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Xbox 360 to get USB storage

Xbox 360 to get USB storage

Microsoft is rumoured to be brining USB storage support to the Xbox 360 in the future.

Microsoft is rumoured to be preparing to bring USB storage support to the Xbox 360, according to Joystiq, possibly replacing the prohibitively expensive Xbox HDDs that are currently used for storing game saves and downloadable content.

"Increased market penetration of high-capacity, high throughput USB mass storage devices" led to the implementation, according to Joystiq.

The news comes from some official documentation obtained by the blog, authored by a Microsoft software engineer who states that support will be in place ready for a Spring 2010 rollout.

The documentation also hints that, since USB storage devices may be much larger than the current range of Microsoft HDDs, it may be possible in the future to install full disc-based games onto USB devices. Either way, the Xbox 360 will have an in-built limit of two external storage devices.

Microsoft has yet to offer any official comment on the leaked documentation.

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NuTech 19th March 2010, 12:15 Quote
There is always a bitter after-taste whenever Microsoft announces anything, this time is no different. Any connected storage device will have an arbitrary 16GB limit regardless of the actual storage capacity.
Krikkit 19th March 2010, 12:15 Quote
That might tip me over the edge and tempt me into buying a 360. An arcade is fantastic value, but the cost of storage is hellish.

[edit] That sucks... What a wasted opportunity! I'm sure there are loads of folks who would love to use a 320+GB external HD on their 360 and turn it into a proper media centre.
-Xp- 19th March 2010, 12:25 Quote
What's to stop me from just adding a 2TB hard drive in an external enclosure to an xbox and saving money on the offical hard drives?
do_it_anyway 19th March 2010, 12:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by -Xp-
What's to stop me from just adding a 2TB hard drive in an external enclosure to an xbox and saving money on the offical hard drives?

Because up to now, you CAN'T add an external hard drive. And with this fantastic "update" you can. But you can only use 16GB of it. Even if it is a 1TB drive
NuTech 19th March 2010, 12:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Krikkit
[edit] That sucks... What a wasted opportunity! I'm sure there are loads of folks who would love to use a 320+GB external HD on their 360 and turn it into a proper media centre.
If it's just media you care about, you can absolutely do that now without the system update. The only relevance this 'news' has it that they will allow you to use it for system data, such as profile, demo's, dlc etc.

I'm almost positive this is related to the new 'Xbox slim' rumours, as it seems likely Microsoft will ditch the current HDD form factor (top of console, running from front to back) in favour of an external device. The current HDD attachment dictates the the size of both the depth and height of the console, two things I assume Microsoft will want to reduce for a 'slim' console.
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Originally Posted by -Xp-
What's to stop me from just adding a 2TB hard drive in an external enclosure to an xbox and saving money on the offical hard drives?
It won't allow you to. Currently any externally connected drives can only be used for media purposes, there is no functionality to use them to store system data.
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Originally Posted by do_it_anyway
Because up to now, you CAN'T add an external hard drive. And with this fantastic "update" you can. But you can only use 16GB of it. Even if it is a 1TB drive
You can, but it will only pick up media on that drive.
BentAnat 19th March 2010, 12:29 Quote
the 16GB limit seems odd. Wait and see, i guess.
Artanix 19th March 2010, 12:38 Quote
its a bit odd in general, especially when games like forza want you to install 4gb+ content.
Showerhead 19th March 2010, 12:49 Quote
Will this allow any USB stick? Or will it be a microsoft one at a >100% mark up?
goldstar0011 19th March 2010, 12:53 Quote
It's a start!! Couple of 16GB drivers will be great!

Can we use a USB HUB for more ports?

Even though who uses the space, not even used half my 20GB
Krikkit 19th March 2010, 12:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by NuTech
If it's just media you care about, you can absolutely do that now without the system update. The only relevance this 'news' has it that they will allow you to use it for system data, such as profile, demo's, dlc etc.

I should've said use it for loads of games as well as media, but you're right, there isn't anything stopping us now.
liratheal 19th March 2010, 13:34 Quote
What's to stop you creating several 16gb partitions on a 1TB drive?
xaser04 19th March 2010, 13:48 Quote
I would assume that you will still need to have the disk in the drive to load any of the games from the HD? (Like you have to currently - or at least I do when I want to play TDU).

Whilst on the surface this does seem like a good move, I personally won't have any need for it currently. I am probably usig at most, 25GB of my 120GB elites drive.

My PS3 on the other hand needs a new HD pronto (my current 60gb is filled with top gear and Big bang theory episodes.... (oh and game demos / installs))
xaser04 19th March 2010, 13:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by liratheal
What's to stop you creating several 16gb partitions on a 1TB drive?

I would assume that the console can only 'see' 16gb of the drive regardless of its size or partition setup.

How this restriction is enforced I don't know. No doubt a way will found to circumnavigate the size limit.
mastorofpuppetz 19th March 2010, 14:20 Quote
MS are crap, why limit it to 16 GB? with my Ps3 i can go out and buy any 500 GB drive, works fine. I dont like how MS seems to try and force people to be suckerded into buying retarded accessorires like $100 HD's and wireless adapters.
NuTech 19th March 2010, 14:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
MS are crap, why limit it to 16 GB? with my Ps3 i can go out and buy any 500 GB drive, works fine. I dont like how MS seems to try and force people to be suckerded into buying retarded accessorires like $100 HD's and wireless adapters.
To make money. They're not hiding the fact, they've said so numerous times.

First party accessories are a major money maker in the games industry. By limiting to 16GB it gives people another option but still leaves an incentive to buy one of their official HDDs.
Veles 19th March 2010, 14:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by liratheal
What's to stop you creating several 16gb partitions on a 1TB drive?

Nothing, but it will only allow 2 devices like this at once.

I think this great.

1: Everyone has a USB stick lying around so it's an easy way to transport your profile without having to shell out for a memory card

2: It provides a cheap way for arcade console buyers to have lots of storage space. You probably won't be ripping any games to them but 32Gb is tons of space for save games, demos, arcade games, etc.

Sure it's not as good as it could be, but they didn't have to do this in the first place.

This does seem like it could be going hand in hand with a slim 360. The two memory card ports take up quite a lot of space, by allowing this, they no longer need memory card slots, thus cutting down on space required on a front panel and cutting stuff off the motherboard. I very much doubt it is a complete replacement for the hard drive though, I imagine they want the slim to replace the current models, otherwise they're just adding yet another version. So if this is a complete replacement for the current version, they would need to keep the hard drive support because otherwise why would people want to replace a dead 250Gb console to one that can only take 32?
mikeuk2004 19th March 2010, 15:04 Quote
They probably realised that they are not shifting many if any full 360 games from xbox live. Because one game can be over 4gb and with our tiny drives we are not going to be buying many. I will stick to arcade games from live. I did buy an original xbox game which is almost 4gb and I only have 15GB left on my 60GB drive. Im leaving my space for game addons and small arcade games.
13eightyfour 19th March 2010, 16:06 Quote
Ive got a 250Gb Elite, the main reason was because of the lack of space MS 'gives' to us, The PS3 manages perfectly well with the HD being changed and i think its a shame MS has missed the boat with this, it could have been the answer to a problem that niggles so many xbox owners
xaser04 19th March 2010, 16:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
They probably realised that they are not shifting many if any full 360 games from xbox live. Because one game can be over 4gb and with our tiny drives we are not going to be buying many.

I would imagine the reason why they wouldn't be selling many xbox 360 games on live is due to the price rather than anything else.
talladega 20th March 2010, 01:10 Quote
It WOULD be great if Micro$oft wasn't the one making the X360, because then there wouldn't be a retarded 16GB limit. That is just totally retarded. So you can have two of these for up to 32GB of extra storage. [sarcasm]Wow that is ALOT of games you can install.[/sarcasm]

And besides, with installing games on USB storage your load speeds are not going to improve over running off the disc very much at all if any. They need to take a look at what Sony is doing and copy them, with the hard drive, like they usually do.
LordPyrinc 20th March 2010, 03:03 Quote
I'm a bit surprised that Microsoft is still milking the XBox 360. Isn't it about time for a new round of consoles?
Warrior24_7 20th March 2010, 08:51 Quote
No matter what M$ says to the media, they were getting internal pressure from developers (Capcom in particular) to do something about the 360's storage. Especially since the PS3's Blu-Ray can store 50gb of data on a single disc and a DVD can store about 9gb! Sony's GoW 3 weighed in at about 35gb! The devs want to make bigger games and as it stands now, the 360 needs multiple discs, and some content was even cut from a game because lack of storage! It's clear Sony had a plan when it designed and launched the PS3, M$ didn't and it's starting to show. Since M$ refuses to adopt Blu-Ray! This is the result in the interim, USBs.
Paradigm Shifter 20th March 2010, 11:38 Quote
There doesn't seem to be much point to this...? some of the 360 RPGs wouldn't even fit in 16GB... Blue Dragon comes on 4DVDs or something crazy like that!
Warrior24_7 20th March 2010, 12:28 Quote
You're right! I forgot about BlueDragon. It's an old game too. But it's the only option they have right now? What else is there? It seems the 360 wasn't designed to except new capabilities.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235556

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=238341

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=235873
Veles 20th March 2010, 17:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
Sony's GoW 3 weighed in at about 35gb

That's a bit misleading, a lot of the data on a PS3 is repeated making the size of the data on the disk "artificially" higher, if you look at PS3 versions and Xbox versions of a game, the PS3 version will be taking up a lot more space on disk, even though it's exactly the same game.
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Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
It's clear Sony had a plan when it designed and launched the PS3, M$ didn't and it's starting to show. Since M$ refuses to adopt Blu-Ray! This is the result in the interim, USBs.

And here it's basically pot calling kettle black. MS didn't have a plan? What about Sony? PSN was a shambles at release, their emulation backwards compatibility wasn't ready forcing them to make the initial consoles with hardware BC, then later they removed BC entirely because they weren't selling enough PS3 games.

MS refuses to adopt BR, that seems logical to me. When the 360 was out, BR, HDMI, HD-DVD, none of those were released, not even the specifications finalised. As for Sony's plan it was also not to improve gaming with the release of the PS3 with BR support. Sony's main purpose with BR in the PS3 was to make BR the winning format of the format war.

I don't think releasing a BR box for the 360 would really improve the console at all, think about it, if they released a BR box and then allowed developers to make games on them, then lots of people would be forced to buy an expensive peripheral to be able to play new games. Then we'd get another thread like this with people moaning about how M$ is all about the money with their expensive peripherals that are all but required.
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Originally Posted by talladega
It WOULD be great if Micro$oft wasn't the one making the X360, because then there wouldn't be a retarded 16GB limit. That is just totally retarded. So you can have two of these for up to 32GB of extra storage. [sarcasm]Wow that is ALOT of games you can install.[/sarcasm]

I don't really see your problem, if someone came up to you on the street and gave you £10 would you be all up in their face about how little you can buy with £10?
talladega 20th March 2010, 19:33 Quote
is microsoft giving you a hard drive? no. so your comparison makes no sense.


MS are being jerks like always.
Rkiver 20th March 2010, 20:31 Quote
Well I just got a new Xbox with a 250gig hard drive with it, but my Xbox is for gaming not media. The PS3 is my media playback machine as it supports more formats for playback.

As for Microsoft keeping the limit at 16gb, kinda obvious why isn't it?
Veles 21st March 2010, 01:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
is microsoft giving you a hard drive? no. so your comparison makes no sense.


MS are being jerks like always.

How are they being jerks by giving us something? What you you prefer? No USB stoarage support or limited USB storage support (which is limited to being more than the original HDD had which was still more than adequate for save games, demos and arcade games).
talladega 21st March 2010, 03:31 Quote
16GB is hardly useful at all.
Warrior24_7 21st March 2010, 09:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by Veles
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Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
Sony's GoW 3 weighed in at about 35gb

That's a bit misleading, a lot of the data on a PS3 is repeated making the size of the data on the disk "artificially" higher, if you look at PS3 versions and Xbox versions of a game, the PS3 version will be taking up a lot more space on disk, even though it's exactly the same game.
35gb is still 35gb! Thats alot of data on one disc! Thats better than having to multiple discs like many PC games. It's also better than having content cut from "your" version of the game because the devs can't fit it in.
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Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
It's clear Sony had a plan when it designed and launched the PS3, M$ didn't and it's starting to show. Since M$ refuses to adopt Blu-Ray! This is the result in the interim, USBs.
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And here it's basically pot calling kettle black. MS didn't have a plan? What about Sony? PSN was a shambles at release, their emulation backwards compatibility wasn't ready forcing them to make the initial consoles with hardware BC, then later they removed BC entirely because they weren't selling enough PS3 games.
M$'s backward compatability was also called into question for a while as many games didn't work when they were suppose to.
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MS refuses to adopt BR, that seems logical to me. When the 360 was out, BR, HDMI, HD-DVD, none of those were released, not even the specifications finalised. As for Sony's plan it was also not to improve gaming with the release of the PS3 with BR support. Sony's main purpose with BR in the PS3 was to make BR the winning format of the format war.
Thats misleading right there. M$ made some key decisions when desiging the 360. They decided to go with DVDs. Things that they didn't include then, they ended up adding later, like HDMI, HDDVD, and now USB. They wanted to see who won the format war before deciding on what to adopt. HD-DVD got it's ass kicked. They know that they need more storage but just don't want to go to Sony for it. To me, Sony had a better plan, and right now it's starting to show.
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I don't think releasing a BR box for the 360 would really improve the console at all, think about it, if they released a BR box and then allowed developers to make games on them, then lots of people would be forced to buy an expensive peripheral to be able to play new games. Then we'd get another thread like this with people moaning about how M$ is all about the money with their expensive peripherals that are all but required.

I don't either, but thats why you design a better box in the beginning so you don't to add things later and charge people more money for them. I like the 360, own one, and support M$, but I believe both consoles have their strengths and weakness. I believe that the PS3 is a better designed box than the 360. Both have good games, Xbox live is a better service than PSN. I also don't want multiple discs or lost content either.
mastorofpuppetz 21st March 2010, 15:07 Quote
it was only a matter of time before the ms FANBOY strolled in, lol. The PS3 does seem like it had a future plan, MS, as is well documented, were so bent on beating and rushing Sony to the market, resulting in rushing out a faukty console and other problems like the storage issues. Amazes me the 360 is still even cimpetiting with the PS3 with its large amount of AAA exclusives the last 2 years, bluray and overall better hardware design. Blame the americans. Everywhere else the PS3 is outselling the 360 2:1.
DragunovHUN 21st March 2010, 15:42 Quote
Rrrright.
Nikumba 21st March 2010, 18:02 Quote
You will probably fine the 16Gb limit, is a limit of the FAT file system, rather than any other reason
riggs 21st March 2010, 18:26 Quote
Eh? I don't get it...why is there a 16GB limit?

As if those stupid proprietary HDDs weren't enough they're now 'making up for it' with external storage, limited to 16GB?

Yeah, way to go Microsoft! Unfortunately 2 wrongs really don't make a right.
Stompy 21st March 2010, 21:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
it was only a matter of time before the ms FANBOY strolled in, lol. The PS3 does seem like it had a future plan, MS, as is well documented, were so bent on beating and rushing Sony to the market, resulting in rushing out a faukty console and other problems like the storage issues. Amazes me the 360 is still even cimpetiting with the PS3 with its large amount of AAA exclusives the last 2 years, bluray and overall better hardware design. Blame the americans. Everywhere else the PS3 is outselling the 360 2:1.
After that post I don't think you really have the right to call anyone a fanboy :p
talladega 22nd March 2010, 05:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by Stompy
After that post I don't think you really have the right to call anyone a fanboy :p
+1
veato 22nd March 2010, 09:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by mastorofpuppetz
it was only a matter of time before the ms FANBOY strolled in

Is this not Xbox article? What did you expect?
mastorofpuppetz 22nd March 2010, 19:36 Quote
No one with a straight face cannot tell me the 360 is better designed then the PS3, come on, i own a PS3, 360 and a gaming rig, lets be real, that does not make me a fanboy, its just the way it is. What I said is the truth. Not allowed to say one console has strengths over the other without being a fanboy? A little childish is it not? BAd support for Peripherals, no support USb Hard Drives, Flimsy pull out DVD tray, no Wireless, we all know about the rrod issues. The HDMI port and AV cable ports are too close together, so if yuo hooked up a 360 to a monitor you had to break off the plastic to get both connections to fit for sound. It is what it is.
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