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Switzerland to ban violent games?

Switzerland to ban violent games?

The Swiss Government has passed a proposal to ban any game that rewards players for violence.

The Swiss parliament has reportedly passed a law to ban any violent videogames from going on sale within the country, with further proposals in the pipeline which could see all first-person shooters for adults being banned specifically.

Specifically the law calls for a ban on any videogame which "requires cruel acts of violence against humans and human-like creatures for in-game success", according to GI.biz.

The new law was initially put forward last month and has just been passed into law, though the government is still in the process of deciding the specifics of how the law will operate and what exactly will and won't be allowed. You'd think they'd establish that before that passed the motion though...

While the government is still deciding the specifics terminology and text of the new law though, the Swiss people have a chance to challenge it - provided they can prove enough opposition.

Further motions currently being put forward by other political groups include the Christian Democratic Party's call for a ban of all first-person shooters rated by PEGI as only being suitable for 16+ audiences.

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mastorofpuppetz 23rd March 2010, 12:45 Quote
LMAO. The stupidity is amazing. Amazing how dumb people running countries are. Seriously, lets allow movies that are ten times worse, but games, which have ratings, are getting banned?
Ph4ZeD 23rd March 2010, 12:47 Quote
Reactionary insanity by yet another country. People bash Labour but thank god neither they or the Conservative/Liberal Democrats have ever suggested to do what Australia/Germany/Switzerland do.
mi1ez 23rd March 2010, 12:51 Quote
WTF?
Threefiguremini 23rd March 2010, 12:51 Quote
Censorship much?
Kúsař 23rd March 2010, 12:53 Quote
Don't buy L4D2! Save the zombies! They're human-like creatures too!
Flibblebot 23rd March 2010, 12:55 Quote
They obviously saw Alan Tichmarsh too ;)
crazyceo 23rd March 2010, 13:00 Quote
WOW must sucks to be Swiss!
crazyceo 23rd March 2010, 13:00 Quote
*suck*
rickysio 23rd March 2010, 13:07 Quote
LMAO, ban the Sims because you can make your Sims fight.
yakyb 23rd March 2010, 13:22 Quote
hmm expect torrenting of AVP to increase there
cgthomas 23rd March 2010, 13:22 Quote
What's wrong Switzerland lately? Slowly but steadily banishing everything that has a connection to freedom of expression.
What happened to the neutral, tolerant, banking paradise?

Now they're banning people from expressing their religion, banning certain genres of games, what's next?
I think the next step is going to be releasing all their banks' records for the whole world to see.

F*** Switzerland
crazyceo 23rd March 2010, 13:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgthomas
What's wrong Switzerland lately? Slowly but steadily banishing everything that has a connection to freedom of expression.
What happened to the neutral, tolerant, banking paradise?

Now they're banning people from expressing their religion, banning certain genres of games, what's next?
I think the next step is going to be releasing all their banks' records for the whole world to see.

F*** Switzerland

They are slowly but surely getting pressure from the rest of Europe to open its banks as well. Especially when you have the HMRC in this country paying £600,000 for a client list of UK residents with offshore accounts from an employee of one of their biggest banks. Last week the French authorities sent back to Switzerland a list of clients from all over Europe saying they were just interested in their French account holders. Rumours that they paid for it.

So with this much activity and controversy in Switzerland, you'd think they had better things to deal with than banning games. Hang On! aren't they banning the car there as well?
Manu_Otaku 23rd March 2010, 14:39 Quote
This goes in the line with Venezuela, right now you will not find any violent game on any store whatsoever, since the first days of this month there is a law that puts in prison for 3 to 5 years all the people that sell, buy, distributes and import "violent games", and the Venezuelan Goberment didnt stablished what games are violent or not, the only way to buy a videogame right now is going into the blackmarket, the only games on stores that you can pick are driving games and sports, heck even mario games are not found.

What is funny about this thing is that the govermment doesnt allow any father to buy toys that resemble war weapons, and violent videogames, but any father could buy a real weapon and give it to his son/daughter, because there is not a law in the country that penalizes this action, or the port of arms, oh the irony.

I hope this trend stops now, but it seems that many countrys are taking steps to follow this route, i think all the gamers in the world need to do something before this thing gets out of hands, to the point of destroying this media.
[PUNK] crompers 23rd March 2010, 15:01 Quote
i should imagine switzerland accounts for very little games revenue anyway, but its a real shame for the people who are are in their mid twneties and can't play bad company and anything else for that matter with the rest of the world.
leveller 23rd March 2010, 15:03 Quote
World gone mad.
zimbloggy 23rd March 2010, 15:18 Quote
Socialism, apparently, leads to tyranny.
cgthomas 23rd March 2010, 16:04 Quote
And up goes the teenage pregnancy rate.
Noe that all teeangers won't have bfbc2, they all going
to socialize and have unprotected sex (sine they missed ou
on sex-ed, as they were busy playing).

Believe me it's better to have teenage gamers locked in their
rooms than roaming on the streets.

Do u also want to hear my theory on how banning violent games increase air pollution rates?
Cerberus90 23rd March 2010, 16:19 Quote
What happens with GTA then.

Kill people in GTA and the cops come after you. Although a fair few of the missions are to kill people.

Stupid and pointless law if you ask me. If you can't determine between game and real life, you shouldn't be able to go out and buy a game in the first place, you should be in a mental institute.
Dark~3nergy 23rd March 2010, 16:23 Quote
that will never work, or if it does, it will take 5-6 years before anything happens :S
Furymouse 23rd March 2010, 16:57 Quote
Wouldn't the banning of games that " reward violent behavior " basically ban all games out there? Even Mario takes mushrooms and kills humanoid looking turtles.
Mr T 23rd March 2010, 16:58 Quote
It will be interesting to see what this does the Imports and Piracy.
Fizzban 23rd March 2010, 17:05 Quote
Completely bonkers!
tripwired 23rd March 2010, 18:02 Quote
Swiss Politician #1: How about we allow people to use existing well established game rating systems to assess how violent a game is and then make their own minds up about if they want to purchase it?

Swiss Politician #2: No no no, don't be silly, let's pass a law banning all violent games.

Swiss Politician #1: Aha! Of course! Much better!

..lolwut?
FIBRE+ 23rd March 2010, 19:12 Quote
People will carry on killing each other either way. It's just a cheap politcal stunt, they've probably reduced the spending on mental health at the same time :|

Edit: THATS why we went to Iraq!, they'd obviously been playing Comand And Conquer at number 10
l3v1ck 23rd March 2010, 19:21 Quote
Do computer games cause people to be violent?
No, poor parenting and pier influence does.
Teelzebub 23rd March 2010, 19:30 Quote
Strange I was playing assasins creed last night went out today fell of the roof and stabbed the first person in a uniform I saw:D.
But seriously if some one reenacts something they did in a game they probably need their head examined.
Nexxo 23rd March 2010, 20:00 Quote
"...in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock." --Harry Lime, in The Third Man
Teelzebub 23rd March 2010, 20:14 Quote
Dont forget the lederhosen.
Lightning98 23rd March 2010, 20:57 Quote
I don't see how they can enforce the law? i never did care for countries "banning" computer stuff since its not possible to stop any person getting whatever they want online these days... be it computer games, movies, series, music...

Anyone who wants to pay for a game will use online services such as steam...
Anyone else who doesn't care about copyrights will simply torrent it...

So, the only thing this would actually do is remove the shops selling the game, and in that way removing a certain number of jobs and the corresponding taxes that go with shopping there.
confusis 23rd March 2010, 21:26 Quote
expect steam sales in Switzerland to go through the roof!
Farfalho 23rd March 2010, 22:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripwired
Swedish Politician #1: How about we allow people to use existing well established game rating systems to assess how violent a game is and then make their own minds up about if they want to purchase it?

Swedish Politician #2: No no no, don't be silly, let's pass a law banning all violent games.

Swedish Politician #1: Aha! Of course! Much better!

..lolwut?

+1 ROFL... Beware, Spanish Inquisition might strike again and some more xD
delriogw 23rd March 2010, 22:51 Quote
not much i can add to what's already been said, but i just couldn't let this one go
Quote:
Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Do computer games cause people to be violent?
No, poor parenting and pier influence does.

i'm sorry - what did seaside attractions ever do to anyone?!
cgthomas 23rd March 2010, 23:42 Quote
It's a poor excuse to put the blame on something. Obviously politicians are two-faced word bags. In order to secure more terms and gain more influence they need to tackle problems. One big problem is crime rate and violence. Which is an age-old problem, which will always presist no matter how civilized you'll make humans.

So since humans don't like to hear that bitter truth, it's easier to say that violent games stimulate crime. There you go problem solved, no loger is the politician required to explain why crime rates are high.

It's a shame how Europe no longer stands behind what it's been known for. It's becomming the Middle East
Sebbo 24th March 2010, 00:03 Quote
Mario Kart shall now be banned, because surely throwing turtle shells, banana peels and cartoon bombs at your racing opponents are cruel acts of violence against humans and human-like creatures required for in-game success...

*facepalm*
sp4nky 24th March 2010, 00:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by tripwired
Swedish Politician #1: How about we allow people to use existing well established game rating systems to assess how violent a game is and then make their own minds up about if they want to purchase it?

Swedish Politician #2: No no no, don't be silly, let's pass a law banning all violent games.

Swedish Politician #1: Aha! Of course! Much better!

..lolwut?

Hands up who knows the difference between Sweden and Switzerland..?
Adnoctum 24th March 2010, 03:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph4ZeD
People bash Labour but thank god neither they or the Conservative/Liberal Democrats have ever suggested to do what Australia/Germany/Switzerland do.

Why are you lumping Australia in with Switzerland and Germany? Australia doesn't ban violent video games, or thinking of it.
The only issue with L4D2 is that Australia doesn't have an R18+ rating, so games needing R18+ need to have the violence toned down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by confusis
expect steam sales in Switzerland to go through the roof!
Steam takes your IP and applies appropriate national controls. If you can't buy it retail, you can't buy it on Steam.
As an example I used above, Australian's can buy L4D2, but only the "Low Violence" version.
metarinka 24th March 2010, 06:19 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adnoctum
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ph4ZeD
People bash Labour but thank god neither they or the Conservative/Liberal Democrats have ever suggested to do what Australia/Germany/Switzerland do.

Why are you lumping Australia in with Switzerland and Germany? Australia doesn't ban violent video games, or thinking of it.
The only issue with L4D2 is that Australia doesn't have an R18+ rating, so games needing R18+ need to have the violence toned down.
Quote:
Originally Posted by confusis
expect steam sales in Switzerland to go through the roof!
Steam takes your IP and applies appropriate national controls. If you can't buy it retail, you can't buy it on Steam.
As an example I used above, Australian's can buy L4D2, but only the "Low Violence" version.

couldn't you just proxy your IP thru america or wherever buy the game then play all day? surely it doesn't censor games once they are on the computer? If I take the normal version of l4d2 to austrailia on my laptop what will happen?

I know in germany and a lot of these other countries there was a lot of rhetoric about how violent video games made youth more violent. Cue a school shooting and the victim's parent blaming it on the popular fps of the day and tada.

They tried it in the US, but frankly they don't have enough push and I don't think anyone has demonstrated a STRONG scientifically sound link between violence and video games and transition to real life violence.
BentAnat 24th March 2010, 06:55 Quote
I actually expect them to handle it similarly to the way that the Germans handle it.
Games of such nature may not be advertised, or stand around in shops.
They have to sport CLEAR age restrictions, and may only be sold upon proof of age and over the counter (i.e. not from a shelf where a kid can see them)...
but that's just my guess.
Adnoctum 24th March 2010, 07:44 Quote
To all Australian gamers out there.....

WOO-HOO!!!!

Adnoctum 24th March 2010, 07:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by metarinka
couldn't you just proxy your IP thru america or wherever buy the game then play all day? surely it doesn't censor games once they are on the computer? If I take the normal version of l4d2 to austrailia on my laptop what will happen?

Yes, a proxy will give you the "Full Fat" version of L4D2 to view in the Steam store, but you are forgetting that there are other ways that Valve collects location data - especially the credit card and address details you have to supply at purchase.
The games are still linked to your account, and if your account says you are an Aussie, then you are out of luck, that's the version you're getting.

Can anyone tell me differently?

Edit:
I IMed a friend (he is in Australia) to try out a proxy for me, just for the fun of it.
When he views the L4D2 page, it shows an orange "Low Violence Version" warning.
When viewing the same page through an overseas proxy, the warning isn't there.
BUT.
What happens if he tried to purchase through the proxy and Valve sees that his account is marked Australian and he is paying with an Australian credit cart and contact details?
dogknees 24th March 2010, 09:47 Quote
There are no humans in the games. Only digital representations of some small part of simulated human behaviour. They need to get their terminology right before they can ban anything.
lp1988 24th March 2010, 09:53 Quote
1. by the "Low Violence version"
2. Torrent the original version.
3. play the original version with all the gore you want.

At least that is what I did with Fallout 3 as I got the german version.
pizan 24th March 2010, 12:30 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by delriogw
Quote:
Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Do computer games cause people to be violent?
No, poor parenting and pier influence does.

i'm sorry - what did seaside attractions ever do to anyone?!

They mess with the waves, damn them! Especially in Switzerland their beaches are littered with piers.
B1GBUD 24th March 2010, 13:40 Quote
^^ LOL @ pizan

Haven't the Swiss just lifted a ban on Motorsport recently?
MonkeyTurnip 24th March 2010, 14:16 Quote
so was there no violence before videogames?
ev1lm1nd666 24th March 2010, 15:27 Quote
So if video games make us violent, then Frontlines; Fuel of War must be why we went to war in Iraq, Super Mario is to blame for the U.S. going to Somalia and here's me thinking it was all Marilyn Manson's fault why kids shoot their school mates lol We were much more violent before video gamers came out, they just give us a way of venting our angst toward those bloody foreigners lol
And besides, nothing feels better than pwning a shouty 13 year old yank on MW2 - that puts a smile on my face all day long
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