
I agree that a console should look decent. The fat PS3 looked miles better than the slim. Good build quality is nice, as it generally means better looks and quieter operation, and good build quality outside is indicative that care has been taken throughout, so better quality inside. But as for taking a few knocks, I don't get that at all - a PS3 is not intended to be a portable device. It contains sensitive electronics and moving components (HDD, Blu-Ray drive), so kicking it about isn't going to do it any good. Why should it be designed to take a few knocks when it's squirrelled away under / beside your TV?
Anfield 26th April 2010, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
My girlfriends old PS3 just broke about a month ago. She wont buy a new one because she hates the appearance of it and she has been told that the plastic case breaks easily.

Ehm? what about the money invested in Games? besides, what are the alternatives? the RRODind not exactly designer piece console going by the name of Xbox 360? or the lacking in the games department Wii?
ZERO <ibis> 26th April 2010, 19:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9

lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3

Yea if this was to ever actually happen it would be the ultimate Truth to humanity that God does exist.
devdevil85 26th April 2010, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by ZERO <ibis>
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb2e9

lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3

Yea if this was to ever actually happen it would be the ultimate Truth to humanity that God does exist.
+1 LOLz
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Originally Posted by mclean007
I agree that a console should look decent. The fat PS3 looked miles better than the slim. Good build quality is nice, as it generally means better looks and quieter operation, and good build quality outside is indicative that care has been taken throughout, so better quality inside. But as for taking a few knocks, I don't get that at all - a PS3 is not intended to be a portable device. It contains sensitive electronics and moving components (HDD, Blu-Ray drive), so kicking it about isn't going to do it any good. Why should it be designed to take a few knocks when it's squirrelled away under / beside your TV?
Couldn't agree more
MarkW7 26th April 2010, 19:40 Quote
Another thing on the PS3 kicks xbox's arse.
Nexxo 26th April 2010, 20:00 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
...lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3
... and the fourth sign of the Apocalypse is...
knuck 26th April 2010, 20:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
I personally dont see what the fuss is, i think the piano black look of the fat is awesome.

yep

fat > skinny


(only when it comes to PS3s though...)
tron 26th April 2010, 20:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ghys
yep

fat > skinny


(only when it comes to PS3s though...)

:)

I prefer -

matte > shiny

(regardless of the product brand name...I used to prefer the look of the XBOX Elite over the original PS3s)
ssj12 26th April 2010, 20:38 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
My girlfriends old PS3 just broke about a month ago. She wont buy a new one because she hates the appearance of it and she has been told that the plastic case breaks easily.
If sony if making money on these things then they should either:
lower price of games
lower price of PS3
make a higher quality PS3

1. that wont happen till microsoft lowers the prices.
2. wont happen.
3. the slim is already made of a pretty good quality. your on a tech site, you should know electronics can break. 99% of the time its not the casing that breaks. its the actual electronic components.
kempez 26th April 2010, 21:09 Quote
About time Sony got round to making money on the PS3.

This may eventually lead to more dropped prices, if they keep getting more and more of a margin on the console. But frankly, why should they? They're not in it to pander to whinging gamers who think they have every right to moan about a console that they then go and buy.

The PS3 Slim is a really nice little console. I don't miss anything that's been taken out of it, I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games and Blu Rays on, not play old PS2 games or install a very constrictive Linux OS on. Mine is incredibly good and solidly built. A lot more so than the Xbox 360 that's for sure.

I'm not a Sony fanboy by a long way (in fact, the Xbox 360 is sitting on the shelf above my PS3 Slim), but do people honestly think Sony would add more expensive build quality to a console when they've just started making money on it? Seriously?

Anyway, let's hope this leads to a drop in prices, could do with another one in the lounge for the missus to play her rock band on :p
chrisb2e9 27th April 2010, 01:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Chocobollz
Ok so now we don't buy a console just because its appearance & case quality. Sounds like your girlfriend is prone to marketing trick like those made by Apple (for example :p). I think she should buy an iPad instead!

She actually is prone to marketing tricks. She needs a new laptop and wanted an apple. I found a samsung laptop with almost identical specs to a mac and compared the price. She now swears to never buy anything from apple.
And she actually uses a win mobile phone and loves it. I don't know what it is about the ps3 that she loves so much, but you have to pick your battles with women.
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
Chrisb2's Mrs. has a good point though - a console is a pretty well-used object, it has to look decent (sitting next to your TV it's often in eye-line) and it has to be robust enough to get a few knocks without falling to pieces.
exactly, or survive a move from one apartment to another, or lending to a friend, or re-arranging your living room, etc.
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Originally Posted by rickysio
You use your console to play golf? I would think that the console would be left alone (except for ejecting CD's etc), like a TV, unless you do use your TV to play baseball. Or something.
I think the examples you use are a little silly. See the response to krikkit above.
She likes to have things perfect. Even one scratch or crack would make it ugly for her.
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Originally Posted by mighty_pirate
Playing devil's advocate, why shouldn't Sony make a profit from the consoles?
It would seem that these changes both save them some money & provide a slightly more stable console for buyers. Surely the news is win-win?
They do deserve to make money, it is a company after all. But they have been losing money on ps3 sales for how long now? Why not just settle for breaking even and give the customer something. A happy customer is a customer who will buy more after all.
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Originally Posted by Anfield
Ehm? what about the money invested in Games? besides, what are the alternatives? the RRODind not exactly designer piece console going by the name of Xbox 360? or the lacking in the games department Wii?
Little to no money in games. Her ex took them all. She actually only wants one for the blue ray component and to play music on the tv. I've been trying to convince her that a new laptop is the way to go but no luck so far. And as I said earlier, you have to pick your battles.
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Originally Posted by ssj12
1. that wont happen till microsoft lowers the prices.
2. wont happen.
3. the slim is already made of a pretty good quality. your on a tech site, you should know electronics can break. 99% of the time its not the casing that breaks. its the actual electronic components.

The last three cell phones I had the case broke. not the internal components.
And she has it in her head that the new cases break easily from speaking with a sony rep. Not exactly a good source if you ask me. Its not like someone is going to call in and complain that their case hasn't broken...
rickysio 27th April 2010, 08:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickysio
You use your console to play golf? I would think that the console would be left alone (except for ejecting CD's etc), like a TV, unless you do use your TV to play baseball. Or something.
I think the examples you use are a little silly. See the response to krikkit above.
She likes to have things perfect. Even one scratch or crack would make it ugly for her.

...

And she has it in her head that the new cases break easily from speaking with a sony rep. Not exactly a good source if you ask me. Its not like someone is going to call in and complain that their case hasn't broken...

I do like having my things perfect - which would explain why they're usually found with some sort of covering over the most easily scratched parts. For example, for the PS3 I would probably have covered the bottom and the top with a layer of plastic. :X

And the Sony rep was probably being cautious - by saying they aren't very solid, in case there are issues the company won't get any flak for units that don't take much abuse. If Microsoft said that all Xbox 360 has a risk of getting RRoD easily, I guess they won't have so much sales, but satisfaction levels would be higher, since those who bought it knew what they would have to deal with, and for those who bought it thinking they know how to deal with it (95% of the time they don't, but bah, that's another rant for another day) but end up complaining would be much lesser.
GiantStickMan 27th April 2010, 10:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by javaman
That means there will be price cuts.......oh wait, its Sony!

I don't understand comments like this. Sony were selling their consoles for a loss and no-one was running around praising them for it. They are a business, they need to make money and now hopefully they will be. Nothing wrong with that.

As for their build quality, i find they are much better built than 360's (not being a fanboy I own both). You'd have to be doing something pretty wrong to damage it though, I move mine around a bit and there's not a scratch on it. Guess it depends how you treat your stuff really.
Jamie 27th April 2010, 10:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by GiantStickMan
I don't understand comments like this. Sony were selling their consoles for a loss and no-one was running around praising them for it. They are a business, they need to make money and now hopefully they will be. Nothing wrong with that.

I totally agree, Sony needs to make a profit so they can invest in new products and fund more games development for the console. Microsoft have been throwing money at developers for exclusivity and Sony just haven't. Companies need to make money.
Eggy 27th April 2010, 13:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Quote:
Originally Posted by GiantStickMan
I don't understand comments like this. Sony were selling their consoles for a loss and no-one was running around praising them for it. They are a business, they need to make money and now hopefully they will be. Nothing wrong with that.

I totally agree, Sony needs to make a profit so they can invest in new products and fund more games development for the console. Microsoft have been throwing money at developers for exclusivity and Sony just haven't. Companies need to make money.
Sony has more internal studios and thus doesn't have to throw money at third party developers in the same way. I think less third party devs will go for exclusivity because both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have a big install base contrary to the situation a few years ago.

But in general the first few years of a consoles lifetime it is sold at a loss because money is made from accessory's and games. When production gets cheaper they reduce the price to sell more units instead of
finally making profit on the hardware.
Farfalho 27th April 2010, 21:46 Quote
I eager to see how the changes will affect the price and if they are worth it. If there's a price cut, might be able to finally get one. Tired of getting to my brother's room so I can play on his.
acsnet83 29th April 2010, 19:09 Quote
Still not sold on the looks of the PS3, granted its got bluray but I don't think it justifies the premium cost.
Elton 29th April 2010, 20:39 Quote
There probably will be a minor price cut soon, they're getting progressively cheaper. Anyone remember the PS2 slim?
DarrenH 13th May 2010, 18:06 Quote
My PS3 broke a month ago - kids using it to charge up their itouch devices and switching off power all the time while still on! But I loved the beauty and I will get a replacement just as soon as I've finished putting together a new PC.

As much as I love PCs, I much prefer games on the console. Everything is there, self-contained and all games have been tested for the same spec..
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